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ExquisiteEvil
20-03-2006, 17:38
Hi!

After browsing this forum and seeing all the interesting projects, I thoughtd Id throw my lot in.

Whilst on another forum I noticed a ''500pt army painting challenge'' and so needing a serious hit of motivation I decided to enter. I have numerous uncompleted armies(many still on the sprues!) sitting around gathering dust so I ran a poll on which I should do and the winner was Pre-Heresy Worldeaters!

With this choice made for me it was on to designing an armylist. Rather than using Codex Chaos I wanted to emulate the WorldEaters before their fall to the Darkside - basically ferocious warriors who would do all they could to close with the enemy and tear them limb from limb!

After toying with the idea of using Codex Space Marines and a couple of traits to show this in game and on the models I came across Codex Black Templars. I was actually just getting some ideas on alternate armour variants, but after thumbing through the rules I decided they fit the bill perfectly!

So with that dilemma over with, I came to the next - What to include in my 500pts..???

I wanted something that was game legal, small enough to spend some time converting but have a variety of models to enable various painting techniques, whilst being (somewhat) usable in the future. I also wanted to stay as true to Horus Heresy fluff as possible as far as weapons go. Here's what I came up with...

Commander(Marshal) -
Boltpistol
Mastercrafted power wpn
Iron Halo
(135)

8 Worldeaters (initiates)
Bolt pistols + ccws
Powerfist
(143)

5 Worldeaters (initiates)
Bolters
Missile Launcher
(90)

Predator Destructor
lascannons
(125)

total- 493pts

So thats it for the time being. Im off to dig out those Space Marine sprues and some green stuff and get started!

Keep an eye out for some WIP shots....

ExquisiteEvil
20-03-2006, 17:41
Ok guys n gals...

first up- A WIP shot of my 'test' mini...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/we2.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/WE1.jpg


I have to apologise for the crap pics - Im still experimenting...but I hope you get the idea.

For the White amour, I went for a black undercoat followed by Shadow Grey then spacewolves grey.lastly 2 coats of thinned skull white, with a third coat evrywhere but where there would be shadows...

The white is finished on the front of the models left greave and left foot. the rest is at the SWGrey stage. So far I think it looks ok - alot better in real life anyway!

I might give the 'spiky james' technique a go to compare results. I have no doubt it will be quicker!

Look out for more soon!

immortal99
20-03-2006, 17:43
Sounds like a cool project! Make sure to file down the trim on the shoulder pads, ad some of those boobles on legs etc. and use some of those heads which you get in the new SM boxes - take a look at 'The sons of orar' - a pre heresy chapter created by some eavy metal painter. They are pre heresy (except for bolters) and are very good for inspiration.

EDIT: I see you have the heads of which I talked of, make sure you do the boobly shoulder pads!

Unique1
20-03-2006, 17:43
looking nice, is that a plasic marine, or a metal older armour model?

ExquisiteEvil
20-03-2006, 17:44
Ok, so a little change of plan.

I was originally going to use Mk6 legs heads etc and use the old metal models for the mk5 and mk4 varients of power armour....

However...

I found that the metal varients tend to be alot smaller(not to mention more static in pose) as their new plasic counterparts.

The solution?

Covert the plastics of course! So here are a couple of (bad quality!) shots of my initial converts

Pic of a few varients Ive started on-
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pics005.jpg

Pic of the start of some plastic Mk4 legs(with comparison) -
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/altlegs.jpg
I just need some green stuff to enlarge the bottom of the kneepads then finished

I will do a mix of Mk4 and Mk5 style legs in plastic like the above and maybe even attempt some mk3 too.

I will also follow through with helmets and torsos too.

Comments/Critisisms so far appreciated!

EE

ExquisiteEvil
20-03-2006, 17:46
Have been converting up some more legs and torsos and even started work on some helmets!

The converting for the first 5man tactical squad with missile launcer is almost complete.

I will post some images once they are stuck together.

In the meantime a found an interesting thread on converting pre-heresy style Bolters, which can be found here...

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28681

I may give it a go, and let you know how I got on.

Comments appreciated !

EE

Unique1
20-03-2006, 17:47
thats a champion idea!

be sure to use lots of the lurvely ne Black Templar older armour stuff such as the MK4 helm and others like the bodies.

Hideous Loon
20-03-2006, 17:47
Looks promising, all you need to do is to cut off the cable that goes between the foot and shin, as it's not a part of Mk:IV legs. And file them down, they were thinner than the Mk:VI ones.

ExquisiteEvil
20-03-2006, 17:50
looking nice, is that a plasic marine, or a metal older armour model?

The 'test' mini Is one of the older metal marines.

As you can see from the above post I decided against mixing these in with the newer plastics due to a significant scale difference.

I will most likely cut up the metal models I have and use parts of them with the plastics.

ExquisiteEvil
20-03-2006, 17:55
Looks promising, all you need to do is to cut off the cable that goes between the foot and shin, as it's not a part of Mk:IV legs. And file them down, they were thinner than the Mk:VI ones.

I am going to leave some of the cables and such on some marines and take off others. I am hoping to make every marine an individual, even if its only a 'slight' change.

As far as filing down - I want the Marines to be bulkier than the older metals. The process of resculpting keepads does take quite alot of plastic off but Im going to leave it at that!

