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SolkaTruesilver
14-12-2010, 12:56
How tolerant are the Imperial instances when it comes to non-Golden Throne-worshipping on primitive worlds, where communication are spare?

I was thinking, what if the Empire finds a planet that hasn't any Emperor-related worship, but isn't worshipping Chaos. Would they send "prophets" to convert the population, create a massive social engineering, maybe creating a new faction on the planet for a planet-scale crusade?

Or they would simply take control of the whole planet and immediately enforce worship of the Imperial Creed?


(I had an idea for a RPG game where the players would start on a primitive/medieval planet, and they get regulary helped by shining beings giving them magical gifts like the Deathlight, and in return ask them to spread the Word about God's Golden Throne)

Crazy Ivan
14-12-2010, 13:05
Depending on the local situation and those responsible for incorportaing the planet in the Imperium (zealous priests or more practical diplomats?), anything is possible. The Imperium (being a theocracy and all) would certainly require the population to worship the Emperor (and worshipping the Emperor is the only way to secure yourself from Chaos, after all!). However, the exact way in which this is done varies immensely, from telling the natives that their revered "supreme being" is actually the Emperor under another name (and who's going to argue with His clearly superior magical emissaries coming from the sky in fiery chariots?) to converting one local faction and backing it in a "holy war" to capture the rest of the planet, to giving the locals the choice between conversion and decapitation, to simply killing all the natives and bringing in colonists from elsewhere.

The Imperium can be quite subtle about this stuff, if it wants to. Whatever works...

Pontiff
14-12-2010, 14:00
Yup it's always been written into the background in the past that the Imperium takes the local religion and inserts an acceptable variation of emperor worship in.

If the planet worships the sun then the sun is said to be the emperor etc... a case in hand being the old squat background. The squats worshipped their ancestors but the immperium said 'oh the emperor looks after and protects the souls of the ancestors' which was socially acceptable to the squats.

Idaan
14-12-2010, 14:05
The Missionarus Galaxia does exactly the first thing you mentioned. Sadly, they're not mentioned in any up to date Codex, but 2e Sisters of Battle codex should have something. And if you're interested in RPG, "Edge of the Abyss" for the Rogue Trader RPG goes into details on two of the organisation's subcults: Apostles of St. Asceline and Salvatorum Laborus.

Clockwork-Knight
14-12-2010, 14:59
It is also depending on the whim of the local ecclesiarchs. Those who are kinda tolerant might say that yeah, that sun-god those apemen worship is just their primitive interpretation of the Emperor.

There are other more extremistics however who can and will burn the entire populace (if feasible) for daring to insinuate that a stupid sun shining on a stupid rock full of apemen could ever be the Emperor. And then call down a bunch of Sororitas with flamers to purge the heretics, even if they had been given a seal of approval for being upright Emperor-worshippers some hundred years ago by a group of missionaries.

After all, it's also part politics, and the ecclessiarchy is not one big happy family. So when the jolly cardinal Nice-Ikus II says one thing, another political enemy (bitter and mean Cardinal Hate-Ikus III - who is also really really greedy) of his might just try to **** on his reputation, send a bunch of fraternis militia to burn down all savages, and accuse jolly tolerant cardinal Nice-Ikus II for being a fricking heretic and, that he should be executed for teaching the wrong way. Also, by the way, give his diocese to Hate-Ikus III, cause Hate-Ikus III knows it best - until he gets killed by assassins from other cardinals, or even the Inquisition for amassing too much power - and being an ass too.

Joustarr
14-12-2010, 16:15
How tolerant are the Imperial instances when it comes to non-Golden Throne-worshipping on primitive worlds, where communication are spare?

I was thinking, what if the Empire finds a planet that hasn't any Emperor-related worship, but isn't worshipping Chaos. Would they send "prophets" to convert the population, create a massive social engineering, maybe creating a new faction on the planet for a planet-scale crusade?

Or they would simply take control of the whole planet and immediately enforce worship of the Imperial Creed?


Probably all of the above might be on the agenda for most Imperials. Some of the Legiones Astartes allready use feral worlds for recruitment, as the people who live there can be ideal candidates. 'Deathwing' (the short story) is an example of this. This however, happens after what your question relates to.
In some cases use of Imperial techknoledgy in front of 'primitives' may alter their belief structure. For example an imperial guard shooting something with a las-gun would so impress them, considering fire and bows is still innovative. Consolidating their position on the planet will further reinforce belief in the Imperial creed. Especially if the Imperials say (about their techkoledgy) they are using the power of the God-Emperor.
Another idea would be that they ignore them and concentrate on mining the planet. The Imperial Govenor would live on an orbital space station, only to occasionally sortie his troops to control psykers and mutants.

Ante64
14-12-2010, 19:59
Dark Angels prefer to use those kinds of worlds as recruitment worlds if I don't memember it wrong from the codex. Because Lion their primarch lived his early days as a primative man. Most of the highest ranked warriors is from such worlds. Azrael for example

MagosHereticus
15-12-2010, 03:18
feral worlds are largely ignored by the wider imperium, i'd imagine that primitive emperor worship is much more easily accepted by the ecclesiarchy when little political power can be wrought from proselytising a population, any priest or missionary interested in the planet will likely have to work at altering their beliefs without much help from the rest of the church

feral worlds do serve as recruiting grounds for the munitorium though, so inquisitors should at least make sure the population is safe to arm before they are allowed to be recruited and some preachers might be dispatched to help guarantee loyalty to the emperor amongst potential recruits

ChaosTicket
17-12-2010, 17:34
One thing is, how do they keep at the various guises of the Emperor, as the Emperor rather than anything else?

I remember than one astartes chapter called (metallic)Cobras for declared traitors for worshipping the Emperor as Totems, not stating whether they were actually worshipping chaos. What about the various Imperial Guard or any world in general?

Various chapters would likely commit purges on various worlds they recruit from that are deemed corrupted. This is very different from what the Ecclessiarchy uses as a standard.