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Claudio
22-07-2010, 22:50
The Adeptus Mechanicus seems to take care of everything that is non-biological. Now, who takes care of things like bioengineering? Is it forbidden to develop or investigate this stuff? Maybe they only allow it for the Space Marines so there canīt be imperial guards or civilians with biological augmentations.

MrSatan
22-07-2010, 23:15
I assume there are scientists/biologis that sort this out, space marines have apothecaries that oversee their biological enhancements I assume there non-marine equivilents.

For example in gaunts ghosts/Eisenhorn, inquisitor Heldane had his image bioengineered to look like a horse, so it is done

Gdolkin
23-07-2010, 00:38
It's the Mechanicus. Magos Biologis and Genetor.. right?

MajorWesJanson
23-07-2010, 01:45
Mechanicus = cult of science and technology, not just mechanical devices.

Collinsas
23-07-2010, 03:08
Yes, like Gdolkin said there is indeed a sub faction of the AD-Mech called the Magos Biologis, they can be identified by the fact that rather than wearing the standard red robes they wear black, and tend to have mechadendrite implants of a surgical nature instead of the standard mechanical manipulators, examples of them appear in Xenology and IA 4. Also Dark Heresy has an AD-Mech splinter cell called Hereiteks (not sure on the spelling) that specialize on forbidden sciences like laboratory engineered creatures to be used as bio weapons.


Post Note:
Here is a listing of the mechanicus disciplines as written in Dark Heresy, take from there names what you will they look to be self explanitory.

Magos Technicus
Magos Metallurgicus
Magos Alchemys
Magos Physic
Magos Biologis
Magos Ordinatos
Magos Xenologis

Scalebug
23-07-2010, 10:07
For example in gaunts ghosts/Eisenhorn, inquisitor Heldane had his image bioengineered to look like a horse, so it is done

Well, not literally look a horse, beastman style... Like a horse as in the insult "Horse-face", a noticable long shape of the skull.

He had his face and skull ruined by being stepped on by some mastodon-tiger-deal xenos creature, and had to have it rebuilt with a lot of life support wire systems and plates, and opted for not trying to have it look human, but instead really scary. Think there used to be illustrations of some of the characters on the BL site.

Idaan
23-07-2010, 10:23
Which quite frankly is ridiculous, as it's a violation of the Holy Human Form (TM the God Emperor). How different is this from having a tentacle for an arm?


And yes, there are Mechanicus who take interest in bio-technology, there even is a whole philosophy whose main tenet is that bio-engineering is superior to normal engineering:


ORGANICISTS
“Everything organic we know of is simply machinery, in one
form or another. Tendons replace pistons; flesh in the place of
steel; blood is simply biological coolant. To deny this and shun
it is more than just Mechanicus orthodoxy – it is idiocy.”
Attributed to an unknown Genetor

At first, this philosophy may seem most out of place in an organisation that is based upon the use of so much machinery and metal. For most of the Mechanicus, flesh is weak and a hindrance in most aspects – but not so to this faction. The tenet of the Organicists sees biological matter as simple machinery in another guise. The brain is stylised as a complex computer and the body's diverse workings as a biological
apparatus. This philosophy's followers, as could be expected, are mostly Genetors and members of the Adeptus Biologis, studying and
improving upon organic matter to improve it in all possible ways, growing all sorts of weird and terrible creations in their bio-vats. Where a typical Tech Priest may, at various stages of their career, 'upgrade' themselves with bionic limbs, data-repositories, and all sorts of other cyberware, an Organicist is far more likely to implant into themself various glands, increase their muscle mass with stimms, and enhance their senses with laboratory-grown specimens. The majority of Organicists do not reject the ideas of their brethren simply on the basis of their preference for metal instead of flesh. In some cases, Organicists may even prefer to make use of bionics themselves; it is simply that they do not reject biological components out of hand. It is for their acceptance of machinery, where they choose organic substitutes that, whilst considered bizarre, the Organicists are not persecuted by the Adeptus Mechanicus (along with their proficiency where it comes to servicing older Magos' remaining biological components).

ashc
23-07-2010, 10:34
Which quite frankly is ridiculous, as it's a violation of the Holy Human Form (TM the God Emperor).