Call it artistic licence:)

Tom
20-03-2006, 18:17
Just a note, if you're looking for MkIV stuff, FOrgeworld are doing a Red Scorpions veteran squad entirely in it. It's got icons, but conveniently they're recessed, just GS over them and put on the WE icon.

vargojones
20-03-2006, 18:52
I'm thinking of doing a Luna Wolves command squad, so i might have to borrow some of your ideas on the converting etc. Just need to find some definitive paint schemes and chapter iconography, of which there seems to be a severe derth. I just think the pre heresy chapters have so much to offer in terms of modelling and variety.

Good luck with your world eaters though.

ExquisiteEvil
20-03-2006, 19:00
I'm thinking of doing a Luna Wolves command squad, so i might have to borrow some of your ideas on the converting etc. Just need to find some definitive paint schemes and chapter iconography, of which there seems to be a severe derth. I just think the pre heresy chapters have so much to offer in terms of modelling and variety.

Good luck with your world eaters though.

Thank you!

As soon as I get the first squad painted, Ill run a few tutorials on the armour varients when I come to make my 2nd squad.

ExquisiteEvil
20-03-2006, 19:03
Just a note, if you're looking for MkIV stuff, FOrgeworld are doing a Red Scorpions veteran squad entirely in it. It's got icons, but conveniently they're recessed, just GS over them and put on the WE icon.

Yeah - ive just seen then (after I started this project funnily enough!)

My first squad will be entirely converted, and if the Red Scorpion stuff is out by the time I get to the second squad I might get me some!!!

Ill still need to convert the legs though as it looks like its just torsos and helmets.

dark angel
20-03-2006, 19:13
good luck and there looking nice so far

vargojones
20-03-2006, 20:47
Not to steal exquiste evils thunder, but i had a quick bash at throwing a pre heresy marine together. took about half an hour, and will form the basis of my test mini. All that was involved was a fantasy chaos warrior helmet, a cut down bolter, and a squared off backpack (could be squared off more)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/Vargojones/heresy3.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/Vargojones/heresy2.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/Vargojones/heresy1.jpg

inspiration here:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-rising/images/hr-wallpaper-1280.jpg

TanithScout
21-03-2006, 00:54
that looks pretty damn good, and i dunno how authentic you want it but

(nit picky) the emperor's children were the only space marines at that time allowed to have the imperial eagle on their chest at that time ;)

Warboss Garfang
21-03-2006, 01:16
Woah, that's an awesome conversion, great job! Deffinately has the right feel.

Darkseer
21-03-2006, 07:01
Very nice.

I always believed that the world eaters never changed their colourscheme, they just got covered in gore instead. lol.

Rabid Bunny 666
21-03-2006, 10:25
good so far, and a tip for heresy boltguns: place the magazine at the front of the gun, and move hte grip back, i did it on my deathgaurd (sold now) and its simple and looks good

gibon
21-03-2006, 10:57
Looking good at the moment. Super idea too.

MIGHTYPanhead
21-03-2006, 17:08
that looks pretty damn good, and i dunno how authentic you want it but

(nit picky) the emperor's children were the only space marines at that time allowed to have the imperial eagle on their chest at that time ;)

I don't think that's how it was, i mean, I'm most likely wrong, but i think it was that they were the only chapter allowed to have the eagle in their heraldry I'm pretty sure that other chapters could have the eagle on heir armour, but again, i'm not 100% on it. Just seems somewhat absurd to forbid the symbol of your empire to your elite troops... but, y'know

anyways, comments, besides "love it" i can't elaborate much more (but watch! I just might)

the converted legs is certainly inspired, and i'll be looking foreward to the result of it!

ExquisiteEvil
21-03-2006, 21:31
I don't think that's how it was, i mean, I'm most likely wrong, but i think it was that they were the only chapter allowed to have the eagle in their heraldry I'm pretty sure that other chapters could have the eagle on heir armour, but again, i'm not 100% on it. Just seems somewhat absurd to forbid the symbol of your empire to your elite troops... but, y'know

anyways, comments, besides "love it" i can't elaborate much more (but watch! I just might)

the converted legs is certainly inspired, and i'll be looking foreward to the result of it!

No, he is quite correct - onlt the Emperors children bore the imperial eagle on their chest pre-heresy.

Which is why all my Worldeaters wont have ay eagles:)

Thanks for all the comments so far - look out for some more WIP pics ater today or tomorrow - I might wait until I get the daylight back for better pics:D

crandall87
22-03-2006, 02:18
They are looking good so far.

ExquisiteEvil
22-03-2006, 16:55
UPDATE!

Well The Green stuff work on the first squad is done, but m waiting for it to cure a little more so I can file the armour plates smooth(er)...

In the meantime heres the WIP shots with some descriptions...

First up a converted metal mk5 marine -

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/94b1ec14.jpg
The torso just wasnt doing it for me so I bulked it out! this guy still needs a little GS work and will most likely become a Plasma gunner for the missile squad.I know its not in my original plans - but I have 7pts to still spend and I think that with all the extra armour it makes sense for him to carry a dangerous weapon.

