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AstartesWarMachine
30-08-2010, 08:40
Today at our weekly gaming session one of my Terminators died to a bare-fisted plague marine's punch. I proceeded to launch into a barely-serious tirade of comical remarks about how the armor could be stepped on by a Titan but apparently a zombie patting the shoulder pad means instant death for its wearer. Then at the end I added,

"Yeah right, a REAL Terminator should count as an armor 8 walker."

So that gave me the idea to start this thread.

Complete the topic sentence: Post something about 40k that, if it were true, would make the game awesome.

eldaran
30-08-2010, 08:51
It would be awesome if...the space wolves had something like combat drugs, except with ye olde fenrisian ale.

feno12
30-08-2010, 08:59
Would be awesome if Tyranids could actually be a proper swarm, outnumbering imperial guard and orks, rather than the other way around >.>

Ivellis
30-08-2010, 09:00
It would be awesome if Eldar could choose which kung fu moves to use during close combat.

Scorpion Smites Dragon, +2S against monstrous creatures, you run on top of them and find a weak point.

:shifty:

Ville
30-08-2010, 09:30
...my precious artillery pieces could be properly stationed miles away from the front line and bombard the enemy without getting charged and promptly hacked apart.

Just the first one to come into mind, a complete list would be endless.

totgeboren
30-08-2010, 09:50
If I could field a proper Legion warband again, and if Chaos could have crappy human cultists.

Zweischneid
30-08-2010, 10:08
... if I could field a Seven (Space Vampire) Samurai Army with 7 Mephistons at 1750 pt. games :D

Zweischneid
30-08-2010, 10:10
.. If I could field Necrons and Blood Angels as allied forces to more properly reflect the fluff.

Zweischneid
30-08-2010, 10:11
... If I could make my own DIY Chaos Gods complete with unique Cult Troops and Legion without being shoehorned into the same-old boring 4 ruinous powers from the 1980s or so.

eyescrossed
30-08-2010, 10:42
If I could field a proper Legion warband again, and if Chaos could have crappy human cultists.

This, this and this! I would actually collect Alpha Legion if for one thing: CULTISTS!

Latro_
30-08-2010, 10:45
.. if the percentage of gamers that do not wash, did.

Balgora
30-08-2010, 11:22
.. if the percentage of gamers that do not wash, did.

I would laugh if i wasn't wearing the same clothes that got drenched in the rain yesterday and had got around to showering and shaving today >_< must go clean up so i can gloat again..

It would be awesome if me or anybody i know well could actually paint :cries:

Reflex
30-08-2010, 11:23
i second the above...

It would ne awesome if games workshop worked for the hobby again, not for huge profit margins.

Spoik
30-08-2010, 12:23
It would be awesome if...

...Dreadnoughts could kick as much as ass as it looks like they should be capable of.

KingNova3000
30-08-2010, 12:25
Armour 8 walkers? I'd lol at units of terminators being at least shaken from lasgun fire. No I think a 2+ save with a 5+ inv save is quite sufficient, and better.

If you want really hardcore terminators give them a crack under 2nd ed, sure they had only a 3+ save but they rolled it on 2d6. :P

Zweischneid
30-08-2010, 12:32
It would be awesome if...

...Dreadnoughts could kick as much as ass as it looks like they should be capable of.

Wait? What? We're talking about the same Dreadnoughts?

Seriously, by the look of what "they should be capable of", what would really happen to this guy below once he lifts one leg to take a step forward? Be honest!

Reflex
30-08-2010, 12:34
he takes another step?

Generaloftheabyss
30-08-2010, 12:35
It'd be awesome if I (only me) didn't have to roll dice.

The Highlander
30-08-2010, 12:38
It would be awesome if my IG parachute army could all deep strike again.

Born Again
30-08-2010, 12:43
If I could field a proper Legion warband again

Huzzah, there it is! Knew it was coming, it only took 6 posts! :p

R0ot
30-08-2010, 13:57
It would be awesome if the Black Templar were the only space marines to get the Land Raider Crusader.

JollyGoodChap
30-08-2010, 14:04
It would be awesome if GW released plastic DKoK...oh the dreams :p

Mannimarco
30-08-2010, 14:34
....if people realised that not all forgeworld stuff was cheesy/broken/unbalanced and for the most part was actually worse when compared to most of the codex stuff.

Skalfgrimm
30-08-2010, 14:49
... if 40k was actually fun to play. It got great models, fluff and flair, only the rules fall so devastatingly short of even the mildest expectations.

fluffymcfluff
30-08-2010, 14:55
It would be awesome.... if all the rain drops were lemon drops and gum drops

nifty
30-08-2010, 15:26
it would be awesome if sponsons could fire at whatever is in its arc of fire.

jasdc1
30-08-2010, 15:36
I call the sponson and raise you a rewrite to tank squadron rules.

