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Dark Hippie
27-12-2010, 08:04
hello,

I was wondering, are the gene-seed mutations correctable? Like could a Imperial Fist Apothicary somehow fix the Imperial fist gene-seed so that the imperial fists would be able to spit acid and do the other thing that they are not normally aloud to?

Thanks for any help!

dragonet111
27-12-2010, 08:26
No.
After 10k years the only persons who knew how the technology works are no more and actually only the Emperor really knew the full spectrum of that technology.

Plus messing with the gene seed is a dangerous path, it's near heretical and if you failed you can doomed your own chapter.

At present the only dude who's probably able to do that is Fabius Bile, too sad he is now a demented freaky surgeon.

prowla
27-12-2010, 10:11
At present the only dude who's probably able to do that is Fabius Bile, too sad he is now a demented freaky surgeon.

Not only that, but his attempts with the gene-seed have not been very successful either. He's been mutating his subjects for a long while and gotten very little stable or predictable results from that. It is pretty safe to say the technology has been lost.

Shamana
27-12-2010, 11:05
On the other hand, that's part of why the AdMech collects geneseed from all the chapters - if need be, they can make new ones with "purer" genes like those of the Ultras, White Scars, etc.

grayghost
27-12-2010, 12:14
That's why everyone's based on the Ultramarines? Since we can't make any new gene-seed we'll just dupe the one that looks the cleanest?

Sephiroth
27-12-2010, 13:03
That's why everyone's based on the Ultramarines? Since we can't make any new gene-seed we'll just dupe the one that looks the cleanest?

That and a combination of the Ultramarines' Legion emerging out of the Horus Heresy largely unscathed.

Shamana
27-12-2010, 13:50
There is also the matter that perhaps Guilliman and his successors have a bit more political pull (or just better reputation) than, say, the White Scars, Dark Angels etc, so their seed is considered first when new chapters are made. But considering that the AdMech tithe is a percentage of the chapter seed (5% if you can trust Lexi), of course a larger chapter would donate more. You get something like a snowball effect: regardless politics involved when they have more to give, they will get more offshoot chapters, which in turn donate more geneseed, so you have even more of theirs, and so on.

kamedake88
27-12-2010, 22:12
It seems that with the ongoing release of the Horus Heresy series, some of the flaws that the various Legion gene seeds have were there from the get go.

shadowhawk2008
28-12-2010, 04:33
It seems that with the ongoing release of the Horus Heresy series, some of the flaws that the various Legion gene seeds have were there from the get go.

that and no proper methodoly for recruiting new aspirants and no proper system of gene enhancement as it exists since guilliman wrote the the codex astartes

ForgottenLore
28-12-2010, 04:45
The chapter itself can't really try and meddle with the gene-seed, but the cursed founding was largely attempts by the High Lords and and AdMech to create chapters with "fixed" gene-seed.

Didn't work too well.

Lupe
28-12-2010, 17:04
There might still be stocks of unmutated geneseed left, though. Especially from the geneseed samples that all chapters need to provide. So it would be possible to have some individuals receive unmutated geneseed, either left from the glory days of th legions, or supplied by the High Lords from these reserves following a catastrophe. Very unlikely scenarios, but at least plausible...

MagosHereticus
28-12-2010, 17:12
apparently some of the cursed foundings had geneseed corrections made, however the fate of those chapters probably discouraged further innovation

ChaosTicket
30-12-2010, 12:35
The flaws in the geneseed are not correctable because as the Imperium goes, "there is no innovation". They cant recreate geneseed but rather repeatedly copy one of the original 9 loyalists legions. They choose the Ultramarines for the lack of mutation(even the Imperial Fists have a dangerous mutation that prevents them from entering coma state rather than die).

The Cursed Founding was an attempt to pool resources to correct the geneseed of the chapters(even some traitors) and sometimes it worked, sometimes not. the Lamenters dont have the Black Rage or Red Thirst unlike other Blood Angel successors, but are plagued with horrendous luck.
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The Geneseed flaws were from conception, as the geneseed is used to make lessed versions of the organs that the Primarchs had, so any flaws would literally be in the second heart, third lung, etc. When the Primarchs were found, more changed than the original samples of their DNA to make the geneseed, the geneseed was further flawed.

The only person who could probably create new geneseed would be Fabius Bile, but if he did the Imperium would die as he would probably create new Primarchs in his own twisted style.

Mannimarco
30-12-2010, 13:47
On a side note: Fabulous Bill has had limited success, there have been reports of the imperium fighting his creations which have the strength and cunning of daemons, these are Bills "New Men".

He also claims to have unlocked the secrets of the gene seed although whether this is true or just him bragging I dont know.

Askil the Undecided
30-12-2010, 16:10
Primarchs don't have the astartes organs, as stated when Horus was wounded and apothecaries had no clue how to help due to not knowing what "healthy" was for a primarch. IIRC the apothecary in question says only the Emperor would know how to help for sure.