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Raisans
21-01-2011, 01:07
With the release of new Blood Angels miniatures I found myself disappointed
given the stormraven and the furioso models are incredible, those are only two expensive and specialized units. I was hoping for something along the lines of a chapter upgrade. Black Templars have one, Dark Angels have one, Space Wolves have endless bits and sprues and boxes to make a wolfy space marine army. As far as Blood Angels go, you have a few cool bits from sanguinary guard sprues that can make a character or sergeant look classy, or use death company bits, a lot of which have the death company x logo on them which would be hard to work into a tactical marine model etc.
am I the only one who thinks this way?

101st Vostroyan
21-01-2011, 01:10
We have a chapter upgrade. Its called the Death Company box. There isn't really any other models that are needed. Everything else is already out.

Plus you should probably check which forum you are posting in because this so happens to be the fantasy section

Chem-Dog
21-01-2011, 01:31
Plus you should probably check which forum you are posting in because this so happens to be the fantasy section

Indeed...Under the assumption that the next passing mod will slot this in it's rightful place, I'll make like we're already there.


I was hoping for something along the lines of a chapter upgrade. .....As far as Blood Angels go, you have a few cool bits from sanguinary guard sprues that can make a character or sergeant look classy, or use death company bits, a lot of which have the death company x logo on them which would be hard to work into a tactical marine model etc.
am I the only one who thinks this way?

Only about half of the DC kit is trully DC, if you're a little bit careful with the bits you use you'll be fine IF the occasional piece of Death Co marking on non Death Co is a big issue for you.
Sergeants can be marked out in the usual ways, there are more than enough BA style heads to go round and there's a few lovely embossed chapter symbols which just cry out to be used for significant individuals.

Additionally, the DC are something of a core release for the BA, so there's less chance the kit is a splash or that it'll be dropped from shelves which means we can get our lovely BA kits whenever we need them.

Lord Dan
21-01-2011, 03:30
You're not alone - the models are fantastic, but there's nothing to identify the regular marines as "blood angels". For instance if you were in a multiplayer game allied up with, say, a Vampire Count player, your opponent would look across the table and have no idea if he was against:
1) A VC player teamed up with a blood angels player or
2) A VC players teamed up with a generic red space marine player

Very frustrating.

yabbadabba
21-01-2011, 07:47
Aside from artistic inspiration, why would the need one? DA, BT and SW have specific needs which are better addressed as a seperate spure, but aside from a specialist unit or two, BA are just slightly more angry Red Marines. Its always been that way.

But, in order to to prevent a landslide of angry denial, its probably going to come out, but only after GW have had a chance to maximise on box set sales, so maybe 1-2 years time.

rabblerouser
21-01-2011, 09:21
I'm satisfied with what we received. Blood angels are a codex chapter after all. Plus we have a whole set of unique terminators from the space hulk box!

Kirill
21-01-2011, 09:28
As vostroyan said, the chapter upgrade box is basically the death company box. There is so many extra pieces in there with many of them being generic blood angel items, and if you're looking for a bit of extra bling, the sanguinary guard are obviously another place to go, i also strugle to think why you wouldn't use both of these units anyway, as they're fricken cool.

Sparowl
21-01-2011, 09:34
BA have an entire codex, plus specialist boxes. Stop complaining.

You can have your upgrade box after the rest of the first foundings, most of which only have a special character, if that, get an upgrade box. Like, say:

Imperial Fists
White Scars
Iron Hands
Raven Guard
Salamanders

Zweischneid
21-01-2011, 09:50
As said above, the "upgrade-sprue" for Blood Angels is the DC-Box.

There are even Assault Marines/Vanguard Marines in the Hobby-section of the Codex that use DC-bits if I remember correctly.

Lothlanathorian
21-01-2011, 09:53
There is the DC box and the Sanguinary Guard. The bits from both of these kits, as the color section of Codex Angry Marines shows, work just fine as BA specific bits.

nedius
21-01-2011, 12:05
I'm sure that upgrade sprue will eventually come out as a 'bits' pack.

cttran77
21-01-2011, 12:07
Well I agree with you Raisans, I think the Blood Angels should have had a chapter specific sprue (not just Death Company specific). 'course, I also think all the chapters Sparowl listed should also have chapter specific sprues, as well as ULTRAMARINES. Just because they're Codex adherent chapters, doesn't mean they all have to look stylistically the same! The xenos can wait ;-)

Wicksy
21-01-2011, 13:16
The death company bits fit perfectly in any squad. Just paint the "X"'s differently and voila!

