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Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 11:54
Some people might remember that on the old Portent forum I was collecting a long list of Empire knightly orders mentioned in the official background. Well, I managed to recover some of those texts, so time to re-start the thread.

Notice: I am not going to document on this thread any orders mentioned in unofficial context, if someone is really interested in them he can start a new thread himself.

For the boring starters, I will give here a list of sources used on gathering this information:

1.) Enemy within: Shadows over Bogenhafen
2.) Enemy within: City of Chaos
3.) Warhammer armies (WFB 3rd edition army book)
4.) White Dwarf, issues 146 and 147 (Empire fluff and army list)
5.) WHFB Empire army book, 4th edition
6.) WHFB Empire army book, 6th edition
7.) Zavant (Black Library publication by Gordon Rennie)
8.) Apocrypha 2 (Hogshead Publishing)
9.) Doomstones 3: Heart of Chaos (Hogshead Publishing)
10.) Enemy Within: Power Behind the Throne (Hogshead Publishing version only)
11.) Hammers of Ulric (Black Library publication by Dan Abnett)
12.) Crusade Empire army list, Citadel journal, issue 43
13.) WHFB Vampire Counts army book, 5th edition
14.) Corrupting Influences - the Best of Warpstone, Hogshead Publishing
15.) Citadel Journal, issue Autumn 1985 (pages 15-16)
16.) Religion in the Old World, WD 279
17.) Warcry Collectible Card Game, Sabertooth games
18.) Dolgan Invasion article, WD269
19.) Empire Collectors Guide
20.) Vengeance of the Vampire, WD243
21.) Kislev army list, Warhammer Chronicles 2004 (and WD 288)
22.) Article on Solland Runefang, WD289
23.) Cult of Ulric army list, Warhammer Chronicles 2004 (also published in WD)
24.) The Sigmarites article, WD 304
25.) Empire knightly orders article, WD 310
26.) Sigmar's Heirs
27.) Terror in Talabheim
28.) Witchhunter's Handbook
29.) Liber Chaotica: Tzeench
30.) White Dwarf 91
31.) Warhammer Online, Nordland overview (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/zoneOverviews/Nordland/NordlandOverview.php)
32.) Demigryph knights, White Dwarf 389, pages 54-57
33.) WHFB Empire army book, 7th edition
34.) WHFB Empire army book, 8th edition
35.) The End Times: Glottkin
36.) The Claws of Chaos (Black Library novel by Gav Thorpe)
37.) Empire at War (Black Library)
38.) Warhammer rulebook, 8th edition
39.) Olde Weirdes Incunabulum, WD291, pages 82-87
40.) The End Times: Nagash


The Citadel Journal articles are also available on web as follows:
-Knights of the Cleansing Flame: http://www.solegends.com/citrr/rr17cleansingflame.htm
-Crusade Empire army list: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dreadaxe/Empire%20Crusades.pdf

Feel free to comment and inform about missing orders or sources.

Following threads will list knightly orders in alphabetical order - I will split them into multiple posts, so it is easier to add more text later on.

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 11:56
The format used for describing order is name, followed by: summary/description, allegiance (the authority that the order is loyal to), history, appearance, famous members (if any) and sources (1-32, listed on first post).

*BLACK GUARD (aka Raven Knights or Black Knights or Order of Raven or Knights of Morr)
-Description: Deathly silent, they are the dark guardians of the Empire. When parents wish to get their children to sleep at night they tell them that the knights of Morr will come for them unless they rest. Held in mixture of fear and respect by the imperial military and the other knightly orders no one can doubt their their martial prowess as they despatch enemies with silent efficiency. There are many dark whispers about the secret rites involved in becoming a knight of Morr.
-Allegiance: Morr, the god of death. Morr is the god of death and the ruler of underworld. All dead souls belong to him, and he makes sure that they are guided safely to his dark realm.
-Appearance: encased in obsidian black armour when on battlefield.
-Sources: 6, 8, 12, 14, 16, 25, 26, 28

*COLDFIRE KNIGHTS
-Summary: Secretive order sworn to oppose both Chaos and internal trouble within Empire.
-Allegiance: Emperor
-Sources: 9

*DRAKENHOF TEMPLARS
- Summary: Founded long before the arrival of Von Carsteins, this order had the noble goal of driving the darkness out of Sylvania.
- Appearance: see source 39 for a drawing
- Sources: 39, 40

*GRYPHON LEGION
- Description and history: a mercenary cavalry regiment of Kislevite origins which has served the Imperial family for several generations. Born to the highest ranking noble families in Kislev, these knights travel far and wide and operate as mercenaries when not called to battle by the Tzarina herself. The Gryphon Legion spends most of its time fighting in Empire, but it is sworn to respond to the call if the tzar or tzarina commands.
- Allegiance: Emperor
- Appearance: they wear wings made from griffon feathers upon their backs.
- Famous members: Vladic Dostov, commander of the legion whose single-handed slaying of a griffon in IC 1817 earned the legion its current name.
- Sources: 1, 3, 18, 21

*HIGH HELMS (Order of the High Helm)
- Description: an elite cavalry unit of very tough and extremely tall (minimum height 6 feet 6 inches) knights. Members are selected according to their physique. They are not very highly thought of by the members of Reiksguard, as it is commonly believed that they possess only 1 brain amongst four.
- Allegiance: Emperor
- History (as per IC 2512): a newly constituted order, founded by the Emperor Karl Franz. They are currently being drilled in Altdorf.
- Appearance: tall, straight plumes on helmets.
- Sources: 1

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 11:57
*KNIGHTS GRIFFON
-Description: the Knights Griffon are arguably the most drilled and militaristic order in the modern Empire. Their daily rituals mostly consists of strict martial training. A veteran Knight Griffon is the epitome of discipline and soldiery on the field of battle. The Knights Griffon are so well trained they manoeuvre as a unit with seamless efficiency.
-Allegiance: Emperor, though they are also sworn to guard and protect temples of Sigmar throughout the whole Empire.
-History: founded by Magnus the Pious in Nuln year 2305. With the moving of the imperial capital to Altdorf, the order moved there, though the members of the order are still recruited only from Nuln aristocracy.
-Appearance: the members of the order wear dark green and gold, while their mounts wear dark crimson barding.
-Sources: 6, 12, 19, 25, 32

*KNIGHTS JAGUAR
-Summary: sister order of Knights Panther
-Allegiance: unknown
-Sources: 12

*KNIGHTS OF BLACK ROSE
-Summary: local order.
-Allegiance: shifting loyalties.
-History: originally founded as a bodyguard for the elector count of Stirland during the Age of Three Emperors, the order has since then changed allegiance a number of times.
-Sources: 6, 25

