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Mondo80
10-10-2010, 23:11
IF aliens made contact with our world (in the UN, on live TV saying "Hi we want to be friends") how many of us would still keep playing Warhammer 40k because they like the game?

Lord Malorne
10-10-2010, 23:24
Erm... all of us :eyebrows:

Heero-Severus
10-10-2010, 23:30
No one plays 40k because they like the game.... we just play to bitch about the rules and getting ripped off about GW. is the actual question "if aliens landed and wanted to be friends, would people start liking 40k?" the answer would still be no.

Geep
11-10-2010, 02:04
So... the OP is suggesting we only play 40k as a way to express some deep xenophobia?
I've never played with human army- maybe I should try to join these aliens and start a war against the humans I clearly hate?

Nuggan
11-10-2010, 02:19
So... the OP is suggesting we only play 40k as a way to express some deep xenophobia?
I've never played with human army- maybe I should try to join these aliens and start a war against the humans I clearly hate?

Only if they have pointy helmets or hooves.

hobodog
11-10-2010, 02:24
:wtf:
I dont seem to understand this question. I dont think it would change anything. Why would it?

Gatsby
11-10-2010, 02:30
short of aliens coming to earth, handing me the keys to one of there spaceships and saying you are now god of your world, nothing would change.

on that note, I am in fact hoping that the above comes to fruition. In fact, it represents my retirement plans.

Mondo80
11-10-2010, 03:34
I see the confusion, my point is that now that aliens are real, whats the point of playing a game that features aliens? Scifi just becomes fiction.

Woodsman
11-10-2010, 03:41
So no one plays with model humans?

Angelust
11-10-2010, 03:48
Um, if Tyranids and Orks came to our worlds, I think all of us would stop playing 40k pretty soon.

But otherwise, people play historical wargames a lot too, so meh...

TheLaughingGod
11-10-2010, 05:07
I don't understand the OP.

carldooley
11-10-2010, 05:18
Um, if Tyranids and Orks came to our worlds, I think all of us would stop playing 40k pretty soon..

bah. . .
We just need the ones that are already here to wake up! (Go Necrons) :eek:

Lord of Divine Slaughter
11-10-2010, 05:33
... Scifi just becomes fiction.

Sci-fi is short for science fiction - that is; made up stories about technology's impact on life as we know it, as it opens up new perspectives and possibilities. And also the birthplace of many radical ideas, such as the communication satelite, the internet and other crazy stuff.

So first, your statement 'fiction becomes fiction' is gibberish.

Next 40K stories has nothing to do with science fiction. It is space opera fantasy pulp literature just as Star Wars and Harry Potter. Noone cares for the science of 40K, its the supermen and chicks with guns and big-ass explosions and tanks people go for.

So your question is akin to asking whether people would stop readin' Harry Potter if aliens arrived, and the answer would is: "No, people will stop playing 40K, the day the entire human race wakes and decides that porn is a waste of time, and enroll in philosophy classes around the globe - incidentally that will be the same day, when god finally gives up on his creation and decides to start all over with a clean slate :)

AFnord
11-10-2010, 06:27
I see the confusion, my point is that now that aliens are real, whats the point of playing a game that features aliens? Scifi just becomes fiction.
People still read and enjoy many old sci-fi books, even though they are outdated and unrealistic. War of the worlds for an is a great book.... but we now know that aliens did not invade earth during the late 19th century.

Egaeus
11-10-2010, 06:27
So your question is akin to asking whether people would stop readin' Harry Potter if aliens arrived, and the answer would is: "No, people will stop playing 40K, the day the entire human race wakes and decides that porn is a waste of time, and enroll in philosophy classes around the globe - incidentally that will be the same day, when god finally gives up on his creation and decides to start all over with a clean slate :)

Wouldn't your statement be more proper if it was "Would people stop reading Harry Potter if it was proved conclusively that magic was real ala Dungeons and Dragons (as there are people that believe magic is real already)?"

I think the discussion in both cases might turn more on the comparisons of what the speculative people got right or wrong. "Hey, those aliens are just like [insert appropriate author's name]'s aliens!" Personally I find it highly incredulous that "actual aliens" would end up being like anything found in 40K...is part of the question the concern for what said aliens would think of us for playing this type of game? If so, wouldn't this be an indictment against the whole entertainment industry since much of our "Science Fiction" is still very much humanocentric. But since that's all we really know, can we really be blamed?

Tethylis
11-10-2010, 06:32
Do you mean if aliens turned up and they were 40k players would I continue to play against them, the alien players? Sure I would, I am not prejudice against any semi sentient non-terrestrial organic lifeform, just so long as they dont play more ***** Space Marines!

Ail-Shan
11-10-2010, 06:41
my point is that now that aliens are real

It's interesting that this implies that aliens aren't real until we see them/know of their existence.

But away from that, no matter who's on Earth, my Eldar are still going to smash some Space Wolves into the ground.

J-rock
11-10-2010, 08:33
People always stop playing WWII games as soon as they find out that Germany is real place.

totgeboren
11-10-2010, 08:58
Did people stop watching Star Trek as soon as we got automatic sliding doors and cellphones?