Next up some helmet varients-

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/15fe8bbd.jpg
Cut from a mk4 metal with a little GS work to fix the damage

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/55f92a38.jpg
first attempt at making a mk5 style helmet - got my inspiration from the heresy artwork more than the metal available.made from a cut down 'beakie' with added grill and GS pipes. Its a little uneven, but I like its look and will make better versions of it!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/30bd4576.jpg
My first attempt at a mk4 style helmet.Like with the mk5 i didnt want to just carbon copy the metal version - I want a little variation between each helmet(like the current range). I got this flatter 'style' of mk4 idea from the new Red Scorpion forge world stuff (which is in their new catalogue but I cannot post because of IP...If you want to see Ill email it to you if you ask nice... ). all that is left to do is add pipes either side -et voila!
EDIT - I didnt realise - but you can see a profile view in the mk5 metal pic...

Next up - Torsos and legs.....

ExquisiteEvil
22-03-2006, 17:10
Now torsos -

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/57584a50.jpg
Basically I have cut all of the imperial eagles off of the chest plates to emulate that pre-heresy only the Emperors Children had such nonsense on their armour. you will also see a heavily GS's Ironwarriors torso for my Mk3 iron armour.This will go with....

Mk3 legs...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/026ae667.jpg
as you can see if used GS to get that bulked out plate feeling - this was just an experiment, but I like how it 'feels' so Im going to do more...

Ive also had a go at making the mk6 legs more mk5 like in appearance-
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/pics026.jpg

Lastly some running mk4 legs for my squad armed with CC wpns -
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/6e17eb92.jpg
This was quite major as I had to actually take off the kneepad and then rebuild alot of the thigh with GS - I think the result was worth the time it took though. Ill probably also do at least 1 running mk3 style set of legs, aswell as some mk5 ones...

ExquisiteEvil
22-03-2006, 17:19
Lastly i Thought Id show my completed mk4 legs with a shot of (half) of the squad...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/pics025.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/pics027.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/pics029.jpg

As you can see on the above image I have even stupted the side armour joints that the mk4 legs have.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/pics003.jpg

As I said half of the squad togeter (albiet their bottom halves...lol)

So that it so far - Hopefully will stick them together today and get some more pics once undercoated...

As always comment/critiques are most welcome!

EE

malika
22-03-2006, 17:29
this (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28681) might help you with the bolters.

TanithScout
24-03-2006, 00:13
those are look superb ExquisiteEvil, im loving it. good job on getting the torsos smoothed, isnt it a complete pain in the ass?

this has inspired me to pick up my pre heresy project again, mine being captain garro and his 70 marines : D keept it up!

Tom
24-03-2006, 01:29
I found that just gently layering superglue over the flattened areas helps fill in any cracks. You're an inspiration, EE.

ExquisiteEvil
24-03-2006, 03:35
those are look superb ExquisiteEvil, im loving it. good job on getting the torsos smoothed, isnt it a complete pain in the ass?

this has inspired me to pick up my pre heresy project again, mine being captain garro and his 70 marines : D keept it up!

I have to say the torso's can be annoying but I have found them to be the 'easiest' part of the conversions...

Now the helmets on the other hand....I was giving the mk4 style some GS pipes and it took a good 40mins!! I swore profusely several times and nearly just scrapped the thing, but on my last attempt got something reasonable looking - not as good as I wanted, but then Im a perfectionist and nothing ever is...;)

If anyone has any ideas/tips about sculpting the more fiddly bits on SM helmets, PLEASE let me know! I might just resort to carving up my remaining 3mk4 and 4 mk5 metals

Thanks for the praise though!

ExquisiteEvil
24-03-2006, 03:39
I found that just gently layering superglue over the flattened areas helps fill in any cracks. You're an inspiration, EE.

Thanks!

I might give it a go.

Speaking of 'smoothing' is there anything I can do to smooth GreenStuff after its dry?

I tried to file but the results aint too good....

squigsnok
24-03-2006, 03:47
As someone looking to also do a whole army of mk4 coolness, how exactly have you done the kneepads. Is it just filing down of the curved mk7 kneepads, or is it more complicated than that?

ExquisiteEvil
24-03-2006, 04:31
As someone looking to also do a whole army of mk4 coolness, how exactly have you done the kneepads. Is it just filing down of the curved mk7 kneepads, or is it more complicated than that?

Cut down and smoothed off with a modeling knife - on some Ive used green stuff to 'padout' the bottoms

I'll be doing a tutorial as soon as I get the first squad painted!

Glad you like them!

Hortwerth
24-03-2006, 09:12
Speaking of 'smoothing' is there anything I can do to smooth GreenStuff after its dry?

I tried to file but the results aint too good....


Just take your time and smooth it while it's flexible, use some paintbrush and acetone or other mild thinner, and brush it for a few minutes.

After it's dry it can be filed, but after a few days, when the GS is finally set, and the results are always not the best. For filing and working on a set material, I recommend Magic Sculpt.
It's not as good for fine detail as GS, sticks to surfaces worse, but is No1 for clothes, cloaks, capes, and tabards, and for armour surfaces. It can basically be smoothed with a wet finger, and brush+water makes absolute wonders with it! Plus, it sets in 2 hours completely, and is perfectly workable for 1,5h, after which time it quite rapidly hardens. That means faster stage-by-stage sculpts.

