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kyussinchains
12-11-2010, 20:12
I was doing a bit of a stock-take of my miniatures today, so I can plan out my next purchases and whatnot, and I worked out that my Dark Elf collection is approximately 9100 points in total, yet the largest legal (8th edition) army I can make is only 6000 points....

My ogres on the other hand, make a fully legal 3456 point army...

so, how many points of a certain race do you have in total, and what is the biggest legal army you could make without resorting to loads of minimum sized core units with full command and options....?

just how many points would you have sitting on the sideline at any one point?

Just curious..... :)

Tae
12-11-2010, 20:15
DoC I have a 2,000 point army which could stretch to about 2,500 and would still be legal.
WoC I have a 2,000 point army which could stretch to about 2,500 and would still be legal.
DE I have a 2,000 point army which could stretch to about 2,500 and would still be legal.

:)

herohammer
12-11-2010, 20:30
Ogres I am accumulating enough to reach 3000 points this Christmas. 3500 if I really stretched character item loadouts to max and scratch built a scrap launcher.

I used to have 1500 to 2000 points of Beastmen using the old 6th edition Beasts of Chaos book. Between the removal of marks, chaos ogres/trolls/dragon ogres, and bestigors moving to special I only have enough to legally field like 750 points of guys :(

I have around 1500 points of empire that I am pretty sure is still legal at 1500 to 1750 since everything in the army is core except for characters, a STank, and a cannon. I do not have the newest version of the empire book though.

I still have like 500 points of skaven who have been spared being chopped up for use as basing material and heads on standards.

decker_cky
12-11-2010, 20:41
My beastmen at a quickcount could have roughly 2800 points of core if I took Ghorros to make my centigors core. With characters maxed (options for 6 different shamans, 4 different beastlord/wargors, 4 different doombulls/gorebulls), 7 big rare choices (2 cygors, 2 ghorgons, 1 Jabberslythe, 1 giant) and tons of spawn (15-20), 30ish minotaurs, 60ish bestigors and 7 razorgors (dragon ogres), I have lots of options to fill out the remaining 75% of the army, which means I can do 11,000 pts fairly easily.

Xzazzarai
12-11-2010, 20:45
I have about 5000 pts of Dark Elves - all can be fielded in a legal army.

D'Haran
12-11-2010, 20:57
I'm really only limited by core atm, what with the new rules HE players scrambled to field enough core. That said I can field 10000 points legally, about 2k in heroes, min core, most of the rest is in special with about 1k for rare.

Total points probably run me up to 15k

(yes i have 2.5k worth of seaguard and seaguard conversion, works out to roughly 175 models)

Wyrmnax
12-11-2010, 21:00
Umm.... about 4k on HE. Not enough core to support more than that. Pratically any point added to the core would add 4 to the total of my army for ~1000 more points, then i would start lacking in other areas.

Plexxi
12-11-2010, 21:02
I could pretty easily do a legal 13K. Not that hard with severely overpriced Wood Elves though.

ickthander
12-11-2010, 21:12
I have around 7000 points of Warriors of Chaos, and could field that legally, and probably cheese it out and make it 8000 or more with all the extras, maybe a little more.

huinipachutli
12-11-2010, 21:23
I can do an atleast 15000pts lizardmen army, but then ill have to dig up my retired models.

I have about 200 5th edition plastic saurus warriors at my desposal, so... yeah. "gloat"

Zaonite
12-11-2010, 21:26
I have roughly 7000 points worth of High Elves, of which I could manage at 4000 without too much hassle. (More spearmen are on the way!

My Brets however near the 5500 point mark, this time with getting towards 4000 points legal.

DwD
12-11-2010, 21:27
Would love to see some pictures in this thread, should be massive armies if you guys can reach above 7K points.