LawrencePhillips
11-10-2010, 09:06
I think if Aliens came here one of two things would happen. We'd decide they're too different of have something we want and try to kill them, getting anhillated as a result or the Alients would decide that we're to different or we have something they want and anhillate us.

After all if you're gonna go to the effort of crossing space and time, you want something out of it. Getting what you want usually involves violence at some level. So no, there will be no one playing 40k, or anthing else for that matter.

AndrewGPaul
11-10-2010, 09:07
Wouldn't your statement be more proper if it was "Would people stop reading Harry Potter if it was proved conclusively that magic was real ala Dungeons and Dragons (as there are people that believe magic is real already)?"

No, that's not his point. 40K bears about as much similarity to reality as Harry Potter does; why would you give up the former rather than the latter?

As to the OP, people play historicalk wargames, or wargames with a pulp adventure setting, or historical fantasy. They seem to get on fine without agonising over the philosophical ramifications of recreating existing reality. All wargames are fiction, but I don't understand why this would be a bad thing.

Godzooky
11-10-2010, 09:14
I completely understand this logic.

I had a friend who immediately stopped playing Hungry, Hungry Hippos after he went on safari... :shifty:

Lysander The Great
11-10-2010, 11:45
Um, if Tyranids and Orks came to our worlds, I think all of us would stop playing 40k pretty soon.

But otherwise, people play historical wargames a lot too, so meh...

It's funny you say that because me and the local Venomthrope are always playing 40k although he keeps drooling on the table and melting half of my troops!? :mad:



People always stop playing WWII games as soon as they find out that Germany is real place.

Hold the boat..! Are you saying that Germany is real...?? :wtf:

Hrw-Amen
11-10-2010, 12:06
I think if Tyranids or Orks came to our world we would all be too busy fighting a real life W40K battle to have time to worry about playing it in our spare time if we had any.

Other than that, if a 'real' universe alien species came along, then it may enable GW to introduce a new race into the game both as a model range and as customers. You never know the aliens may love collecting and playing W40K. Perhaps they have been monitoring the airwaves and have picked up on W40K from the radio/net wherever and they are making there way here right now just in time for the new DE release so they can be first in line at whatever towns GW store they land in!

Alternatively they may look just like Tau, Orks or whatever but be nothing like them and wonder why we are giving them such a bad press.

Perhaps we should ask if/when the aliens arrive would be willing to give them a game of W40K? Perhaps that would then determine whether or not we keep playing.

Grimtuff
11-10-2010, 12:14
Hold the boat..! Are you saying that Germany is real...?? :wtf:

Yes, it's where all germs come from. Duh! :p

Lord of Divine Slaughter
11-10-2010, 12:16
Wouldn't your statement be more proper if it was "Would people stop reading Harry Potter if it was proved conclusively that magic was real ala Dungeons and Dragons (as there are people that believe magic is real already)?"

Nope, they both belong in the fantasy section - far from science fiction :)

And really it wasn't fair of me to compare Harry Potter with the pulp trash GW publishes as novels. 40K novels barely surpass the Twilight series in banality :p

Aiwass
11-10-2010, 12:24
Other than that, if a 'real' universe alien species came along, then it may enable GW to introduce a new race into the game both as a model range and as customers.

All we need is just an alien race with ubertech complaining about why his codex is a crap writed by Ward & Cruddace teamwork.

Gatsby
11-10-2010, 12:27
All we need is just an alien race with ubertech complaining about why his codex is a crap writed by Ward & Cruddace teamwork.

that could wind up being the solution to said codex crap:evilgrin:

Lordmonkey
11-10-2010, 12:55
Hold the boat..! Are you saying that Germany is real...?? :wtf:

Propaganda and lies*. Don't believe everything you hear on the internet!

*This may or may not be a lie.

Pacific
11-10-2010, 15:15
Well, aside from the fact they would probably read the comments sections on youtube, and then decide to either wipe us out or put warning bouys in space so no other species came into contact with us..

carldooley
11-10-2010, 17:52
I've heard it said that the Pentagon has action plans for every contingency in a folder somewhere. Everything from being visited by a Black Ship (the psyker hunters for the emperor) to being invaded by fluffy pink bunnies from space - imagine the hilarity that would ensue if they published some of the more outlandish ones? Imagine being the Ops Officer that gets to read all the crap that BL puts out and making Ops Orders for if anything from the 40k universe visits Earth?

actually, try reading this (http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0671319418/0671319418.htm) chapter - if we were visited, we'd have all our fiction writers disappear into a black hole.

Joustarr
11-10-2010, 18:30
I see the confusion, my point is that now that aliens are real, whats the point of playing a game that features aliens? Scifi just becomes fiction.

