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cornonthecob
19-07-2010, 09:08
Do they exist ? What are they used for ?

Petay1985
19-07-2010, 09:16
Yes and i would imagine pretty much the same thing they are used for now! Freight, Passengers, etc...

There is mention of a train in the Rynns world book, i think, and there is a train modelled in the Apocalypse book.

qsd
19-07-2010, 09:23
Yes
They're used for the same purposes as real trains, but with the continued usage of armored trains. (the apocalypse book has an example of an Imperial engine)
They would probably be used by Imperials, Chaos, and Orks. The others have anti grav, warp power, or other things that negate the need for them.

Askil the Undecided
19-07-2010, 10:49
in 40k almost everything that exists now exists. Just not always in the way you expect.

That said, what could trains be used for but moving things from one pace to another?

Petay1985
19-07-2010, 10:56
...They would probably be used by Imperials, Chaos, and Orks. The others have anti grav, warp power, or other things that negate the need for them.

i would speculate that Tau probable have trains, i seem to recall a monorail type affair being described or pictured in the fire warrior game/book repsectively. but i could be very wrong!

aa.logan
19-07-2010, 11:04
Eisenhorn travels on a luxury trans-alpine express-style train in one of the books (The third one?)

Corax
19-07-2010, 11:56
There are mag-lev trains on Tarsis Ultra in Warriors of Ultramar. They're like regular trains here on present day earth.

ghostline
19-07-2010, 12:07
Thomas the Train is an example of a Chaos Train.

Sai-Lauren
19-07-2010, 12:28
Necropolis - There's a subway-type system in Vervunhive.
Straight Silver - The Tanith take a train to get them near the front.

There's also a odd tram/elevator system in Faith and Fire.

And there's something like an A-G subway system on Alaitoc in Path of the Warrior (a train doesn't necessarily need rails - just a route to follow and a number of carriages ;)).

Basically, it's the best way to get mass goods from manufacturing site to wherever they're taken off world - be it food, ore, tanks or Imperial Guardsmen.

Lord Damocles
19-07-2010, 16:51
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257376&highlight=trains

ForgottenLore
19-07-2010, 16:55
Yes, the original Tau codex described monorails in the Tau city/training complex.

I would expect Tau to have high speed mag lev trains on their developed worlds.

Trains would be horribly vulnerable in combat zones though because of the tracks, that is probably why you don't hear about them too often.

Eumerin
19-07-2010, 17:56
Squats in Epic were supposed to have 'Land Trains'. I don't remember whether they ever got statted out or not, though.

hs5ias
19-07-2010, 18:25
Squat land trains had full rules and models. In current post-Squat 40K you could just say the Adeptus Mechanicus operates such things.

During WWI and WWII some of the biggest artillery pieces were moved on train tracks. Such monsters were really rendered obsolete by aircraft. In mad 40K though just because they are ludicrous and unrealistic is no reason not to include them!

One way train-borne weapons could be effective is as a way of shifting orbital defence weapons into and out of cover and around the planet. In the defence of Okinawa by the Japanese in WWII some Jap heavy artillery pieces were emplaced on tracks in caves. They would be loaded, run out of the cave on the tracks, fired, and then run back in again. This made them nearly impossible to hit.

In 40K skyscraper-sized defence lasers could be mounted on tracks which run between bunkers, silos and caves, and far underneath the ground. They are shifted into firing position, then moved on before counter-battery fire can hit them back. Rails could move such weapons far faster, easier and cheaper than mounting them on tracks.

negZero
19-07-2010, 19:33
Imperial Armour Vraks series mention trains used to move troops and supplies to the front line.

Idaan
19-07-2010, 19:49
See the attached .pdf accompanying Cities of Death release to see a relatively modern train put to use in a Hive City.

Also, wasn't there an evil Chaos Choo-choo in one of the Ultramarines books?:rolleyes:

Green-is-best
19-07-2010, 20:24
Thomas the Train is an example of a Chaos Train.

Thread winner. Thomas the Tank-engine: Daemon Engine of Tzeentch.

ckukner
19-07-2010, 23:26
I remember an Ork attack on a train in the Last Chancers novels. But can be mistaken.

Hunger
20-07-2010, 00:01
Thread winner. Thomas the Tank-engine: Daemon Engine of Tzeentch.

I disagree - Annabelle and Clarabelle were often chained to Thomas, suggesting they are Daemon Engines of Slaanesh.

Corax
20-07-2010, 06:30
Also, wasn't there an evil Chaos Choo-choo in one of the Ultramarines books?:rolleyes:

That would be the Omphalos Daemonium (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Omphalos_Daemonium). It actually sounds less cute and more evil that you might think; a bit like Thomas the tank-engine on a bad acid trip. :D

Gorbad Ironclaw
20-07-2010, 07:34
Do they exist ? What are they used for ?

