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mishari26
09-09-2010, 10:54
Hi,

this is in the Darkelf errata:

Page 102 – Ring of Hotek
Change to “Any Wizard (friend or foe) attempting to cast a
spell within 12" of the wearer must roll on the Miscast table on
any roll of a double, but will only cast a spell with irresistible
force on a roll of double 6.”

So, how does this work when the enemy caster is a Highelf carring Book of Hoeth (or Teclis)? (who get an IF if the roll has any double and meets the cast value)

the 2 rules seem to be in direct contradiction of each other.

but it also seems that the last part of the sentence is intended to clarify that the Miscast caused by the ring doesn't come with an IF..

Da Crusha
09-09-2010, 10:59
use the most important rule.

Atrahasis
09-09-2010, 11:01
What's annoying is that the underlined sentence is completely superfluous.

Da Crusha
09-09-2010, 11:10
hey look it''s addressed in the FAQ!

Q: What happens when there is a conflict between two magic items or
special rules? (p2)
A: Use ‘The Most Important Rule’

hehe

mishari26
09-09-2010, 11:13
What's annoying is that the underlined sentence is completely superfluous.

exactly Atrahasis, that's why I feel it was only intended to clarify that the Hotek Miscasts don't result from IF's.

theunwantedbeing
09-09-2010, 11:31
I say the ring negates the book, simply because the HE mage shouldn't be so stupid as to stand in range of the thing.

Macmiel
09-09-2010, 12:19
Player, whose turn is, decides...

Atrahasis
09-09-2010, 12:33
There are two explanations for your post, Macmiel:

1. You totally misunderstand the situations in which it is appropriate to apply the rule you paraphrase.

2. You think it's funny. It isn't.

havoc626
09-09-2010, 12:43
Also just to point out with Macmiel's rule suggestion, it would mean the book would give IF to spells cast by that character, as spells can't be cast in the other player's turn (some exceptions may apply).

Macmiel
09-09-2010, 12:59
Well, it was poor joking of GW standpoint on some matters, I admit.

However, back to the topic - the same You say about ring of hotek (refering to first post in the topic), You can also say about book of hoeth.
From errata:

Page 102 – Book of Hoeth
Change to “Any spell cast by the bearer will be cast with
irresistible force on any successful casting roll which is a
double, however it will only be considered a miscast if the roll
includes a double 6.”
For that kind of problems, GW advise to roll off each turn.

mishari26
09-09-2010, 14:14
haha nice catch Macmiel, I didn't bother to look there. but still..

I think the 2 sentences at the end of both items are just superfluous. they're just for explanatory and clarity reasons. not to be taken as "THA RAW" :P

Eldoriath
09-09-2010, 16:31
So, a model with the book in range of the ring will cast with IF and roll on the miscast table on any roll of a double. Simplest solution perhaps?

BramGaunt
09-09-2010, 16:37
Yep, that's right Eldoriat.

AlphariusOmegon20
09-09-2010, 16:40
Well, it was poor joking of GW standpoint on some matters, I admit.

However, back to the topic - the same You say about ring of hotek (refering to first post in the topic), You can also say about book of hoeth.
From errata:

For that kind of problems, GW advise to roll off each turn.

Actually no, GW's answer to the Teclis question (who has a similar ability to the book) and RoH meeting was Teclis gains the miscast rule on ALL doubles, but still IF's on those rolled doubles.

I asked GW about this question specifically the day after 8th came out because I play both DE and HE.