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Marduk
14-03-2006, 05:29
This is not about GW bringing back vets night or how they treat the customers or rules problems for that matter. its about their products in general both past and present, what sort of things would you guys like to see or bring back, here are some of things I would like to see product wise...

1- A return of sideline styles such as marauder and other sculptors styles like jes goodwin, imo jes and the morrisons are the best GW has had and continues to have! I understand Citadel/GW bought them up/merged them with their current mini style but I would love marauder to exist how it used to.

2- Codex/Army books returning to larger "fluff" sizes or having more content so that the cost of the book ( and quality within ) continues GW's past attention to detail and feels like its a book over a glossy thick cover magazine called an army book! also the possibilty of them being hardback even if its just an "ok" hardback, if other game companies can do it so can GW ( and they have in the form of LE WD gimicks! ). I know some people treat their rulesbooks like they are nothing more then a throw around rules lookup and they are in truth but I like to keep my books in good condition too, softcover books are prone to alot of damage.

3- More plastic options that go hand in hand with rules variations, what I mean by this is that certain sprues out there exist which ( for whatever reason but probably sales hehe ) do not contain enough parts to model or display the correct parts, ie: not enough cavalry hammers in a box to make 8 official WW or not enough bows/xbows with the militia to make enough as you have men in a box also a continuation of the 40k upgrade sprue trend only for chaos warriors or god specific parts, things like this would please me alot.

4- Better SG support, many of the SG games I love more then the core games and I would personaly love a revamped or returned Space Hulk and Warhammer Quest ( I know all about the HD mess up and Jervis talk over the price to reprint the boards ), I believe these games were super fun and would help to get alot of new people into the core games because both games support most of the core ranges, little johnny gets some gobos or dark elves for WQ and then he says "I got a few now so I want to start an army for FB!" this I think would work great for sales and would explore those more RP elements or other areas that mordheim ( while awsome ) is missing.

5- This one ties in with army books BUT I really think GW should do a new Realm Of Chaos in two books as a tribute to the old books, covering fb and 40k seeing as Chaos is pretty popular and the orginals were some of the best books GW ever produced ( including the artwork style and much more mature content you vets know what Im talking about ), this would take up alot of time but if done right it could last a number of years...it may be harder to do something like this today though because of GW's size and timeframes...

6- Evolved rules expansions for the core games! Things like in depth add on rulesbooks for 40k and FB that cover kill team or skirmish, I was playing Front Mission 4 last night and was thinking about how detailed it is for tweaking and personalisng your mech pilots and said to myself would it not be awsome if you could customize your 40k squads or favored regiments in fb in a campaign sense that had tons and tons of options over the months so that nobody really had clones of their kill teams ? yea mordheim and necromunda have similar things but what they lack is the RP content that WQ has and both those games are limited in the models you can use from both settings...one is mostly lowbie gangs with arbites the other is mercs and other less big hitters from fb. I would also expand these books to cover more hardcore vets who would be into rules more along the lines of 2nd ed 40k, sure it takes longer to play but those options would be nice for those who want them!

SuperBeast
14-03-2006, 08:52
1- A return of sideline styles such as marauder and other sculptors styles like jes goodwin, imo jes and the morrisons are the best GW has had and continues to have! I understand Citadel/GW bought them up/merged them with their current mini style but I would love marauder to exist how it used to. Never gonna happen. Jes Goodwin (IIRC) is now production manager for the studio or something similar. He still gets involved in sculpting on his "baby" ranges (Eldar/Marines/etc.)
If you'd seen the quality of the Morrison's recent work, you wouldn't want Marauder back, either.


3- More plastic options that go hand in hand with rules variations, what I mean by this is that certain sprues out there exist which ( for whatever reason but probably sales hehe ) do not contain enough parts to model or display the correct parts, ie: not enough cavalry hammers in a box to make 8 official WW or not enough bows/xbows with the militia to make enough as you have men in a box also a continuation of the 40k upgrade sprue trend only for chaos warriors or god specific parts, things like this would please me alot.The Empire Knights box was a long, long time ago.
GW's plastics have become a lot better since then, and what you're suggesting has been a mission aim for some time.


4- Better SG support, many of the SG games I love more then the core games and I would personaly love a revamped or returned Space Hulk and Warhammer Quest ( I know all about the HD mess up and Jervis talk over the price to reprint the boards ), I believe these games were super fun and would help to get alot of new people into the core games because both games support most of the core ranges, little johnny gets some gobos or dark elves for WQ and then he says "I got a few now so I want to start an army for FB!" this I think would work great for sales and would explore those more RP elements or other areas that mordheim ( while awsome ) is missing.
So many games, so little time. There's a reason they're called 'specialist' games.


