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kylsnik ironhead
24-08-2010, 07:45
does anybody know what Genestealers from Ork or Tau hosts look like?, We've all seen Human Genestealers and I'm just wondering what Other Races Genestealers would look like.

AndrewGPaul
24-08-2010, 07:50
White Dwarf 135 and the Freebooterz book showed Ork-genestealer hybrids. The miniatures used were basically just plastic Hybrids with Ork arms, or Ork bodies with plastic 'stealer arms. The skin tones were a more tuquoise colour than human-'stealer hybrids.

There was one actual miniature made. See it here:
http://www.zachary.org/games/gw/ork9.jpg

(3rd row down, 2nd from the right)

fantomex
24-08-2010, 20:11
Here is a link to some rather ace genestealer hybrid models, I especially like the technovirus one..
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/album50/Genestealers/?g2_page=1

Also, some artwork of genestealer orks.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_v-QnkPLGATg/TEB2oT1rA4I/AAAAAAAABWw/IY7DxtAc9Ow/s800/orggen_lg.jpg

ashendant
24-08-2010, 20:14
Ork genestealer don't make much sense if you count the whole go back to homeworld and breed, unless the spores are also infected which is more probable

Clockwork-Knight
24-08-2010, 21:29
I doubt that the spores are infested. However, it should be easy for a genestealer to infest a newly hatched ork that has to claw itself out from the ground. They just won't create genestealer-hybrids, because that's a relic from the time when orks were marsupial and did give birth to little baby orks.

Askil the Undecided
24-08-2010, 23:29
To answer the OP directly, almost definately exactly the same. Genestealers breed true in a cycle over successive generations of infected hosts.

Brother Siccarius
25-08-2010, 00:06
Ork genestealer don't make much sense if you count the whole go back to homeworld and breed, unless the spores are also infected which is more probable

As the Genestealer virus effects the DNA of the infected, and you pass on DNA through breeding, even plant-like breeding, I don't see why not.


There's also the fact that they've already happened (or have been heavily implied).
Kryptmann's Gambit involved taking genestealers and gene-stealer hybrids and sending them into Ork territory. Then destroying planets that would continue the Hive fleet's path to the Imperium. Well, the Tyranids turned around and went for the Ork territory, which wouldn't have happened if the orks had just simply killed the hybrids, as they have to survive and there has to be a number of them to lead a hive fleet to them.

Curis
25-08-2010, 00:18
I've got a whole army of Ork/Genestealer Hybridz. I call them Greenstealerz.

http://www.ninjabread.co.uk/2009/11/07/orkgenestealer-hybridz-an-introduction/

http://www.ninjabread.co.uk/2010/01/12/ork-genestealer-hybridz-shoota-boyz/

http://www.ninjabread.co.uk/category/hybridz/

Hellebore
25-08-2010, 01:27
I've got a whole army of Ork/Genestealer Hybridz. I call them Greenstealerz.

http://www.ninjabread.co.uk/2009/11/07/orkgenestealer-hybridz-an-introduction/

http://www.ninjabread.co.uk/2010/01/12/ork-genestealer-hybridz-shoota-boyz/

http://www.ninjabread.co.uk/category/hybridz/

Those are very nice. :cool:

The ork face and stealer head fit together disturbingly well.


As to the original question, Brother Siccarius has said it, the genestealers alter the host's DNA so that when they breed they use hybridised gametes.

The ork gamete is their spore, so there is absolutely no reason why a genestealer hybrid couldn't burst out of the ground from an ork sack. However the question is whether they'd have the same generational system. The human generational system was based on simple recessive/dominant generational genetics that you'd learn at school.

Orks don't have the same system, so technically every generation of spores would be a 'first generation' hybrid. There is no genetic mixing to reinforce the genes.

Hellebore

Askil the Undecided
25-08-2010, 10:49
Isn't a gamete by definition a cell containing only a portion (about 50%) of the required genes to create offspring?

Whereas Orkiod spores are parthenogenic reproductive factors containing not only full set of Ork genes but those for the genetic specialisms, the reproductive nutrient sack, Grots, hundreds of fungi and every breed of squig.

As such any Ork infected by a 'Stealer would simply remain a "brood brother" influenced by the brood telepathy but not capable of generationally reproducing further 'Stealers.

AndrewGPaul
25-08-2010, 13:34
It's never been properly explained how Orks breed. Do the spores contain only genetic material from the host Ork? Is there some method for mixing genetic material between Orks prior to sporing (I'm thinking some sort of 'pollenisation' process)? If the latter, that would allow hybridisation in a similar manner to humans.

Alternatively, assuming a single Ork's spores contain the information to create the entire Ork ecosystem, again, that could allow 'stealer genetic material to mix randomly to create hybrids. Perhaps, rather than the defined generational changes in human-'stealer reproduction, an infected Ork would produce an entire collection of hybrids and 'Brood Boyz' at once, in different combinations - what look like 1st through 4th-generation hybrids would in actual fact be spawned simultaneously.

Memnos
25-08-2010, 13:39
According to old fluff, Genestealers tend not to infect Orks. Not because they can't, but because the resultant gestalt is still subject to the Orky power of 'Waaaagh!'.

Which makes it interesting when that Genestealer decides that it really is green and tries to duff over the Hive Tyrant.

AndrewGPaul
25-08-2010, 14:37
It was also because, compared to humans, Orks took a very long time to reach breeding age (and most of 'em die in battle first), making it awfully time-consuming to build up a decent-sized cult.

x-esiv-4c
26-08-2010, 15:05
Redemption corps has a good bit about ork-stealer hybrids.