*KNIGHTS OF BLAZING SUN
- Description: The Knights of the Blazing Suns are the third largest and influential of the Knightly Orders in the Empire. The knights belonging to this order are all followers of Myrmidia, a goddess of warfare especially popular in the southern parts of the Old World.
- Allegiance: Myrmidia, the goddess of warfare. Myrmidia is the patron goddess of soldiers and strategists.
- History: During the wars against Araby some of the Empire's knights helped to recapture the Temple of Myrmidia in Magritta in 1457 IC, the southern sea port of Estalia. This was part of the crusades which eventually freed the land of Estalia from the Arabian invaders. The battle was a great victory for the Knights of the Old World, made all the remarkable by a strange and prophetic occurrence. During the fierce street fighting around the temple of Myrmidia, a group of knights found themselves surrounded by the dreaded Black Scimitar Guard led by Emir Wasr the Cruel. Just as the Arabians closed in a sudden earth tremor shook the temple, dislodging a huge bronze statue of Myrmidia riding a pegasus which was fixed on its topmost steeple. The statue plummeted to the grounf below, smashing into a thousand fragments and crushing the Emir and his troops. This event was to prove the turning point of the battle. Afterwards, upon returning to Empire, the surviving knights of that battle established the Order of the Blazing Sun with Myrmidia as its patron and protector and built a shrine to Myrmidia in Talabheim.
- Appearance: These knights wear armour of burnished brass, and their shields bear the device of the blazing sun. Their standard depics a soaring Pegasus against the blazing sun emblem.
- Sources: 4, 5, 12, 14, 16, 20, 25, 26, 34

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 11:58
*KNIGHTS OF BROKEN SWORD
-Summary: local order.
-Allegiance: unknown
-Appearance: see source 34 for a painted example
-Sources: 6, 34

*KNIGHTS OF CLEANSING FLAME
-Summary: templars of Solkan the Avenger, a god of Law. Solkan is the master of vengeance, an angry god who inflicts the retribution of the Gods of Law on those who offend them.
-Allegiance: Solkan
-Sources: 14, 15

*KNIGHTS OF EVERLASTING LIGHT
-Summary: an order of templars cursed with bad luck.
-Allegiance: ideals of justice and fairness.
-Famous members: captain-marshal Drehenborg (killed by Deathmaster Snitch), grand master Kessler (withheld his aid from elector count Hertwig of Ostermark in 2485).
-Notice: sources available do not mention to which deity this order is dedicated to; it could be Verena, Alluminas, Shallya or some minor local god.
-Sources: 6, 25, 34

*KNIGHTS OF FIERY HEART
- Description: one of a number of martial orders in the service of the temple of Sigmar. They are an elite cavalry unit of Sigmar templars, dedicated to the destruction of all goblinoids. Together with the Order of the Fist (a secret sister order) they make up the Order of the Holy Knights of Sigmar.
- Allegiance: Sigmar, patron god of Empire. He is the deified, legendary founder of the Empire. As befits the character of this mighty warrior, he is worshipped both for his military might, and as the great unifier.
- History: they have a long and glorious history, dating from the civil wars when the cult of Sigmar was outlawed in Talabecland.
- Appearance: white shield, surcoat and barding,
with red heart as insignia on shield.
- Famous members: Aldred "Fellblade" Keppler, one time companion of Felix and Gotrek.
- Sources: 1, 3, 10, 14

* KNIGHTS OF HAMMER
-Summary: an order of very pious Sigmarite templars.
-Allegiance: Sigmar
-History: founded after the Great war against Chaos, their chapter house and charter was granted to the order by Magnus the Pious over 200 years ago. The order suffered horrendous casualties in fighting during the Storm of Chaos.
-Appearance: members of the order shave their heads, clad in shining armour and wield warhammers in battle.
-Sources: 24

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 11:59
* KNIGHTS OF NORTH STAR
- Description: protectors of Nordland and champions of the Emperor.
- Sources: 17

* KNIGHTS OF SIGMAR'S BLOOD
- Description: order of Sigmarite templars. This order has no inner circle, with all the knights treating each others as brothers. Their internal organisation is based on brotherhoods, with named ones including Brotherhoods of Steel, Vengeance, Fortitude, Deliverance, Comet, Duty and Heavenly Fire.
- Allegiance: Sigmar
- History: the knights of this order returned rich from the Arabyan crusades and used their fortune to found the Heldenhame keep.
- Appearance: see source 34 for a painted example
- Famous members: Hans Leitdorf, grand master of the order. Rudolph Weskar, senechal of Heldenhame Castle.
- Sources: 17, 25, 34, 40

*KNIGHTS OF SILVER MOUNTAIN
-Summary: no information (except present at least in Hochland)
-Allegiance: unknown
-Sources: 6

* KNIGHTS OF TAAL'S FURY
- Description: This order consists of devoted followers of Taal, who are dedicated to opposing all creatures of Chaos. They are considered to be one of the most superstitious knightly orders in Empire. They especially value demi-gryphs as mounts.
- Allegiance: Taal
- Appearance: their shields depict a vengeful griffon (an aspect of Taal), and they also wear various feathers, fetishes and totemic charms due to their superstitious habits.
- Sources: 32

* KNIGHTS OF THE ARROW
- Description: Knightly order that provides military support for the amber college of magic. They do not have any chapter houses in cities, instead being based in fortified lodges in the heart of Reikwald forest.
- Allegiance: not specified, but they have very close ties with the amber college.
- Appearance: Their pennants, shields and armour are decorated by the amber order rune.
- Sources: 32

* KNIGHTS OF THE DIVINE SWORD
- Description: These brave warriors were led into battle of Hel Fenn by the Grand Theogonist, Kurt I.
- Sources: 37

* KNIGHTS OF THE RED SHIELDS
- Description: Personal bodyguard of elector count of Talabecland. Missing since Storm of Chaos.
- Allegiance: Elector count of Talabecland.
- Sources: 27

* KNIGHTS OF THE SETTING SUN
- Description: no information available. Present in the Battle of Altdorf (End Times).
- Sources: 35

* KNIGHTS OF THE SHINING TALON
- Description: famous for their razorbeak-mounted knights.
- Sources: 34

* KNIGHTS OF THE STAG
- Description: Relatively new order from Talabheim. Proud and regal they consider themselves above the other knightly orders based in the city, and think of themselves as "the true sons of Talabheim".
- Allegiance: unknown.
- Sources: 27

* KNIGHTS OF THE VENGEFUL SUN
- Description: Relatively small order, whose members currently all ride demi-gryphs.
- Allegiance: not specified
- History: Founded in Altdorf during the Vampire Wars, they have since then moved their chapter house to Bögenhafen. Famous for their participation in the Battle for Ghoul Pass against greenskins.
- Appearance: Their shields bear the symbol of the sun, while their helmets are gilded.
- Sources: 32, 34

