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Wolf 11x
27-10-2010, 17:30
Hey all,

I believe I'm pretty well set on 1000 and 1500. Of course, now it's time to look at 2000. Here is what I've come up with so far:

High Elves - 2000
Archmage - Silver Wand, Talisman of Preservation
Noble - Battle Standard Bearer, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix
19 Spearmen - Full Command
20 Spearmen - Standard Bearer, Musician
10 Archers - Musician
7 Swordmasters
7 Swordmasters
14 White Lions - Standard Bearer, Musician, Banner of Eternal Flame
14 Phoenix Guard - Standard Bearer, Musician
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Reapeter Bolt Thrower
Great Eagle
Great Eagle
Total - 1965

I am knowingly taking Archers and RBTs because I want variety. I realize 2 x 25 Spearmen is more tactical, but that just doesn't interest me. Also, my RBTs are one of my favorite units in the High Elf army book. My small Swordmaster units have always gotten the job done and I see nothing to be gained by adding ranks to the units.

As you can see, I have exactly 35 points to spare. Some options for the remaining points include trying to add Folariath's Robes or a magic banner for the Phoenix Guard. I'm not certain I need both Eagles.

Thoughts?

Wolf 11x
28-10-2010, 04:33
Here is a potential revision:

High Elves - 2000
Archmage - Silver Wand, Guardian Phoenix, Ring of Fury
Noble - Battle Standard Bearer, Armor of Caledor, Dawnstone
19 Spearmen - Full Command
20 Spearmen - Musician, Standard Bearer
10 Archers - Musician
7 Swordmasters
7 Swordmasters
14 White Lions - Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Eternal Flame
14 Phoenix Guard - Musician, Standard Bearer, Standard of Discipline
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Great Eagle
Great Eagle
Total - 2000

TheMaster
28-10-2010, 04:44
I would think that a unit of 14 swordsmen ranked up in 2x7 would perform better than 2 units of 7

Pointy Headed Elven Paladin
28-10-2010, 05:34
Here is a potential revision:

High Elves - 2000
Archmage - Silver Wand, Guardian Phoenix, Ring of Fury
Noble - Battle Standard Bearer, Armor of Caledor, Dawnstone
19 Spearmen - Full Command
20 Spearmen - Musician, Standard Bearer
10 Archers - Musician
7 Swordmasters
7 Swordmasters
14 White Lions - Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Eternal Flame
14 Phoenix Guard - Musician, Standard Bearer, Standard of Discipline
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Great Eagle
Great Eagle
Total - 2000

IMO I would either form the SMs into one unit (less vulnerable that way and keeps the army from taking needless panic tests should they get wiped out from a single round of shooting or magic) or use them to increase the number of figures in your PG & WL units to give them numbers to increase the ranks and make them more survivable in close combat. Other than that it looks fairly balanced to me.

TheMaster
28-10-2010, 07:09
If it was me i'd make a unit of 32 spearmen and deploy them 8x4

Pointy Headed Elven Paladin
28-10-2010, 08:21
If it was me i'd make a unit of 32 spearmen and deploy them 8x4

In this case I think it a matter of whether he can afford to have one big HE spearman unit or 2 smaller ones at almost the same size as the bigger unit. Since he doesn't have a large number of regiments I think have 2 medium blocks of spearmen isn't such a bad idea.

Even having the 7 man SMs units wouldn't be so bad if he would be facing an army that didn't have range weapons (say Chaos Warriors for instance) or playing at a smaller point scale but against Wood Elves, Dwarves, & Empire that just free points because it would be so easy to break such a small unit via panic or just wiping them out totally at range or with magic.

Wolf 11x
29-10-2010, 05:33
Here is an updated list:

High Elves - 2000
Archmage - Level 4, Silver Wand, Talisman of Preservation
Noble - Battle Standard Bearer, Great Weapon, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix
19 Spearmen - Full Command
20 Spearmen - Full Command
10 Archers - Musician
7 Swordmasters
7 Swordmasters
14 White Lions - Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Eternal Flame
14 Phoenix Guard - Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Arcane Protection
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Great Eagle
Great Eagle
Total - 2000

Thoughts?

Jazzaar
29-10-2010, 16:15
I would put the swordmen in one unit of 14. 7 is just to weak.

Wolf 11x
29-10-2010, 17:33
I'm doing the math off the top of my head here, but I believe this would be exactly 2000:

High Elves - 2000
Archmage - Level 4, Silver Wand, Talisman of Preservation
Noble - Battle Standard Bearer, Great Weapon, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix
29 Spearmen - Full Command
10 Archers - Musician
10 Archers - Musician
7 Swordmasters
7 Swordmasters
14 White Lions - Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Eternal Flame
14 Phoenix Guard - Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Arcane Protection
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Great Eagle
Great Eagle
Total - 2000

I am not opposed to dropping a unit of 7 Swordmasters for 105 points. However, I currently don't own more Phoenix Guard and I only have 2 more White Lions.

I don't see how combining the Swordmasters gives the unit any real gain. This means they can threaten one less target, are deployed at once, draw twice as much fire, and lose an attack each from the 2nd rank.

mastrchief33
30-10-2010, 02:06
I don't see how combining the Swordmasters gives the unit any real gain. This means they can threaten one less target, are deployed at once, draw twice as much fire, and lose an attack each from the 2nd rank.

Smart players target sword masters before they can reach combat. It's not hard to deal with sword masters since they die to everything, but having such small units means you really can't afford to take any casualties if you want to get any use out of them. The point is, if they draw twice as much fire when combined than they do when split, the same amount of fire is still going into sword masters and not the rest of your army. The difference is that one 14 strong unit is harder to wipe out in one turn than one of the two 7 strong units when you have them split, and even one or two casualties to a 7 strong unit severely lessens their effectiveness.

thesheriff
30-10-2010, 19:33
Anouther issue is that you dont ahve enough Pg's to form an effective wizard bunker. 20+ is waht i would consider. 14 is to small in my opinion.

thesheriff

Wolf 11x
31-10-2010, 16:09
Here is a revised list:

High Elves - 2000
Archmage - Level 4, Silver Wand, Talisman of Preservation, Folariath's Robes
Noble - Battle Standard Bearer, Great Weapon, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix
29 Spearmen - Musician, Standard Bearer
10 Archers - Musician
10 Archers - Musician
14 White Lions - Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Eternal Flame
19 Phoenix Guard - Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Arcane Protection
5 Dragon Princes
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Repeater Bolt Thrower
Great Eagle
Total - 2000

RELWOF
01-11-2010, 12:16
Can you even run units of 7 sword masters I thought min unit size was 10 ?

mastrchief33
01-11-2010, 17:22
minimum unit size is 5 for sword masters.