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FrankieKhainor
12-07-2010, 18:22
I was wondering, do you think tau have ways of entertaining themselves? There are no tau novels, and nothing about it in the codex, so I was wondering what people thought they would have. I'm guessing they have music, therefore an iPod equivalent, probably with apps etc, although I'm guessing they're implants that transmit it to your brain. Do they have games like football, or chess?

Furthermore, do tau have teenagers like us. "But dad, I want to be a fire warrior!" "No, son, you must continue in the air caste. You can fly some fire warriors around maybe!" "It's not fair!" He stomps of onto the pulsing blue disc, which floats up to his recreational area.

Any ideas?

TheOmiTsuki
12-07-2010, 18:25
I dont have an answer but there is a novel about the tau.

http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Warrior-Warhammer-40-000/dp/1844160106#reader_1844160106


I have never read it but there is at least one.

Lord Damocles
12-07-2010, 18:32
do you think tau have ways of entertaining themselves?
No. There is only war. Unless the Tau find war entertaining, there is no entertainment. Otherwise it would be, 'In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future there is only War (and Entertainment)'.



Seriously though, Fire Warrior (the game) features Tau personal communicator thingies (opening cutscene) and a holographic theatre (aboard the Tau ship (complete with 'no personal communicator thingies' sign)).
One of the White Dwarf articles when the 3rd ed. Tau codex was released featured a Tau news team entrenched with the Fire cast on the front line.

Tak
12-07-2010, 18:59
I see the Tau as being quite a cultured lot really so I'm guessing that they have an equivalent for the good old telly. And I'm convinced that they have their version of Coronation Street and Top Gear...oh, and Casualty too. :)

DoombringerATT
12-07-2010, 19:14
It is unclear how much "off time" Tau have, but they certainly have ways of entertaining themselves and mentally decompressing after a particularly stressful day.

Tau are able to watch media broadcasts or "vids" in the form of the Por'hui, which is suggested by Fire Warrior to broadcast propaganda, news, and documentaries.

Tau also likely spend a lot of time in meditation, studying and contemplating the tenets of the Tau'va.

Really, most forms of entertainment that Tau have would likely have something to do with bettering themselves or being productive; Battle Sims for the Shas, Flight Sims for the Kor, Poetry/Writing for the Por, Thinking Games or Puzzles for the Fio, etc... There is precedent for exceptions, though.

A Tau bar, of all possible establishments, features in the 3e Tau Codex (a Rogue Trader speaks of a gossiping Por'ui who frequented it and couldn't hold his drink).

This "non-productive" pastime has sparked a lot of fan-made stuff, too.

Based on the usage of stimulants among members of the military, the topic of recreational drugs (http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10096) with short-lasting effects has also been suggested.

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In regard to the question about Shas "teenagers", that gets a resounding no.

As per Fire Warrior, Tau are taken from their parents at a very young age and raised in creches, where they are indoctrinated into the ways of the Tau'va, schooled, and trained in their occupational specialty among large groups of peers - supporting teamwork and camaraderie.

The more impetuous 'younglings', as they were called, would probably be given time to naturally mature before being reevaluated for being disobedient or whiny, and then thrown into the Mental Reconditioning facilities for further "indoctrination". ;)

ForgottenLore
12-07-2010, 21:14
I have always thought Tau entertainment would try to be inclusive, emphasizing teamwork and group goals rather than performed by individuals to emphasize the whole, needs of the many outweight...thing. Also, entertainment would probably vary depending on caste.

So Shas would tend to participate in team sports rather than activities for an individual.
Por would maybe even go in for role playing games.
Tau musicians (which I am guessing would tend to be Por) would play in orchestras rather than solos

That sort of thing.

Commander Ray-Ban
12-07-2010, 21:22
NO. Tau live lives of misery and despair, with no time for such pleasantries as being teenagers or listening to music. They live lives of absolute grimdark and pain.

:D

Lord Zarkov
12-07-2010, 21:33
NO. Tau live lives of misery and despair, with no time for such pleasantries as being teenagers or listening to music. They live lives of absolute grimdark and pain.

:D
...So Teaches the Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind, whom to be a loyal servant of is the only joy.

