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grayghost
07-01-2011, 22:50
...I'm thinking of fielding an army where every squad is from a different chapter (ie. painted differently), while of course being played as vanilla marines all around. Would that bother you as an opponent?

Lord Wasa
07-01-2011, 22:54
let me phrase it like this, as a player, no. As an esthetically minded person, perhaps :P
But i think the answer you'll get from most ppl (including me) is that it's your army, if you're a nice dude/dudette and play by the rules, any qualms about painting and colour scheme will ultimately be forgotten or kept to ourselves.

DarkstarSabre
07-01-2011, 23:47
Of course if you give them all a common 'Crusade' badge and perhaps have more than 1 unit from each Chapter (i.e. have perhaps a character and squad or squad and vehicle) you could always do it as a Crusade force. Or, if you stick to one or two different chapters you can do the same with a bit more unity.

sigur
08-01-2011, 00:18
...I'm thinking of fielding an army where every squad is from a different chapter (ie. painted differently), while of course being played as vanilla marines all around. Would that bother you as an opponent?

Nope, don't mind, as long as it's not more than maybe four chapters at the absolute maximum.

Pontiff
08-01-2011, 00:37
Back in the day the old backstory had a few accounts where chapters borrowed suits of armour, dreadnoughts, vehicles and the like from each other and sometimes did not have time to repaint it.

There was a classic story about one force surrendering to a marine force using borrowed kit as they thought they were being attacked by seven chapters!

So go for it if you want to, you have a story precedent.

(there also used to be a great old story about a blood angel terminator in a suit borrowed from the ultramarines and no matter how many times it got repainted the blue kept showing thourgh after battle damage :) )

grayghost
08-01-2011, 01:06
Maybe using two different Chapters...two forces competing towards the same objective...

Thanks, gents!

Kirill
08-01-2011, 01:13
I think this is an awesome idea, I've considered doing the same thing myself. I think a force of marines from several chapters would look striking on the field, particularly if you had them operate in their groups as they normally would amongst their own brothers, a perform those roles on the battlefield.
ie; Salamanders with flamers and meltor and your assault squads deep striking from the Ravenguard or some such.

I think a common badge would be awesome though, to link everything together. Paint one symbol on parts of their wargear would help unify the force a touch more.

Stealin' Genes
08-01-2011, 01:39
Of course if you give them all a common 'Crusade' badge and perhaps have more than 1 unit from each Chapter (i.e. have perhaps a character and squad or squad and vehicle) you could always do it as a Crusade force. Or, if you stick to one or two different chapters you can do the same with a bit more unity.

Beat me to it.

Back in the 2e Codex: Ultras, this was mentioned as a possible army that could be fielded from the codex, a crusade force comprised of units from multiple codex adherent chapters. Just give them all a common badge, painted onto their armor.

I think it's a cool idea, I say go for it :)

Ravenous
08-01-2011, 02:11
I dont care, its your stuff so do whatever, but you deserve frequent ball busting for doing so. As long as you can put up with that, then everything is fine.

CaptScott
08-01-2011, 02:11
If it feels good do it, wouldn't bother me in the least.

Clang
08-01-2011, 03:34
As suggested above, play them as a Crusade army, made up of squads from multiple chapters who are fighting together in some campaign of vital interest to all. Such armies are (or at least were) official GW fluff, so shouldn't cause too much whining from opponents, especially if you write up a bit of army background.

But do make an effort to give them some sort of shared markings, e.g. all have the same colour left knee pad or right shoulder pad, or all have a special campaign symbol somewhere on their armour - that will help them look like a unified army rather than a random mix of leftover figures.

Jind_Singh
08-01-2011, 04:25
who on earth would care! So many instances of marines being sent from various chapters for some common cause - it would be just fine - and i'd rather seen TEN differently painted marine squads in one army than a 100 marine squads of the same chapter that were unpainted!