Bunnahabhain
30-08-2010, 16:05
the codexs and rules were re-written up to decent modern standards, and didn't use 25 year old fantasy mechanics for the main part. Too much to ask?

Oh, Ok , just the one thing then...
If you could fire into combat/other situations where you are likely to hit you own troops.

Firing into situations where you may hit your own units is allowed, but may not always be appropriate! Although the hive mind cares not about a few more casualties, an Eldar Craft World will. Likewise, there is a special, almost always posthumous, medal for any Guardsman brave enough to call down artillery on their own position when being over-run by the enemy, but even a single space marine is far too valuable to waste like this.

Fire hitting mixed target is randomised as follows.... Stuff


I'd love to be able to flamer my own tanks, when they're surrounded by enemies. The flamer/heavy flamer is much less likely to damage them than letting those grenade/power fist/whatever users have another go at it.
Or save the souls of Green Platoon for the Emperor, by mortaring both them and foul Daemons carving their way through them.....

JollyGoodChap
30-08-2010, 16:11
the codexs and rules were re-written up to decent modern standards, and didn't use 25 year old fantasy mechanics for the main part. Too much to ask?

Oh, Ok , just the one thing then...
If you could fire into combat/other situations where you are likely to hit you own troops.

Firing into situations where you may hit your own units is allowed, but may not always be appropriate! Although the hive mind cares not about a few more casualties, an Eldar Craft World will. Likewise, there is a special, almost always posthumous, medal for any Guardsman brave enough to call down artillery on their own position when being over-run by the enemy, but even a single space marine is far too valuable to waste like this.

Fire hitting mixed target is randomised as follows.... Stuff


I'd love to be able to flamer my own tanks, when they're surrounded by enemies. The flamer/heavy flamer is much less likely to damage them than letting those grenade/power fist/whatever users have another go at it.
Or save the souls of Green Platoon for the Emperor, by mortaring both them and foul Daemons carving their way through them.....
Last I heard you can fire at your own units using a Vindicare Assassin aslong as he has LOS of them, even if they're engaged in assault. However, I don't actually play the game, just model and paint so it might have changed.

Stealin' Genes
30-08-2010, 16:56
GW wrote reasonably competant rules. The amount of stuff in the last few books that basic QA should have caught is just crazy.

TheMav80
30-08-2010, 17:09
...my favorite legions got special rules. (Night Lords & Iron Hands)

Nezalhualixtlan
30-08-2010, 17:12
It would be awesome if GW didn't have such a prejudice against making pleasantly attractive female models where it makes sense to have them... Demonettes / Seekers of Slaanesh, mixed gender IG units or an up to date Commissar, Sisters of Battle, etc... it's almost like they're afraid a set of boobs will frighten children out of the game and fail to recognize the bulk of their customers are adult males who wouldn't mind painting comely female figures for their forces.

Malorian
30-08-2010, 17:15
It would be awesome if...

the majority of armies weren't mech...

Spoik
30-08-2010, 17:17
It would be awesome if people realised that the current Daemonettes matched their fluff and are superbly unnerving.

It would also be awesome if gamers didn't subscribe to the worst stereotypes and actively seek out chances to paint 28mm scale boobs.

Nezalhualixtlan
30-08-2010, 17:28
The old daemonette models were a far better representation of their fluff. Plus, I'm not suggesting they start churning out porn stars with ridiculous barely clothed and armored physiques for things like the SoB or IG, just some models to represent the fact that far more than just the SoB should have some curve to their hips or chest that's somewhat more pronounced beneath armor and clothing and have feminine facial features if unhelmeted. They don't need to be double D's. But are you not at least somewhat disturbed by the fact that even while they exist in fluff for a number of different armies the models for the female figures are nearly non-existant?

Monk813
30-08-2010, 17:36
It would be awesome if...
My IG had some form of psychic defense. Stupid Farseers blasting my Cpt away is not fun...

bravey
30-08-2010, 17:40
.. if the percentage of gamers that do not wash, did.

Ha ha, seconded!

It would be awesome if GW could get their respective thumbs out of the respective butts and start being a fun company again, and toss out all this austerity junk they have going on.

IJW
30-08-2010, 17:40
The old daemonette models were a far better representation of their fluff.
Which fluff? ;) The original background material where they were ugly monstrous hags who used soporific musk to fool males into thinking they looked beautiful?

All four generations of Daemonette model fit the background equally in different ways.

GrogDaTyrant
30-08-2010, 17:43
It would be awesome if...
My IG had some form of psychic defense. Stupid Farseers blasting my Cpt away is not fun...

IG aren't the only ones that have been thrown under the bus on the Psychic Defense issue. It'd be awesome if GW didn't play favorites, especially with this.

