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siero
18-01-2011, 12:14
Army composition:
Lords: 22%
Heroes: 20%
Core: 30%
Special: 21%
Rare: 7%

Army:

Liche High Priest 295Pts
Hierophant
Neferra's Plaques of Mighty Incantations
Cloak of the Dunes

Tomb King 273Pts
General; Shield
Collar of Shapesh
Scorpion Armour
Fencer's Blades

Liche Priest 160Pts
Staff of Ravening

Liche Priest 330Pts
Ruby Ring of Ruin
Hieratic Jar
Casket of Souls

4 Ushabti 260Pts 2x2 block

3 Tomb Scorpion 255Pts

3 Skeleton Chariots 120Pts

40 Skeleton Bowmen 365Pts 5x8 to fight, wider to shoot
Standard, Champion
Banner of the Undying Legion

30 Skeleton Bowmen 260Pts the same as above
Standard, Champion

2 Screaming Skull Catapult 180Pts


Models in Army: 92


Total Army Cost: 2498Pts

Heroes go into the big blocks of infantry. I'll be trying to overpower the magic phase with (virtual) 14 'power dice' and 3 bound items. In effect shoot as much as possible, even use direct damage spells if necessary (SoR, RRoR, and inct of vengeance). Try to choose my fights, skeletons being the anvil, Ushabti and Scorpions the hammer, maybe chariots too.

Main problems are with good armor save units, like Knightly Orders, Warrior of Chaos. Monsters like Hydra are annoying too..

What do You think?

jahorin
18-01-2011, 16:01
For human knights you have the ushabti, they have ini 3 so they will strike at the same time as the knights, beware of bretonian lance... they are harder. And I have yet to face chaos knight but i'm sure that they will cut trough the ushabti in no time.

As for the hydra, remember that the catapult are flaming and magical attack and that you can fire them twice a turn with a bit of help for your priest.

You have quite a defensive list, what's your plan with the chariot? Where do you plan to deploy your king?

Best of luck.

siero
18-01-2011, 16:28
King goes into the 40 strong unit of Skeletons with the Banner of the Undying Legion.
Chariots are a fast cav that can effectively take care of enemy fast cav, skirmishers, war machines, and be a light hammer unit.
For knights my only hope is to
a) charge them with ushabti, and maybe a scorpion, flank and rear charges would be nice
b) let them charge into my sponge skeleton units, and countercharge with Ushabti, Scorpions

The biggest skeleton unit with TK (scorpion armour) and BotUL is almost invincible if not multicharged from multiple sides.

Before CC I'll try to shoot as much as possible. SSC at Monsters, Lords, or harder enemy units, Skeletons and bound items at lighter units like fast cav, skirmishers, screens.

exodusofman
19-01-2011, 04:09
Army composition:
Lords: 22%
Heroes: 20%
Core: 30%
Special: 21%
Rare: 7%

Army:

Liche High Priest 295Pts
Hierophant
Neferra's Plaques of Mighty Incantations
Cloak of the Dunes

Tomb King 273Pts
General; Shield
Collar of Shapesh
Scorpion Armour
Fencer's Blades

Liche Priest 160Pts
Staff of Ravening

Liche Priest 330Pts
Ruby Ring of Ruin
Hieratic Jar
Casket of Souls

4 Ushabti 260Pts 2x2 block

3 Tomb Scorpion 255Pts

3 Skeleton Chariots 120Pts
I like everything until we get to these chariots. what you hav said you plan you chaiots to do the scorpions will do better. I would drop these fo some tomb swarms
40 Skeleton Bowmen 365Pts 5x8 to fight, wider to shoot
Standard, Champion
Banner of the Undying Legion

30 Skeleton Bowmen 260Pts the same as above
Standard, Champion

2 Screaming Skull Catapult 180Pts

love everything else
Models in Army: 92


Total Army Cost: 2498Pts

Heroes go into the big blocks of infantry. I'll be trying to overpower the magic phase with (virtual) 14 'power dice' and 3 bound items. In effect shoot as much as possible, even use direct damage spells if necessary (SoR, RRoR, and inct of vengeance). Try to choose my fights, skeletons being the anvil, Ushabti and Scorpions the hammer, maybe chariots too.

Main problems are with good armor save units, like Knightly Orders, Warrior of Chaos. Monsters like Hydra are annoying too..

What do You think?

I do like this list only issue is teh one i posted above

siero
19-01-2011, 12:53
Maybe I could drop the chariots and additional 8pts and add 2 ushabtis to the unit, fielding them 3x2? More attacks, more stomps, ability to negate ranks

exodusofman
19-01-2011, 14:26
That would be one mean unit. It would attract alot of fire however but i say go for it. Drop teh chariots and 1 skeleton from the 40man unit youll get the same amount of shots anyway

siero
20-01-2011, 23:49
In fact I can't remove even one skeleton, because I won't satisfy the 25% core minimum rule.

I have to take away some magic item. Which one?
Weapon from Tomb King?
Hieratic Jar?
Staff of Ravening?
Ruby Ring of Ruin?

exodusofman
21-01-2011, 05:27
Drop the fencers blades

Maglok
21-01-2011, 07:36
I agree, drop the TK weapons. He likes great weapons better anyway. ;)

Second option would be the staff of ravening for me, it is a bit overpriced.

