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Wakerofgods
22-01-2011, 21:48
Hey guys,

I've never played 40k before (played warhammer/mordhiem) and I'm thinking of starting necrons.

I'm curious to know of the reasons necrons look good to me are actually true.

The reasons I want necrons are:
Easy to paint.
Won't need lots of models.
Seem fairly cheap.
Looks like I could make an army out of nearly just swarms, necron warriors and destroyers.

So basically I'm looking for an army I can get together quickly, with fairly few models and without being all that expensive. Of course I mainly want to have an army that will give me a good feel for 40k and help me tell if it's for me. But also a big factor is that this is about as small a project as an army can be. At the moment warhammer and mordhiem terrain is my focus which is why I'm thinking necrons instead of tau or tyranids (which I might do later if 40k is for me).

My current plan is to get the battalion box or possibly two of them, chuck a character or two in and start playing. I'm thinking the necrons look very easy to paint for a 'table top standard is everything' painter like me - just like the skeletons from my old VC army that could be painted four times as fast as any other troops.

So I guess what I'm asking is, could I get an army made from mainly warriors and destroyers, paint it quickly with drybrushing and start to get a reasonable feel for 40k?

Shnerg
22-01-2011, 21:52
SM are your best bet. Necrons have a painfully old codex and are very unforgiving.

Aiestz
22-01-2011, 21:57
You will get pounded by CC armies, It's sad but it's the truth. Besides that, you can get a reasonable force of necrones quite cheap and as you said they're really easy to paint if you want.

If you don't want to try with SM then go with Necrons but you will have to play very good if you want to win more than lose.

Wakerofgods
22-01-2011, 21:59
SM are your best bet. Necrons have a painfully old codex and are very unforgiving.

Thanks for the warning, that is a little worrying. Unfortunately space marines are not for me. I am very uninterested in starting an army that so many people around here (and my understanding is everywhere) play.

I know a lot of people (at least on the fantasy side of these forums) say build the army you want not what fits best with your club - but I don't fully agree with that idea.

I hate the idea of fighting battles against the same army (especially regularly!) far more then I like the idea of space marines (which I do).

So thank you very much for the suggestion and warning (I appreciate it :)) - but I'm absolutely not building space marines, frankly half the reason I'm taking such a cautious approach to starting 40k is because of the vast amount of people around that play the same army. The local enviroment matters a great deal to me - it is after all the people I'd be playing with for at least the next few years!

Shnerg
22-01-2011, 22:09
Thanks for the warning, that is a little worrying. Unfortunately space marines are not for me. I am very uninterested in starting an army that so many people around here (and my understanding is everywhere) play.

I respect you for saying that. 'Crons are due for a release some time this year, so I'd hold off until then. Try Dark Eldar, as there are 3 different list types, and lots of freedom to experiment. If you master DE too, you'll find that most other armies are easy to get to grips with.

Korraz
22-01-2011, 22:15
It's sad, but the simple truth is "Necrons are bad." Oh, sure, with enough force you can squeeze a playable army out of the codex. Sure, with enough finesse and luck you can get wins. But it won't be fun. Pushing the same models around, again and again and again, because strolling one step from the path means horrible death, won't be fun. Getting mutilated because of one small mistake you made, because you underestimated the sprint roll that one time, or because that flanking unit moved one inch further than you expected, won't be fun. By now, Necrons are outdone in every single territory, save durability, where they are, over all, on the same level as Blood Angels, Chaos Space Marines and Orks.

yshabash
23-01-2011, 01:44
if your thinking of starting go witha begginer army like SM, CSM or orks

though necrons are the cheapest money wise space and CSM aren't too expensive compared to other armies and necrons are considered one of the hardest armies (up there beside DE.) Simply because you as necrons will almost never have as many troops as your opponent and every time one of your models dies you feel like crying cause you just lost half of your army (ok maybe I'm exaggerating but you get the point.) Necrons are pretty easy when its your turn and can do a great job at destruction and you have great saves as well as the regenerate ability backing you up. It's just when everybody notices your there that things start to get bad. Necrons have a rigorous structure so witha few well placed charges your army can fall apart and moving 2 inches to the side will give you unforgiving results. the only time when he going is easy for necrons is really when you team up with someone thats very good at getting all the attention (nids, orks, tau, dark eldar) in order to give you time to set up your assault. Once ever unit in your army is in the perfect position it is all too late for the enemy.

megatrons2nd
23-01-2011, 02:23
Go ahead and get the Necrons. If you build a small force now you can learn the rules. Sure your going to lose, but every time you start a new game/army you will lose more than you win. Unless your really lucky/have a great tactical mind. Have fun, learn the basics, kick but when the army is updated.

