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The Anarchist
30-08-2010, 19:21
Ok so got back into the country for first time in a lil while, popped out shopping and was very pleased to see and buy me a copy of White Dwarf.

however my pleasure was short lived, i was reading through and whilst loving the look of the new starter kit white dwarf has changed. the magazine seems a lot smaller, and considering it costs more it bothers me a lil. as i read through though it seemed more adverts than i remember by a fair distance, and dominated more by LotR than before. I've always been a warhammer and 40k player and not a fan of LotR so it jsut seems to me from my read that White Dwarf has lsot that magic touch that use to make me buy it every month for 5 years.
Is it me being an ****, did i choose a bad issue to re-pick up WD? or is the magazine always like this now? so for all those of you that remember what white dwarf use to be like, whats happened? is it always like this, and if it is do you still all buy it?

larabic
30-08-2010, 19:42
I haven't bought a WD in well over two years, canceled my subscription longer ago then that. Even when it was $5 1/3rd of it was LoTR which i have no desire in reading or seeing. I don't mind 40K and read up and keep track of the new stuff coming out but fantasy is what i really want to see and painting articles or modeling conversion ideas. Now that it doubled in price i have no reason to pick it up for the 1/3rd of the magazine that i really want to read, and that is a good month fantasy seems to be slowly squeezed out and 8th edition is the only reason it is getting as much page time as it does right now. All i can say is that i think the magazine will get better once the 10 year contract to support LoTR runs out (not sure if that is actually the length but those were the rumblings that i heard.)

Malorian
30-08-2010, 19:47
I used to love white dwarf and couldn't wait to get my new copy each month, then the battle reports got lame, fewer tactical articles, too much LotR, but most importantly it seemed half of it was trying to sell you something.

I haven't gotten a white dwarf in over a year.

Leogun_91
30-08-2010, 20:04
I still get them regularly but the good articles are decreasing. I don't mind the Lotr bit, I don't like the fluff but I really like the system in Lotr SBG. That is not what's bothering me, it's nice to see what the developers thought when making the new stuff for sure but I miss the pices of nice fluff and intresting rules, they aren't too many any more, maybe one per two issues of either rather then two per one issue of both as it used to be, there was a while when I read it only for the standard bearer.

lotrchampion
30-08-2010, 20:06
Too much LotR? A LotR player could just as easily complain of too much 40k or Fantasy. As a major LotR player, I've seen no decent content for LotR for most of the past 3 years. 40k and Fantasy have had some pretty damn good stuff by comparison. Remember, it's meant to be a supporting magazine (as well as a catalogue these days) for 3 games systems, not 2. Thats why I never really buy White Dwarf now.

mitsukai
30-08-2010, 20:10
I brought them for a while a few months ago when they had the articles on army builds and the such, but other than that its terrible and not even close to being worth the 5 quid you have to pay for it, they need to go back to the old grass routes with maybe few adventure ideas for their RPGs and couple more articles on the WHFB world.

Malorian
30-08-2010, 20:13
Too much LotR? A LotR player could just as easily complain of too much 40k or Fantasy. As a major LotR player, I've seen no decent content for LotR for most of the past 3 years. 40k and Fantasy have had some pretty damn good stuff by comparison. Remember, it's meant to be a supporting magazine (as well as a catalogue these days) for 3 games systems, not 2. Thats why I never really buy White Dwarf now.

Your user name and the location of this thread bans you from having a say ;)


I would like to think they would make the ratio of articles equal to the ratio of players, meaning mainly 40k, then a good amount of fantasy, and the rare bit of LotR. Although mixing each issue is the best.

When I stopped buying them LotR was the main theme every third issue, and for me that was just a waste.

Londinium
30-08-2010, 20:16
It's bloody awful if you compare it to what it was around the turn of the century. Back then you'd get good articles for all major games systems, proper meaty fluff (Index Astartes articles), articles written by gamers outside the studio system (Mike something or other, I remember he liked to use footnotes) and the original Tale of Four Gamers, not the poor cut down online knock off. You'd also get decent battle reports and like 6/7 pages of games designers discussing new codex/army books when they first came out. Now you just get beat over the head about why the new stuff is so great and why you should go out and mortgage your cat to buy it all.

I kinda wish they'd bring back the old Citadel Journal, back in the day I didn't pay much attention to it because WD was still decent. However now theres a real gap for it to fill with what WD has become.

Malorian
30-08-2010, 20:19
I kinda wish they'd bring back the old Citadel Journal, back in the day I didn't pay much attention to it because WD was still decent. However now theres a real gap for it to fill with what WD has become.

The problem is that in this internet age paper magazines are obsolete.