Both putties can and should be cut with a sharp knife after they're set but before they harden totally. I always sculpt a bit larger edges of not-organical surfaces and then cut them at an agle - this way I can smooth the surface and get the sharp edge on the same item,

Cutting Magic Sculp after a few days is hard, whereas GS shows another properties then, and any not-smooth surfaces can be treated with a file or knife just like plastic parts.

ExquisiteEvil
24-03-2006, 16:13
Just take your time and smooth it while it's flexible, use some paintbrush and acetone or other mild thinner, and brush it for a few minutes.

After it's dry it can be filed, but after a few days, when the GS is finally set, and the results are always not the best. For filing and working on a set material, I recommend Magic Sculpt.
It's not as good for fine detail as GS, sticks to surfaces worse, but is No1 for clothes, cloaks, capes, and tabards, and for armour surfaces. It can basically be smoothed with a wet finger, and brush+water makes absolute wonders with it! Plus, it sets in 2 hours completely, and is perfectly workable for 1,5h, after which time it quite rapidly hardens. That means faster stage-by-stage sculpts.

Both putties can and should be cut with a sharp knife after they're set but before they harden totally. I always sculpt a bit larger edges of not-organical surfaces and then cut them at an agle - this way I can smooth the surface and get the sharp edge on the same item,

Cutting Magic Sculp after a few days is hard, whereas GS shows another properties then, and any not-smooth surfaces can be treated with a file or knife just like plastic parts.

thanks for that...

I smoothed the GS the best I could whilst it was 'wet' and it looked fine - but now its cured, the more I look at it the more I can pick out faults...

It is really my first time using GS for actual sculpting - since it came out ive just been using it to fill gaps and strengthen joints.

Also I have no sculpting tools - just my trusty craft knife, which I use the point for detail and flat edge for smoothing....With that in mind I guess im not doing too badly!

You mentioned acetate though - anybody know where to get it?Im in Canada.

ZAChos
24-03-2006, 16:59
I use vaseline and a gw sculpting tool for my gs, and smoothe it with a finger and more vaseline. Also, when adding gs to be sulpted, add more than you need and take bits away when its hardened a bit, rather than adding little bits to get exactly the amount you want.

Yodhrin
24-03-2006, 17:35
Vaseline is good stuff, but avoid using it until you've applied the GS and got a rough shape, or you can have problems getting the GS to stick to the model. Liberal amounts of spit is fine for roughing out the shape, then smooth using the tool + vaseline, and finally finger + vaseline. Should give you a really even finish.

Tom
24-03-2006, 21:31
Thanks to ExqEv, I've done MkIV, V, VIa (the Mk5 chestplate with the 4 and 8 o'clock cables removed- the normal 'out of the box' Mk5 I call MkVIb) and VIII armour in my second Tac squad, and a rough MkII-III in my Assault Squad for my Raptors.

Scorpio
25-03-2006, 03:23
They are looking great! I cant wait to see more!

-Scorpio

ExquisiteEvil
26-03-2006, 05:14
Thanks to ExqEv, I've done MkIV, V, VIa (the Mk5 chestplate with the 4 and 8 o'clock cables removed- the normal 'out of the box' Mk5 I call MkVIb) and VIII armour in my second Tac squad, and a rough MkII-III in my Assault Squad for my Raptors.

Great to hear it!

I look forward to some pics:D

Anyway, Ive away from home (due work:rolleyes: )for the last few days and havent been able to do much more - but Im going home tomorrow and have the day off Monday so keep your eyes peeled for updates soon...!

ExquisiteEvil
27-03-2006, 20:07
OK just a quick update...

Im in the middle of building and painting my first squad

The first batch will be these 3 guys-

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/HPIM0228.jpg

As you can see Im leaving off the Shoulder pads, bolters and backpacks for ease of painting.

Here is a 'mockup' of the guys holding the weapons though...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/HPIM0230.jpg

And lastly here is some inspiration artwork from the Horus Heresy CCG...

http://www.pa-sy.com/hhccg/images/wronde.jpg

As you can see the bolter casings are white in the pic, but Ive decided to take some artstic license and make them black...
Also my first squad is the 'fire support' squad and so carry bolters, but when I come to do my next squad I will try and make a homage to the main marine in the picture...

Right my undercoat should be about dry now, so Im off to start to add some paint!

Until next time - Enjoy!

As always Comments apprectiated!

EE

Zactar
27-03-2006, 20:19
that chest piece on the front marine on the ccg can be found in the black templar crusader sprue as well as the helmet

ExquisiteEvil
27-03-2006, 20:44
that chest piece on the front marine on the ccg can be found in the black templar crusader sprue as well as the helmet

Thank you!

I have some of the BT pieces and will use them, but also wanted to mix in some other varients, which is why I made some helmets myself:D

I am also going to use some of the forgeworld bits when they come out

malika
27-03-2006, 20:52
Hmm very cool, just that Bolter...I dunno I know GW is contradicting itself with the bolters or at least have several models of them but personally I would like to see a more pre heresy version of the model.

ExquisiteEvil
27-03-2006, 22:33
Hmm very cool, just that Bolter...I dunno I know GW is contradicting itself with the bolters or at least have several models of them but personally I would like to see a more pre heresy version of the model.

DONT WORRY!

The bolters will be done, I just wanted to post a mockup pic...