Spiney Norman
21-01-2011, 08:44
I would lose the Fencers blades and swap the staff of ravening for Enkil's canopi, now that wizards can keep multiple RIP spells in play is a good investment esp with spells like Purple sun and Throne of vines flying around, and the SoR has always been an overpriced piece of junk, although I totally understand the desire for bound items.

ftayl5
21-01-2011, 09:20
the SoR has always been an overpriced piece of junk

I concur. Get rid of it and/or the fencers blades.

siero
28-01-2011, 21:43
I've redone the army list. Here is the new one:

Liche High Priest 295Pts
Neferra's Plaques of Mighty Incantations
Cloak of the Dunes

Tomb King 276Pts
Genera; Shield; Light Armour;
Wizarding Hat

Liche Priest 330Pts
Brooch of the Great Desert
Hieratic Jar

Icon Bearer 65Pts

6 Ushabti 390Pts
5 Ushabti 325Pts

Tomb Scorpion 285Pts
Tomb Scorpion 285Pts

38 Skeleton Bowmen 354Pts
Full Command Group
Banner of the Undying Legion

10 Skeleton Bowmen 80Pts
10 Skeleton Bowmen 80Pts
3 Chariots 120Pts
These three units can be swapped with
30 Skeleton Bowmen
Full Command Group
and also making the first unit 40 strong.

Screaming Skull Catapult 90Pts
Screaming Skull Catapult 90Pts


Have to decide which setup to choose.

What do You think of the army? Post you thoughts. :)

ftayl5
28-01-2011, 23:46
LHP is good.
Tomb King should have a great weapon, light armour and shield is pointless as any character, and lots of regular troops, will negate the save anyway. With a great weapon he might do some damage himself.\
Wizarding Hat is amazing.


Liche Priest 330Pts
Brooch of the Great Desert
Hieratic Jar

I assume he's meant to be on a casket.

Icon Bearer is debatable but should help with the TK's stupidity if nothing else. But you might want to consider just another Ushabti instead.

Definitely go with 2 units of 30/40 skeletons. Small units are less useful and should always be combined when possible. Chariots just aren't very good, especially when you've already got 11 ushabti.

Catapults are good.

So all in all, a good list. Good shooting, very good magic, lots of ushabti etc etc I like it.

siero
28-01-2011, 23:57
Tomb King should have a great weapon, light armour and shield is pointless as any character, and lots of regular troops, will negate the save anyway. With a great weapon he might do some damage himself.
You are right.


I assume he's meant to be on a casket.
There are no point for a casket here.


Icon Bearer is debatable but should help with the TK's stupidity if nothing else. But you might want to consider just another Ushabti instead.
He is meant mainly for negating stupidity. I'll see if he's mandatory with the wiz hat, if not, I'll add a Scorpion or one Ushabti.


Definitely go with 2 units of 30/40 skeletons. Small units are less useful and should always be combined when possible.
I have more units overall, so I could deceive my opponent when deploying. Also, they are nice to divert enemy charges, angling them.


Chariots just aren't very good, especially when you've already got 11 ushabti.
Chariots make a cheap fast cavalry, that can easily kill other fast cavalry, scirmishers, and so on. Ushabti is worse in doing it.

exodusofman
29-01-2011, 00:58
I've redone the army list. Here is the new one:

Liche High Priest 295Pts
Neferra's Plaques of Mighty Incantations
Cloak of the Dunes

Tomb King 276Pts
Genera; Shield; Light Armour;
Wizarding Hat
drop the LA and S as said
Liche Priest 330Pts
Brooch of the Great Desert
Hieratic Jar

Icon Bearer 65Pts
id drop him for that last ushabti
6 Ushabti 390Pts
5 Ushabti 325Pts

Tomb Scorpion 285Pts
Tomb Scorpion 285Pts

38 Skeleton Bowmen 354Pts
Full Command Group
Banner of the Undying Legion

10 Skeleton Bowmen 80Pts
10 Skeleton Bowmen 80Pts
combine these
3 Chariots 120Pts
These three units can be swapped with
do that then
30 Skeleton Bowmen
Full Command Group
and also making the first unit 40 strong.
dont need a champ
Screaming Skull Catapult 90Pts
Screaming Skull Catapult 90Pts


Have to decide which setup to choose.

What do You think of the army? Post you thoughts. :)

List is brutal. What ftayl5 means is you payed too many points for him so judging by your math you forgot to write he has a casket or its just bad math on your part.

siero
29-01-2011, 01:31
I messed up the points from another army list, let me correct them.

Thanks for Your input! I really appreciate it :)


Liche High Priest 295Pts
Neferra's Plaques of Mighty Incantations
Cloak of the Dunes

Tomb King 276Pts
Genera; Shield; Light Armour;
Wizarding Hat

Liche Priest 165Pts
Brooch of the Great Desert
Hieratic Jar

Icon Bearer 65Pts

6 Ushabti 390Pts
5 Ushabti 325Pts

Tomb Scorpion 85Pts
Tomb Scorpion 85Pts

38 Skeleton Bowmen 354Pts
Full Command Group
Banner of the Undying Legion

10 Skeleton Bowmen 80Pts
10 Skeleton Bowmen 80Pts
3 Chariots 120Pts
These three units can be swapped with
30 Skeleton Bowmen
Full Command Group
and also making the first unit 40 strong.

Screaming Skull Catapult 90Pts
Screaming Skull Catapult 90Pts

exodusofman
29-01-2011, 05:16
I stand by what i said. Drop the Icon Bearer fo another ushabti and take the 2units of skeleton bowmen

siero
29-01-2011, 11:25
Ok, I'll check in battle if I need the IB for passing stupidity, if not, another 6 Ushabti would be truly devastating. :)

Any more comments ? :)