Blink
23-01-2011, 02:34
Sure, with enough finesse and luck you can get wins. But it won't be fun.

That's... not true at all. I have a ton of fun winning with Necron. They take plenty of strategy and fine tuning to win with, but that doesn't mean they're not fun.

eyescrossed
23-01-2011, 03:55
The fact that Necrons also have very few options within units is a massive turnoff for me, though.

I mean, you have one HQ (besides 2 Special Characters), and 1 Troops choice. No units have any options for wargear or anything except for maybe one useless option nobody ever takes.


What I mean is, if you have a Lord, 3 squads of Warriors and a squad of Destroyers, your army will be exactly the same as someone with the same units, whereas with any other duplicate army they'll be vastly different because of special weapons and such.

Azulthar
23-01-2011, 08:53
If your games aren't too competitive Necrons can be a lot of fun. It's probably still my favorite army to play with, but I play them almost exclusively against friends.

Unfortunately it's the more expensive models (Wraiths, Immortals, etc.) that are the best. An army of mostly Warriors and Scarabs won't be that scary.

Wakerofgods
23-01-2011, 09:28
Thanks for the honest warnings guys - I appreciate it.

I'll steer clear of 40k for now. If I run out of projects and feel like doing a more modeling/painting intensive army I might do a 40k army then (tyranids or tau perhaps) but untill I'm willing to do that I'll keep my distance.

Or possibly when the new necron book comes out, I might then be able to do my easy to make and paint force of '40k skellies'.

Thanks again guys, looks like you've saved me from some dissapointment!

Lord Damocles
23-01-2011, 09:41
The fact that Necrons also have very few options within units is a massive turnoff for me, though.
This is why if you want loads of options you play Marines. Or Guard. Or Orks. Etc.
Necrons have never been about having loads of options (in terms of units or equipment).

In the same way that Eldar are about specialised units and skimmers. If you want generalists and tracked vehicles, Eldar aren't for you.

eyescrossed
23-01-2011, 09:44
It just makes the army boring.

ewar
23-01-2011, 11:30
Thanks for the honest warnings guys - I appreciate it.

I'll steer clear of 40k for now. If I run out of projects and feel like doing a more modeling/painting intensive army I might do a 40k army then (tyranids or tau perhaps) but untill I'm willing to do that I'll keep my distance.

Or possibly when the new necron book comes out, I might then be able to do my easy to make and paint force of '40k skellies'.

Thanks again guys, looks like you've saved me from some dissapointment!

That's a shame. I'm mostly a WFB player, but do 40k for the modelling and for a change of game occasionally. If you like making scenery, you can also have a blast putting together boards covered in terrain (much more so than WFB).

As for Necrons - one of my gaming buddies uses them as does totally fine and really enjoys playing with them. I'm a WFB tournament player, but only play 40k casually and I definitely struggle to beat them.

Immortals seem to completely dominate - teleporting around the table, with T5 and a res orb making them feel nigh indestructible. Monoliths are also a complete bitch to destroy - ignoring lance and melta rules is absolutely awesome.

Therefore my advice is to go for it - it's no use listening to strangers on an internet forum, if you like the models buy them and the game will be a laugh.

Drachii
23-01-2011, 11:40
Words of Wisdom

+1. Also, if you have your 'crons army and then a new codex comes out for them, you've beaten both the 'rush' and the probably-inevitable price hike ;)

EDIT: Oooh, first post.