I my not copy the heresy bolter *exactly* (ie with th magazine at he front) but I will change them somehow

Zheardok
27-03-2006, 23:16
Pretty neat. Needs some work though.

malika
27-03-2006, 23:28
DONT WORRY!

The bolters will be done, I just wanted to post a mockup pic...

I my not copy the heresy bolter *exactly* (ie with th magazine at he front) but I will change them somehow
Well there is the more 2nd edition looking bolter, and the one that looks like the Rogue Trader bolter, I would go for the latter one personally! Perhaps add the blade of a chainaxe to the thing :evilgrin:

ExquisiteEvil
27-03-2006, 23:42
Pretty neat. Needs some work though.

Well its WIP but care to elaborate???

ExquisiteEvil
03-04-2006, 17:42
ok - just a quick update...

Over the last few days I have been moving into a new apartment and so havent been able to finish painting my firsty batch of marines...

Luckily the next thing on my list is to setup my painting 'station' and should be able to get back to it on Tuesday!

EE

ExquisiteEvil
11-04-2006, 19:58
ok - just a quick update...

Over the last few days I have been moving into a new apartment and so havent been able to finish painting my firsty batch of marines...

Luckily the next thing on my list is to setup my painting 'station' and should be able to get back to it on Tuesday!

EE

Hmmm if only - a week later and the move is just complete...

ANYWAY - I finally managed to do some painting last night and have about 50% finished my first guy...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/PICT1838.jpg

As I said still quite alot to work on but hopefully you can see the effect that Im going for - That being a more tonal white rather than just greylining.

Ive got the whole day off so plan to do some more work on this guy(and his buddies)

on a side note 2 things to mention. Firstly I have ordered the mk4 vets parts from forgeworld, they were just too nice not to! I will use these aswell as my converted parts to add some more variety.

secondly Ive been experimenting with a technique to make 'studs on the armour(a tip I got from InquisitorJonathan on the 'warhammer Forum'

Here is the first result(on my warseer chapter entry non the less...)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/pre-heresy%20marines/386f10d9.jpg
If you didnt spot it its on the models left greave. i like the result and prefer its subtlety to the 'brass pin' method.

as always comments/critique/questions welcome!

EE

Hortwerth
11-04-2006, 20:47
It's white glue, right? It was presented in a white dwarf a while back and it made me start using it again too. The paperclip was what I was missing with its flat ending.

You may want to mark the spots with a scratch or small pin-pressed hole, as the studs tend to fall off easily with little force used on them.

ExquisiteEvil
11-04-2006, 20:57
It's white glue, right? It was presented in a white dwarf a while back and it made me start using it again too. The paperclip was what I was missing with its flat ending.

You may want to mark the spots with a scratch or small pin-pressed hole, as the studs tend to fall off easily with little force used on them.

thats right - PVA or 'white' glue...

You're correct about the studs being 'brittle' and coming off easily. I the next ones I do I will make the hole you suggested - thanks for the tip!

I may try and experiment with superglue too -that may make them moe resilient?

Hortwerth
11-04-2006, 21:20
I may try and experiment with superglue too -that may make them moe resilient?

No, it won't work.

The point is that PVA glue is for glueing "rough" surfaces, like wood or paper, that have lots of microscopic fibres. The glue flows in between them and then hardens, connecting the two pieces by holding them by larger surface than in seems. The problem with PVA on plastic is that it doesn't have such surface and usually has the mould release on, making the point between the surface and glue is the weekest point of the two materials, making it fall off if scrathed with your nail. Try at least sanding, filing or scratching the surface, it should make the studs much more resilent.

Deadite
11-04-2006, 21:31
Hmm...like that effect as well. I usually just drilled holes and filled them with plastic rod to get my studs... but I think I like these a bit better.

Curious though... what if you let the pva set, then with some super-thin superglue, just dribble it over the greave to help the pva "studs" adhere? Most of the superglue will just run off into the base anyway. hmmm... may have to experiment...

Hortwerth
11-04-2006, 22:13
Until the stud peels off a little bit the nature of PVA means there's no space for superglue to penetrate between the plastic and PVA, so the effect will be similar to covering it with a thin layer of paint.

On second thought, the paint shall probably work better.

Anyways, it shouldn't be much of a problem on any surfaces but the ones really prone to damaging - shoulderpads and helmet seem to be most endangered.

ExquisiteEvil
11-04-2006, 22:29
Thanks for the advice!

Any comments on the painting?

Its my first time painting this amount of white on a model...

Red Skullz
11-04-2006, 23:52
Don`t know if it`s been said but man I got a "Stormtrooper" feeling seeing that last pic, and I mean that as a compliment.

Anyhoo, love the theme and great to see some vintage models again. Lots of goodies from the vintage range as well. The white is crisp and clean, and that`s an achievement cause it`s really hard to paint white imo.

Keep it up pal :D

tzeentchgiant
12-04-2006, 00:00
Like I said in the painting support group, some pretty awesome stuff there :).

Love the beaky style helmets, and the leg conversions look great too :).

TG

cpl_hicks
12-04-2006, 23:47
loving the work, this has given me some ideas

one quesion, im sue it was in this thread, but ive looked thorugh and i cannot find it, someone posted out of which different sets you can get all the armour variets ect, does anyone know this or where the list is

ExquisiteEvil
13-04-2006, 04:17
loving the work, this has given me some ideas

one quesion, im sue it was in this thread, but ive looked thorugh and i cannot find it, someone posted out of which different sets you can get all the armour variets ect, does anyone know this or where the list is

A little OT but...