*KNIGHTS OF TWIN TAILED ORB
-Summary: these knights are a religious sect located high in the Middle Mountains. They believe Sigmar has joined with the comet and now looks down upon the Empire searching for fearless warriors to join him in his celestial abode. The Knights of the Twin-Tailed Orb are fanatical templars who charge into battle with the religious intensity of a warrior priest.
-Allegiance: Sigmar.
-Appearance: their shields proudly display the emblem of the twin-tailed comet - the sigil of Sigmar, and the colours blue, orange and yellow predominate on their armour.
-Sources: 12, 16, 25

*KNIGHTS OF WHITE WOLF
-Description: One of the largest and most powerful knightly orders, formed by the Templars of Ulric, they are especially strong around Middenheim, where they comprise the elite unit of Middenheim's standing army. In Middenheim, the knights are responsible to the high priest of cult of Ulric. They are all sworn servants of Ulric and their duties in peace time include the provision of the Temple Guard, escorting the high priest on his rare visits to temples outside the City, and the mounting of honour guards for ceremonial occasions. The Templars have a reputation for ruthlessness and are generally feared and avoided. Occasionally the Templars join forces with Knights Panther and mount expeditions into the Drak Wald forest. There they root out the beastmen and mutant encampments, slaughtering whatever they encounter.
The members of this order are amongst the fiercest andmost aggressive of the Empire's warriors. Unfortunately their tendency to attack in a frenzy, irrespective of tactical or strategic considerations, does have its drawbacks. They fight bareheaded and are exceptionally wild and fearsome.
- Allegiance: Ulric.
- History: The White Wolves were founded in the city of Middenheim during one of the many Chaos incursions which threatened to sweep the whole Empire away. The city lay directly in the path of the advancing Chaos Hordes, and only the bravery and determination of the Knights saved the city from destruction. Riding out on their fiery war horses, bareheaded and brandishing huge clubs, the warriors met and defeated the chaos army, saving Middenheim for the Empire, and earning themselves a place in the heroic legends of the Old World. After this victorious battle against Chaos, the survivors decided to found a chivalric order sworn to fight Chaos, and they chose the name of the White Wolves after the city of Middenheim, also known as the City of the White Wolf. To this day the White Wolves still celebrate the legendary battle of Middenheim in a great annual Feast of the White Wolf held on the battlesite itself.
- Appearance: Following the example and keeping alive the old fierce ways of their warrior forebears they maintain the tradition of riding to battle bareheaded, their long hair and beard blowing behind them as they charge and making them look even more fearsome.
They wear mantles of wolf skin over their red-coloured armour, and spurn shields, helms and lances in favour of a distinctive and fearsome heavy two handed mawl, hammer or club.They are very proficient with this heavy weapon, striking easily to left and right and swinging it around their maned heads from horseback, knocking enemy horsemen from their saddles and pounding and cracking the skulls of enemy foot troops. This heavy weapon can batter or smash apart the thickest armour, while a good blow on a helmet will knock a man senseless even if the metal doesn't crack apart.
Their banner depicts the white wolf of Ulric. This banner was carried at the battle of Middenheim itself, and afterwards dipped in the blood of a mighty daemon prince of Chaos destroyed by the Knights. This has endowed the banner banner with magical properties, radiating a sense of terror that affects the Knights' enemies.
-Teutogen guard: these are the personal bodyguard of Ar-Ulric in his role as an Elector of the Empire, accompanying him both at state occasions and on the battlefield. They are selected annually from the ranks of the Knights of White Wolf based on merit. Being selected for a tour of duty in the Teutogen Guard is one of the highest accolades a Knight of the White Wolf can receive.
-Famous members: Jerek Kruger, grand master of the White Wolves who slew Vlad von Carstein in battle of Schwarthafen (IC 2025). Grand master Giger who lead the order against norse marauders under Thialfi Swiftaxe in IC 2198.
-Sources: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 11, 14, 16, 23, 34

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 12:00
*KNIGHTS PANTHER
- Description: Knights Panther is one of the two largest and most important of the Knightly Orders in Empire. Together with White Wolves they are larger than all the other orders combined. They are avowed enemies of Chaos and are dedicated to the eradication of mutants and the preservation of racial purity within Empire. To a man, they are reknown for their obsession with racial purity, and their fanaticism in hunting down mutants. Their code of honour requires them to never suffer a mutant or other bearer of the mark of chaos to live.
- Allegiance: to their Grand Master and local Elector counts. In Talabheim they form the elite corps of the standing army. In Middenheim Graf has directly under his personal command a unit of Knights Panther, who are sworn to defend and obey the Graf until he depart the throne or death take them.
- History: The Knights Panther claim to be the oldest and trace their existence backto the wars against Araby nearly a thousand years ago. During those wars Knights from all over the Old world invaded the lands of Araby, first driving them from the south of Estalia, and subsequently carrying the battle into Araby itself. The returning knights brought back many great treasures plundered from the palaces of the Sultans of Araby, including gold and silver, precious gems, silks, furs, and exotic animals the like of which had never been seem in the Old World. Amongst these many creatures were panthers, tigers and leopards liberated from the extensive pleasure gardens of Istrabul, as well as furs which they proudly displayed as cloaks and saddlecloths, or decoration for their helms. When the knights paraded through the streets of the cities of the Empire many did so accompanied by one of these marvellous creatures padding beside him, led by golden chain. This created such an abiding impression that the Knightly Order founded by these returning crusaders became known as the Knights Panther. Some of the panthers carried off by the victorious Old Worlders were eventually to become fur saddle cloths or trimming for fur cloaks, and this helped to reinforce the association. Today the original panthers and even their hides have long gone, but the memory of the Arabian wars is maintained by the Knights Panther.
Their battle standard was made by the College of Light, one of the first Colleges of Magic to be established in Altdorf. It protects the Knights Panther from magic by warding away evil sorcery. The banner was created as part payment for property owned by the Knights Panther which the Wizards wished to adopt as their College. Even today, after much rebuilding, the central tower still stands as it did then, and continues to be known as the Panther Tower.
- Appearance: Although the original furs have long since mouldered away to nothing, the Knights still trim their clothes and crests with whatever exotic spotted or striped fur they can obtain. Their shields carry the emblem of their order, the fabled spotted panther of Araby.
- Famous members: Seneschal Heinrich Kessler, slayer of Azhag the Slaughterer. Baron Heirinch Von Torlichhelm, Master of the Order.
-Sources: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 11, 12, 25, 26, 34

* ORDER OF BLACK BEAR
-Summary: a secular order from Averland.
-Allegiance: unspecified
-Sources: 25

* ORDER OF THE BLACK ROSE
-Description: Ottila's cavalry bodyguard.
-Sources: 37

*ORDER OF BLOOD DRAGON
-Summary: a former Empire knight order turned into Vampires by Walach Harkon. Had headquarters in Blood Keep, south of Nuln.
-Allegiance: no one
-Famous members: Walach Harkon, their last Grand Master.
-Sources: 13

