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Sedekiel
09-03-2006, 21:08
Apart from knowing that the Black Cuard is a Raven Guard succesor I know nothing else and believe me I have searched. Can anyone please help me out here ? I am interested in anything from chapter symbol to history...

Cheers fdr

DraXaus
09-03-2006, 22:04
Well, this is just a rumour, but I believe that the Black Guard serve and protect the Black Ship of the Inquision on their quest to supply the Astonomican with constant psykers. Most likely, they would be fleet based.

Also a rumour. The Black Guard use sizeable number of weregeld as shock troops in the same way the Blood Angels use Death Company.

Dranthar
10-03-2006, 04:50
Well, this is just a rumour, but I believe that the Black Guard serve and protect the Black Ship of the Inquision on their quest to supply the Astonomican with constant psykers. Most likely, they would be fleet based.

This is the first time I've heard of that.


Also a rumour. The Black Guard use sizeable number of weregeld as shock troops in the same way the Blood Angels use Death Company.

Also the first time I've heard of that. Do you possibly have a source for these rumors?

I did actually do a Black Guard army last year, using the 13th company list with the wufen representing the weregeld in the Raven Guard fluff. Back then I did do a search on any possible Black Guard info, but found nothing so I decided to make up my own.

Basically, I made them a fleet-based covert ops chapter who somehow got all the worst geneseed when the Raven Guard legion was split up (hence the presence of weregeld). They try to operate out of sight of the rest of the Imperium, and specialise in infiltrating and destroying enemy ships.

I have a whole mess of background I wrote for them.

When/if the rules for cursed founding chapters come out, I may bring my Black Guard out of retirement again - the 13th company rules can be a bit dull to use in my opinion

DraXaus
10-03-2006, 06:19
Like I said, they are just rumours. I heard this from another person in Bolter & Chainsword.

You can take it as it is, or not. But it's better than nothing...

Dranthar
10-03-2006, 07:19
Like I said, they are just rumours. I heard this from another person in Bolter & Chainsword.

You can take it as it is, or not. But it's better than nothing...

True, it is better than nothing...but I still won't take it seriously until I can find something official (like all rumours, I suppose :rolleyes: ).

It did seem strange in that it was very close to the background I've done for my Black Guard (Inquisitor Black ships aside).

Dakari-mane
10-03-2006, 08:39
How about you just make something up yourself? Afterall this hobby is about using your imagination.

You never know if you dont go over the top & actually make it believable GW might do an article on it & make it "official".

:chrome:

Sedekiel
10-03-2006, 11:18
I understand that this hobby is all about imagination but the chapter doesnt provide any info not even a chapter symbol.
About the doctrine the RG doctrine, about colour Black (dah), chapter symbol (revilers=skull, raptors=talon, RG=Raven) Black guard=a winged Skull ???

There can be no weregeld any more. The weregeld were not produced because of a gene seed problem but because of the experimantation on the gene seed. The ones that were created were all killed by Corax himself before he left the chapter.

Cheers fdr

boogle
10-03-2006, 12:48
that's not to say that the Black Guard didn't continue to produce them after he disappeared

SonOfMedusa
10-03-2006, 19:30
What was the fluff behind the weregeld?

Thanks,
SoM

Sedekiel
10-03-2006, 21:25
After the Istvaan V massacre Corax returned to Deliverance with few marines left and asked from the Chapters Apothecaries to create for him full grown marines through accelerated genetic manipulation. Of the Apothecaries' first creations, nothing is known for sure. The Raven Guard's records have been sealed with oaths and sigils of unspeakable power and none of the Chapter, or its successors, will speak more of those blighted days. Accounts culled from other sources are few and far between as the Raven Guard shunned the other Legions at this time, preferring to fight alone and unseen. One apocryphal tale is told by the Rune Priests of the Space Wolves, the so-called 'Saga of the Weregeld', which tells of ferocious monsters, drooling and almost insane with bloodlust, herded into combat by the battle brothers of the Raven Guard. Perhaps the Space Wolves' experiences with the curse of the Wulfen made them more sympathetic to the Raven Guard's plight as there is no record of them reporting the use of such forbidden technology. Barely one in ten of these abominations could even hold a bolt gun and yet amongst these there might be one in a hundred whose genetic structure was stable enough to develop into a fully-fledged Space Marine.