Mark 1 Thunder Suit
http://29th.emperorschildren.net/Armor/mk1.jpg
Mark 1 armor, as it would later be known, was created during the Age of Strife. When the Emperor began his conquest of Earth, his troops were equipped with gear similar to that of the techno-barbarian warriors that dominated the planet at the time. The first Space Marines were already a part of his force. And while they were given the finest quality equipment, it was really no more advanced than that of other humans on the planet. Although this armor is considered Powered Armor, it is in reality only partly powered. The main portion of the armor is contained within the torso. Under the chest plate lie synthetic fiber bundles that transmit power to the wearers upper extremities. This had the effect of increasing his fighting abilities by 300 to 400 percent. The suits legs receive no power at all, instead consisting of simple padded breeches covered with armored grieves and boots. On the Marines back, he wears a backpack which is the suits power source. Its bulk is considerable because of the necessary cooling equipment needed to keep the power unit from overheating. As you can see, Mk.1 armor is not enclosed. Life support functions were not necessary in the early days of the Imperium when fighting was restricted to Earth, Luna and Mars since all have breathable atmospheres. The thunder-bolt and lightning decoration on the chest and legs of this suit was the personal emblem of the Emperor at the time, giving it its other name - "Thunder Armor".



Mark 2 Crusade Armor
http://29th.emperorschildren.net/Armor/mk2.jpg
As the conquest of the Terran system began to wind down, the Emperor directed that a new, more sophisticated type of armor be designed. With the new acquisition of Mars and her advanced technology, Martian factories began production of a second type of powered armor. And with the newly installed administrators of Mars, the Adeptus Mechanicus directing efforts, the entire Space Marine Corps were rapidly re-equipped Crusade Armor (as it would later be known,) is the first fully enclosed Powered Armor. And is capable of combat in hostile environments such as space. The armor consists of a number of concentric bands which now cover the entire body and yet allow for more freedom of movement for the wearer. More efficient coolers allow the design to cover most of the chest cables, while the addition of powered leg armor necessitates the exposed cabling on the suits upper leg area. The Marine wears a backpack which looks similar to the earlier design. However it is now much more efficient and allows for the inclusion of life-support and other related functions. In addition, the new helmet design includes automated sensory devices which register audio and visual stimuli in a way that mimics hearing and sight. By buffering the sensors through a microprocessor directly to the Marines mind via a neural connector, he is able to see and hear normally. Also, the helmet allows for vision into the ultra-violet and infra-red range, and hearing into extremely high and low frequencies.



Mark 3 Iron Armor
http://29th.emperorschildren.net/Armor/mk3.jpg
When the Emperor began to move his forces out toward the galactic core, not all of the planets contacted were happy with the idea of galactic re-conquest from Earth. Many of these included Squat Home worlds, where the fighting would be done in cramped tunnels or onboard spacecraft. Early fighting that consisted of a frontal assault, where cover was almost non-existent had shown a need which was filled with the Mk.3 armor. Mk.3 armor was designed with an assault role in mind, and was not intended as a replacement for Mk.2 armor. Designers simply increased the frontal armor protection of the Mk.2 and reduced the rear protection to compensate. The Helmet was also slightly reshaped, giving it a more wedge shaped front intended to deflect incoming shots



Mark 4 Imperial Maximus Suit
http://29th.emperorschildren.net/Armor/mk4.jpg
The Great Crusade lasted approximately two-hundred years. And after a time, the original armor suits manufactured on Mars began to wear out. It had been decided that a new design was needed to replace the old ones. The main design change would be from using separate armor plates to fabricating large inflexible armor casings with flexible joints. This change would allow for easier manufacture and repair with only a slight loss in flexibility. Knowledge gained from conquering innumerable worlds enabled the Tech-Priests of Mars to increase this suits protection while at the same time reduce its weight. And increased armor to the power cables allowed for the placement of the main chest and arm supplies outside the chest plate once again. New materials and recovered technology allowed for a decrease in the size and number of exposed cables. The Mk. 4 suit was designed as the ultimate type of Marine armor, and the Martian factories were dedicated to its production.