* ORDER OF CRYSTAL LANCE
-Description: Possibly from Talabecland, the whole order took part in the battle against sorceror lord Vethric.
-Famous members: Odo Copperfinger, grand master of the order.
-Sources: 38

* ORDER OF EBON SWORD
- Description: knightly order destroyed by dragon Malathrax in Reikland circa 2508 IC.
- Sources: 34

* ORDER OF FIST
- Description: a secret sister order of the Knights of the Fiery Heart.
- Allegiance: cult of Sigmar.
- Sources: 14

* ORDER OF GATE
- Description: order of templars dedicated to fight against undead.
- Allegiance: cult of Morr.
- Sources: 14

* ORDER OF GLINTING STEEL
- Description: no information available
- Sources: 34

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 12:01
*ORDER OF GOLDEN LION (aka Knights of the Gold Lion)
- Description: the order is named after a giant golden lion slain by one of their members, Erich van Strommer.
- Allegiance: secular order dedicated to serving the Empire.
- History: founded during the crusades in Araby.
- Appearance: their banners and shields are decorated with designs of roaring lions, while their helmets and the neck bardings of their steeds are gilded to resemble the mane of a lion.
- Sources: 6, 16, 19, 25, 32

* ORDER OF GRIFFON
- Summary: an elite military force answerable only to the Emperor himself, with an authority that supersedes that of the Elector Counts and their provincial generals.
- Allegiance: Emperor.
- History: Recently established by emperor Karl Fraz. Emissaries from the Order of the Griffon have been sent into Nordland to train and organise military forces there.
- Sources: 31

* ORDER OF JADE GRIFFON
- Summary: templar order.
- Allegiance: presumably Sigmar.
- Infamous members: Aekold Helbrass, former member of the order who turned into a follower of Tzeench
- Sources: 29

*ORDER OF RED GRIFFON
-Summary: Small order of Sigmarite templars.
-Heraldry: a red griffon rampant for coat of arms.
-Allegiance: Sigmar
-Sources: 7

* ORDER OF SHIELD
- Description: a small order of Myrmidian templars, little present in Empire.
- Allegiance: Myrmidia.
- Sources: 14

* ORDER OF SHINING SWORD
- Description: founded by an outcast knight
- Allegiance: ?
- Sources: 22

* OSTERKNACHT
- Description: Knightly order from Ostermark.
- Allegiance: Elector count of Ostermark
- Sources: 36

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 12:02
*REIKSGUARD (aka Reiksgard or Imperial Guard)
- Description: Reiksguard forms the personal army and bodyguard of the Emperor himself and the core and backbone of the Empire army – they are the closest thing Empire has to a state army. They form an elite core of highly trained, expensively-equipped troops who are loyal to the Emperor in person, and are his best troops.. Although they are few in numbers, Reiksguard is the most important part of the army, and in battle usually forms up in the centre around the Emperor himself. Many a battle has been won thanks to a decisive charge by the Reiksguard Knights
They accompany the Emperor on all occasions in war and peace, forming his personal bodyguard on campaign and battlefield and in the course of his diplomatic tours throughout Empire ceremonial duties, and they have sworn to give their lives to protect the Emperor. In times of war, they take the field along with the Emperor, forming an elite unit at the core of the Imperial armies. They are also responsible for the security of all palaces and castles belonging to the Imperial family. Reiksguard is divided into a mounted arm known as the Reiksguard Knights, and to foot units referred to as Reiksguard regiments.
Reiksguard are recruited from all over the Empire from amongst the sons of knights and nobility. The ranks of Reiksguard are open to all young men of noble birth regardless of where they live within the Empire. Thus the Reiksguard includes men from all the provinces from as far a field as Ostland and Nordland, Wissenland and Ostermark. The heirs of many of the most wealthy and powerful families can be found amongst its ranks, including sons of elector counts. It is a considerable honour for a family for its oldest son to serve in the Reiksguard. Many of the members of Reiksguard hope to inherit their father’s title and property one day. Some younger sons will never inherit, and while most leave the army to pursue other interests, some remain in the Reiksguard to become its senior officers, commanders and generals.
The leader of the Reiksguard is titled the Captain of the Reiksguard. He is a powerful figure in the Empire, ranked as one of the personal bodyguards of the Emperor on state occasions, and chief of the Emperor’s war masters. Individual squadrons of Reiksguard Knights are commanded by noblemen, and are generally recruited from their home provinces. A commission in Reiksguard is regarded as a fine and fitting occupation for the younger sons of the Empire’s noble houses, and many of them take this as an opportunity to outshine their elder brothers, who command the armies and militias of their home provinces. There is a great rivalry between the cavalry squadrons of various nobles.
The Reiksguard are much loved throughout the Empire. When a dashing young Reiksguard returns to his home town on leave he is greeted by cheering citizens, and riotous celebrations carry on long into the night. When they accompany the Emperor on his many ceremonial processions they add to the splendour and magnificence of the occasion by dint of their awesome appearance and fabulously expensive armour. During the annual Imperial tournament the Reiksguard compete against each other for the honour of being closest to the Emperor. These events are a major highlight of the year attracting citizens from all over the Empire and beyond. Normally Reiksguard is barracked in the comparative comfort of Altdorf.
- Allegiance: Emperor.
- History: the Reiksguard was founded during the reign of Wilhelm, the first Emperor of the lineage of the Princes of Altdorf (ascended the throne around 2430 IC).
- Appearance: the Reiksguard wear magnificent gilded armour, highly polished to a mirror-like finish, garlanded with scarlet sashes and emblazoned with the device of the Reiksguard. Their helms are adorned with tall feathered red and white crests of the ruling Emperor Karl Franz, or extravagant crests elaborated of the family crest of the squadron’s commander, varying widely from squadron to squadron. All ranks carry shields emblazoned with a skull and the initials of the current Emperor (KF for Karl Franz). The knights carry tall lances with pennants decorated with crowns, and ride fierce and prancing stallions. It is common and popular to sport mottos painted on armour (either the knight’s armour or shield, or the steed’s barding). Examples of such mottos include Malleus (hammer), Sigmar, Desporandum, Victorium and Mortis, amongst many others.
Reiksguard flag bears the national emblem on one side and the Emperor’s emblem (currently initials KF for Karl Franz) and the Sigmar legend on the other. Sometimes the Reiksguard Knights may carry the personal standard of the Emperor as their banner. This is a great honour, and if the Emperor’s banner should retreat or be lost this would be a terrible disgrace. This sobering effect fills the knights with courage and makes them even less likely to back away from the enemy.
- Infantry arm: the Reiksguard foot regiments form the second arm of the Reiksguard. Although they do not have the glamorous image of their cavalry counterparts, they are nonetheless a crack fighting force. They are based near the Emperor’s palace and can be seen parading through the streets, escorting the Emperor on state occasions, and patrolling the city walls. They are protected by shields and ornate but heavy steel full armour resplendent with plumes and ribbons and kept polished to a mirror-like finish. They are armed with heavy swords, halberds or great two-handed swords.
-Famous members: a.) Knut Helborg, current Captain (Reiksguard equivalent to Grand Master) of the Reiksguard and Reiksmarshal of Empire. He is one of the Emperor Karl Franz’s most trusted military commanders, and is reputed to be the finest swordsman in the Empire. He is also the Reiksmarshall of the Empire, commander of all the Empire’s forces, second only to the Emperor himself. As such he has often led an army into battle, and is one of the most experienced generals in the Old World. b.) Margrave Hermann von Pfeifraucher, Knight Commander of the Imperial Guard.
-Sources: 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 12, 25, 30, 34