:p

ForgottenLore
12-07-2010, 22:53
Trust the Emperor, the Emperor is your friend and has only the well being of all Hive Alpha Complex citizens at heart.

spetswalshe
13-07-2010, 00:08
Hive Alpha Complex Sublevel 47c, designated 'Recreation', is now open. Citizens are encouraged to visit the 'Emperor's Bounty' protonutrient dispensary, the 'Emperor Protects' custom work overall automat and flak panel procurement center, and the 'Light of the Emperor' pictoshrine, currently featuring the short satirical informovid 'Oh My Mechadendrites!', which documents the strange and mystical world of the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Failure to do so will engender severe consequences.

Polaria
13-07-2010, 06:39
All you need to know about Tau culture and arts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_korea#Culture_and_arts

Clockwork-Knight
13-07-2010, 08:50
Funny, I thought that you actually described the Imperium.

KingDeath
13-07-2010, 12:00
As everyone knows the vile Tau xeno-barbarians enjoy nothing more than to corrupt and torture those who are not strong enough to resist the ungodly temptations of freedom, days without backbreaking work, and a life expectancy of more than 30 years.

Polaria
13-07-2010, 12:09
Funny, I thought that you actually described the Imperium.

No, this is Imperium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Culture

The difference between far right dictatorship and far left dictatorship is subtle, but basically boils down to "You are heretic xenos. You die." vs. "You are heretic xenos. You must join us or die."

FrankieKhainor
13-07-2010, 14:48
Thanks for everyone's point of view on whether the tau are Nazis etc, but that isn't the focus of the thread!

@doombringeratt: that was a joke.

FrankieKhainor
13-07-2010, 14:49
No, this is Imperium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Culture

The difference between far right dictatorship and far left dictatorship is subtle, but basically boils down to "You are heretic xenos. You die." vs. "You are heretic xenos. You must join us or die."

Yes, but that's the difference between life and death. I'd much prefer to be invaded by tau than imperium. In any case, the enemies of the greater good simply 'have not been enlightened yet'. Or something appropriately similar. And anyway, the tau sometimes trade with rogue but not chaotic imperium, so it isn't join or die, it's join, be friends, or die.

DoombringerATT
13-07-2010, 17:17
The joke must've been lost on me, then...

You have to understand, I've gotten some pretty ridiculous questions over the past five years - the question about Shas teenagers seemed pretty legit in comparison. ;)

FrankieKhainor
13-07-2010, 20:05
Ok. I'm guessing as a veteran of warseer (or should I say chaplain), you're used to stupid questions etc! BTW I'm currently reading fire warrior and the main character does meet his father, albeit for the first time (I think). Still, If anyone good at drawing is reading this thread, it'd be cool if they could draw it! (Hint Hint!)

DoombringerATT
13-07-2010, 21:33
Well, admittedly, I spend most of my time over at Advanced Tau Tactica (http://www.advancedtautactica.com/) (my namesake), where background questions tend to be quite in-depth and some stretch the bounds of necessity a little bit, but it's a very good resource for Tau background if you're interested.

I'd advise you to spend some time lurking there, reading through the Library, to get a handle on the feel of the forums and learn as much as you can before posting. They're a little bit different than your "run of the mill" message board.

In Fire Warrior, La'Kais knew his father, but wasn't raised by him. His father only visited him a handful of times during La'Kais' childhood (a figure even La'Kais recognizes as being not very often, even for the Shas), but given the expansionist nature of the Empire, with Tau expeditions and fleets sent out constantly to explore, I can't imagine Shas or Kor younglings (being the least populous of the four elemental Castes) see their parents on a constant basis...

Fio and Por probably have it a little easier.

MetalGecko23
14-07-2010, 09:22
Fio and Por probably have it a little easier.
In Fire Warrior IIRC La'Kais was escorting a Por'ui or something. An the Por'ui was buying a whole bunch of Kroot merchandise to take back to his home planet with the idea of creating a new fashion tread and making fat lewt.

So the Tau care about fashion it seems.

FrankieKhainor
14-07-2010, 10:45
Doombringer: Yeah, I've spent some time on ATT - did you see that tau titan? It was 4 legged but I can't remember who made it?