THE SAGA OF THE WEREGELD
Only on the darkest of nights do the Rune Priests of the Space Wolves tell the Saga of the Weregeld, a tale reaching back to the years of reconquest following the defeat of Horus` Traitor Legions. Over flickering fires, they tell of the storming of the Jarelphi Palace, one of the bloodiest battles to follow the victory on Terra. A force of Iron Warriors retreating from their defeat tokk refuge on the world of Sergatama VI and wrested control of the migthy fortress from the planet`s rulers. Led by one of the Iron Warriors` greatest champions, the traitors turned the once majestic palace into a nightmare assembly of bunkers, redoubts and pillboxes. Ornamental gardens, once the envy of Prandium itself, were scarred with miles of trenches and razorwire. More than a million men of the Imperial Guard laid siege to the palace, and the battles fought in the sprawling grounds of the palace were thankless and bloody, the traitors defending every metre of ground with ferocious tenacity. But, one by one, the gates leading to the inner keep fell, until only one last gate stood between the Space Wolves and final victory.

But the Iron Warriors are masters of siegecraft and, for all their bravery, the Space Wolves could not capture the gate. Time and time again, two mighty champions of the Iron Warriors would hurl the greatest of the Space Wolves from the gateway, and it seemed nothing could break the defence of the traitors. But as dawn broke on the hundredth day of the siege, warriors in black armour, their shoulder guards emblazoned with a white raven, arrived as if from thin air and assaulted the gateway, herding drooling and insane beasts before them. Horrifically misshapen, the monsters roared with howls of such mindless savagery that it chilled even the hearts of the Space wolves who remembered the curse of the Wulfen that existed within their own bodies. Nothing could halt the creartures, neither bullets nor blades, and they swept through the gateway, slaying anything that came within reach of their bloody claws. The Sons of Russ looked on, amazed as the beasts and the Raven Guard fought their way into the palace and broke the back of the Iron Warriors` defence. A bare handful of Iron Warriors escaped the slaughter, but many more died that day, torn to pieces by the Raven Guard`s bestial allies.

With the battle over, the Raven Guard vanished as suddenly as they had arrived, leaving only the dismembered corpses of those they had slain. Only within the walls of the Fang would those Space Wolves present that day speak of what they had seen, and whether they felt pity or revulsion at the sight of the ferocious beasts, who bore the unmistakable vestige of Humanity, is not recorded.

Cheers fdr

SonOfMedusa
10-03-2006, 21:46
Nice, I must have missed that piece of fluff some how.

Thanks,
SoM

Kasrkin 666
10-03-2006, 22:53
Wow,i'm lovin the Raven Guard all over again!:D
-666:cool: :cool: :cool:

hospitaller
10-03-2006, 23:24
I remember many years back an eavy metal painter doing a black guard fig, they are obviously mainly black but had red shoulder trim and I think that the chapter symbol was pretty much the same as the emperors children but in red. Hope that helps a little.

Dranthar
11-03-2006, 07:14
I painted my Black Guard in black armour, with dark red helmets (dark blue for the vets) and the entire left arm (inc. shoulderpad) painted dark purple. I didn't have the time or patience to paint a unique chapter symbol for them so I used a white "spade" (as in cards, like hearts, diamonds, etc) which I was able to get from the cadian decal sheet.
I'll see if I can get some pics up of them later.

As for background, I might as well put up what I've written myself;


Index Astartes – The Black Guard

Following the aftermath of the Horus Heresy, the Raven Guard gave rise to three successor chapters; the Raptors, Revilers, and the Black Guard. Of the three, it is the Black Guard chapter that is by far the most secretive, with the several Inquisitorial probes revealing very little information about them. What is known about the Black Guard is known by only a few individuals, gathered mainly from eye-witness accounts and brief interactions with the chapter.

The Black Guard are primarily a space-faring chapter. They have no apparent homeworld, instead basing their logistical operations in a massive Starfort located in an asteroid belt somewhere within the ultima segmentum. Recruits are presumably taken from nearby worlds in secrecy.

The more one discovers about the Black Guards gene seed, the more apparent it becomes why they lead such a secretive existence. The Raven Guard gene seed is widely known to be somewhat unstable - a result of the cloning procedures Corax undertook in desperation during Horus Heresy. But what little data has been recovered about the Black Guard, it is apparent that their own gene seed is several orders of magnitude worse. One would conclude that the recruiting process must be incredibly slow for the Black Guard, with most recruits either dieing on the operation table…or worse.
Probably the most disturbing information about the Black Guard is the rumours of these marines using what could only be described as hideous monstrosities within their ranks. Despite wearing the armour of a Black Guard marine, these creatures appear to behave more like animals in battle, moving with incredible speed and tearing their opponents apart with supernatural fury. During the Horus heresy, the Raven guard where suspected to have used similar beasts in battle, and were presumably the failed results of Corax’s cloning endeavours. The Space Wolves once referred to these creatures as the Weregeld, but the Black Guard simply call them the Cursed.