Actually they do not. It's a little known fact but the Emperor had a phobia towards trains and as such have banned them across the entire Galaxy. Any sort of trains or rail networks are top priority targets in any Imperial invasion. Originally it was in case the Emperor should arrive to personally supervise the campaign and seeing him curled up in a ball crying is just too embarrassing, but in the past 10.000 years no one have abolished that rule and so they remain top priority targets.

Sai-Lauren
20-07-2010, 09:05
One way train-borne weapons could be effective is as a way of shifting orbital defence weapons into and out of cover and around the planet. In the defence of Okinawa by the Japanese in WWII some Jap heavy artillery pieces were emplaced on tracks in caves. They would be loaded, run out of the cave on the tracks, fired, and then run back in again. This made them nearly impossible to hit.

In 40K skyscraper-sized defence lasers could be mounted on tracks which run between bunkers, silos and caves, and far underneath the ground. They are shifted into firing position, then moved on before counter-battery fire can hit them back. Rails could move such weapons far faster, easier and cheaper than mounting them on tracks.

IIRC, the first of Spike Milligan's war memoirs (when he's in training in Bexhill) mentions an AA emplacement that was on a flat bed railway truck on some narrow gauge railway on the southcoast.

In 40k, such things would probably be the purview of the PDFs - specialised carriages and trucks stored away (possibly in side tunnels or secure areas of marshalling yards and depots), whilst the engines would almost certainly have some armouring integral to their design, but would also have mounting points for the rest of it so they could be protected very quickly.

I'd say that most, if not all of the orbital defence installations would have to be fixed though (garrisoned, heavily shielded and armoured) - the energy and manpower requirements would preclude them from being mobile like that. Plus rail and road networks would be priority targets to impede troop movements (and in WW2, some railway tunnels were shut down and turned into factories churning out war materiel because they were nearly impossible to destroy through bombing, and a decent PDF (they can't all be incompetent :)) would probably have supply dumps, air raid shelters, medical and refugee centres and manufacturing facilities hidden away in them for that very reason).

Malice313
20-07-2010, 12:43
One of the benefits of rail is that it can take heavier loads than road. So I don't think it will ever truly be redundant.

jdunn
20-07-2010, 14:41
Theres a train thingy in the Graham Mcneal Ultramarines Omnibus. ITs something like the Omphalos Daemonium? idk the name and purpose of it escapes me.

MagosHereticus
20-07-2010, 15:44
id imagine that hives would have to use fixed rail vehicles to facilitate the movement of goods and people around the hive, as moving hive produce off world would probably be quite silly if everything had to be carried up hundreds of flights of stars to the starports

Sai-Lauren
20-07-2010, 16:26
id imagine that hives would have to use fixed rail vehicles to facilitate the movement of goods and people around the hive, as moving hive produce off world would probably be quite silly if everything had to be carried up hundreds of flights of stars to the starports
Agreed - probably similar to the rack and pinion systems on mountain railways (or even those on the first climb of a roller coaster), that either go vertical as required, or have something like a paternoster where the carriages load onto platforms that carry them to another level within the hive (effectively a vertical marshalling yard).

Either that, or a massive version of the Star Trek turbolifts - the factory effectively loads the "elevator carriage" up with their goods in the factories own loading dock (or attaches the mechanism to a container), then alert the systems controllers to move it onto the track system and let it shift itself horizontally and vertically around other traffic, blockages and so on through the shafts and tunnels until it gets to the port where the dock crews unload it onto a waiting shuttle or an interface-capable freighter.

Raellos
20-07-2010, 16:54
IIRC, the first of Spike Milligan's war memoirs (when he's in training in Bexhill) mentions an AA emplacement that was on a flat bed railway truck on some narrow gauge railway on the southcoast.

I really want to read those.

There's a photo of an armoured train on the miniature Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway down the page:

http://www.rhdr.org.uk/pages/history.html

The Highlander
20-07-2010, 20:05
One way train-borne weapons could be effective is as a way of shifting orbital defence weapons into and out of cover and around the planet. In the defence of Okinawa by the Japanese in WWII some Jap heavy artillery pieces were emplaced on tracks in caves. They would be loaded, run out of the cave on the tracks, fired, and then run back in again. This made them nearly impossible to hit.

You should get hold of a copy of ‘Flesh and Iron’, in it there is a massive artillery gun that works just like this, built into a entire mountain range. There are also rail mounted guns in ‘Straight Silver’.

Railways would be very common in 40K since they are one of the most efficient methods of transporting large quantities of goods and people. In addition to all the other references, there is also a description in the Ciaphas Cain book ‘The Traitors Hand’.