Vet.Sister
30-08-2010, 17:45
It'd be awesome if I (only me) didn't have to roll dice.

... I could use strict percentages for groups of dice instead of rolling them. :D

Nezalhualixtlan
30-08-2010, 17:57
Which fluff? ;) The original background material where they were ugly monstrous hags who used soporific musk to fool males into thinking they looked beautiful?

All four generations of Daemonette model fit the background equally in different ways.

I'd prefer them looking like their illusory guise is supposed to suggest rather than having that stripped away I guess. They're supposed to look both beautiful and repulsive, the current models just look repulsive. I guess to each their own.

But the models for the SoB are old and don't really have a nicely sculpted faces, and for the rare few IG females that were produced all of them are out of print at this point I think.

Anyway, I'm not going to derail the thread further, I just think it would be awesome to have more nicely sculpted female model options.

ReveredChaplainDrake
30-08-2010, 17:59
The old daemonette models were a far better representation of their fluff.
They're both good representations for fluff. It just depends on who's looking. If you've got some weak-willed rent-a-guardsmen, he's going to envision Daemonettes as the previous "Double D" representation. But if you've got a battle-hardened, psycho-engineered Space Marine, he's probably going to see a Daemonette for what it is: a perverse, grotesque affront to the Emperor.

Gah, ninja'd.

It would be awesome if the Tyranid Codex and FAQ was written with a sprinkling of common sense.

It would be awesome if Chapter Approved returned.

It would be awesome if people actually played Apocalypse with their armies, not with their tanks only. Reading the rules never hurts either.

Askari
30-08-2010, 19:19
... Thousand Sons were as over the top psychic awesome as they are in A Thousand Sons

Vepr
30-08-2010, 19:25
Would be awesome if Tyranids could actually be a proper swarm, outnumbering imperial guard and orks, rather than the other way around >.>

Amen to that.

Freak Ona Leash
30-08-2010, 20:50
It would be awesome if Chapter Approved returned.



This ^ Time's a thousand. I still have an old Chapter Approved book with the various FAQs and experimental rules. Has the Kroot army list in it and the Feral Ork one too. Seems like only Forge World does that sort of thing these days :(

Damage,Inc.
30-08-2010, 22:44
It would be awesome if...

the majority of armies were mecha...

Fixed it for ya... :P

Damage,Inc.
30-08-2010, 22:53
The old daemonette models were a far better representation of their fluff. Plus, I'm not suggesting they start churning out porn stars with ridiculous barely clothed and armored physiques for things like the SoB or IG, just some models to represent the fact that far more than just the SoB should have some curve to their hips or chest that's somewhat more pronounced beneath armor and clothing and have feminine facial features if unhelmeted. They don't need to be double D's. But are you not at least somewhat disturbed by the fact that even while they exist in fluff for a number of different armies the models for the female figures are nearly non-existant?
This is kind of how I always pictured them working, being seductricesses (sp?) luring in the weak-will but being something ultimately not as promised and downright frightening to those that can see through their disguise. Remember that many people go to their deaths enchanted by the soporific musk, enjoying the sensations like being on the drug xcstacy while the daemon tears them apart.

The perfect example of a daemonette.-

She's beautiful and alluring, and horrific. She's also a man.

Weaver
31-08-2010, 00:12
...Games Workshop kept putting out awesome, gorgeous, characterful models like Straken (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440247a&prodId=prod30015a) and Harker (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod40004a), and the Duelists (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500016a&prodId=prod800003a) and the Merchant & Scribe (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat500016a&prodId=prod800004a).

...'Fun Rules' were published that were not designed to be sold or used in competition. Kinda like Chapter: Approved, I suppose. Things like 40k equivalents of Fantasy Warbands, or Path to Glory. White Dwarf used to some of that stuff now and then. I guess this really comes down to "If White Dwarf was more like it used to be, instead of being an advertisement catalog". And yes, I know I can just write my own :) I do!

...Karl Kopinsky did even more illustrations for Codices and Rulebooks


oh, and if Black Library stopped writing the Horus Heresy Series (don'tkillme :))

H.LaFever
31-08-2010, 05:12
Wouldnt it be awesome...

If We could split squads and have half in over-watch

If We could use Alternate unit activation.

If everyone wanted to play apoc instead of tourney rules, so that house rules could be used, and everything we liked about 40k was back, ie hero hammer!

If beakies once again ruled!

fall3nang3l
31-08-2010, 05:33
If units could split fire


because only a select few members of the 41st millennium (space wolf long fang sergeants) have realized that flashlights can't hurt a rhino


I also second Malorian's comment

TheOverlord
31-08-2010, 06:40
Just a little off note, something I just realized when I was reading the Sister of Battle book, at the section about enemy units. One CAN actually give their Chaos armies some random LatD units by using these units as an allied force. One could, if they wanted, fully tool up the Mutants to become pseudo Chaos Marine Scouts/Initiates. Sure, you might need to ask the enemy if they'll allow you that luxury, but it does fill a gap in the void.

atraphos
31-08-2010, 06:58
... Thousand Sons were as over the top psychic awesome as they are in A Thousand Sons

totally seconded!