I'm only at like 4K or so but then it wouldnt be legal cause as a high elf player I need so many lothern sea guards T_T

Lord of Divine Slaughter
12-11-2010, 22:48
4000 we
4000 vc
5000 de

Nuada
12-11-2010, 23:04
13,000 Orc & Goblins (it would be a legal army as well. I have a lot of orcs)
4,000 High Elves (small games)

....Wood Elves i think was 3 or 4,000.... but selling them to make some space

DivineVisitor
12-11-2010, 23:14
I could field all 6k points of my Empire in a legal army.

My Daemons on the other hand could barley scratch 2k in a legal force from the 3-4k i have available.

reddevil18
12-11-2010, 23:18
I have about 15000 points of WoC
Highest legal army i can make is 8000 but thats stretching everything out.

papabearshane
12-11-2010, 23:25
22,823 (With out unit/char upgrades and magic items) Points of O&Gs I can make a Core that would be good for up to 14,000 Points or so.

Love my Gobbos

RanaldLoec
12-11-2010, 23:43
22,823 (With out unit/char upgrades and magic items) Points of O&Gs I can make a Core that would be good for up to 14,000 Points or so.

Love my Gobbos

Oohhh I would love to play a game Empire vs Orks.

Sitting on about 12000 points of Empire and only 40 fully painted models.:(

5k woodelves

All legal 8th ed armys.

Far far too many state troops to paint

honorandglory
13-11-2010, 00:07
I own 35.000 points of Chaos, with about 22,000 painted, all of it legal on the tabletop(execpt the converted Mumak,warmammoth)

Once a year we do a Chaos vs the game store megabattle at the LGS. I breakout my Deamons(8500pts) to help if the numbers get way out of hand.It is quite a blast to see all of The Legion of the Seven Seals on the tabletop at once. i'll take some pics next time,which should be in February.

Chris_
13-11-2010, 00:59
I own 35.000 points of Chaos, with about 22,000 painted, all of it legal on the tabletop(execpt the converted Mumak,warmammoth)

Once a year we do a Chaos vs the game store megabattle at the LGS. I breakout my Deamons(8500pts) to help if the numbers get way out of hand.It is quite a blast to see all of The Legion of the Seven Seals on the tabletop at once. i'll take some pics next time,which should be in February.Nice, looking forward to see some of that :) Gotta take like forever (at least a whole weekend) to play that out.

Myself I can just barely get together a 2.5k army of Tomb Kings, maybe 3k for all models in total.

starlight
13-11-2010, 01:35
My 3,000pt Snotling Horde is no longer legal, but it was built that way when it was...:(...however I can add at least 3,000pts of Goblins...:shifty:...and another 3,000pts of Orcs...:shifty:...and a few other odds and ends...:shifty:...call it 10,000pts of Greenskins. :D


I can put together about 6,000pts of Minotaurs, but I'm considering doing a *counts as* Ogre Kingdom list with suitable conversions so that'll eat into the Minotaur total...


40K is a whole 'nuther kettle of scary totals... :shifty:

AMWOOD co
13-11-2010, 03:16
I honestly stopped counting my greenskins. I've fielded greenskin armies of 3000 points using orcs OR goblins, let alone both. I have probably about 400 goblin and night goblin models and near 20 models I can use for characters (or bosses) including Skarsnik. Then there's about 140 Orcs, Black Orcs and Savage Orcs and about 10 more characters including Grimgor. Add war machines, squigs I haven't used in ages, 2 chariots, a giant, some trolls, a pump wagon...

And no, you can't have any (heheh).

Chaos... 1600 pts of Warriors, Marauders (Beastmen as proxies) and Marauder Horsemen (plus Marks, plus Magic Banners), plus some knights, chariots, characters, spawn and that same giant. So I guess the largest legal army I can build is somewhere around 6500-7000. But, since I have Archaon, Galrauch, a Daemon Prince Conversion, 2 manticores, and a character on a chariot, the largest non-legal army I can build is much larger.

Ethriel
13-11-2010, 03:48
For my Highelfs, I believe I have around 8000pts...can legally make 3000 barely.

