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Xenthick
05-11-2010, 04:15
Hey,

Thinking of starting up a warriors army and trying to make a 2000 pt army list using the new rulebook. Been having a little trouble with it but heres what I have.

Side Note: trying to make my army Tzeentch themed but I want to make it competitive, so try and keep that in mind when giving suggestions.

Lords/Heroes;

Sorcerer Lord, Lvl 4 Wiz, Mark of Tzeentch, Infernal puppet

Exalted Hero, Shield, battle standard, chaos steed, fury of the blood god
(yes i am aware that fury of the blood god is a Khorne gift, but I like the way it boosts the 6+ ward save from mark of tzeentch to a 4+ against the likes of lore of metal. Hero goes with unit of knights)

Core;

2 groups of 10 warhounds as escort for knights and warriors

Chaos warriors x 14 shield, mark of tzeentch, full command (sorcerer lord goes here)

Chaos warriors x 15 shields, mark of tzeentch, full command

Special;

Chaos Knights x 5 mark of tzeentch, full command, banner of rage

Rare;

Chaos warshrine x 2 w/ mark of tzeentch

Hellcannon

Thats the whole list. I think the rare choices are 505 pts which is 5 pts over the new 25% restriction but the guys i play with are reasonable about small point discrepancies. Total point cost 1996 points. Let me know what you think should be done with this to make it work better.

logan054
05-11-2010, 04:48
Well its a good start however I think you could make a lot of changes that would really improve the list overall.

Sorcerer Lord - I think you could add a lot of think to this guy, the most important is a wardsave, he really needs at least a 4+ wardsave (including MoT). I would also be tempted by a enchanted shields and spell familar, personally I think these are far more important than infernal puppet.


BSB - Why not just give him collar of khorne, he gets a proper wardsave of 5+ and then 3+ against direct damage spells, its only 5pts more, I would also be tempted to give him a magical weapon, even the sword of swift slaying would be good. My other concern is why is he mounted, he needs to be in the center of your army, he is no good down the flank with the cavalry.

Chaos Hounds - I can see why you have made them 10 strong however you have to honest, a unit of 10 T3 models will never reach a flank without losing a models, You would be better of 3 smaller units (5/6)

Chaos Warriors - I dont think you want two units with just HW+SH, you going to have the problem that you don't have many units that can deal any real damage in combat. I would make both units 17, give one unit halberds, stick you BSB in one and your sorcerer in the other. Mayebe put the blasted standard or +1 ldr banner on your sorcerers unit.

Chaos Knights - If you remove the BSB from the unit then they certainly do not need a champion, honest I would b tempted to go with lichebone standard on them.

Warshrines - You really don't need two, I would drop one, make your army legal and get some trolls, they are a amazing unit, keep them near your BSB and they are fine

Evil Hypnotist
05-11-2010, 08:16
get some trolls, they are a amazing unit, keep them near your BSB and they are fine

Do you mean general? Having a re-roll on Ld4 isn't going to make much difference IMO, if you are thinking trolls why not keep the BSB on his steed and have him lead the trolls in the centre. They should be benefitting from your near-by general's Ld and the re-roll, plus of your general is killed they will still have an Ld of 9(?) for their stupidity tests instead of 4.

Xenthick
05-11-2010, 11:52
@ logan - I like some of your ideas but I have a few questions. If I do as you suggest with the lord and hero wouldent that take me over the 500 pt restriction? Also, the reason for the bsb being in
With the knights is to try and protect them from magic such as lore of metal. Don't like the idea of them falling to magic like that.
I like the idea of trolls and the changes to the warriors. Thanks a lot keep it coming.

Eta
05-11-2010, 13:07
@ logan - I like some of your ideas but I have a few questions. If I do as you suggest with the lord and hero wouldent that take me over the 500 pt restriction?

No, it would not. You can have up to 500 points in lord choices and up to 500 points in hero choices in a 2,000 points army.

Greetings
Eta

logan054
05-11-2010, 14:26
Do you mean general? Having a re-roll on Ld4 isn't going to make much difference IMO, if you are thinking trolls why not keep the BSB on his steed and have him lead the trolls in the centre. They should be benefitting from your near-by general's Ld and the re-roll, plus of your general is killed they will still have an Ld of 9(?) for their stupidity tests instead of 4.

Yes they should be benefiting, I thought that was pretty obvious, so obvious I thought it was one of those things that you didn't need to say ;) me personally I put my BSB and sorcerer in the same unit however I know some people don't like to have so many points in a single unit. The thing with trolls is they draw a lot of attention, the problem with the BSB in the trolls is no LoS roll which just makes him a easy target, if you playing blood and glory you ate making it far to easy for the other guy.


@ logan - I like some of your ideas but I have a few questions. If I do as you suggest with the lord and hero wouldent that take me over the 500 pt restriction? Also, the reason for the bsb being in
With the knights is to try and protect them from magic such as lore of metal. Don't like the idea of them falling to magic like that.
I like the idea of trolls and the changes to the warriors. Thanks a lot keep it coming.

As ETA said you have 25% heroes, 25% lords so no :P If you are putting a BSB with you knights you are seriously playing it wrong, when I use knight I just a additional hero to lead them, I don't even give mine a banner, MoK, exalted Helm of many eyes, Sword of might, I really cannot stress how important re-rolling all leadership test is to your big block of warriors.