Lothlanathorian
08-01-2011, 05:05
Yeah. As this thread as already made abundantly clear, not only is it a fine idea (and a good way to not get bored painting Marines), but there is even in-universe official fluff that says that it happens more often than you'd think.

Pontiff
08-01-2011, 06:48
i'd rather seen TEN differently painted marine squads in one army than a 100 marine squads of the same chapter that were unpainted!

Hear Hear!

Well said that man :)

Marus
08-01-2011, 15:28
I like this idea. As stated by others it could be a very stand-out force on the field.

Also, read about the Mentor Legion. I think it might make for an interesting way to make your captains, veteran sergeants, or specialists to be different if some were painted like this.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mentor_Legion

Sorrow Seer
08-01-2011, 15:34
Fine as a gamer and fine as far as background goes.

jt.glass
08-01-2011, 18:35
I dont care, its your stuff so do whatever, but you deserve frequent ball busting for doing so.Cobblers. It is a perfectly resonable thing to do, and deserves nothing but praise for a well-painted army (assuming they are well-painted, of course).


Fine as a gamer and fine as far as background goes.This.


jt.

grayghost
09-01-2011, 03:27
Gents, how would I go about posting a picture of this Crusade so everyone could see it?

DeeKay
09-01-2011, 03:33
You needn't post the whole crusade at once. You could try setting up a blog in the modelling and painting section.

The Crusade idea is cool, and all it really needs is some sort of symbol to tie different units to one another to give some sort of cohesion. It doesn't even need to be anywhere particularly prominent, even a small design on a greave or kneepad would do it.

With regards,
Dan.

prowla
09-01-2011, 06:22
Maybe using two different Chapters...two forces competing towards the same objective...

Thanks, gents!

It might be fun to see a 'specialist' force supporting another chapter.. Like for example a White Scars bike/speeder force supporting Salamanders.

Serpent
09-01-2011, 08:26
As long as the basing is similar on all the models, I think it would look alright. A friend of mine borrowed parts of other club members SM armies for a tournament, and in the end recieved low painting scores because of the large variety in basing... (Not that he cared about the painting score, he was "just there to play".)

Apart from that, it sounds like a good idea.

Irtehdar
09-01-2011, 10:49
I dont see a reason why one chapter couldnt send reinforcements to another chapter if they are in the neigbourhood.

Lets say 3-4 chapters are participating in a major conflict and because they are operating (although independant of eachother) in the same neigbourhood when one chapter suddently comes under fire from whatever opponent every space marine close enough to be able to assist joins in.
Basically lets say ultramarine sergeant named ''bob'' is on a scouting mission with 3 squads in rhinos comes under fire from more than he can handle so he sends out a distress call.
Right down the block a Dark Angels land raider has pulled over to get lunch.
Somewhere nearby on the rooftops some Crimson fist sssault marines are bouncing along on their way back to base from a mission.
And finally a White Scars dropship who were going somewhere to drop off some terminators have just been called back because their designated dropzone have just been blown up.
As a result we have 3 groups of capable marines from foreign chapters who had nothing better to do close enough to assist emidiately when the distress call went out.

And.... TADAA! Viable excuse why theres diffent chapters fighting in the same battle.

tuebor
09-01-2011, 10:56
I dont care, its your stuff so do whatever, but you deserve frequent ball busting for doing so. As long as you can put up with that, then everything is fine.

Why? I really, honestly don't understand all the objections to this idea.

I recall in a WD a few years back they had this neat penitent crusade force made up of Marines from the Chapters that rebelled during the Badab War. I always liked the idea, I could see the OPs project being a similar thing.

ehlijen
09-01-2011, 11:37
I also vote for some justification for the ball busting comment. What is wrong with this plan?

That said, a few things should be kept int mind as guides and suggestions to play the theme straight:

Bases should be done all in the same style. Not only will it tie the army together as a whole, it will also help in confusing multiple combats.