5- This one ties in with army books BUT I really think GW should do a new Realm Of Chaos in two books as a tribute to the old books, covering fb and 40k seeing as Chaos is pretty popular and the orginals were some of the best books GW ever produced ( including the artwork style and much more mature content you vets know what Im talking about ), this would take up alot of time but if done right it could last a number of years...it may be harder to do something like this today though because of GW's size and timeframes...
Won't happen. GW have gone to great lengths to distance the 40k and WFB universes, and as the games now have completely differing rule sets is even less likely. Your best bet is to check out the Liber Chaotica, but these are simply background books, not rules generation.


6- Evolved rules expansions for the core games! Things like in depth add on rulesbooks for 40k and FB that cover kill team or skirmish, I was playing Front Mission 4 last night and was thinking about how detailed it is for tweaking and personalisng your mech pilots and said to myself would it not be awsome if you could customize your 40k squads or favored regiments in fb in a campaign sense that had tons and tons of options over the months so that nobody really had clones of their kill teams ? yea mordheim and necromunda have similar things but what they lack is the RP content that WQ has and both those games are limited in the models you can use from both settings...one is mostly lowbie gangs with arbites the other is mercs and other less big hitters from fb. I would also expand these books to cover more hardcore vets who would be into rules more along the lines of 2nd ed 40k, sure it takes longer to play but those options would be nice for those who want them!
If this ever happens, it'll be Specialist Games. But even that's (highly) unlikely.

The Judge
14-03-2006, 16:11
I agree with SuperBeast.

The plastics are certainly better nowadays - an the ones that are problematic will soon be changed. (well, maybe not the chaos god-specific sprues...)

boogle
14-03-2006, 22:24
we'll see the God Specific sprues in time (i'm betting Khorne are the 1st)

tzeentchgiant
15-03-2006, 00:02
Boogle, I suspect, is correct in that respect.

TG

Bronn Durgan
15-03-2006, 01:09
Jes= Legendary
Morrisons=Painful

I would like to see a return of the side games like Warhammer Quest, Mordheim, and I don't mean the games themselves, just new side games that
explore other aspects of the races or characters of the WH world.

Akronas
15-03-2006, 04:17
I disagree,

Ally Morisson has produced lots of terrific stuff in the "Golden" and "Silver" age. Sure, his style might be a bit dusty now (10-15 years later), but GW owe him a lot.

BTW, Marauder blisters were, IMHO, some of the best and satisfying miniature blisters ever produced. I wish GW would take some inspiration from their past to bring back more life in their blister range instead of just using them as an "accessory" to their plastic range.

But hey, knowing their policy regarding plastic, I don't nurture any delusion. However, whether they like it or not, it's the metal miniatures in blisters packs that made GW what they are now.

Akronas

BlazeXI
15-03-2006, 08:29
3- More plastic options that go hand in hand with rules variations, what I mean by this is that certain sprues out there exist which ( for whatever reason but probably sales hehe ) do not contain enough parts to model or display the correct parts, ie: not enough cavalry hammers in a box to make 8 official WW or not enough bows/xbows with the militia to make enough as you have men in a box also a continuation of the 40k upgrade sprue trend only for chaos warriors or god specific parts, things like this would please me alot.



The knights regiment had 2 middenheim/hairy sprues whan I have bought it several years ago. Has GW reduced it to one over the time?
As to Militia it is probably my favoutire Regiment in entire Warhammer range. Offering huge diversity, really excellent. It would be impossible to incerase the number of Bows and crossbows on those sprues without getting rid of other stuff.
Besides who would want to field a 20-ty man strong crossbow unit
Moreover this boxed set is converters dream. I used one for my Sylvanian zombies long before the Pirate list. And I was not too original by doing so.


As to Marauder, those minis were awsome. Dwarfs (MB1 regiment:angel: ) skeletons, giant and the splendid cartoonish Pegasus....
Have to get the last one for my Empire!

As to Chaos Book, I'd like to see a big fat WHFB book for all chaos worshipers,
Mortals, Daemons, Beastmen, Beasts and Chaos Dwarfs.
Highly impossible though, because it would be impossible to sell so much new minis at one period.

Marduk
15-03-2006, 09:27
No you are right it does have 2 hairy head sprues, what it does not have ( and the rules are very specific about this in the empire book and I think some faqs ) is enough CAVALRY hammers, it has 1 or 2 per sprue if I remember but its probably only one, I mean the actual TWO HANDED hammers not the dinky obvious different head one handed hammers which are all on the sprue.