For my Brets I have around 8000pts, and it's legal but not painted or completely built.

imperailgriffin
13-11-2010, 03:55
Played a game vs Great mate over a weekend 78 000 points a side (7th ed) Good vs evil so Empire, Elves, and Dwarves. Vs lizards and Orcs and Gobbos with about some skaven and Chaos thrown in as well, High lights 6 Dragons on the good side all on one flank, Infernal gateway, sucked Tyrion and 15 dragon princes into the warp. and a block of 80 iron Breakers with Thorgrim holding the center. But man of the match was Archon he was just un beatable once he got into combat, he was continually over running into fresh units.

the table was 20ft long by 4 ft wide, units were 3 to 4 deep whole deployment zone. unfortunately we decided that the game was way to big and unwieldy, no room for Manoeuvring, and have decided to only play 5000pts a side for big games from now on.

stazba
13-11-2010, 05:52
@imperailgriffin

Whaaaaaa? Pictures please! That many points and people you must have some!

The Blue Guy
13-11-2010, 10:11
Sitting on about 12000 points of Empire and only 40 fully painted models.:(Dude...


I own 35.000 points of Chaos, with about 22,000 painted, all of it legal on the tabletop(execpt the converted Mumak,warmammoth)Dude! :eek:

I should make Mrs Blue read this thread - she's giving me grief about my (modest) 9000 points of O&G...

frapermax
13-11-2010, 10:17
DE: total 6K, legal 4,5k
O and G: 5-6K, legal 5K
Dwarves: 4k, legal 3,5k
Beasts: 3K, legal 2,5 K
WoC: 3K, legal 3K
Ogres: 4K, legal 4K
VC: 3,5K, legal 3K
HE: 4,5K, legal 3K
Lizards: 4k, legal 3,5K
Empire: 5K, legal 5K
Skaven: 1K, legal 1K

That's about 40K of fantasy models :p
I could only take DE, Orcs and Goblins and Ogres to tournaments that require fully painted armies. Rest is about half painted but slowly progressing. I'm getting at a stage now where it is fun to paint new additions to every army. I don't convert much, only some characters and easy to do things. Focusing on getting Beasts ready now. I aim to get a legal 2,4K list ready first, then I start adding units for variation. The only armies that haven't seen any paint yet are Skaven and Lizards. I'm a rather slow but steady painter, so there is hope...
FPM

WarmbloodedLizard
13-11-2010, 10:46
Lizardmen: 4.5k, legal ~5.5-6k
Ogres: 2.5k, legal ~3k

(all normal sized units)

I could not attend tournaments above 1200pts that require painted armies.

Braad
13-11-2010, 11:33
Orcs and goblins: 9500 points of pure legality (with our house rules, that also means its painted)

I got 2000 points more in painted stuff (all extra characters) and about 1500 pts unpainted.

kyussinchains
13-11-2010, 11:46
ok, I would love to see pics of these armies! I'm feeling like ranking up all my Dark Elves for an army shot or two..... I'm also wondering what Harry has available.....

so far then, 35k of chaos seems to be our biggest... can anyone beat that???

King_Pash
13-11-2010, 12:28
GW must love you guys. Buying 100+ models of that, 7000+ pts of another. Surprised they don't have a loyalty scheme for some of you..

decker_cky
13-11-2010, 16:09
GW must love you guys. Buying 100+ models of that, 7000+ pts of another. Surprised they don't have a loyalty scheme for some of you..

They used to have a loyalty scheme when I was starting out.


Dude...

Dude! :eek:

I should make Mrs Blue read this thread - she's giving me grief about my (modest) 9000 points of O&G...

I'm pretty sure 9000 pts of O&G is more models than 22,000 pts of Warriors. :P

papabearshane
13-11-2010, 16:23
500+ Gobbos of all sorts and 250+ Orcs of all sorts and a huge supply of extras.

My only Beef is where am I going to use my 7 Wyvern Airforce?

GW dose need to do something for those of us who have an addiction for little plastic Dudes.

2 for one pricing is my 2 cent thought :-)

Lord Malorne
13-11-2010, 16:57
23,080 pts of legal WoC.

