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28-08-2010, 12:20
Sorry if this has been posted before, I searched but found nothing.

After searching fruitlessly for my 6th edition Vampire Counts army book an idea came to me. It would be much more convenient to me, both for storage and being able to find it, if I could have this book on my computer. (If only my house was as ordered as my computer, and index searchable!)

A lot of the out of print army books and codices still contain relevant hobby sections and good background material that for whatever reason didn't make it into the current book. I thought maybe GW could release their out of print books, books that no longer make them any money, as free pdfs or for a nominal fee.

Black Library is doing something similar with out of print books in an e-format and print on demand. There is also precedence in what they did with the specialist games lines.

Am I missing something? Does this decision make bad business sense, is it good?

I would appreciate any input.

28-08-2010, 14:44
I think it's a good idea, but I doubt there'd be much profit in it for GW. Sure, they could charge a slight fee, but they'd also have to pay for people to scan the books, pay to host the pages or something... I don't really know the details, but it won't create much profit even if it doesn't make a loss. That gives little incentive for them to do anything, especially since they probably want to concentrate resources on new things.

28-08-2010, 18:33
It's a great little idea but I don't think see GW releasing any of the older books because as far as they are concerned they are not in line with the newest editions.

Personally I am all for it. I have three complete editions of army books for both 40k, Warhammer as well as most of the Specialist Games and Lord of the Rings out put and they take a lot of space up.

Jo Bennett
28-08-2010, 18:39
I assume they already have at least the more recent books held electronically. The sensible thing would be to have an online archive and charge a modest monthly subscription for access to the whole thing (say, GBP5 a month) or tie it to the WD subscription in some way.

29-08-2010, 06:39
I think it's a good idea. The way I see it, if GW still sells a model, like the Halfling Hot Pot Catapult, they should still have the rules available.

29-08-2010, 11:19
Huh? The OP isn't talking about making new rules available for old models. If the last 4 Warhammer Armies: Empire books were available from GW's website the Hot Pot would still have no rules for the current game.

29-08-2010, 11:21
It shouldn't really cost them much as bandwidth is extremely cheap and if they already have their publications in some format (like Quark or similar as they're the standard tools usually) then it should be easy to produce PDFs either of the whole book, or of excerpts from it such as the modelling articles, historic model pictures, artworks that's not in the newer book(s) and so-on, i.e - the stuff people would be most interested in as separate articles for easier access, though the whole books would still be nice to see how an army list has changed.

30-08-2010, 04:15
Yeah, but if I have the old book, I have the stats for the catapult. Luckily, my friends are fine with that. If GW isn't going to support/allow a model, they shouldn't sell it.

30-08-2010, 12:53
I tend to agree with Haravikk. The combination of cheap bandwidth and (worst case scenario) a few hours wages of scanning in books, it is a very small outlay and the good will created may be priceless. I know I would pick up a few.

As for selling unsupported miniatures perhaps some people buy said miniatures for the modeling, rather than the gaming aspect.

30-08-2010, 15:49
Yeah, but if I have the old book, I have the stats for the catapult. Luckily, my friends are fine with that. If GW isn't going to support/allow a model, they shouldn't sell it.

Why not? They're not forcing you to buy it, but letting those that want older models get their hands on them. The old Elementals aren't useable in the game either, but I'm glad they're still for sale.

31-08-2010, 07:03
Yeah, but elementals can add character to a model. What do you do with a stupid soup-shooting catapult besides paint the halflings up like Oompa-Loompas and fling garlic soup at Vampires?

31-08-2010, 08:53
What do you mean, "add character to a model"? They are models, and quite large ones at that. I think you're thinking of familiars.

The obvious use for a Hot Pot, if you really must use it in a game is as an Empire mortar.

Alternatively, you can just buy it because you think it's cool, and paint it up. Not every miniature needs to be useful in a game.

31-08-2010, 10:03
I think the problem here is GW being seen to provide out-of-date rules, which may then support an argument for making them tournament legal.

It may also encouarge people to stick to old versions of the game, if all the army books are still available at a cheap price.

Personally, I have library of old army books/codices which I much prefer to eBooks/pdfs, but I'd still find a use for filling a few gaps in my collection.

Jo Bennett
01-09-2010, 19:02
The old army books are already available at a cheap price, for the most part. It's called eBay. A few people still play 2nd ed or Rogue Trader, but there is really very little reason why someone would choose to play earlier editions of WHFB, even if the rules were readily available.

02-09-2010, 16:50
I would assume the main problem with keeping the older editions available, would be that people may prefer the older versions and hence not buy the new models, who only have new rules.
People who play Chaos Dwarves, Dogs of War or Squats for example will only be buying there models second hand now. Or Empire players who want to use a War Wagon/Hot Pot whatever.

03-09-2010, 13:40
One problem would be that once out they'd be on the torrent sites in a day... if it wasn't for the fact that they're already there.