Its sorta how the Khorne Berzerkers only come with around 4 chainaxes and GW supposedly said later that they all count as khornate chainweapons now ( still not 100% sure on this official stance ), this is ok with house rules and stuff but for tournies and wyswyg freaks it can be a huge pain, especialy if you like creating true fluff units.

As far as the militia no I am not suggesting alot would take that many and I do like that plastic set just these little options would be nice, glad to see there is some marauder fans still out there.

snurl
16-03-2006, 06:58
I think the Marauder range was great. Same with Kev Adams line.
Why not do some new lines?

Pertinax
16-03-2006, 08:38
I think we have to ask "Are such lines/ranges actually economically viable? And would they be large enough in sales volume to justify the production costs of it?"

Probably not.

USABOB
16-03-2006, 09:48
For products it would BE nice if they built another part to their warehouse so they could start stocking specialist games bits again.
Just a thought, since their big excuse for not stocking SG bits no more was because the lack of space :confused: .

Misfratz
16-03-2006, 10:23
..it does not have ( and the rules are very specific about this in the empire book and I think some faqs ) is enough CAVALRY hammers, it has 1 or 2 per sprue if I remember but its probably only one, I mean the actual TWO HANDED hammers not the dinky obvious different head one handed hammers which are all on the sprue.Eh?!? Are you saying what I think you're saying?

What do you think those 'other' hammers are for then? Aren't the White Wolves allowed to take one of their hands of the hammers periodically? Or do you imagine their hands are fused to the hammers in some weird Ulrican ritual?

If you look at the GW studio White Wolves [eg in the Empire army book] you'll find that they use all the different hammers on the sprue - including one-handed ones.

Please tell me that you were only joking. I don't think I could deal with people being so anal around me in real life.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
16-03-2006, 13:24
Okay, stuff to remember....

Empire Militia, and Hairy Head sprues were originally designed for MORDHEIM, to represent your Warband and that. They were then put to good use in the Empire list. Hence any restrictions (like not that many Crossbows and Bows).

The Specialist Games are getting more support than they would have, had Fanatic not been setup, on a shoestring. From what I understand, it's now being brought back into the main company, so what that will bring I don't know. Certainly, the main problem with Fanatic was the sporadic nature of it's releases....

The Ape
16-03-2006, 13:35
At Marduk - If someone doesnt let you use the single handed hammers on your White Wolves, then you are playing with the wrong kind of person!!!

Re: Specialist Games - the releases were sporadic because they had to "buy" internally the services of the Studio (thats how it was explained to me) and they only had a very small budget. Now that its part of the Studio again, they are going to be releasing stuff twice a year - which isnt great but if it keeps EA and BFG alive then its better than nowt!

Marduk
16-03-2006, 14:30
Eh?!? Are you saying what I think you're saying?

What do you think those 'other' hammers are for then? Aren't the White Wolves allowed to take one of their hands of the hammers periodically? Or do you imagine their hands are fused to the hammers in some weird Ulrican ritual?

If you look at the GW studio White Wolves [eg in the Empire army book] you'll find that they use all the different hammers on the sprue - including one-handed ones.

Please tell me that you were only joking. I don't think I could deal with people being so anal around me in real life.

Ok me personaly I would not and do not have a problem with anyone using the current model sprues and I would not suggest anyone insist on such a rule, however...

It is VERY clear that the pre empire knights sprue which is known as the hairy heads was made for mordheim and yes I understand that but a Cavalry hammer is indeed very large compared to the dinky little one handed ones that dominate the sprue and you can compare the two handed ones that come with it, it makes it very clear that these do take two hands to use, I never said anything about them not taking their hands off when they obviously impact their targets with them, but coming from someone who takes alot of pride in modeling and making their armies very themed or fluffy, yes its a let down to me, because there is no way in hell they could hold these tiny hammers with two hands!

Put it to you this way, if you had a regiment who clearly uses great swords or two handed swords and the models themselves are armed with clear depictions of smaller one handed versions, its a little funny right ? nothing anal about that, what would be anal if I said to you or another player who has the current ones, oh I wont play you cause blah blah blah, thats not what I am saying here.

Considering SOC got white wolf on foot ( considering WW are semi special knight unit too ), who actually look the part compared to the mediocre plastic conversion in a box jobs, ah hell I am just a little angry they did not release metal WW and the old ones are too out of date looking, here is hoping the new empire line is done right.