FrankieKhainor
14-07-2010, 17:52
I see the Tau as being quite a cultured lot really so I'm guessing that they have an equivalent for the good old telly. And I'm convinced that they have their version of Coronation Street and Top Gear...oh, and Casualty too. :)

"And now, the new Angelfish VR-8. We're going to test it against the Clownfish FT-6. They're both fast - they can go up to 400 tor’leks a dec, and can both hover up to 80 tor’leks! But, which is more comfortable, and which can go the fastest around our sim-track?"

DoombringerATT
14-07-2010, 18:02
Frankie, that post about La'Kais should probably be wrapped in spoiler tags...

I know people are still out there who haven't read the novel, but your one line pretty much explains the entirety of the book's bloodshed and the reason why La'Kais was able to wipe out so many Guard and Astartes on his own; the daemon Tarkh'ax was enabling him to do so the entire time, subtly manipulating the Tau and others around him in order to maximize bloodshed for his imminent release from the Eldar prison, and poisoning the Tau's mind with thoughts and suggestions of Chaos.

Putting such a quote in your signature to essentially ruin the surprise of the novel for everybody just seems, well... Inconsiderate, at best... I'd recommend removing it for the sake of those who are just entering the hobby and haven't yet read Fire Warrior.

And yes, I've seen the Tau Titan... I hate the thought of it.

Don't get me wrong, Warhound made an amazing model and displayed a hell of a lot of skill in crafting it, but I can't wrap my head around the Tau using something like that, and I'd prefer to forget about it altogether in order to retain my sanity. ;)

FrankieKhainor
14-07-2010, 20:20
Ooh... whoops! I never thought of that. It just sounded cool at the time. Time to go on signature change quest! Sorry if I spoilt it for anyone!

FrankieKhainor
14-07-2010, 20:26
I changed it now Doombringer! I figured out how to do spoilers! This is a new step in my Warseer career! Anyway, I've stopped it from being ruined!

Do tau have an equivalent to warhammer? Does the imperium have one? Yes, but the SM and Guard would be hugely better than all the rest, and playing as anything else is heretical.

Tau would probably have made up races, and each model would be an individual holographic thing, so it would cost loads.
Look at me! Asking if a race in a made up world has made up people! I think i'm crazy!

ForgottenLore
15-07-2010, 00:42
Well. you have managed to hide the line from Fire Warrior effectively, but I have to say that the huge blue box on the black background of my screen is massively distracting.

I would expect Fire Caste to play wargames quite frequently, especially once they hit 'Vre rank. Probably quite complicated ones that border on genuine war simulations rather than games.

DoombringerATT
15-07-2010, 03:02
Yeah, I didn't mean that you should cover up the text in your signature, you should remove it altogether. The giant blue box in every one of your posts is distracting and annoying.

And you still didn't Spoiler tag the original text from your original post...

I don't even know what relevance it had to the thread anyway - why mention it?

*sigh*

Anyway, I think this thread has about run its course...

Polaria
15-07-2010, 05:37
Thanks for everyone's point of view on whether the tau are Nazis etc, but that isn't the focus of the thread!


No, Tau are mind-washing communists... and, it is relevant to the thread because the question is about Tau entertainment. Considering that Tau are highly religious society (or rather, believe in their own philosophy and manifest destiny with religious zeal) anything which conflicts with the philosophy is most probably forbidden.

Castes and their lot in life is one of these subjects (considering the original question). Tau empire is fascist in the sense that it does not believe in freedom of individual in consideration of career or education. The government decides what education each member gets and where he serves. Questioning this is questioning the Greater Good going before individual wants and will earn you a ticket into re-education.

Now there is one more thing to consider: Etherals have shown to have pretty near total control over the Tau individuals of other castes. This means that, unlike in human fascist systems, the Ethereals can actually give more liberties to individuals since they know that if any individual gets too much out of line they can "override" his free will at any given time.

The tragedy of Tau empire does not manifest in third reich -like mass executions of dissidents (unless they are aliens to Tau ofc) but rather in the fact that everything looks good and liberal, almost too good, on the surface but if anyone ever steps out of line a soft-spoken Ethereal will show up on his door and lead him away for re-education and new assignment. Probably he'll show up in another town or colony, changed but productive member of society again.

