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johnmcl7
05-12-2010, 12:02
I've had a search but can't seem to find any other topics on this, has anyone else noticed how often Tancred is used as a name for completely different people? In the first Grey Knights book Tancred is a Grey Knight Terminator, in the Blood Angels books he's a Word Bearer Traitor marine, in Innocence Proves Nothing, he's a rogue Psyker and in Ravenor Tancred's a planet. It seems odd to have any name so prominently several times over unless it's the Warhammer equivalent of the name 'John'!

John

Shnerg
05-12-2010, 12:18
Right. First, think about what the book focuses on, and then check this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tancred .
If there is any resemblance to a given subject, even if only slight, then that's your answer.

Lothlanathorian
05-12-2010, 12:31
Also, Tankred was the name of the Black Templars Dread in the comic that Dan Abnett wrote.

shadowhawk2008
05-12-2010, 13:45
Kind of like how there is Lord Commander Eidolon of the Emperor's Children Legion and there is a planet named Eidolon somewhere in the Imperium.

abasio
05-12-2010, 14:37
And a demon world in the EOT too.

Nazerth
05-12-2010, 15:04
At least none of them have been named Tancred Tancredi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tancred_Tancredi) :D

So far!

johnmcl7
05-12-2010, 15:38
Right. First, think about what the book focuses on, and then check this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tancred .
If there is any resemblance to a given subject, even if only slight, then that's your answer.

I wouldn't say so particularly not in the case of a planet.

John

sigur
05-12-2010, 15:47
It's about as bad as with the Luciusses (sp :p ) around 2002 to 2006.

shadowhawk2008
05-12-2010, 16:57
I wouldn't say so particularly not in the case of a planet.

John

popular names get used a lot

Lupe
05-12-2010, 19:49
popular names get used a lot

Well, for every uninspired writer, there would probably be a lot of uninspired parents out there in the galaxy :)

And besides, fluffwise, there's nothing wrong about them being named after the same famous warrior of ancient times, right? Just like how Alexander is a pretty popular name (and likely the most popular across all of South-Eastern Europe, an area covering a dozen countries and probably even more languages, and more ethnic groups than I'd like to count, by the way), just because some bloke with the same name happened to be all the rage some 26 hundred years ago...

Son of Morkai
05-12-2010, 20:39
Tancred is like cowbell. You always need more Tancred.

Sinisterfence
06-12-2010, 20:27
does anyone think it's strange that there are so many Matt's in the world? Matt Damon, Matt Davies, Matt(hew) Fox, Matt Groening...

madprophet
06-12-2010, 23:19
In the 41st millennium Tancred = John :D

Popular names get used a lot. How many men are named John, Jacob, Alexander, William, Daniel, or Anthony (these are the most popular male given names in the USA)? How many women are named Mary, Emily, Rachel, Sarah, or Chloe?

For a while, it seemed every other girl was named Tiffany or Brittany. My kids are unusual because they inherited their names from honored ancestors (it's an old Jewish custom) and thus have rather old school names but in general, naming fads like that do happen. Tancred means "good advice" or "wise adviser" - in 1963-64 lots of boys were named John... owing to the Kennedy assassination. Maybe something happened involving a popular figure named Tancred?

Crazy Ivan
07-12-2010, 11:28
In the 41st millennium Tancred = John :D

Popular names get used a lot. How many men are named John, Jacob, Alexander, William, Daniel, or Anthony (these are the most popular male given names in the USA)? How many women are named Mary, Emily, Rachel, Sarah, or Chloe?

For a while, it seemed every other girl was named Tiffany or Brittany. My kids are unusual because they inherited their names from honored ancestors (it's an old Jewish custom) and thus have rather old school names but in general, naming fads like that do happen. Tancred means "good advice" or "wise adviser" - in 1963-64 lots of boys were named John... owing to the Kennedy assassination. Maybe something happened involving a popular figure named Tancred?
As many (older) western names are based off (the Greek/Latin versions of) the names of christian saints and biblical figures, since quite early, this has caused the effect that parents named their childeren after a saint, who then may him/herself have become a saint which had other people naming their childeren after this newer saint (or the older one, as the case may be). In the case of John, just say how many christian saints called "John" are listed on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_John_(disambiguation)) (not counting, for exaple, the 21 popes and 3 anti-popes that have called themselves "John" too...)!

Besides this there is the age-old tradition of people naming their childeren after themselves, their own parents, or other ancestors, most apparent in royal and noble families who have to add numbers to keep them all apart. :p

So I'd agree that Tancred (wasn't some Black Templar called this as well?) was probably originally the name of some popular figure and it just snow-balled from there (in universe).

shadowhawk2008
07-12-2010, 11:35
So I'd agree that Tancred (wasn't some Black Templar called this as well?) was probably originally the name of some popular figure and it just snow-balled from there (in universe).

It was the name of the Black Templars Dreadnought that featured prominently in the Damnation Crusade comic book story.

madprophet
08-12-2010, 06:45
It was the name of the Black Templars Dreadnought that featured prominently in the Damnation Crusade comic book story.

Case in point. A marine has to be uberheroic to warrant placing him in a dreadnought so it would make sense that the BT Tancred was a popular hero. :D

Ramius4
08-12-2010, 15:39
Our world has much less people than an entire galaxy full of worlds, yet my name is Doug and I work with three... Yes three, other Dougs.

I don't fine name repetition silly at all.

SgtTaters
08-12-2010, 19:46
Tancred is a weird name though, how exactly did this made-up grim dark sci-fantasy name get so popular

was there some British sci fi character of that name or what

Bloodknight
08-12-2010, 19:54
It is not a made-up name at all. I guess it's an allusion to the crusading Tancreds in the middle ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tancred,_Prince_of_Galilee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tancred_of_Sicily
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tancred_of_Conversano

Crazy Ivan
08-12-2010, 19:56
Tancred is a weird name though, how exactly did this made-up grim dark sci-fantasy name get so popular

was there some British sci fi character of that name or what
It isn't made up, it was a fairly common name for medieval Normans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tancred_(given_name)). Probably the best known Tancred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tancred,_Prince_of_Galilee) was one of the leaders during the First Crusade, and is generally thought of as a psychopathic badass (probably only outdone by his uncle Bohemund), so pretty fitting for most 40k characters, especially Space Marines...

Edit: Ninja'd!

Inquisitor S.
09-12-2010, 16:10
It seems odd to have any name so prominently several times over unless it's the Warhammer equivalent of the name 'John'!

You are clearly unaware how often GW re-uses names. Just a incomplete selection below (three DA Ezekiels, more than a handful Erasmus, plenty of Lucius ;)):

http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/wiki/Kategorie:Begriffskl%C3%A4rung