The low numbers and difficulty in acquiring supplies means that the Black Guard never make use of equipment and support weapons that may be difficult to maintain. Vehicles and land speeders have never been used by the Black Guard, with other equipment such as terminator armour, bikes and heavy weapons being in limited supply. To make up for this, each Black Guard marine appears to be trained and equipped extensively, with a great deal of smaller gear such as grenades, ammunition, and provisions enabling them to operate for months, even years without support.
From what is known about their combat doctrine, the Black Guard specialise in guerrilla warfare and close assaults, most especially within space hulks. Frigates and Destroyers are used in hit and run attacks to release boarding torpedos or use teleporters to get the Black Guard on board the target ship. From there, the marines either immediately take over and destroy the ship, or hide within the bowels of the vessel, making guerrilla style attacks and waiting until the opportune moment to make a final, decisive strike.
Planet-borne assaults are conducted in a similar manner, with the Black Guard preferring to operate within the close confines of jungles or hive cities rather than open terrain.


Keep in mind that I was using the 13th company list for my army, hence the reference to not using vehicles.
I have a much more detailed version of the above, but IMO it's a bit too tedious for my liking. :D

Spinsane
11-03-2006, 20:43
Keep in mind that I was using the 13th company list for my army, hence the reference to not using vehicles.
I have a much more detailed version of the above, but IMO it's a bit too tedious for my liking. :D

Mind if I loot that idea? I've been toying with the idea of playing Black Guard ( in one form or another ) for a while, and this looks like the one piece of fluff which would motivate me to go ahead with the project!

I'd probably be tempted to change some of the background you wrote ( I have come up with a few interesting ideas myself ) but the idea that they'd still be using the weregeld is so nice, I wish I'd have thought about it myself :D

TWB
11-03-2006, 21:12
that's not to say that the Black Guard didn't continue to produce them after he disappeared

Yes, It is, exactly that. Successors of the Ravenguard are hardly going to shrug off their Primarch's "Nevermore" oath for fun, the fact of the matter is that Corax alone knew the secrets to making the Weregeld and he took it upon himself to destroy them all The secrets and the Weregeld.

Heru Talon
12-03-2006, 01:11
chapter symbol (revilers=skull, raptors=talon, RG=Raven)

The Raptor's chapter symbol is the head of a bird of prey not a talon.

Tom
12-03-2006, 04:20
Black Guard colours are all black, symbol is a Portcullis, if Insignium Astartes serves me right.

Dranthar
12-03-2006, 09:47
Mind if I loot that idea? I've been toying with the idea of playing Black Guard ( in one form or another ) for a while, and this looks like the one piece of fluff which would motivate me to go ahead with the project!

I'd probably be tempted to change some of the background you wrote ( I have come up with a few interesting ideas myself ) but the idea that they'd still be using the weregeld is so nice, I wish I'd have thought about it myself :D

I have no problem with you borrowing my ideas. In fact, I'd be honoured if it provides you with the motivation to start your own black guard army. :D

If you want to directly copy any part of what I've written, I'd appreciate it if you quote the source (ie. myself) if you put it up anywhere (forum, submitted with tournament list, etc). Other than that, no problemo. ;)

Dranthar
18-03-2006, 10:13
If anybody is at all interested, here is the colour scheme I did for my own Black Guard. Obviously they aren't all black, but I felt I wanted to try a slightly more interesting colour scheme than just completely black. :rolleyes:

Black Guard Detail (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/Dranthar/P1010082.jpg)

Weregeld (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/Dranthar/P1010078.jpg)

Black Guard squad (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/Dranthar/P1010076.jpg)

Brother Othorio
18-03-2006, 15:14
Black Guard colours are all black, symbol is a Portcullis, if Insignium Astartes serves me right.

erm.. do you have a page number on that? i dont see any mention of them

Heru Talon
18-03-2006, 22:40
erm.. do you have a page number on that? i dont see any mention of them

There isn't any mention of them in the book unfortunately.