DaemonReign
13-11-2010, 17:01
I'll list the legal armies in our group:

DoC 20k (as Legal 8th Ed build).
Dwarves ~6k
Empire ~7k
VC ~5k
OnG ~6k
DE ~10k

The DoC collection is "my own" (the other five armies I just throw stuff into as it comes to me... a horde of Grave Guard here, a Stank there, that sort of thing... the Dwarf collection is the only one I haven't bought/painted anything for.

The DoC collection is mostly painted. On my signature-link you can see what it looked like about a year ago. I gotta paint some core-models in order to reach those 20k as a legal army - currently I would probably only reach about 12k with the stuff I've got painted.

The other armies are a patch-work of painted and unpainted stuff - between 50 and 70%. This is because these collections are much older than the DoC I started about 2 years ago. The OnG collection, for example, is largely the "added-to" remnants of the List me and a friend started more than 15 years ago. A lot of dusty old collectables in that one..

My current plan is to "finnish" my 20k DoC army and then proceed to help my friends make the other races in our group able to rank up some healthy opposition.:D

Painting was much more "erratic" back in the day.

Lord_Elric
13-11-2010, 17:02
GW must love you guys. Buying 100+ models of that, 7000+ pts of another. Surprised they don't have a loyalty scheme for some of you..

yeh i used to work for them back when as an employee you were able to buy models by "weight"

i however have no idea what i currently have upstairs but im scared to go look up the loft lol

kyussinchains
13-11-2010, 19:39
what is the current staff discount then? I assume the 'buy by weight' went out the window when they started making a loss.....

edit: I remember the Skullz loyalty scheme, unfortunately it had about 3 things you would actually want (well, that I would want, I had no desire for a bust or coffee mug that I would be embarassed to be seen drinking from...)

I'm surprised that they NEVER have a sale of any sort on, I wonder if their profit margins are really so slim they wouldn't make any money on it....

starlight
13-11-2010, 19:46
No, they don't run sales because they found that the sales didn't change overall sales (which is the point of the sale). If he sale was announced in advance, people simply stopped saving and waited for the sale. If not, purchasing didn't change much because GW's target audience (kids) don't usually have large cash reserves.

What GW *has* done is announce price increases ahead of time to allow those who can to stock up as sort of a reverse sale.

But no, GW doesn't do sales because sales don't increase GW's income overall.

RanaldLoec
14-11-2010, 00:04
I've been collecting my beloved Empire since 1993 I'm nearing 29. The only thing I've spent more money on is booze, burgers, the car and my Wife.

Here's a completely unrelated tip:

It is possible to get a really pretty girlfriend while collecting and playing with model knights and dragons.

The secret is don't tell her until she's your wife:)

Just kidding

starlight
14-11-2010, 00:10
It is possible to get a really pretty girlfriend while collecting and playing with model knights and dragons.

The secret is don't tell her until she's your wife:)

Just kidding


It worked for me... :) ...until she left and took the armies with her... :cries:


Oh well, there are other tolerant redheads out there...:shifty:

Lord_Elric
14-11-2010, 00:11
what is the current staff discount then? I assume the 'buy by weight' went out the window when they started making a loss.....

edit: I remember the Skullz loyalty scheme, unfortunately it had about 3 things you would actually want (well, that I would want, I had no desire for a bust or coffee mug that I would be embarassed to be seen drinking from...)

I'm surprised that they NEVER have a sale of any sort on, I wonder if their profit margins are really so slim they wouldn't make any money on it....

theres no point to sales in gw cus people buy what they need for their armys anyway there arnt many people who walk into a gw shop and buy something on impulse...

pay by weight went out a fair few years ago not cus gw made any losses but just cus lol probably had too many staff reselling stuff (something the size of say the mounted chaos lord in metal cost bout 3-5 quid)...

Ratbeast
14-11-2010, 00:14
Most my armies got screwed with 25 percent core!!! but i can make about, 4k points of skaven, 4k points of VCs, thats it, the others are in need of rebuilding :( poor DE especailly

Bingo the Fun Monkey
14-11-2010, 00:46
My O/G collection is approximately 6500 points. I can legally field 4500 due to core limitations (although the 38 orc boyz coming in the mail should help).