If so then so are space marines... or is it ok for big E to do it? :p

On the subject though, the Biologis can be a *very* controversial faction anyway on the subject of what is right, wrong, and gone too far..

Idaan
23-07-2010, 10:46
Isn't the current party line that the Space Marines are the epitome of humanity? Even more human than humans (in form at least, not in spirit).

Polaria
23-07-2010, 11:31
Space Marines are Emperors children, directly comissioned by Emperor himself. To question Emperor is heresy. To question the Space Marines is heresy.

Inquisitors are Emperors eyes in the world. They have Emperors permission for anything. Thats right. ANYTHING. To question Emperor is heresy. To question the Inquisition is heresy.

Enough of explanation?

Sai-Lauren
23-07-2010, 11:57
The Adeptus Mechanicus seems to take care of everything that is non-biological. Now, who takes care of things like bioengineering? Is it forbidden to develop or investigate this stuff?

If it was, there'd be no servitors. ;)

As said, there's various separate parts of the Adeptus Mechanicus - including the Adeptus Mechanicus Biologis. They're the ones that disect aliens, create the various Exterminatus viral strains, produce Servitors and Arco-Flagellants and so on, and could conceivably be responsible for producing the designs for life support systems for spaceships and orbital habitats, the higher tech medical equipment and possibly cybernetic replacements.

Isn't the AM priest in Crossfire a member of the Biologis?

Hunger
23-07-2010, 16:18
I wonder if profit-making cybernetics corporations have a place in the Imperium, or if they are outlawed and everything mechanical is totally overseen by the Mechanicus?

On another note, sentient robotics are outlawed, but in order to manufacture such huge quantities of materials forgeworlds, hive worlds and other huge-scale production centres must surely make use of robotic elements, and to make these efficient they must have a certain degree of autonomous processing power. So where does the Imperium draw the line at sentience? How much self-control can a unit have before being declared a thinking machine? What about machine spirits?

Is it possible that functioning Imperial worlds exist that are controlled by Skynet-type automated machine sentiences? Do some Imperial worlds have anything like the USSR's Dead Hand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)) system?

ashc
23-07-2010, 18:27
I think pretty much everything is ran by the adeptus mechanicus; if you aren't sanctioned by the mechanicus properly you end up branded a heretek for it. That's not to say that the Mechanicus isn't a money making corporation anyway... they are very rich indeed! - And oftentimes its easy for various biologis, explorators and techpriests to 'go rogue' to sell their services to the highest bidder, whether the mechanicus likes it or not.

Radium
23-07-2010, 18:39
Space Marines are Emperors children, directly comissioned by Emperor himself. To question Emperor is heresy. To question the Space Marines is heresy.

You do realize the AdMech is not an integrated part of the Imperium and does not consider the Emperor to be a deity?

Setesh
23-07-2010, 18:40
The Dark Mechanicus grow iron warriors through biological/daemonic means, I'd assume their loyalist counterpart does something similar [minus the daemons of course!]

source: Dead Sky Black Sun, BL

Ordo Hydra
24-07-2010, 11:12
Also Dark Heresy has an AD-Mech splinter cell called Hereiteks (not sure on the spelling) that specialize on forbidden sciences like laboratory engineered creatures to be used as bio weapons.

Heretek's, yes. Dark Heresy also mentions that a Heretek called Umbra Malygris was involved in a massive tech-heresy in the Calixis Sector where he pioneered a forbidden and heretical art called Malgyrisian Bio-Forging that involves completely distorting the genetic structure of the subject to induce specific traits. But this is heresy....

The Adeptus Mechanicus does take an interest in the biological arts but consider it inferior to the power of cybernetics. As mentioned though the Organicists disagree with this view.