*SONS OF MANANN
-Description: The Sons of Manann worship the Empire god of the Sea. They are widespread order with many temples, particularly in coastal towns in the North, where worship of the sea god is needed to calm the infamously rough Sea of claws. When the knights go to war they are often accompanied by a priest of Manann who will bless the knights weapons shortly before they charge into battle.
-Allegiance: Manann, god of the seas. He is the deity of seas and oceans. He controls the tides and the currents, and is as unpredictable and chageable as the sea itself.
-Appearance: when the knights go to war they wear turquoise and white armour.
-Sources: 12, 25

* TEMPLARS OF VERENA
- Description: order dedicated to the upholding of justice in the name of their patron goddess. The military arm of the order is called Guardians.
- Allegiance: Verena, goddess of learning and justice.
- Sources: 14

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 12:03
*MINOR KNIGHTLY ORDERS
- Description: There are many other orders, some of which boast only a handful of knights. As the number of knights belonging to obscure orders is quite small they sometimes join up with other orders on battlefield, fighting together in a colourfully varied group of Knights.
- Allegiance: varies.
- Appearance: varies. Not all wear a distinctive badge, some preferring to retain a slightly anonymous appearance, while others take considerable pride in their exravagant armour and improbable plumes.
- Sources: 4

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 12:05
Templar Orders (generic information)

There are several military orders of templars attached to several of the principal religious cults of the Empire. Some fighting men ally themselves directly with one of the religious groups of the Old World by joining such a military order within their particular religion. As such, they become known as Knights of the Temple or Knights Templar. Templars are formidable fighters, trained and equipped to the highest standards, whose fervour makes them universally feared. A templar may enter the service of a deity for a fixed period, or, more rarely, for life. Sometimes a Knight will become a templar for a time as a penance for oath-breaking or for violating some other taboo.

All military orders demand absolute obedience and a high standard of martial prowess; the Knights come under the command of the temple authorities, and live within the temple pretincts. As well as fighting in the Imperial armies, their duties include acting as guards for the temple and for important religious dignitaries. Also they provide whatever military force might be required by the heads of the religion for the destruction of heresies, the prosecution of holy wars (where templars are always to the forefront), and the protection of the faithful from persecution or infidel attacks.

The following knightly orders are templar orders:
-Black Guard (Morr)
-Knights of Blazing Sun (Myrmidia)
-Knights of Cleansing Flame (Solkan)
-Knights of Everlasting Light (Alluminas)
-Knights of White Wolf (Ulric)
-Knights of Fiery Heart (Sigmar)
-Knights of Twin Tailed Orb (Sigmar)
-Order of Red Griffon (Sigmar)
-Sons of Manann (Manann)

Please notice that not all templar orders mentioned in the background are considered as knightly orders for the purposes of this thread.

Griefbringer
30-05-2005, 12:40
Feel free to inform me of any knightly orders missing from the list above (please state a source), as well as of furhter sources for the already mentioned orders.

Also, the above is missing two texts that I have written about the subject - one of them is a longer description of Reiksguard, another deals with templar orders in general. I hope I will be able to find those somewhere.

Griefbringer
31-05-2005, 15:25
I found the missing articles - now this thread is up to the same standards as the one on old forum.

I am planning in future to check some of my books to see if there are details missing in the previous descriptions that I have missed.

Twisted Ferret
31-05-2005, 19:13
Well done! :D *saves thread*

Griefbringer
03-06-2005, 11:07
I added descriptions of Knights Griffon, Sons of Manann, Knights of the Twin-Tailed Orb and Black Knights from Citadel Journal, as there was rather little info on these orders.

Rathgar
03-06-2005, 11:11
Awesome work! I wonder if we could get a sticky thread with links to threads like this up again? Like the "venerable threads" one we used to have. But I guess its still early days for that. Anyways this should defiantly be in it.

Nice one, Griefbringer.

Griefbringer
03-06-2005, 12:22
Getting venerable threads back would not be a back idea - perhaps somebody should contact mods on that issue?

Gres
03-06-2005, 12:31
Apoligies if this has come up before but I couldn't find it in the list:

Order of the Hammer, Sigmarite Templar Order featured in a boxout in the Cult of Sigmar article in UK WD304. Some details may be wrong as I don't have the mag with me.

Griefbringer
03-06-2005, 12:57
Thanks for the hint Gres, I was not aware of that. Anyone able to give a more detailed description, as I do not have that issue of WD?

Otherwise, I just added a few details on Knights Panther, White Wolves and Gryphon Legion from the Chronicles 2004.

thanquol
03-06-2005, 13:55
WOW, that's quite a list you got there, Griefbringer! Where did you get all this info from? I'm really amazed by how long the list is

Griefbringer
03-06-2005, 14:11
Where did you get all this info from?

Check the list of 23 sources listed on the first page. I do own a good part of them, but not all.

Notice that each entry for an order also specifies the sources applying to that order, for those who want to check the info or get additional details.

Rathgar
06-06-2005, 12:51
Ok got with me WD304 and the info on The Knights of the Hammer that you were looking for;

Founded just over 200 years ago
Their chapter house was granted to the by Magnus the Pious.
They wield Warhammers (big surprise there.)
Very pious nights.
Mentions that the nights shave their heads so maybe they go into battle without helms?
Also says they took heavy casualties in SoC of the 100 men they sent 80 died. May take years to recover.

Griefbringer
07-06-2005, 09:02
Thanks for the info, I now added an entry for Order of Hammer.

Gres
07-06-2005, 12:13
Note: The information posted by Rathgar is correct, its not Order of the Hammer but Knights of the Hammer.

I had gone to the trouble of bringing the WD into work yesterday only to have my thunder stolen...

Rathgar
07-06-2005, 12:16
I had gone to the trouble of bringing the WD into work yesterday only to have my thunder stolen...

Sorry Gres! :(

Griefbringer
07-06-2005, 12:44
I corrected the name.

Griefbringer
13-06-2005, 10:53
I just counted through the list and realised that there are no fewer than 29 different orders listed! It would take quite a lot of time to paint up a unit for each of these units.

Which reminds me that there are not really any handy painting references listed in the current list, so I should probably do something for that. Problem being that for a lot of these orders there is not really much in the way of pictures available.