Common components that are not part of a chapters uniform should be kept consistent (few as they are). For example if one chapter has the plasma coils glowing blue, they should all have it blueish, as this makes figuring out what units are armed with a lot easier for the guy on the other side of the table.

If they carry trophies, giving them all similar trophies, ie from the same enemy, helps reinforce the idea that this is and ad hoc formation fighting a common foe.

Adding a sternguard unit in deathwatch colours drawing a member from every chapter present could be a uniting element, as could an inquisitor (using the captain or chaplain rules if need be).

Mezegis
09-01-2011, 12:32
I think this is a great idea, but I would have a little organization about it. All members of a force org slot would be painted the same.

example:
HQ: Ultramarines
Troops: Blood angels
Elite: Salamanders
Fast Attack: Ravenguard
Heavy Support: Imperial Fists

Obviously you could pick whatever you wanted, I just chose them for the Blue, Red, Green, Black, Yellow extreme color difference.

I agree that there needs to be something that ties them all together, similar basing and maybe a right shoulderpad of all same color. I'd probably go with a metallic so it didn't clash against the rainbow you'll have.

Atrum Angelus
09-01-2011, 13:24
I'm currently working on a Zeist campaign (from the SM codex) list. It's lead be Sicarius and states what each Chapter sent, making for an easy way to make a diverse list with multiple chapters represented.

Ravenous
09-01-2011, 16:19
Why? I really, honestly don't understand all the objections to this idea.


Its because its being cheap and the idea is lame, I have no objections to doing it, but its like buying car upgrades from walmart for your civic, its up to you to do so, but dont be surprised when you get laughed at and become the butt of jokes.

For example, a friend of mine is doing the Knights of Gryphonne chapter and is using the space wolf rules just so his character can be riding a giant griffon. A+ for imagination, but gets a big F when you realize he just wanted 3 units of long fangs and didnt want to buy a bunch of Canis models for his thunderwolves.

Another example is a guy here with normal marines painted like pre heresy deathguard that pass for his; space wolves, blood angels, chaos, and vanilla marines. Its all well and good but you get to rib him a bit and say "so what am I playing today? Your ultra chaotic blood wolves?".

Point is anytime you cheap out you deserve and should expect to made fun of. As long as you have a good sense of humour then I dont worry about it, Ive always known the community to be nothing but ball bustin, smack talk and good laughs.

Inquisitor Gabriel Ashe
09-01-2011, 16:45
Being cheap is no reason to be made fun of. Not all of us can have the six-figure job you do. The idea is actually pretty cool if presented well.

tuebor
09-01-2011, 17:10
Point is anytime you cheap out you deserve and should expect to made fun of. As long as you have a good sense of humour then I dont worry about it, Ive always known the community to be nothing but ball bustin, smack talk and good laughs.

I suppose you and I have very, very different gaming groups if anyone cares how much money you spent on your space men. Every groups I've played in, whether in the US, Canada or France has been all about people not having to spend more than is absolutely necessary.

RayvenQ
09-01-2011, 17:29
Its because its being cheap and the idea is lame, I have no objections to doing it, but its like buying car upgrades from walmart for your civic, its up to you to do so, but dont be surprised when you get laughed at and become the butt of jokes.

For example, a friend of mine is doing the Knights of Gryphonne chapter and is using the space wolf rules just so his character can be riding a giant griffon. A+ for imagination, but gets a big F when you realize he just wanted 3 units of long fangs and didnt want to buy a bunch of Canis models for his thunderwolves.

Another example is a guy here with normal marines painted like pre heresy deathguard that pass for his; space wolves, blood angels, chaos, and vanilla marines. Its all well and good but you get to rib him a bit and say "so what am I playing today? Your ultra chaotic blood wolves?".

Point is anytime you cheap out you deserve and should expect to made fun of. As long as you have a good sense of humour then I dont worry about it, Ive always known the community to be nothing but ball bustin, smack talk and good laughs.