While i agree that they arent as nice as the Space Wolf grey hunter box, they are still excellent models that really customise a generic space marine force and make them stand out from all the other marines.

commander of the marines
21-01-2011, 13:23
idd, I even use death company as ordinairy space marines, I've got around 20 standing on my shelf planning on buying at least 10 more

TimLeeson
21-01-2011, 13:46
I'm not a space marine player, but I happen to agree with the OP that they should get a generic BA upgrade sprue. IMO, if they are going to have specific codices for marine chapters - they should make each one as unique as possible. The DC and SG boxes are nice, but expensive and with only 5 models which I can see being problematic for those with less money. Personally I think they should all have the muscled armour style and greek style helmets ect. I also think other first-foundings should get upgrade sprues like Salamanders and Iron Hands.

Zweischneid
21-01-2011, 13:57
I'm not a space marine player, but I happen to agree with the OP that they should get a generic BA upgrade sprue. .

Are you guys having the same DC-box I do?

Of the 10 shoulder-pads in the DC-box, only 3 or 4 have the "DC-cross", the rest are generic Blood Angels iconography... wings, the blood drop, etc.. . Same for the torso's, the helmets, the weapons, arms, etc.., . + additional drop+wing parts just for the sake of it, etc.., etc..,

rabblerouser
21-01-2011, 14:32
Actually now that I really think about it, the blood angels are the best developed chapter by far.

We have:
- A unique flyer shared only with the grey knights
- A unique predator kit
- Death company box - a unique unit
- Sanguinary guard (another unique unit)
- A unique dreadnought kit that builds 3 blood angels only variants
- 7 characters with sculpts
- Space hulk terminators

Other have:
- Chapter upgrade sprue

Yeah I really don't see any reason to complain.

loveless
21-01-2011, 15:40
Er...what's wrong with the Death Company and Sanguinary Guard boxes?

I've already used several extra bits from my Death Company to "Blood-up" my tactical and assault squads, as well as some character choices.

The Sanguinary Guard give all the stylized breastplates and fanciful jump packs you could want - absolutely killer for squad leaders, HQ choices, and various IC's.

Blood angels also have a specific Rhino-chassis tank, which comes with its own upgrade sprue. They'll be getting an awesome Dreadnought in a few weeks, which has tons of extra bits.

I'd say there's little to complain about - at most I'd like a few more chapter-specific seals/pouches/scrolls, but I can typically achieve that with a little green stuff anyway.

Badruk
21-01-2011, 15:45
With the release of new Blood Angels miniatures I found myself disappointed
given the stormraven and the furioso models are incredible, those are only two expensive and specialized units. I was hoping for something along the lines of a chapter upgrade. Black Templars have one, Dark Angels have one, Space Wolves have endless bits and sprues and boxes to make a wolfy space marine army. As far as Blood Angels go, you have a few cool bits from sanguinary guard sprues that can make a character or sergeant look classy, or use death company bits, a lot of which have the death company x logo on them which would be hard to work into a tactical marine model etc.
am I the only one who thinks this way?

Use green stuff to hide them! and even a X is not even bad, the tactical marine wering a X is soon to fall over the Black Rage!

All my Sergeant are set with BA stuff only, legs, chest, head, should ect!
My Vanguard assault is made of DC only and assault chest
My Honor Guard has been build with a Sang box

My whole army look BA Style, with the dread coming up! My regular dread will get new torso!!!

Son of Morkai
21-01-2011, 17:23
Use the DC saltire bits for Assault Marines. OH LOOK YOU HAVE SQUAD MARKINGS.

The Anarchist
21-01-2011, 19:40
having jsut started a flesh tearers force, gotta say i found the BA to be one of the ebst equipped armies sprue wise to make unique units, also some of the forge world stuff is pretty easy to make BA also

Lord Damocles
21-01-2011, 19:45
Er...what's wrong with the Death Company and Sanguinary Guard boxes?
They stop us feeling dissatisfied.