Anyway, for anyone looking for advice on painting Knights of Fiery heart, look out for 3rd edition Warhammer Armies supplement, pages 54-55 for a very nice drawing (basically white surcoat/cloth barding, with red hearts and black maltese crosses).

Lord of the Pit
30-06-2005, 00:33
Im thinking of using a small elite knightly order as troops for the Sigmarite Inquisition in my WFRP2 campaign. Kind of like the Grey knights in 40K, but not as developed/specialized. These will however be very indoctrinated in the Sigmar faith to protect their souls and minds while fighting against chaos (well, they are told that their souls are protected anyway). In this campaign the threat of chaos will not be so obvious as it seems in WFB. The authorities tries to 'keep the lid on' chaos so to speak.

From the list above, what knightly order will best serve this purpose? Im thinking of the Knights of the Hammer, as the name seems to fit (hey, Ordo Malleus anyone?), and they are very pious. I would like to use an order where I would have to change as little fluff as possible.

Do you think some other order would fit better? Fiery Hearts?

Rathgar
30-06-2005, 00:45
Whilst not a Knightly Order there are a group of witch hunters mentioned in Ashes of Middenhiem that fit your bill I think. They're called the Ordo Fidelis, official they don’t exist, they're extremely zealous and sometimes a bit sadistic. Their mission statement: wipe out Chaos from the Empire.

From the stats that are given for a group of them they're hard to.

Griefbringer
30-06-2005, 08:59
Im thinking of using a small elite knightly order as troops for the Sigmarite Inquisition in my WFRP2 campaign.

I would recommend checking out first the militant Sigmarite witch-hunter order from Mordheim - they are quite impressive as it is.

As far as I know, there is no single knightly order dedicated to witch-hunting, though Sigmarite orders could be expected to give assistance witch-hunters at times (though there might be some tensions, with knights considering witch-hunters as lowly rabble-rousers).

My best suggestion would be to add a secretive sub-order, dedicated to witch-hunting, to one of the existing knightly order - Knights of the Fiery Heart could be a good pick, since they are big, old and have already at least one secret sub-order (Order of Fist).

Lord of the Pit
01-07-2005, 16:03
Good ideas!

Ill probably use the Order of the Fist 'suborder' to the Fiery Hearts. A secret suborder of a larger Simar knight order is exactly what im looking for. To bad about the name thou... Maybe I have to switch names or invent a new.

In my campaign there is a difference between witch hunters and 'with hunters'. What I mean is that there are witch hunters working directly under the Sigmarite Inquisition (which in turn answers directly to the Grand Theogonist), and then its the usual 'freelancing' witch hunters (some operating under some sort of licence, some just operating anyway).

The knights will of course only work with the former witch hunters on regular basis.

-Ed
09-07-2005, 00:49
Unless I'm missing something about the, shouldn't the Order of the Jade Griffon, or the sons of Solland be in there ?

Spooky
09-07-2005, 02:31
Fantastic List Greifbringer. I appreciate the time and effort that went into making it. Although I must ask, what about the Brettonian orders and for that matter what of Estalia, Tilea and the merchant princes surely there are knights in one form or another in those locations as well.

Griefbringer
09-07-2005, 12:06
Unless I'm missing something about the, shouldn't the Order of the Jade Griffon, or the sons of Solland be in there ?

I cannot remember having heard of those before - can you refer to any sources about them?

As for Spooky's question, while there are plenty of knights on Bretonnia, they are not organised into any sort of formal orders, being much more individualistic in their style. In Tilea most heavy cavalry tends to belong to mercenary units of one sort of another. As for the knighthood of Estalia, unfortunately little has been written about the subject (except for a few mentions to Myrmidian templars).

-Ed
09-07-2005, 12:14
Liber Chaotica : Tzeentch for the Order of the Jade Griffon and Citadel Journal 47 for the Sons of Solland.

Griefbringer
10-07-2005, 14:10
I am afraid I do not have access to either of those sources - anybody able to give some details? Jade Griffon sounds like one more Sigmarite templar order (we are almost starting to suffer from abundance of those).

Griefbringer
15-09-2005, 18:30
Some news for a change: according to news on the Fantasy general discussion, US WD309 has featured an article about Empire knights. I am eagerly waiting for it to be published in the UK version.

Dreadaxe
18-09-2005, 16:23
Citadel Journal 47 for the Sons of Solland.

I don't find, you are shure it's CJ 47 ?

Griefbringer
26-09-2005, 19:38
Today I got hold of the UK WD 310, which has a new article on the Empire knighty orders. I added to the list references to orders that the article describes.

Most interesting bits: there is a new order (of black bear) introduced, and there is some material on the Knights of Everlasting Light, who are an order of templars whose aim is to protect justice and fairness. Unfortunately their patron god is not mentioned, though the previous suggests that it might be Verena.

Arnizipal
26-09-2005, 20:25
Sounds like an Alluminas order to me. Don't know if he's still canon though.

Griefbringer
26-09-2005, 21:07
I have to admit that the name of the order always made me think of Alluminas, but however this talk of justice and fairness does not sound that much like him (though there is not too much material out about Alluminas, which sort of complicates things).

Silly writers - considering that the main feature of a templar order is their allegiance to some specific deity, it would be a jolly good thing to mention that deity when writing about them. Now we instead find out about all the unluck that has befallen the order during the years.

Bubble Ghost
26-09-2005, 21:08
Might be secular. Light is a pretty generic symbol for "justice and fairness" and such and suchlike and things of that nature.

Griefbringer
26-09-2005, 21:13
Well, their name in the article is given as The Templars of Everlasting Light, plus I think the Empire army book also mentioned them as being a templar order.

So I somehow doubt them being a secular order (secular templar order sounds somewhat contradictory).

Bubble Ghost
26-09-2005, 21:17
Templars

Oops, hadn't noticed that. Scratch that idea then. Carry on!

Griefbringer
26-09-2005, 21:23
Well, I find out the concept of secular templars humorous in some strange, montypythonesque way - perhaps an order that is sworn to the defence of seculiarism and to oppose theocracy, and do so with an almost religious commitment. However, not something that would really fit into the Warhammer world.

But to the topic, on the good side I liked the new entry of the Order of the Black Bear - nice to see a new order that is not yet another Sigmarite templar order. I am still wondering what that Halfling Coursing sport of theirs was like, though.

Nazguire
07-10-2005, 10:39
Well, I find out the concept of secular templars humorous in some strange, montypythonesque way - perhaps an order that is sworn to the defence of seculiarism and to oppose theocracy, and do so with an almost religious commitment. However, not something that would really fit into the Warhammer world.

But to the topic, on the good side I liked the new entry of the Order of the Black Bear - nice to see a new order that is not yet another Sigmarite templar order. I am still wondering what that Halfling Coursing sport of theirs was like, though.



Possibly Halfling hunting, but not actually killing them, just rounding them up. Or it could be something far more nasty.