DoombringerATT
15-07-2010, 08:13
Uh, Polaria, care to remind everyone how the Tau's political system is relevant to their entertainment, like you claim?

And while some of your argument has merit, it borders on the biased side of things. Put simply, it's not a very objective viewpoint. Let's set aside all this "Hate the Xenos" stuff for a second and get right down to it;

Tau and Communism. Again.

1) The Tau aren't Communists (http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?p=80770#p80770). Like, at all.

They are Collectivist Utilitarians in the broadest sense, but the essay linked goes deeper. In the end, you can't juxtapose any human form of government on the Tau, though we can make similarities (such as your fascism, "in the sense of..." comment) that help explain how the Tau operate.

Communism is not one of those generalizations. There is hardly a link at all, beyond the Tau's collectivist ideology and the masses' very skewed definition of what communism actually is...

Ethereal Rulers

2) There is literally nothing to suggest that Ethereals "toy" with the individual freedoms of Tau in their society, despite having the power to on the surface. In fact, the Ethereals have the same rank structure and oversight as the elemental Castes, but being a "ruling class" who probably won't wish to have their authority publicly undermined, matters of censure or disagreement are handled internally (read: Honor Blade duels).

On the topic of ruling the Empire, they are "rulers" in the sense that they broadly define an ideological objective for the Empire to work toward, and have the "final say" in matters where the elemental castes cannot come to a consensus on their own (a drawback to having an even number of votes; four...). Beyond being a tiebreaker for tau chia'gors, the Empire is largely autonomous, governed by the elemental caste councils presiding over each Sept and operating within the guidelines and toward the path set forth by the Aun.

Caste Society and Intent

3) The Caste system was imposed as a means to bring the warring tribes together. While it may not make sense from a human ethical or moral standpoint, these are alien creatures that, by and large, truly understand the need for personal sacrifice to see their race prosper.

Their utilitarianism reinforces this point. Thousands of years of controlled breeding and eugenics has divided the Castes into distinct sub-species that are highly specialized for their role. The ethos of "using the right tool for the right job", and having each individual in a place to do the most good for the greatest amount of people (tau, in this case...).

Beyond their professional training, tau are free to explore and learn about whatever they wish. Fire Warrior has a Shas, aptly named Fio'shas, with an affinity for technology and invention. He practiced and honed these skills in his 'off-time' and used them to his advantage on combat ops.

Evidence even suggests that Tau can voice their political dissent, as long as they don't act on it. Why else would there have been a 'Farsight Schism', where the Fire Caste was literally divided between those who concurred with Farsight's actions and those who disagreed?

Before Farsight is even brought up as an example of Tau acting out on their dissent, the Codex has made this clear that Farsight is a unique anomaly in the Empire's thousands of years of history, and despite being left bitter at Shas'ar'tol's refusal to reinforce against Waaagh Irontoof, his intentions are still completely unknown as he's been out of contact with Empire forces for two-hundred and fifty years. He may still be operating under the teachings of the Greater Good, despite having broken the Aun decree that the Damocles Gulf was off-limits.

Reeducation Facilities and Intent

4) While evidence exists that states the Tau usage of reeducation facilities, there isn't anything to suggest that they are used to specifically target and re-indoctrinate political activists.

In fact, the Tau in Fire Warrior that mentioned their use was comparing them to Imperial prison complexes. The comparison was that those few Tau who were socially incompatible with the rest of society (the kind you'd find in an Imperial prison for murder, rape, theft, etc., or suffering from some kind of mental illness) would find themselves in such a 'reeducation facility' undergoing treatment for a smooth integration back into society.

Taking the sinister spin on things is relatively unfounded. Leading Tau away for merely voicing their individual opinions is ludicrous.

As Aun'el Ko'vash and Shas'el Lusha said, in Fire Warrior, "Even the broken sword may still cut", in the context that even those Tau who struggle to cope with the idea of the Tau'va (like Shas'la Kais at the time) are still useful in their own ways.

FrankieKhainor
15-07-2010, 10:00
I bow to the wishes of Doombringer....

And, as Doombringer said again, this thread has run it's course regarding the actual subject, so I declare it... Closed.