I want to feel hard done by! :mad:

Cry of the Wind
21-01-2011, 20:30
Sorry Raisans, I really struggle to see what you are seeing when it comes to lack of BA bitz. They are a codex chapter overall and already have access to more kits and bitz than any other chapter out there as pointed out by many before me.

I play Angels Encarmine and have no problem with the sprues available when I combine them with FW decals. Long story short, no I don't think many people will agree with you.

owen matthew
21-01-2011, 20:35
Use the new DC modes as normal marines and paint them accordingly. That is what I would do if I played the red menace.

harlekin
21-01-2011, 21:08
While Looking at the sprues, I noticed ,you even have 10 pairs of shoulderpads in the DC-box. Using deathwatchstyle, that means just one generic and one deathwatch/modelled per marine you'll get your tactical squad full.
I'm not too familiar with their fluff, but are the Bloodangels as a whole a band of "blingbling rappers"? Is it necessary to give any standard marine a full loadf of blooddrops and golden figures etc.?
Well, it's a matter of taste of course. Besides, the upgrade sprues for BT and DA give you the ability to personalice your squad in the "deathwatch-style". For paying 5,50 more (at esat in germany) you get 5 (still very unique) models additionally - the DCs and SGs.

All in all i don''t think another 'upgradespue' would be necessary.

jacktheinedible
21-01-2011, 21:26
echoing the death company box idea

if you look through the models section of the codex there is a squad of tactical marines and some assault marines done with bits from the DC box, they look quite spiffy if you ask me. (might be some bikers too...)

Azazyll
21-01-2011, 21:32
personally, I'd rather have a fleshtearers upgrade than another BA one. Good idea on the squad marking - perfect for fifth and sixth squads!

Hendarion
21-01-2011, 21:46
You're not alone - the models are fantastic, but there's nothing to identify the regular marines as "blood angels". For instance if you were in a multiplayer game allied up with, say, a Vampire Count player, your opponent would look across the table and have no idea if he was against:
1) A VC player teamed up with a blood angels player or
2) A VC players teamed up with a generic red space marine player
Poor Marine players are so much spoilt from GW as no xenos would ever hope to be.
Jesus, xenos got nothing else than pure paint schemes... Be glad for what you got to alter your Marines look. If you can't differ between a generic red and a blood angel, you should use more decals or paint chapter icons.

Sorry, but you are whining on a really really high level.

PS:
Each "you" refers to a generic person, not to you specifically, Lord Dan.

TimLeeson
21-01-2011, 21:55
Are you guys having the same DC-box I do?


You quoted the part saying I dont play SM. So, no. But the sprues pics just look like generic marines with loads of blood drops ect to me, am I missing something ? not very imaginative IMO. As I said - I think they should all have the muscled armour like the sanguinary guard do, probably the best marine kit iv seen - and I did buy one box just to paint because i liked the models so much. Bar the characters, the rest of their stuff is boring to me and should look more distinct and creative. For example, I think the Furiso would look better with a more lithe, brutal/pre-heresy look - scouts id make more post-apocalyptic/mad-max looking, no opinion on the baal predator as I find tanks/vehicles uninteresting.

For other chapters, id make a upgrade sprue for Iron hands - loads of bionics, shoulderpads, robotic parts ect, a salamanders sprue with scaled armour, reptile-like helmets ect.

well those are just my thoughts on what id like to see or how id do things, the designer POV I guess.

AndrewGPaul
21-01-2011, 22:40
I'm not too familiar with their fluff, but are the Bloodangels as a whole a band of "blingbling rappers"?

Yes, they are. Renaissance men in Power Armour.


But the sprues pics just look like generic marines with loads of blood drops ect to me, am I missing something ?

As opposed to ... what, exactly? The Dark Angels sprue just makes "generic marines with winged swords and robes", and the Black Templars is even more generic - a lot of the parts aren't particularly Black Templars-specific.

TimLeeson
21-01-2011, 22:55
As opposed to ... what, exactly? The Dark Angels sprue just makes "generic marines with winged swords and robes", and the Black Templars is even more generic - a lot of the parts aren't particularly Black Templars-specific.