Griefbringer
29-10-2005, 10:41
I was browsing up Mordheim Annual 2002, and noticed a piece of fluff that mentions that the Knight of Raven Order founded Mordheim.

I am left to wonder whether this is the same as the Morrite order of Black Knights (also known as Order of Raven and Raven Knights) or a different order with a similar name. I am leaning towards the later alternative - the brief description did not really sound like something fitting followers of Morr.

Minister
31-10-2005, 16:00
I will point out that the Sword and Scales design on the sample banner for the Templars of Everlasting Light is, in fact, the sacred symbol of Verena (minus the owl design on the pommel, which would be nigh impossible to represent at that scale).

Griefbringer
01-11-2005, 10:33
I must admit that I never actually bothered to pay attention to the banner held by the example model, but from what you say it sounds like Verena (though I must say that I do not usually count models as reliable fluff sources).

Rathgar
21-10-2006, 18:03
Two new ones for you from Terror in Talabheim. Couldn’t find them on your list:

Knights of the Red Shields

Elector Count of Talabecland’s personal bodyguard. MIA after Storm of Chaos

Knights of the Stag

Relatively new order (no founding date given) Proud and regal they consider themselves above the other knightly orders based in the city, and think of themselves as ‘the true sons of Talabheim.

Also I just wanted an excuse to bump this thread as it’s fantastic.

Dreadaxe
21-10-2006, 19:09
"New informations" about Black Guard are given page 46 The Witch Hunter's Handbook

Dreadaxe
21-10-2006, 19:29
Source : Sigmar Heirs

* Monastery of Triton Order at Manannsheim (p66). However I don't know if it's a Knight Order.

* Informations about Order of Raven Knight based to Siegfriedhof (p86-87).

* Informations about Knights of the Blazing Sun (p36 ; p122-123)

* Informations about Knight Panther (p56).

Griefbringer
21-10-2006, 20:31
Thank you Rathgar and Dreadaxe for those hints! I must admit that I have not really been following on the WFRP2 releases, good to know that there is some stuff about knights there too. I will add those orders and references to the list at some point.

Dreadaxe
21-10-2006, 20:55
http://www.webxorcist.com/warhammerforever/singledocument.asp?articleID=64


Question:
does Morr have a knightly order and if so is it detailed and where?

Answer:
I have seen several writings on the Templars of Morr on a variety of websites, but there actually exists an official version.

In Apocrypha 2: Chart of Darkness, published by Hogshead in 2000, some excellent material concerning the cult of Morr is included. Amongst this information, is the "Raven Knights" which is the common name for the Morr Templar Order known more formally as Chivalric Order of Deserved Rest.
I can heartily recommend the Chart of Darkness book, as it contains some excellent new material on Morr (including new spells, background information, funeral practices and more), but also material concerning crime and punishment in the Old World, new careers, a reprint of long out-of-print White Dwarf articles and much more.

Another less official, but equally good source, is the Clad in Steel article by Colin Chapman, which details the Order of the Black Shroud along with a bunch of other templar and knight orders. This article is available from the Warhammer Archives, and probably on several other websites as well.

In addition, I have written my take on the Knight Order in collaboration with Black Library author C.L.Werner - and that article can be found here.


The Black Guard of Morr (November 7, 2004)
This is a background article for Templar Order of Morr, which are alternatively known as "The Raven Knights" or "The Black Guard", and which I have been meaning to finalized for a very long time.

The final document is actually the result of an interesting collaboration between myself and C.L.Werner, the author of the Brunner and Thulmann books. A few ideas have been pitched back and forth, text contributed and the final result is all the better for it.

A note of thank you to Clint is certainly in order - for contributing ideas, allowing me to use a quote from his upcoming book "Witch Hunter" and for adding the bios for two of his own Black Guard novel characters to the document.

CommanderCax
22-10-2006, 12:28
*BLACK GUARD (aka Raven Knights or Black Knights or Order of Raven or Knights of Morr)

Here (http://forum.blackindustries.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7535) the guys from BI say the Raven Knights and the Black Guard are different orders. Dave Allen furthermore says here (http://forum.blackindustries.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6351) that the confusion about the Templars of Morr will be addressed in a product by BI...

Griefbringer
23-10-2006, 09:48
I guess we will have to wait for that release then - I am not really able to check back on all the references to try to figure the differences between Raven Knights and Black Guard.

El Big Man
30-10-2006, 11:31
Was the Order of the Jade Griffon an order that turned to Chaos? The Chaos Knights come from somewhere and I'm sure that I've read of whole orders turning to chaos.

Griefbringer
30-10-2006, 16:25
I'm sure that I've read of whole orders turning to chaos.

I have not, but if you can find a reference somewhere, I would be delighted to see it.

Surely, individual knights from Empire (and other parts of the Old World) might at times slip to the side of chaos. However, this is not likely to be the major origin of chaos knights/warriors - for that you should rather look at the chaos-following tribes of the north.

Anyway, this thread is dedicated to (current and former) orders of Empire knights, if somebody wants to further discuss the followers of chaos, please start a new thread for that.

Revlid
30-10-2006, 18:14
Someone said that there was information for the Jade Griffons in Liber Chaotica Tzeentch; Could anyone summarise it?

Dry_Erase
30-10-2006, 18:28
Source : Sigmar Heirs

* Monastery of Triton Order at Manannsheim (p66). However I don't know if it's a Knight Order.

As I originally intended it when I created it for the Warpstone article (that Sigmar's Heirs borrowed from) it is a monastic order, rather than militant knightly order.

Griefbringer
03-11-2006, 17:31
Someone said that there was information for the Jade Griffons in Liber Chaotica Tzeentch; Could anyone summarise it?

My local gaming store had their remaining copies of Liber Chaotica Tzeench at half price, so I ended up picking one. Will see if I can find anything about the Jade Griffons on it.

Dreadaxe
03-11-2006, 18:20
My local gaming store had their remaining copies of Liber Chaotica Tzeench at half price, so I ended up picking one. Will see if I can find anything about the Jade Griffons on it.

MvS would confirm but the information about Jade Griffons are the same of WFB5 Champions of Chaos.

Griefbringer
03-11-2006, 19:26
MvS would confirm but the information about Jade Griffons are the same of WFB5 Champions of Chaos.

Well, Champions of Chaos happens to be one of those 5th edition publications I still have not managed to acquire to my collection.

That said, off to read the book now!

Griefbringer
04-11-2006, 10:18
Now I found the mention of the order of Jade Griffon - it is in the story about Aekold Helbrass. Does not mention much about them, other than that they are templars (presumably of Sigmar).