HK-47
31-08-2010, 07:15
It would be awesome if GW actually realized that people actually played the game, and put as much effort into making balanced rules as they did with there models.


It would be awesome if people realised that the current Daemonettes matched their fluff and are superbly unnerving.

It would also be awesome if gamers didn't subscribe to the worst stereotypes and actively seek out chances to paint 28mm scale boobs.

Some players may want to have more female minis for unusual reasons, but I would really like to see female guardsmen to portray the diversity of the organization.

When I say it would be awesome if GW did female minis, it's not because I want a half naked super model, but because I want something like this.


95743

http://coolminiornot.com/254490

Silent_Moebius
31-08-2010, 08:20
Would be awesome if Tyranids could actually be a proper swarm, outnumbering imperial guard and orks, rather than the other way around >.>


... Thousand Sons were as over the top psychic awesome as they are in A Thousand Sons

Speaking out of my mind. Nothing to add.

feelnopain666
31-08-2010, 08:50
it would be awesome...
... if a bush doesnt give the same save as a carapaše armour,
...if theres no TLOS,
...if GW could make a pack of advanše rules, for those who want more of a tactical game (the same kind of rule levels in battletech), that include overwatch, split fire, more psychological tests, and AP in CCW.

Lamoron
31-08-2010, 10:08
Games Workshop would write character fluff that didn't involve killing worlds with backhand blows or headbutting the eye of terror.

Games workshop would close down 75% of their stores, license the sales out, lower prices, and have some travelling employees visit the independants instead. GW spends so much "rent" money it's not even remotely funny.

Damage,Inc.
31-08-2010, 12:51
Off topic- I recently saw female models wearing armor in 25mm "heroic" scale made by another company. I have completely forgotten that company, but the thing I liked about their take on females in combat gear was a slightly softer face, made with thinner cheeks (a lot like eldar...), and two barely noticable lumps in the armor suggesting breasts underneath tons of thick padded clothing. They were very subtle but brought in another aspect not often seen in tabletop miniatures, while remaining a realistic and porportionate portrayal of female humans.

Gav2k
31-08-2010, 13:12
Last I heard you can fire at your own units using a Vindicare Assassin aslong as he has LOS of them, even if they're engaged in assault. However, I don't actually play the game, just model and paint so it might have changed.

Think this is still true. I believe he can even shoot HIMSELF if he so wishes.

It would be awesome if... Necrons had more choices for their army.

Zweischneid
31-08-2010, 13:34
Last I heard you can fire at your own units using a Vindicare Assassin aslong as he has LOS of them, even if they're engaged in assault. However, I don't actually play the game, just model and paint so it might have changed.

True. You can. And all the Shenenigans you can do with that... say killing your own Lone Wolves for KP-denial, shooting your own Lucas the Trickster, shooting your own last-surviving model in an enemies assault, triggering Righteous Zeal in your own units, etc.. prove that the game would need some serious retooling before shooting your own units would work sensibly on a broader scale.

eldaran
31-08-2010, 14:02
Off topic- I recently saw female models wearing armor in 25mm "heroic" scale made by another company. I have completely forgotten that company, but the thing I liked about their take on females in combat gear was a slightly softer face, made with thinner cheeks (a lot like eldar...), and two barely noticable lumps in the armor suggesting breasts underneath tons of thick padded clothing. They were very subtle but brought in another aspect not often seen in tabletop miniatures, while remaining a realistic and porportionate portrayal of female humans.

and GW can't do the same for it's cadians, why? These sound awesome - what's the web address of this company?

GrogDaTyrant
31-08-2010, 15:20
...would be awesome if GW threw a bone to the other variant army lists and did PDFs and WD articles for them.

Damage,Inc.
31-08-2010, 21:58
and GW can't do the same for it's cadians, why? These sound awesome - what's the web address of this company?

Again, completely forgot it as I was just cruising through looking for cool bitz. I'll post them somewhere if I bump into them again.

GW could easily make models like this, however everything GW produces has this "over-the-top" feeling, you know- the heroic scale that produces pistols the size of battle rifles and way larger than their holsters, or swords so large the user must drag it along the ground when not in use.

GW isn't used to to being subtle. Then again, in this hobby, the slave girls from Asdrubael Vect have sold more than that model itself, so you have to remember the larger audience...

JagdWehrwolf
31-08-2010, 22:26
It would be awesome if games workshop worked for the hobby again, not for huge profit margins.
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