I'd retcon DC and make them more vampiric, armour more like mephiston. DA's I'd make more pre-heresy styled, like the artwork on the books, but with more a goth look (the tribe, not the sub-culture). BT's I'd make more generally medieval, particularly german style.

Shab
21-01-2011, 23:16
To the OP: So the brilliant DC sprues ain't good enough for you just because a few bits have the X on them? Seriously? With that attitude you really shouldn't be envious of other chapters' offerings, as I'm sure you'd find much more to whine about if you played them: If you played Templars you'd be whining on why sword brethen are metal and have silly goatees, If you played DA you'd be whining on why Deathwing don't have a dedicated box set and wolfguard do, if you played Space wolves you'd be slitting your wrists because there are still no models for thunderwolf cavalry.

When it comes down to model variety, no one has it as good as the Blood angels.

jack da greenskin
21-01-2011, 23:34
Most xenos races don't have anything specific. I would kill for a deffskull sprue, give a kidney for a badmoon sprue, and sell my grandma for a plastic mordian iron guard upgrade kit (or vostroyan, or tallarn, or valhallan... see where this is going?)

Honestly, I hope you were joking. You have more bitz available than pretty much everyone else, and at the end of the day, you can convert most stuff and FW have bitz. Seriously, kitbashing, its not even real converting its that simple. Take shoulder pad, add shoulder pad, only difference is you need to think about it before assembling (which given the price of models people should be doing anyway).

There is no pleasing some people. JEEEEBUS.

Vaktathi
21-01-2011, 23:45
You're not alone - the models are fantastic, but there's nothing to identify the regular marines as "blood angels". For instance if you were in a multiplayer game allied up with, say, a Vampire Count player, your opponent would look across the table and have no idea if he was against:
1) A VC player teamed up with a blood angels player or
2) A VC players teamed up with a generic red space marine player

Very frustrating.
In all fairness, aside from the more extreme wackiness of their current codex over the last 7 or 8 months, they have always basically been relatively Codex adherent Space Marines, they really shouldn't have gobs of bling and excessive iconography, as they aren't all that different from say, Ultramarines or Imperial Fists on a tac squad level, if they are different at all. (though I also think they really don't need a separate book but that's another topic...)

archont
22-01-2011, 01:28
What none of you people realize is, that you're posting in a troll thread.
I' rather hope so, for if not this could very well become the future parade example for marineplayers-ignorance xD

The DC and SG boxes both work fine, i got those plus regular marines, made the blingblingSG into sergeants, spread the bits betwee everyone... Worked juat fine

Then I literally gave my 400€ Marines to a kid in our gamingclub once i found out why I abandoned powerarmour almost two-and-a-half decades ago

Imho, all the marineBoxes are as versatile & interchangeable as anyone could wish for, with more options and diversity than almost anything else combined :)


Srsly thou, trollthread

Lothlanathorian
22-01-2011, 07:31
I'd retcon DC and make them more vampiric, armour more like mephiston.

Why? DC are just regular Marines who went insane, so their armor is painted black, marked with a red 'X' and they are sent off on a suicide mission. When a Marine has fancier looking armor, it is usually because that specific Marine added things to his own armor or had it tooled up to look awesome. I doubt the foaming-at-the-mouth guys had the presence of mind to do this the handful of hours before battle in which they are, you know, foaming at the mouth and hallucinating. DC aren't a special unit type with a specific role, they are madmen sent to die an honorable death. Fluffwise, anyways. Ruleswise, of course they have a specific role.

The only BA unit that should be an entire unit of blinged-out dudes is a unit of blinged-out dudes. The Sanguinary Guard.

static grass
22-01-2011, 07:46
Is this really a trollthread?

eyescrossed
22-01-2011, 09:24
It does seem like one.

