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DarthMcBob
10-08-2010, 04:26
OK, so we know that when a Chaos worshiper dies, their soul becomes a snack for their Chaos god. But what happens to someone who worships Chaos Undivided, like the Word Bearers? The logical course would be for the soul to be split into four separate snacks. However, I can't see that happening because the gods are extremely hateful towards one another and wouldn't share anything, especially not billions of souls of undivided worshipers. Except for maybe Tzeentch, as part of a plan to make another god bloated and trick the others into attacking him. Also, since when has Chaos followed anything like logic?

A Shadow
10-08-2010, 04:30
I'm not that consumption by the gods is true. Souls lost in the Warp become prey for the myraid deamons that inhabit the realm. This feeding destroys the soul and strengthens the deamon and presumably their master.

Perhaps Undivided worshippers are just consumed by whomever has the fastest deamon?

Son of Sanguinius
10-08-2010, 04:33
OK, so we know that when a Chaos worshiper dies, their soul becomes a snack for their Chaos god. But what happens to someone who worships Chaos Undivided, like the Word Bearers? The logical course would be for the soul to be split into four separate snacks. However, I can't see that happening because the gods are extremely hateful towards one another and wouldn't share anything, especially not billions of souls of undivided worshipers. Except for maybe Tzeentch, as part of a plan to make another god bloated and trick the others into attacking him. Also, since when has Chaos followed anything like logic?

When an individual with a comparatively weak soul dies, the soul is scattered into the warp and what parts of it were altered by emotion gravitate toward the applicable god. To my knowledge, this is true for most living beings with souls, from an Imperial Cardinal to a Word Bearer's Space Marine. Now, if a soul is more potent, it can retain its "form" within the warp after the body dies. It has lost its anchor to the physical realm and suffers incredible risks. They are immediate prey to demons and still run the risk of being torn apart by the chaotic energies. Some souls can force their way into new bodies to gain another anchor, some are consumed by demons, and some, I would wager, can actually traverse the warp unseen by its predators.

The gods have some control over this process. Souls that are already linked to them, even weak ones, can be held together and used in reincarnation or placed in a new vessel. Lucius and Kharn are the first examples that come to mind, as neither of them are psykers.

Clockwork-Knight
10-08-2010, 06:10
Don't they become gargoyles or whatever those unaligned daemonic creatures are called?

At least, as some people believe.

Son of Sanguinius
10-08-2010, 06:28
Chaos Furies is the name you're looking for, I believe.

Askil the Undecided
11-08-2010, 12:13
Or maybe they are consumed by Chaos itself?

You know Chaos Undivided the entity composed of Chaos in it's entirety the one that used to give out marks before GW decided the new generation of nine year olds who play MtG and WoW couldn't grasp such complexities and ditched it neglecting that it was important to the canon due to Undivided legions and Abaddon following it.

ashc
11-08-2010, 12:16
Indeed, worshipping Chaos in all its glory does seem to have fallen somewhat out of fashion in recent years.

Although its fine for Bloodletters and Daemonettes to be holding hands hopping skipping and jumping to battle. :confused:

Leez
11-08-2010, 15:04
Indeed, worshipping Chaos in all its glory does seem to have fallen somewhat out of fashion in recent years.
Twelve crusades latter it's not hard to see why. The fictional public's perception is a as fickle and stupid as the real world's public perception.




Although its fine for Bloodletters and Daemonettes to be holding hands hopping skipping and jumping to battle. :confused:
Competing for the same prize with the fury, anger, and lust for that which is theirs by attacking it instead of falling upon each other is hardly a May Day event.

Megad00mer
11-08-2010, 15:08
It depends on the soul I think..

If the mortal worshiped all 4 powers as a Pantheon and was truly devoted to Chaos as a whole, I'd assume his/her soul energy would be dissipated between the 4 gods upon death. The devoted soul truly becomes one with Chaos.