King_Pash
14-11-2010, 01:52
For that want to know, the current GW discount for staff is 50%. Oh and a free White Dwarf every month. Yeay..

Torpedo Vegas
14-11-2010, 03:01
I can field about 4500 points of Empire if I stretch it.
I can field about 2250 points of Ogres.
I can filed roughly a 1000 points of Brettonians.
Yes, I tend to buy models solely to build armies, but I tend to run themed armies, so they aren't all super cookie cutter.

RMacDeezy
15-11-2010, 00:08
Here's a completely unrelated tip:

It is possible to get a really pretty girlfriend while collecting and playing with model knights and dragons.

The secret is don't tell her until she's your wife:)

Just kidding

QFT! i even had to listen to my girlfriend talk trash on her dad's hobby of "painting weird little men." later when we were married, i surprised her by getting a box of flamers in the mail. boy was she PISSED! but we're married now so MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

edit: oh yeah back on topic, 5k DoC for me, all legal

Von Lust44
15-11-2010, 09:13
QFT! i even had to listen to my girlfriend talk trash on her dad's hobby of "painting weird little men." later when we were married, i surprised her by getting a box of flamers in the mail. boy was she PISSED! but we're married now so MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

edit: oh yeah back on topic, 5k DoC for me, all legal

Haha.. My girl asked if she could come and cheer for me in games..

Living the dream..

On topic 4.5k points of Vamps but can get up to 6 if im super keen

Lord Shadowheart
15-11-2010, 11:58
Warriors of Chaos would be my biggest, haven't tottaled up the points since hordes of chaos, but I could legally hit around 16k pts, I can probably hit around 8k or so legally now.

Got at least 1k legal armies for pretty much every race except Daemons, Vampires, Tomb kings and Skaven. I do have around 2.5k's worth of daemons but thats just Greater daemons, some screamers and a few bloodletters from the old hordes of chaos days.

Little Joe
15-11-2010, 12:54
Based on available core units:
Goblins: about 5000 points
Vampire Counts: 5480 points
Dwarfs: 7952 points
Dwarfs would have about 1000 points in additional units, with a lot of heroes left over for all three of them. Goblins could go higher if I had more units.
If fully painted is included in legally it would just be about 3000 points of goblins.:( The other two armies units are in various states of being rebuilt/redone, VC still mostly on the sprue.

Novrain
15-11-2010, 12:55
I have about 10k of Empire and about 7.5k of Dwarves both legal lists, and could be made bigger if i stretched the characters / magic items. Way more than 25% core for each.

And a boyfriend that approves and condones my hobby, while making me promise never to make him paint any of it :D

passwordman
15-11-2010, 21:17
In my Dwarf army right now I have about 12,000 points not including heroes, lords or upgrades for units. I have about 45% in core, 37% in special and 17% in rare. If I were to add the lords, heroes and upgrades it would probably be in the region of 16,000 points as I have over 100 models that could be used as heroes or lords.

I also have a two stepped plan for increasing the size of the army. The first step would see an increase of about 5,000 in core and special and the second step would see another 8,000 increase in core and special. The rare doesn't go up as I have no plans for more flame cannons, gyrocopters or organ guns. The first step would only see about 1% increase in core, a 4% increase in special and a 4%decrease in rare. The second step would see an 8% increase in core, and a 4% decrease in both special and rare. Ofcourse this does not include upgrades so rare will still go down because they can't have runes or engineers, but special could easily add 1,000 or more points with their access to runic banners as well as having to pay higher cost for command models.

Desert Rain
15-11-2010, 22:41
I have about 9000 points of high elves, very roughly estimated. I can make a legal army of 4000 points since I have just over 1000 points in core units.

Malorian
15-11-2010, 23:07
I have a bit over 10,000 of lizardmen, but my limiting factor is too little core and too many characters.

I could most likely only make a legal army of 6,000.