TimLeeson
22-01-2011, 11:04
Why? DC are just regular Marines who went insane, so their armor is painted black, marked with a red 'X' and they are sent off on a suicide mission. When a Marine has fancier looking armor, it is usually because that specific Marine added things to his own armor or had it tooled up to look awesome. I doubt the foaming-at-the-mouth guys had the presence of mind to do this the handful of hours before battle in which they are, you know, foaming at the mouth and hallucinating. DC aren't a special unit type with a specific role, they are madmen sent to die an honorable death. Fluffwise, anyways. Ruleswise, of course they have a specific role.

The only BA unit that should be an entire unit of blinged-out dudes is a unit of blinged-out dudes. The Sanguinary Guard.

why? cos I find their current represenation boring and uncreative from a visual design standpoint, you dont have to agree with any ny thoughts, i just wanted to throw them out - would love to design a marine codex really - started basic stuff like sculpting on shoulderpads ect, i think SM have more visual potential than GW makes imo - and as the most popular/played army I think they deserve (both loyal and chaos I gusss). BA are a massive step forward but could go further I feel, the best thing about them was the flesh tearers character - thats something i felt they should of done for a long time, you know successor characters. I hope future codices follow that and have successsor characters, a lamentors character which has some interesting "luck" rule could be fun for those wanting a challenge for example. DA on the other hand could have things like CYpher to allow for Fallen armies ect

Garven Dreis
22-01-2011, 11:30
CYpher to allow for Fallen armies ect

Nothing stops Chaos players from using Cypher as a Lord model. What exactly does the Fallen have that other Space Marines don't do already, loyalist or otherwise?

AndrewGPaul
22-01-2011, 12:32
they really shouldn't have gobs of bling and excessive iconography, as they aren't all that different from say, Ultramarines or Imperial Fists on a tac squad level, if they are different at all.

I disagree. The Blood Angels' habit of decorating their wargear has been part of their characterisation for fifteen years now. While I don't think they need a full Codex of their own, I do think they're an obvious choice for Chapter-specific pieces.

rabblerouser
22-01-2011, 14:16
One thing GW should really do is cast the shoulder pad from the baal sprue in white metal. I cast that shoulder pad in resin for my own troops, along with a relatively plain looking blood drop shoulder pad for the right arm. I think some of the death company shoulder pads are a little over the top, especially for tactical marines.

Nezalhualixtlan
22-01-2011, 15:17
BA came out *after* Tyranids and already have a second wave of models forthcoming, and you are complaining? I'll grant you a BA upgrade sprue would be awesome, but keep some perspective. Tyranids were missing more units from the codex than BA were already, and there's not even a sign of a second Tyranid wave in the works yet.

Realize this fits into their release schedule because the Storm Raven and Librarian Dreadnoughts are likely to be in the upcoming Grey Knights codex, the models coming out have more to do with that overlap than anything else.

Raisans
07-02-2011, 23:21
i apologize for this post, my brother just started up a BA army and is too lazy and to buy those boxes. im quite satisfied with what the current kits have to offer blood angels players and have a death company heavy army. the original post to this is a fallacy, the blood angels have more than adequate options.

Grimtuff
08-02-2011, 01:34
i apologize for this post, my brother just started up a BA army and is too lazy and to buy those boxes.

Yet he is not at all struck with lethargy when buying standard SM boxes. Go figure. :confused: I have to say, it truly is the most pathetic excuse for a rant ever.

Inquisitor Engel
08-02-2011, 01:42
Try playing the Imperial Fists... The Emperor's Praetorians! We get NOTHING. NOTHING.

We have to file away the things that don't scream that we've stolen from other Chapters (The Blood Angels Death Company box, by the way, is fantastic) and hope no one notices...

You should count yourself so lucky...

TheLaughingGod
08-02-2011, 01:45
Try playing the Imperial Fists... The Emperor's Praetorians! We get NOTHING. NOTHING.

We have to file away the things that don't scream that we've stolen from other Chapters (The Blood Angels Death Company box, by the way, is fantastic) and hope no one notices...

You should count yourself so lucky...

You at least get a hammer that hits as hard as a Tau Railgun :P

Sparowl
08-02-2011, 06:05
You at least get a hammer that hits as hard as a Tau Railgun :P

Yeah. I'm waiting for our codex, though.

Where we'll have more the one character to represent the chapter.

And if we get more characters, can we also get a Librarian Greater Daemon, like Blood Angels? That would be cool.