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slaanghoul
30-09-2010, 12:29
OK, im a bit confusion about the new close combat rule.

Say a unit of 5x5 empire spear men are charged by 5x5 orcs with 2 choppas. How many attacks does the spear men have?

The normal rules say that front rank (5 attacks) + 2nd rank (5 more attacks).... then what about spears? is it 3 rank +5 more attacks? so 15 attacks together?

The Extra rank is always the 3ranks right because all unite get to fight with 2 ranks now right?

JackDaw
30-09-2010, 12:52
Yeah you got that correct - front and second get all their attacks as per the normal rules, then the spears give an extra rank of attacks as well.

So that gives you 15 attacks in total, 16 if you have a champ.

Chris_
30-09-2010, 13:19
Yep, seems right. Spear gives you support attacks from an extra rank, horde formation gives yet another one. So 40 spearmen in a 10x4 formation can all attack!

slaanghoul
30-09-2010, 13:32
Yep, seems right. Spear gives you support attacks from an extra rank, horde formation gives yet another one. So 40 spearmen in a 10x4 formation can all attack!

OMG you are right.... wow. and now S3 can even hurt T10 on 6 so even if you are facing a unit of all T10 enemy.... a 40 goblin horde will hit 5+ = 14, then 2 would wound.... wow ...

crazy new rules...

JackDaw
30-09-2010, 14:46
Well, all 10 of the ranked models need to be in base-to-base contact to get their attacks, so youll only get all 40 attacks against enemy units with a frontage of 8 or more models or on bases big enough to touch your entire front rank.

The Besieger
01-10-2010, 08:23
Well, all 10 of the ranked models need to be in base-to-base contact to get their attacks, so youll only get all 40 attacks against enemy units with a frontage of 8 or more models or on bases big enough to touch your entire front rank.

its still good vs a frontage of 5 whit your 28 attacks :)

mishari26
02-10-2010, 06:14
and a horde of 10x5, 50 Highelf spearmen can all attack if charged :angel:

50 ASF rerollable attacks... now imagine this with miasma WS debuff to enemy, hitting on 3's (88% of them would hit, 44) ..... now imagine it with okkam's mindrazor..... :wtf:

Tae
02-10-2010, 09:29
Make it 10x5 Lothern Sea Guard and they can pump out 35 shots per turn until you charge them, when they get the 51 attacks with re-rolls to hit.

Yum.

Korraz
02-10-2010, 10:04
and a horde of 10x5, 50 Highelf spearmen can all attack if charged :angel:

50 ASF rerollable attacks... now imagine this with miasma WS debuff to enemy, hitting on 3's (88% of them would hit, 44) ..... now imagine it with okkam's mindrazor..... :wtf:

Now imagine the cost for a decently big unit, as 50 aren't enough since you lose effectiveness with every dead elf, and a mage with those spells.
Now imagine a mortar or trebuchet or even stone thrower bitchslapping that unit.

It's nice, but not as tough as it sound ;)