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Dr Bannana
05-12-2010, 09:55
Ive written this list to play for fun, including some of my favourite units.

Ive gone (very) light on characters to get more infantry.

I dont mind losing, but would like to win some of the time.

Master 130
Crimson death
Armour of Darkness

Sorceress 160
Lv2
Sacraficial dagger

Death hag 225
Cauldron of Blood
Battle Standard

5 Dark Riders 131
Xbows
Musician and Standard

6 Dark Riders 153
Xbows
Musician and Standard

39 Spearmen 288
Command
Shields

40 Witch elves 425
Command

14 Executioners 213
Command
MR(1) Banner (forgot the name)

Hydra 175

Hydra 175

Hydra 175

The plan is to advance with the main force, using the Dark Riders to harry the falnks, war machines, etc and protcet the CoB if it is threatened.

1 Hydra goes with the Spearmen, 1 With the Witch elves, and the third wherever it is needed.

The Exes are for Dragon-slaying and killing heavy cavalry.

the Witch Elves are the main damage unit, backed up by the CoB and the Hydra(s).

The Spearmen are for Holding the enemy in place and providing a safe(ish) place for the few Characters.

PS go easy - I am very "inexperienced", to put it lightly. :)

Dr Bannana
05-12-2010, 10:50
Just realised that three Hydras are illeagal :rolleyes:

That Means I have 175 points to play with.

Maybe Cold ones or more characters?

rob_appo
05-12-2010, 11:20
More executioners and give wm the allways strikes first banner ?

Dr Bannana
05-12-2010, 11:27
Problem with ASF banner on exes is that it costs 160 pts on its own (as they have a magic banner limit of 25pts), and even then she (the bsb) has no save, or 5+ ward for 30 pts.

Might consider more exes though:)

Dr Bannana
05-12-2010, 11:44
ok, using ur suggestion:

2250

no hydra -175

2075

no master -130

1945

bsb w/ asf banner & 5+ ward (dont pay for the bsb upgrade itself, just remove it from the CoB) +155

2100

15 more Exes +180

2280

Need to lose 30pts

either the ward or three WEs

What do u think guys?

Grim Tuesday
05-12-2010, 12:42
I would have thought you could lose three WE without much trouble, the back rank is only to absorb casualties anyway.

For the executioners, are you planning on running them in horde? If not, I would encourage you to do so, especially with the bonuses that the cauldron can provide.

Dr Bannana
05-12-2010, 12:57
For the executioners, are you planning on running them in horde?

Yes. 6x5 units are obselete now imo.

Updated list Summary:

Pros:
3 hordes: Warriors (40), Witch Elves (37, 3 missing off the back rank) and Executioners (30).
2 Hydras to Support.
CoB protected by spare unit of Dark Riders if needs be.

Cons:
Low on Characters - No Lords, though the Heroes are OK: CoB, BSB and Sorc.
CoB must be the General.
I have no idea what i'm doing. ;)

Updated List:

Death Hag BSB 160
Hag Graef Banner
Dance of Doom

Sorceress 185
Lv2
Sacraficial dagger
Terrifying mask of EEE

Death hag 200
Cauldron of Blood

5 Dark Riders 131
Xbows
Musician and Standard

6 Dark Riders 153
Xbows
Musician and Standard

38 Spearmen 281
Command
Shields

37 Witch elves 395
Command

29 Executioners 393
Command
MR(1) Banner (forgot the name)

Hydra 175

Hydra 175

EDIT:
Whipped out the calculator, the total is 2230.

Option 1: Take off a Spearman, Give the Sorceress the Terrifying(cant spell either :)) mask of EEE (total 2248)
Option 2: Add 2 Witch Elves (total 2250)

Inclined to go with #1 because terror will help the spears out in (or of) combat

Changes in red

Grim Tuesday
05-12-2010, 19:32
Terror only comes into play when you charge, meaning that your spearmen unit - which I imagine would be mainly on bodyguard duty - would need to be on the offensive to make use of it. I would be more inclined to take the banner of murder with the spare points- on either the WE or spearmen to make their shed load of attacks even better.

Gooner
06-12-2010, 01:24
I still dont like the idea of the bsb hag, imo just drop mask from the sorc and turn the cauldron back into the bsb , then use your left over points to add more execs and witch elves. both of these units will be stubburn hopfully and either one can have the ward save so will be hard to kill.

ps i like the idea of the MR banner so they get a 4+ save , but still feel MR has its problems in that it isnt usefull against enough spells, i would keep it though because it will probly save more than 1 exec and thats all its wurth in points to drop it so good plan overal.

Dr Bannana
06-12-2010, 07:49
OK Here's another option:

Master 130
Crimson death
Armour of Darkness

Sorceress 160
Lv2
Sacraficial dagger

Death hag 225
Cauldron of Blood
Battle Standard

5 Dark Riders 131
Xbows
Musician and Standard

6 Dark Riders 153
Xbows
Musician and Standard

39 Spearmen 288
Command
Shields

37 Witch elves 420
Command
Banner of Murder

30 Executioners 393
Command
MR(1) Banner (forgot the name)

Hydra 175

Hydra 175

Total: 2250

3 Hordes, 2 Hydras, CoB and Fast Cavalry.

Tempted to agree with gooner - no ASL on the Exes will not help them win back her value in points before she dies, and when she does die (quite early - 2 wounds with a 5+ ward on a main combat unit = death) the enemy gets an extra 100pts for the BSB.

Thanks for all your advice!:)

Gooner
06-12-2010, 16:03
I would be inclined to give the master the pendant of kadeth and a halberd instead of what he has. halberd makes gim st5 and doesnt strike last for like 6 points or somthing and the pendant gives him an amazing ward save coupled with just mundane armour he can get 4+ save. anything that hits him weak gives him a decent armour save and desent ward. anything that hits him hard gives him no armour save and a 2+ ward save so hes basically unkillable.

rob_appo
06-12-2010, 20:32
Yes for 35 points that thing is amazing, but it will make your opponent scream cheese although admitidly still is n my list