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ArtificerArmour
16-03-2006, 18:27
Just a quick question - I've seen these thrown around but - what are they? What do they stand for?

Remember, there's no such thing as a silly question.

DaSquigBrain
16-03-2006, 18:35
I haven't seen GEQ, but MEQ stands for Marine EQuivalent. IE: 3+armor, S4, T4. Space Marines, Chaos Marines, etc.

HiveFleetJomama
16-03-2006, 18:40
I would presume GEq stands for Guard Equivalent.

Anvils Hammer
16-03-2006, 18:54
yep, gaurd equivalent, eg gaurd, traitors, guardians, many types of gaunt,
basically anything that is killed by a bolter round on a 3+

DraXaus
16-03-2006, 23:04
Thank the Emperor. Someone actually asked this question! Because I was just going to go on, never knowing what these crazy acronyms meant.

Though I had a feeling it had something to do with Marines.

neko
17-03-2006, 00:08
So, what's next? FEqs (T3 Sv4+)? SEqs (T3 Sv3+)?
Any others?

Azrael
17-03-2006, 00:13
maybe some LREqs armour 14

Anvils Hammer
17-03-2006, 00:15
to both of you,


no... because that would be silly now wouldent it :)

there arnt enough sister equvalents or... firewarrior equvalents??? to justitify shorthand.

Meq is the main one, Geq is rarely used.

neko
17-03-2006, 01:34
Well, we could always start on the players themselves. How about PEqs? (using 3 Wraithlords in a 500pts list) :angel:

Chem-Dog
17-03-2006, 13:42
Marine equivalents don't exist, Chaos Marines are still Marines nothing else fills the criteria.

Sarevok
17-03-2006, 13:45
Marine equivalents don't exist, Chaos Marines are still Marines nothing else fills the criteria.

Necrons?:chrome:

ankellagung
17-03-2006, 13:53
As I understand it, MEQ doesn't mean "same as" but rather "similar to", as such Sisters, Grey Knights, and other such 3+ savers which have bolters or similar fit in. Also, it refers to all different Marine codices (Vanilla, Chaos, Wolves, Templars etc.). As such, it is useful.

Anvils Hammer
17-03-2006, 14:30
there is quite abit of stuff that Meq can be applied to.

SM, CSM, all wierd SM varients, necrons, sisters of battle, someeldar aspect warriors. crisis suits also have the same stats but with 2 wounds.

given the sheer quantity of SM,CSM,cron, and similar heavily armoured armies out there. Meq is a usefull phrase.

neko
17-03-2006, 14:54
I'd disagree with SoBs being a MEq - that one point of toughness can make a lot of difference.

Azrael
17-03-2006, 16:56
not to mention S,I and WS, so I would leave them out.

Kjell
17-03-2006, 22:02
Battle Sisters are MEq in that they have a 3+ armour save. You still need AP2 to punch through them. Granted, they are generally easier to shoot to bits than more "true" MEq troopers but I would still rank them as MEq.

Zurai
17-03-2006, 22:45
The MEQ label doesn't really deal with the initiative, weapon skill, etc. It's mostly concerned with how hard something is to wound and kill. Toughness and save are the only really relevant stats in that regard.

Anvils Hammer
17-03-2006, 22:48
agreed, the most important aspect of Meq is the 3+ save, given the massive difference it makes with loads of AP 4 weapons around, only a Meq gets its save against most weapons in the game.

Malchek
18-03-2006, 02:27
Battle Sisters are MEq in that they have a 3+ armour save. You still need AP2 to punch through them. Granted, they are generally easier to shoot to bits than more "true" MEq troopers but I would still rank them as MEq.

I thought AP 3 or better would do it...?

;)

Ardathair
18-03-2006, 04:22
These acronyms are context dependent. If you are talking about how effective weapons with high strength and various APs are armor 3+ is what matters. If it deals with other stats the acronyms vary in what units it applies to. For a Starcannon or Shurikencannon a SoB and a SM are equivalent, for a lasgun they are different. For lasguns and bolters, Guardsmen and Guardians are equivalents, for CC they are not.

Kjell
18-03-2006, 12:03
I thought AP 3 or better would do it...?

;)

Yes. Yes, you are correct. Slight mistake on my part. I was thinking of plasma guns, you see.