ExquisiteEvil
13-04-2006, 04:19
Mark 5 Heresy Armor
http://29th.emperorschildren.net/Armor/mk5.jpg
Space Marine Chapters were in the process of being re-equipped with the new Mk. 4 armor when the Horus Heresy began. With such a great disruption to Imperial shipping, the entire supply program was thrown into confusion. The new suits were being used equally by both sides, sometimes Loyalists in older armor would be fighting Traitor Marines who had just been given the new style armor. The Techmarines had barely gotten used to working with the new design. Many of them were not yet able to maintain it or fabricate replacements as was the original intent. Such a large scale conflict as the Heresy was not expected, and the high need for spares had not been anticipated. The new armor quickly became unusable, even with minor battle damage. This was partly caused by the fact that the new, exotic materials that were used to make the Mk. 4 were unavailable to Chapters. With this problem identified, production of Mk. 4 armor was halted and almost over-night a new suit was designed to replace it. The Mark 5 armor was designed with the battlefields of the Heresy in mind. It would use as many pre-Mk. 4 components as was possible, since all of the Loyalist Chapters still had large stock-piles of them and were familiar with their use. The chest plate is of the new style for example, but the chest, arm and leg cables are of the older design. Since the older cables were larger, they did not fit under the new chest plate and had to be placed on the exterior of the armor. These cables were to prove a major weakness in the design, which led to the addition of improvised armor plates added over them on the battlefield. One of the most noticeable features of Mk. 5 suits is its studded armor plates. This was an extra skin plate molecularly bonded to the armor as reinforcement. Due to the addition of so much weight, especially if an extra chest plate was added, the energy consumption was beyond that for which the power pack was rated. As a result, the wearer could turn up the packs power level and suffer intolerable heat, or leave the power level as it was and accept reduced performance. The helmet design is taken from the Terminator development program, which had been recently completed. It contains the same type of auto-senses as contemporary Terminator armor. Although the Mk. 5 was rushed into service, it proved to be remarkably durable and easy to fabricate and maintain. During the Heresy vast numbers of the suit were shipped out to Marine Chapters. Many of the shipments were captured by traitors for their use, as well as the scavenging of the armor from fallen enemies.



Mark 6 Corvus Armor
http://29th.emperorschildren.net/Armor/mk6.jpg
At the same time the Mk. 5 armor went into production, its replacement was already being designed. The Heresy suit was only intended as a stop-gap measure, and not for long term use. Although research had not been completed on the Mark 6 design, it was rushed into production as the treacherous Legions closed in on the Terran System. The development laboratories were still being disassembled when Marines began fighting in the new armor. Eventually the production factories were overrun and traitor Marines began to manufacture them as well. The Mark 6 suit, compared to it's predecessors, has a very clean appearance. This is mainly due to the once again housing the chest cabling under the armor plates. In addition, the visible chest and arm cables are duplicated inside the torso of the armor as a secondary back-up system. If the main system were damaged, this isolated set would automatically take over functionality. A distinguishing feature of the Mk. 6 suit is the studded left shoulder armor. This pad was the same as the right shoulder pad with an extra skin plate molecularly bonded to the armor as reinforcement. This was done for economical purposes, since the Marines left side would need to be better protected as he fired his weapon, the right side could be more easily replaced with slightly less effective plates. At the time, economizing in this way was necessary. After the Heresy the studded pad became associated with the Siege of Terra, and the extraordinary heroism displayed by Loyalist Marines. And so it became a traditional emblem of those days. The helmet is based on the Mk. 4 version, with suitable upgrades taken from both Terminator research and the Mk. 5 production run. Early lower leg designs consisted of a single shin/knee plate with basic joint articulation. After the Heresy, the Adeptus went back and refined the knee joint, separating the knee pad armor from the rest of the lower leg armor.



Mark 7 Eagle Armor
http://29th.emperorschildren.net/Armor/mk7.gif
As the final battle of Mars was underway, the Adeptus began duplicating the Martian production lines back on Earth. They realized Mars would fall to the Traitors. And so the armor development teams were transferred, with all their research, as well. From their new locale on Earth, they were able to continue the development program and incorporate their continued research into the Mark 7 armor. By the time Mars was captured Mark 7 armor was in production. Space Marines on Earth and Luna began receiving the new suits immediately. However, the Mark 6 armor was such an effective design, that both types have widespread use. Some Chapters have even chosen to continue with the older Mk 6 armor rather than adopt the Mk 7. Mark 7 Powered Armor represents a further refinement of the design started with the Mk 6. The greatest change in the armor is the new chest plastron, which was designed to encase most of the arm and chest cabling within the torso. This piece commonly bears a version of the Imperial Eagle, giving it its alternate name of Eagle Armor. The only exposed cables on the body of the armor now were those located in the abdominal area, which received heavy reinforcement. In addition, improved power usage via a redesigned back pack allowed for both shoulder pads to be replaced with larger (and uniform) pieces for increased protection. Improvements made in later Mk 6 knee joints were officially incorporated into the Mk 7 design. And the Mk 7 helmet design is based on the earlier Mk 5 helmet, however it can freely be exchanged with the Mk 6 helmet. Indeed, parts from Mk 6 and Mk 7 armor are readily interchangeable with each other.



Mark 8 Errant Armor
http://29th.emperorschildren.net/Armor/mk8.jpg
The newest Mark of powered armor seems from outward appearances to be not much more of a jump than the Mk 7 was. Mark 8 Powered Armor appears to represent further refinements of the design started with Mk's 6-7. The suit itself is a highly modified Mark 7. The addition of fixed armor plates to the torso now enclose all of the suits cables, which were most vulnerable to area effect weapons, and a new armored collar protected the helmets respirator. The addition of an armored collar also fixed the vulnerability of the neck joint. On rare occasions the chest and helmet of the older styles would act as a shell trap. Sometimes a round would hit the armor in such a way as to cause it to skim the surface of the armor upward, under the helmet and into the neck joint. The collar precipitated a change to the helmet, and unfortunately this caused a lack of backward compatibility with the earlier helmets. Mk 7 helmets could be used, however considerable modification would be required. Mark 8 armor has only seen limited production thus far, and is seen in limited numbers on the battlefields of the 41st millennium. Often, it is warn by officers or squad leaders as a symbol of rank.

cpl_hicks
13-04-2006, 12:54
um i know this

someone posted a list of the actual boxes you get the different armour varients in, i.e mk5 in space marine commander box ect, thats what i was looking for

ExquisiteEvil
13-04-2006, 16:43
um i know this

someone posted a list of the actual boxes you get the different armour varients in, i.e mk5 in space marine commander box ect, thats what i was looking for

Umm - no sorry, dont know that.

