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Claudio
07-02-2011, 16:16
1_Do they have librarians? 2_Why do they use the gene implants if after a few years they end up replacing most of their body with mechine parts? 3_Do they make strong use of battle servitors? ( like sending a hole bunch of them before an assault ) 4_Why not research for a way to make their bodys better instead of replacing them with machines. 5_If they have so much knowledge of mechanics, how come they donīt even have a way to build more terminator armours or a least build something similar?

Lord Damocles
07-02-2011, 17:09
1_Do they have librarians?
Yes. Ref: 'Index Astartes: Psykana Librarius' [Librarians] in White Dwarf 258, pg.59.

Nazguire
07-02-2011, 17:21
1_Do they have librarians? 2_Why do they use the gene implants if after a few years they end up replacing most of their body with mechine parts? 3_Do they make strong use of battle servitors? ( like sending a hole bunch of them before an assault ) 4_Why not research for a way to make their bodys better instead of replacing them with machines. 5_If they have so much knowledge of mechanics, how come they donīt even have a way to build more terminator armours or a least build something similar?


They believe that flesh is ultimately weak, and will ultimately fail, whilst the 'Machine' won't.
The reason that they become 'Space Marines' to begin with is that, well, being an Iron Hand is being a Space Marine. I can't really answer any more than that. Maybe they see it as the first step to true strength, and only those who can master the trials of the Chapter can eventually master getting their body gradually augmented with cybernetics.
I'd strongly say yes, they do use battle servitors, especially seeing as that they have a strong techmarine contingent (their Iron Fathers are both Chaplain and Techmarine, and are who lead the clans IIRC).
They don't research how to make their bodies better, because a) it's holy, the gene-seed and the rest of the implants. The Emperor and Ferrus Mannus gave them that and to modify it is heresy b) the machine is what is seen as strong, not flesh. "The flesh is weak! Purge the weak!"
And Terminator armour is extremely hard to produce. So they reserve making Terminator armour for company sergeants and senior officers, where the armour can actively be seen to be doing good, not just on select missions.

Chem-Dog
07-02-2011, 19:54
1_Do they have librarians? 2_Why do they use the gene implants if after a few years they end up replacing most of their body with mechine parts? 3_Do they make strong use of battle servitors? ( like sending a hole bunch of them before an assault ) 4_Why not research for a way to make their bodys better instead of replacing them with machines. 5_If they have so much knowledge of mechanics, how come they donīt even have a way to build more terminator armours or a least build something similar?
1: yes
2: A great deal of the Flesh that makes up the body of the Astartes isn't geneseed, I don't think they've ever said the Flesh of the Primarch is weak.
3: It's not specifically stated either way. A Servitor is a tool, far less than an Astartes Warrior, I can't see the Iron Warriors inclined to trust a mission, even partially, to such inferior warriors. But then the Iron Warriors innovated a particularly nasty way of using Teleporters as weapons, so it's not unthinkable that they'll use Servitors as a disposable weapon.
4: It's an inherrent weakness as far as they see it. It's also a form of self flagellation, a devotion in and of itself.
5: Imperium's understanding of the Technology required to build Terminator Armour (an much much more besides) is dwindling, that's the whole schtick, Iron warriors might be at the better end of the scale BUT being so closely tied with the Adeptus Mechanicus means they're unlikely to be great innovators in the field.

shadowhawk2008
08-02-2011, 05:20
their Iron Fathers are both Chaplain and Techmarine, and are who lead the clans IIRC

Don't their Captains act as clan leaders with some exceptions being that the Iron Fathers have that position? And don't they even have a Dreadnought clan leader, just like the Blood Swords who had a Dreadnought chapter master.

@Chemdog you mean Iron Hands and not Iron Warriors right?