I think I can see your point. 40k background would loose it's impact if Aliens turned up. What makes 40k aliens so great is using our collective immagination to create and play with them. When first contact is made we stop wondering and start having age old questions answered. If they are beneficial it blows 40k away as aliens would be our friends. The 'exterminate all xenos' angle of 40k might be seen as damaging relations, as we are clearly fantasising killing them. If the aliens are evil and warlike then they would make the most dangerous 40k aliens seem silly in comparison.
I'd probably keep playing wargames, but first contact would probably oocupy my time as it would totally change the world.

carldooley
11-10-2010, 18:40
I think I can see your point. 40k background would loose it's impact if Aliens turned up. What makes 40k aliens so great is using our collective immagination to create and play with them. When first contact is made we stop wondering and start having age old questions answered. If they are beneficial it blows 40k away as aliens would be our friends. The 'exterminate all xenos' angle of 40k might be seen as damaging relations, as we are clearly fantasising killing them. If the aliens are evil and warlike then they would make the most dangerous 40k aliens seem silly in comparison.
I'd probably keep playing wargames, but first contact would probably oocupy my time as it would totally change the world.

nah, the aliens would make it a point to play as IG, and then lose every game when playing against xenos. :p

Aiwass
11-10-2010, 21:38
Anyway I think that if they were real and come here, soon rather than later they want to kill us. If we can't respect each other (trolling), having wars about stupid things (trolling epic mode), actual genocides (nerd raging), and so on I don't think that they even consider let us live xD

Krovin-Rezh
11-10-2010, 22:34
If aliens came to earth and were an everyday part of life, it would still be cool to play as and battle aliens in various scifi settings. There would still be the idea of other aliens besides the ones we would know. Now, if we were worried about diplomacy (ie they want to be friends and not melt our brains), some alien concepts that have too much of a similarity might eventually fall out of favor.

Bestaltan
11-10-2010, 22:50
GW causes an intergalactic incident when they sue the aliens for use of plasma weapon technology. GW sites intellectual domain.......

insectum7
11-10-2010, 23:13
Alien race plasma blasts GW law department.

ForgottenLore
11-10-2010, 23:20
And the fan community rejoices

Loopstah
11-10-2010, 23:28
Being more advanced than us (I assume this, as they manage to cross vast distances and reach us), it's likely they will have developed a completely loophole free, balanced, enjoyable table top wargame with crystal clear intuitive rules with no cause for arguments or disharmony while playing the game, and with miniatures that they replicate from waste products so they cost nothing, they even pay you to use the miniatures.

Humanity would then abandon 40K for this new alien wargame for about 2 weeks until they broke it, introduced power lists and began complaining that having to actually produce their own waste to make miniatures from was too much effort and too costly.

Joustarr
11-10-2010, 23:52
Being more advanced than us (I assume this, as they manage to cross vast distances and reach us), it's likely they will have developed a completely loophole free, balanced, enjoyable table top wargame with crystal clear intuitive rules with no cause for arguments or disharmony while playing the game, and with miniatures that they replicate from waste products so they cost nothing, they even pay you to use the miniatures.

Many a true word said in jest. At least I think part of your post was intended to be satirical. But you're probably right none the less; if they are more advanced scientifically, then it follows that their play would also be more advanced. Perhaps 40k would intrigue them. Wargamming is quite mentally and artistically challenging. A beneficial alien race would probably try to make contact with the more intellegent parts of humanity, that might include one of us?
Think about it, we read a hell of alot - at least one codex and rule book. We do plenty of maths; army lists, during battle etc. Many of us have a great knowledge of history, usefull as 40k uses some historical basis. Then there is the tactics, improvisation, etc. I could go on.


nah, the aliens would make it a point to play as IG, and then lose every game when playing against xenos. :p

My friend the only response I can give to that is LOL. Because I did - thanks.

Mondo80
12-10-2010, 00:57
I think I can see your point. 40k background would loose it's impact if Aliens turned up. What makes 40k aliens so great is using our collective immagination to create and play with them. When first contact is made we stop wondering and start having age old questions answered. If they are beneficial it blows 40k away as aliens would be our friends. The 'exterminate all xenos' angle of 40k might be seen as damaging relations, as we are clearly fantasising killing them. If the aliens are evil and warlike then they would make the most dangerous 40k aliens seem silly in comparison.
I'd probably keep playing wargames, but first contact would probably oocupy my time as it would totally change the world.

He's got it :)

ehlijen
12-10-2010, 01:02
I think I can see your point. 40k background would loose it's impact if Aliens turned up. What makes 40k aliens so great is using our collective immagination to create and play with them. When first contact is made we stop wondering and start having age old questions answered. If they are beneficial it blows 40k away as aliens would be our friends. The 'exterminate all xenos' angle of 40k might be seen as damaging relations, as we are clearly fantasising killing them. If the aliens are evil and warlike then they would make the most dangerous 40k aliens seem silly in comparison.
I'd probably keep playing wargames, but first contact would probably oocupy my time as it would totally change the world.

I don't think so. I sincerly hope that most people agree with me when I say I don't want the future to be like 40k! We play the game despite it showing us a future we very much would hate.

I don't think anyone seriously believes 40k is an accurate depiction of the future any more than LotR is an accurate depiction of the past.

Whatever history turns out to be, 40k will still just be a fun game with a trashtastic background for nerds to enjoy.