PreacherBoyRoy
23-01-2011, 12:38
Necrons can be a very rewarding army to play with. yes you will lose your first 3-5 games, yes they are still hard to win with even after you get the hang of them. however, when you do pull out that win it feels great. Necrons are not a good tournament army with their outdated codex, but some of the members on warseer still take them and have done rather well. honestly if i were you i'd go for them. at the moment they are a simple army to collect, paint, and play (oh and no squad options means a whole lot less rules to remember). I started necrons in their current state and have done very well after learning the basic rules. all in all you wont find them easy to win with, but the simplicity of Necrons makes it easy to learn the game.

Korraz
23-01-2011, 13:23
Make 3-5 months out of the games. If you play against decent players.

PreacherBoyRoy
23-01-2011, 13:48
Make 3-5 months out of the games. If you play against decent players.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. if your are trying to say that instead of losing 3-5 games, he'll lose 3-5 months of games. well that really depends on how fast he can evolve his play style to optimize the weaknesses in his opponents armies.

ewar
23-01-2011, 13:54
Make 3-5 months out of the games. If you play against decent players.

If you mean he couldn't win a game for 3-5 months, then this is exactly the sort of internet hyperbole the OP should completely ignore.

What nonsense.

Inquisitor Kallus
23-01-2011, 14:13
If you enjoy modelling, whu not make some Necron terrain and a board of you dont already have one. Have a browse through the codex the next time youre down at your local store and see if anything inspires you, or you could look on the internet as theres some great stuff out there. There truly is nothing like playing on great terrain, so if the Necrons are really what youre after it could be cool to give it a try, then when the new Codex comes out youll be able to play some awesome games.

Ville
23-01-2011, 16:22
Remember that not all armies are CC specialists. I find Necrons to be quite intimidating opponents when facing them with my guard. They're just so darn resilient, small arms fire seems to be nearly useless and The Monolith usually just laughs at my attempts to destroy it. I don't see much risk at painting a small army and giving them a try.

Wakerofgods
23-01-2011, 20:54
Thanks for the further replies guys.

That point about having an army up and ready before the new codex comes out is a good one - although I do have to worry about having 40 odd warriors only to see some awesome new warrior models come out that I love the look of!

I was reading the old white dwarf from the month that the current necron codex first came out and the painting guide they had in there was extremely simple (Spray black, drybrush several layers of different metal paint, paint gun black with green cord, base, glue in green rod, done). That painting guide has really lodged itself in my head - it made out like the whole necron army was going to be very fast and easy to paint!

At the moment that ease to paint is a massive factor to me. However, I'm quite on the fence about the whole 40k thing - the ease to paint and what looks like fairly cheap cost* being a massive plus. If it was something I really wanted to do I'd do it regardless of the armies effectiveness. But since I'm so on the fence over 40k as a whole (looks really fun to try it, but painting another army atm is a hurdle) being warned that I won't win many of my games is enough to 'push me over' that fence to the side of caution and continuing on with mordhiem terrain and my warriors of chaos warhammer army.

I am loving the look of necrons and that in itself might now weedle itself further into my head and turn this into something I've just 'got to do' but at the moment it's not there yet - so the idea of losing most of my games even when I learn to play is a big turn off. Basically I want to play the army that I want to play (within reason) and win 40% of the games that I play if I'm playing the game as well as the opponent and barring extreme luck one way or the other.

I do have one important question though...does anyone know if the necron warrior box will be replaced? If it isn't - then I could always buy a single regement box and paint them up without having to worry that they wont fit in with any new models.

*(I was thinking of getting two battalion boxes of necrons, a lord model and just leaving it at that, or at least for a while)

Korraz
23-01-2011, 21:26
Nobody knows. The design is solid, as a principle. However, Necron Warriors gaining options, getting slight redesigns or even a major overhaul isn't entirely out of the question.

Necromion
23-01-2011, 21:40
Ive been playing Necrons for awhile now and my only real complaint about playing them is more about the community where I play then anything. But besides if your looking for an easy army to paint go with the Necrons. However I would also suggest getting a monolith as well.

Blink
24-01-2011, 00:41
I will also say that our Battleforce is a very good buy right now if for no other reason than Necron models are very easy to convert. So the extra Warriors and Destroyers is certainly nice.