None of your points seem to apply, as he isn't changing rules, nor is he really doing all that much of a counts as (like in your example) all he is doing is painting his squads different (codex chapter schemes)to each other whilst still using the same, vanilla SM Codex, nothing cheap about that at all. By your logic, if any of the marines were painted even ever so slightly different, or with different company trims, then that would be cheap also.
You feel it a requirement to rib someone for experimenting with a hobby and doing things what they want to try? He's not the one who needs ball-busting, you are. Glad I don't know you mate.

As to the OP: a Massive Hell no I wouldn't mind. Infact could be hella fun, plus if each squad is a different scheme it'll help when pointing out targets etc and you and your opponent knowing whats what at a glance.

grayghost
09-01-2011, 17:52
Its because its being cheap and the idea is lame, I have no objections to doing it, but its like buying car upgrades from walmart for your civic, its up to you to do so, but dont be surprised when you get laughed at and become the butt of jokes.

For example, a friend of mine is doing the Knights of Gryphonne chapter and is using the space wolf rules just so his character can be riding a giant griffon. A+ for imagination, but gets a big F when you realize he just wanted 3 units of long fangs and didnt want to buy a bunch of Canis models for his thunderwolves.

Another example is a guy here with normal marines painted like pre heresy deathguard that pass for his; space wolves, blood angels, chaos, and vanilla marines. Its all well and good but you get to rib him a bit and say "so what am I playing today? Your ultra chaotic blood wolves?".

Point is anytime you cheap out you deserve and should expect to made fun of. As long as you have a good sense of humour then I dont worry about it, Ive always known the community to be nothing but ball bustin, smack talk and good laughs.

Riding a Gryphon as a Thunderwolf sounds *******' awesome. What's wrong with that? Rough Riders on bikes, Marines on velociraptors, that's all brilliant modeling!

I'm getting stoked on the idea of actually writing a page (or five) on the circumstances uniting the Crusade.

Inquisitor Gabriel Ashe
09-01-2011, 17:57
Basically Ravenous is trolling. :p The more it's talked about, the more I want to do my own crusade!

Wisdom
09-01-2011, 18:08
Go for it grayghost, sounds good. The old 2nd edition Space Marines Codex had a section suggesting doing what you want to do in the actual army list section.

grayghost
09-01-2011, 19:18
Actually, the unifying mark could be something as simple as a red slash across a shoulder pad, couldn't it? I wouldn't necessarily have to rebase everything. That would be tough, since each army is modeled differently (some in urban, some in desert, some on grass).

Any thoughts on how to unify disparately modeled armies?

RayvenQ
09-01-2011, 19:24
Accoridng to Insignum Astartes, they usually wear the army badge on the right greave, and army badges are susually geometric shapes with other symbols on top of them (skulls, eagles, crosses etc etc)

Hicks
09-01-2011, 19:38
Of course if you give them all a common 'Crusade' badge and perhaps have more than 1 unit from each Chapter (i.e. have perhaps a character and squad or squad and vehicle) you could always do it as a Crusade force. Or, if you stick to one or two different chapters you can do the same with a bit more unity.

This. It is perfectly fine as far as fluff is concerned, and since you are effectively only using one codex, it should really not cause any problem during a game.

Heck, if I had the time and money, I'd love to make an Armageddon 3 mixed marine force.