I just made my own from Tactical bitz and CSM bitz

Yodhrin
13-04-2006, 18:47
If I remember rightly:

BT Accessory Sprue: MK4 Torso + Helmet
Tactical Squad: Two complete MK6 per-box, two MK5 torsos.
Iron Warriors Warsmith is in MK3.

Other than that Im not sure.

Tom
13-04-2006, 23:12
Cassius is in MkIV.

Rabid Bunny 666
19-04-2006, 18:38
and the studded head in the CSM box is perfect for a Heresy suit

after reading Horus Rising, this thread has convinced me to do a large force of Sons of Horus instead of just a squad, thankyouplease dude.

ExquisiteEvil
20-04-2006, 07:25
Well - its 12.27 am here and Ive just got in from a full days work combined with a trip down the local...

What has this to do with the Blog I hear you cry? Well I had a note from the mail man telling me a package is awaiting me at the post office..

I am about 99% certain this is my 'Red Scorpions' Mk4 forgeworld stuff..so lookout for cool new updates soon!

EE

muggs
21-04-2006, 19:28
you get a mk viii torso in the old tac box (the sprue that had the flamer and missile launcher)

and a mk 6 on the space wolf sprue

squigsnok
21-04-2006, 20:21
after reading Horus Rising, this thread has convinced me to do a large force of Sons of Horus

Me too. Damn you Abnett and your laid-back yet descriptive writing style!

Aquilla
22-04-2006, 00:15
I like the way this is going.
Looking forward to seeing more armour varients.

Rabid Bunny 666
23-04-2006, 12:28
Me too. Damn you Abnett and your laid-back yet descriptive writing style!


indeed, and damn the superglue for running out on marine number 18!

Alpharius
15-06-2006, 03:26
Hey!

Where did this thread go?

I'd love to see the finshed (and painted) squad results!

ExquisiteEvil
15-06-2006, 03:42
Hey!

Where did this thread go?

I'd love to see the finshed (and painted) squad results!

Alas, it is a personal project and commissions and getting an entire army(IronHands) ready for Medusa have gotten in my way;)

The PH WorldEaters WILL be completed and I still do a bit now and again but I want to give them the attention they deserve:D

EE

Jim
19-06-2006, 19:44
Hi EE,

Looking forward to more pictures of your pre-heresy marines...What I've seen so far is excellent!!

I've done a whole crimson fists force of Mark 6 armour with a few of the older marks thrown in but I think you may have inspired me to do a combat patrol of totally pre-heresy marines...what do other people think of the pre-heresy landraider from FW??? It would fit into this kind of force but price is pretty high...

bobert the great clen one
21-10-2006, 03:17
ok i dont know whether im going to get told of for this or something but... I WANNA SEE THE REST OF THIS ARMY!!!!!!!!!!

AventineCrusader
21-10-2006, 04:38
ok i dont know whether im going to get told of for this or something but... I WANNA SEE THE REST OF THIS ARMY!!!!!!!!!!

Not told off as such, but the fact is I very much want to see the rest of this army too. Thus it is somewhat irritating to think I may be able to see more of this force, just to see it is someone threadromancing. Please, please refrain from doing this, as I would hate to see this thread closed.

Crusader

ExquisiteEvil
21-10-2006, 07:06
Wow - this is an oldie! Strange though as I do have an update, of sorts!

Ok, the army WILL happen - ive just taken a different route. Since the white scheme took so long I thought Id go whole hog and truescale the buggers. Ive also been working on a more detailed way to paint the white.

Now this is exremely WIP and held by blu-tac AND a terrible pic, but since someone raised this from the grave I feel obliged to post something!

So, here is the beginnings of a running preheresy truscale marine!(next to a 'regular' one for reference)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2526.jpg

And my 'test' for a more natural white(on non-other than my warseers marine!)- just the models right thigh done at the moment...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2533.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/LLV/PICT2531.jpg

I dont know how often Im going to update as Im working on some fantasy stuff at the moment whilst doing this in my 'spare' spare time:D

EE

synapse
21-10-2006, 10:14
nice work with the armour conversions, though might i suggest truescaling them by extending the greave armour rather than the waist - that looks much more realistic and seems to fit the picture GW has of marines with big legs

Edit: and i love the subtle colours on the right thigh of that marine, very good :)

Havoc
21-10-2006, 22:42
I like this project so far, I always like to see pre-heresy armys they always are great to keep track of, good job so far, and dare i say it will you be doing a Angron Mini?

Getifa Ubazza
21-10-2006, 23:42
I like this project so far, I always like to see pre-heresy armys they always are great to keep track of, good job so far, and dare i say it will you be doing a Angron Mini?

I second this. I also would love to see an Angron fig done and he would look so cool next to your preherasy world eaters.