If a mortal worshiped Chaos in a fleeting way, that is to say switched devotion from one god to the next as different situations presented themselves in order to get ahead and never truly devoted themselves to a particular power or to Chaos itself, well the Chaos Daemon Codex explains it. These souls are twisted into Furies. Such is the price of indecision.

As for other souls..

Most mortal creatures do not have the psychic "strength of will" to retain any semblance of self after death. Their souls enter the warp with only basic awareness and emotional instinct. They either disipate into the rolling energies of the Warp itself, or are devoured by Daemons.

The Eldar however are blessed/cursed with the strength of will to enter the warp fully conscious of who they are and what is happening. As all Eldar souls belong to Slaanesh this can be quite horrifying to the poor dead Eldar. That's why most Eldar wear waystones so their souls are saved from being absorbed by the Warp, and why Dark Eldar consume the souls of others to replenish their own and stave off the literal "hell" that awaits them upon death.

madprophet
12-08-2010, 05:41
Indeed, worshipping Chaos in all its glory does seem to have fallen somewhat out of fashion in recent years.

Malal is the only true Chaos god, he alone is Chaos personified seeking to bring all of creation to its natural state of Chaos. All praise to Malal and to his Apostle (may the peace of Chaos be upon him).

The Emperor (peace of Chaos be upon him) spoke the word of Malal to mankind - seek not the false gods of Chaos for they have fallen and betrayed Malal but the priests of the ecclesiarchy perverted the word of Malal and the teaching of the Emperor (pcbuh).

Hear, oh ye with ears to hear and minds to discern, only those who embrace Is'Malal will prosper for Malal guides not the infidel nor the unclean. :evilgrin:


Although its fine for Bloodletters and Daemonettes to be holding hands hopping skipping and jumping to battle. :confused:

All Chaos finds its unity in Malal for he is truly the Right Path, undivided and uncorrupted - happiness and fulfillment for denizens of the Warp or the Materium alike can only be had in submitting to Malal and to his Apostle (pcbuh) in the embrace of Is'Malal. :D

Gorbad Ironclaw
12-08-2010, 06:46
You know Chaos Undivided the entity composed of Chaos in it's entirety the one that used to give out marks before GW decided the new generation of nine year olds who play MtG and WoW couldn't grasp such complexities and ditched it neglecting that it was important to the canon due to Undivided legions and Abaddon following it.

It can't have been that important as we got along without it perfectly well for quite a few years. I think it showed up in the 3rd ed Codex?
There were unaligned Legions and personalities before that, but Chaos Undivided as it was later understood wasn't part of earlier chaos rules.

It's just a rules artefact, and it never really made a whole lot of sense. Marks are presumably your reward for loyal service to a master. But unless there is an actual entity called Chaos Undivided who is giving the marks and stuff?

Askil the Undecided
12-08-2010, 09:07
Gorbad, there is an entity called Chaos.

People pick specific bits of this entity and give these parts names. Names like Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh.

Make no mistake these are large and important parts, but to name them and think you know Chaos is foolish. They are like the naming the continents and neglecting the waves of the ocean that is drowning us, or naming the fingers of our strangler.

Chaos Undivided. Chaos without imposed division into seperate aspects. Like the christian holy trinity but rather an unholy quad: the-four-who-are-one.


It can't have been that important as we got along without it perfectly well for quite a few years. I think it showed up in the 3rd ed Codex?
There were unaligned Legions and personalities before that, but Chaos Undivided as it was later understood wasn't part of earlier chaos rules.

It's just a rules artefact, and it never really made a whole lot of sense. Marks are presumably your reward for loyal service to a master. But unless there is an actual entity called Chaos Undivided who is giving the marks and stuff?

Oh we don't need it? then why do people keep asking "who elevates undivided deamon princes?" and "how does undivided work?" the changes in fluff also made the undivided legions look bloody stupid for pottering indecisively for 10,000 years. It also made the Word Bearers make absolutely no sense at all the most fanatically committed and deeply religious legion being namby pamby prudes who won't "put out" soul-wise and seal the deal with any of the gods.