No-One
09-01-2011, 19:55
i'm doing a crusade army of imperial guard(or will be once its all bought/traded/collected/painted/ect.) that consists of squads of catachan(Harker's veteran squad), mechanized cadians(basic infantry), COG soldiers from the Gears of War games(Bastone's squad of veterans, mounted in a "King Raven" helicopter-valkyrie) and i'm probably going to include some other stuff for a little variation, with Saint Celestine heading the army as a living saint

holy crusade anyone?

i see absolutely no problem with the crusade theme for an army, it fits the background, gives you artistic licence to convert and make your army unique and also allows you to have a bunch of variation in individual squad themes and such, to hell with the naysayers, they're just trolling

TheLaughingGod
09-01-2011, 21:13
i'm doing a crusade army of imperial guard(or will be once its all bought/traded/collected/painted/ect.) that consists of squads of catachan(Harker's veteran squad), mechanized cadians(basic infantry), COG soldiers from the Gears of War games(Bastone's squad of veterans, mounted in a "King Raven" helicopter-valkyrie) and i'm probably going to include some other stuff for a little variation, with Saint Celestine heading the army as a living saint

Thematically that sounds really weird. No offense.

No-One
09-01-2011, 21:22
none taken but could you elaborate on how it sounds weird?

Lothlanathorian
09-01-2011, 22:43
I remember back in 2nd Ed when you'd have been hard pressed (to the point of calling it cruel and unusual) to find an IG army that consisted of all one type of unit (ie: all Cadian or all Catachan).

No-One
09-01-2011, 23:10
ah okay, so its more just a case of you'd prefer an army that was mono-regiment as opposed to multi-regiment, and not an army that features units from across the board when it comes to the regiments involved, which i find totally understandable, i just liked the idea of having multiple regiments represented in my army, to each their own i suppose

Lothlanathorian
09-01-2011, 23:17
ah okay, so its more just a case of you'd prefer an army that was mono-regiment as opposed to multi-regiment, and not an army that features units from across the board when it comes to the regiments involved, which i find totally understandable, i just liked the idea of having multiple regiments represented in my army, to each their own i suppose

I think you may have confused me with TheLaughingGod.

And, my post was saying that, with the advent of 3rd, we were introduced to mono-regiment which was, until that point, almost unheard of.

No-One
09-01-2011, 23:27
oops, totally sorry mate, read the names wrong :(

Lothlanathorian
09-01-2011, 23:45
No worries. Worse confusions have happened :shifty:

Ravenous
10-01-2011, 03:51
Basically Ravenous is trolling. :p The more it's talked about, the more I want to do my own crusade!

I really wish I was at this point lol.

checkmorale
10-01-2011, 05:45
...I'm thinking of fielding an army where every squad is from a different chapter (ie. painted differently), while of course being played as vanilla marines all around. Would that bother you as an opponent?

No. Space Marines do join forces to fight crusades, joining squads of several Chapters to take on a larger threat. It was covered in an old WD article. Try tracking it down, it might give you ideas.

-Check

prowla
10-01-2011, 13:37
I think this is a great idea, but I would have a little organization about it. All members of a force org slot would be painted the same.

example:
HQ: Ultramarines
Troops: Blood angels
Elite: Salamanders
Fast Attack: Ravenguard
Heavy Support: Imperial Fists

Obviously you could pick whatever you wanted, I just chose them for the Blue, Red, Green, Black, Yellow extreme color difference.


The FOC style would work, but 5 chapters is a bit too much. I'd go with maximum of three chapters: HQ, Elite and Troops from Ultramarines, FA from Raven Guard and HS from Imperial Fists, for example.

You could pick a theme that suits the chapter in FOC slot: Imperial Fists are good with siege, so there might be a couple of Vindicators in HS slots. Raven Guard are good with assault, so some assault marines in FA, etc.

Xandros
10-01-2011, 16:01
I may be pointing out the obvious here, but the spinner isn't an ordnance barrage, so you can move and fire it freely without line of sight.

self biased
10-01-2011, 16:20
Beat me to it.

Back in the 2e Codex: Ultras, this was mentioned as a possible army that could be fielded from the codex, a crusade force comprised of units from multiple codex adherent chapters. Just give them all a common badge, painted onto their armor.

I think it's a cool idea, I say go for it :)

this. there's NUMEROUS justifications in the fluff for this sort of thing, and I've been considering doing this for a possible one-off tournament army.