Oddly enough GW shut down their website forum and kept the magazine :rolleyes:

BigRob
30-08-2010, 20:36
I kinda wish they'd bring back the old Citadel Journal, back in the day I didn't pay much attention to it because WD was still decent. However now theres a real gap for it to fill with what WD has become.

Problem with the CJ (as I understand it) is the same as with good old Firebase/Watchmen. They didn't get enough articles submitted by the gamers and other contributers to fill the pages and it was costing too much in time and effort to run.

Firebase/Watchmen was fantastic, as are all the other (free) online mags and ezine things. I love reading them, a darn sight better than what WD has become. Pretty much from Issue 300 its been on a slope and certainly 2005+ it became a publication that is fit only for "Filing next to the toilet in case the paper runs out", not that it will do that much for you with the cheap quality paper they use now.

SiNNiX
30-08-2010, 20:39
Man, I was actually planning on renewing my subscription too. Do you guys think I shouldn't bother? I haven't even read a copy of White Dwarf in about 2 years, maybe 3.

Slayerthane
30-08-2010, 20:42
I still have a subscription, but I won't renew when it runs out in 4 issues. To be honest, the magazine is crap now. Yes it is all adverts, and good articles are usually limited to one or two per issue, and that's when its good. To be honest, they do have a decent article in this issue on IG Tank paint schemes but that's just a re-hash of an article on the website.

I remember, when they used to come up with additional scenarios, cool units and rules, background, useful painting tutorials and tips, and battle reports where they weren't just rigging the results so the army they are showcasing wins. I kept holding on to my subscription in the hope that it will improve, but I've come to the realization that GW is not interested in encouraging the hobby only in selling more stuff. Not surprisingly all the good gaming nights in my city are at rogue traders, not at the local GW.

Privateer Press's No Quarter is alot like what WD used to be back when it was last good in 2004/2005, but then that only helps if you're into Warmachine/Hordes. A number of ex GW guys are working for them now including Rob Hawkins and Stu Spengler and I think it shows.

By the way, I'm also a LotR player (actually WotR), which to be honest is dying a slow death in the US. The only reason GW supports it is that its popular in Europe from what I hear, but I can't even get GW staffers with LotR armies to play it at their LotR nights anymore. I think the only reason so much of the WD is LotR, is that they just sell the UK WD in the US, instead of coming up with their own version like they did back in 2004/2005 when it was last good. The UK one would have alot of LotR since from what I've heard that and WotR are as popular as WHFB and 40K.

Malorian
30-08-2010, 20:43
Man, I was actually planning on renewing my subscription too. Do you guys think I shouldn't bother? I haven't even read a copy of White Dwarf in about 2 years, maybe 3.

Unless they come out with a good white dwarf model (even the current model stinks...) then I wouldn't bother.

You get better battle reports, tactics, and rumors here on warseer.

Gatsby
30-08-2010, 20:46
The problem is that in this internet age paper magazines are obsolete.


Oddly enough GW shut down their website forum and kept the magazine :rolleyes:

they shut down the forum because they didn't want actual feedback directly from customers (we can thank tyranid players for that.)

if they just make the articles proportionate to the costumers, as said by someone above mostly 40k then fantasy, and from what I've seen in my area, Lotr should just be made a specialist game (not trying to insult or start an argument but there are more blood bowl or Battle Fleet Gothic players at one LGS or GW store than there are Lotr players at the LGS and GW store combined.)

and they need more painting, tactical, etc articles and less buy me and me and me.

Obake123
30-08-2010, 20:53
I started reading back when the magazine was still in double figures. If you think the quality has declined over the past few years, you should see what it looks like compared to what it used to be waaay back when.

Army lists, codexes for new armies, conversion and modeling in 'evy metal, stories, art. Oh and it weighed about twice as much as it does now.

I think the actual presentation of the magazine is excellent, but I wih they would bulk it up a little, publish minidexes, actually give the readers something for their money instead of adverts and... well, more adverts.

Oseru
30-08-2010, 20:54
I've seen White Dwarf as nothing but an advertisement for several years now as it has contributed so little to the hobby.

I refuse to pay for an advertisement.

Malorian
30-08-2010, 20:55
If you ask me (and I know in the back of your mind you are) they should shut down the white dwarf magazine, open up a website that you need to pay $10 to access, and fill it with battle reports, painting tips, tactics, rumors, and general info.

Basically Warseer but coming straight from the source, and allowing you to direct questions straight to the designers.

Hell, they could even use it as a form of playtesting and seeing how ideas would be seen and what loopholes are thought up before they go to print.


Sadly, Malorian doesn't work for GW...

Wintermute
30-08-2010, 20:57
We already have a General White Dwarf Feedback Thread here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23972)

Thread Closed.

Wintermute