Dreadaxe
19-01-2007, 10:40
Order of the Griffon
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/zoneOverviews/Nordland/NordlandOverview.php


The situation is dire and the Emperor knows that without help, Nordland will soon fall and the enemy will have a clear path to the very heart of the Empire. In a council with his chief advisors, Karl Franz devises the Order of the Griffon, an elite military force answerable only to the Emperor himself, with an authority that supersedes that of the Elector Counts and their provincial generals. Freed from these bureaucratic constraints, the Order will take swift action to unify all defensive measures being engineered in the north.

Soon afterward, emissaries from the Order of the Griffon pour into Nordland with a stern mandate: train and arm those willing to defend the Empire, and compel those who would turn tail and flee to join the fight, by any means necessary.

One such emissary is Viktor Riese, who has been tasked with preparing the townsfolk of Grimmenhagen, a small village just a short ride from Neues Emskrank, to join the battle against the Warhost. The farmers and peasants of Grimmenhagen are forced to trade their plowshares for swords, or risk losing their lands, their families and even their lives.

Grimmenhagen is but one front in the first battles the Empire will fight against Tchar’zanek’s warhost. It is a struggle that will be fought both without, against an implacable horde of barbarians bent on total conquest, and within, where the people of the Empire must find the courage to face a deadly foe even as they suffer from a terrible plague. For if the people of Nordland should lose heart and give in to their fear, the Empire may be doomed before the war has even begun.

Dreadaxe
05-02-2007, 23:05
Renowned Knightly Orders (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/empire/painting/knights/gallery/default.htm) - A gallery of Knights from across the Empire

The Order of the Blazing Sun
The Order of the Black Bear
The Knights Griffon
The Knights Panther
The Hunters of Sigmar
The Grand Order of the Reiksguard
The Templars of the Everlasting Light
The Order of the Broken Sword
The Order of the Sacred Scythe
The Knights of Sigmar's Blood
The Knights of Morr
The Order of the Gold Lion
The Knights Encarmine
The Order of the Hammers of Sigmar

CommanderCax
02-04-2007, 12:40
Here (http://forum.blackindustries.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7535) the guys from BI say the Raven Knights and the Black Guard are different orders. Dave Allen furthermore says here (http://forum.blackindustries.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6351) that the confusion about the Templars of Morr will be addressed in a product by BI...

I guess we will have to wait for that release then - I am not really able to check back on all the references to try to figure the differences between Raven Knights and Black Guard.

It looks promising that they go into it. (http://www.blackindustries.com/pdf/previews/wfrp-ndm-02.pdf) :cool:

Dreadaxe
28-05-2007, 23:06
Knight Commander of the Imperial Guard:
a title of governmental office. Current encumbant is Margrave Hermann von Pfeifraucher. (WD91).

Knight-Chevalier of the Bedchamber:
a title of governmental office handed out by an Elector. (WD91)

Knights of Purity:
Marienburg order. A charitable organisation but a very secretive one. They hold meetings in the back room of Moonbeam Inn. Known members: Albert Loodemans. (WD133)

Weldo Rubin
07-06-2007, 20:52
The Order of the Blazing Sun
The Order of the Black Bear
The Knights Griffon
The Knights Panther
The Hunters of Sigmar
The Grand Order of the Reiksguard
The Templars of the Everlasting Light
The Order of the Broken Sword
The Order of the Sacred Scythe
The Knights of Sigmar's Blood
The Knights of Morr
The Order of the Gold Lion
The Knights Encarmine
The Order of the Hammers of Sigmar

Didn't they forget the Knights of the White Wolf?!

MvS
07-06-2007, 21:38
Don't forget the Holy Orders of the Templars of Sigmar - or Witch Hunters to you and I.

Dreadaxe
17-06-2007, 21:17
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/orcs/painting/orcgallery/3.htm

The Crushas were the formidable core of Gorbad Ironclaw's Waaagh! At the Battle of Solland's crown, they single-handedly demolished the Solland Greatswords and the Knights of the Shining Star. It was the Crushas who led the charge against the Dwarfs of Karak Norn, and the assault on Fort Schippel. The Crushas don't use shields, seeing them as trinkets best suited to "squishy 'umies" — besides, a shield just gets in the way when cracking heads.

Dreadaxe
22-11-2007, 14:05
Night's Dark Masters (http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=WH&content=wfrp-nights-dark-masters) speak page 43 of Knight of Irrana which became followers of Abhorash.

Griefbringer
22-11-2007, 14:40
Hmmm, looks like for some reason the auto-notifications to replies on this thread to me have not been working, so I have missed some wonderful replies - apologies for that!


Knights of Purity:
Marienburg order. A charitable organisation but a very secretive one. They hold meetings in the back room of Moonbeam Inn. Known members: Albert Loodemans. (WD133)

Interesting order, but the only thing they have to do with knights is their name (besides Marienburg is not in Empire anymore).


Don't forget the Holy Orders of the Templars of Sigmar - or Witch Hunters to you and I.

To quote myself: "Please notice that not all templar orders mentioned in the background are considered as knightly orders for the purposes of this thread."

And while I have a soft spot for those loony rabble-rousing bonfire makers, calling them "knights" is not something that I would do when in company of Imperial citizens of noble birth.

Dreadaxe
02-12-2007, 18:43
Another compilation
http://www.warhammer-empire.com/library/knights/knights_index.php

Dreadaxe
08-12-2007, 11:23
Knights of the Drakwald Forest


THE HISTORY OF BERNHARDT THE BRAVE
History of Bernhardt the Brave
Article by Ralph Horsley

First appearing in Inferno! #6 this article tells the tale of the Great War Against Chaos from the perspective of Count Bernhardt of the Drakwald. Includes some details of Kislev and Praag.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/articles/inferno-articles/pdfs/kislev-war-chaos.pdf

Dreadaxe
01-02-2008, 11:09
Another compilation
http://www.warhammer-empire.com/library/knights/knights_index.php

http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=17589.0

burad
02-02-2008, 16:08
Really excellent effort. The only other thing that would be really good to see would be a listing of knightly orders by province.
That would help a lot for those folks who are building an army for a particular province, as they would know which orders they would normally have available locally.

Griefbringer
03-02-2008, 10:48
Problem with the by province listing is that for most of the orders there is not really much information available on which provinces they are exactly present at.

sangui
06-03-2012, 11:12
Anyone know where i can find more information about some lost orders like the Blood Dragons and Red Shields?

Griefbringer
07-03-2012, 17:46
For the Blood Dragons, the best place to look for is probably various items of Vampire Counts material, including older army books.

Dreadaxe
08-04-2012, 16:36
For the Blood Dragons, the best place to look for is probably various items of Vampire Counts material, including older army books.

The last ABs (7th and 8th) give good description of Blood Dragons.

@Griefbringer
Updating of the list is in the tube?

Little Joe
08-04-2012, 17:25
Blood dragons are a faction (bloodline of Abhorash) of vampires, the knights of blood keep used to be an order garding the border to Bretonnia. They are now called blood knights after being tested by Shaitaan, so are now part of the blood dragons. That is why it is a bit silly for them to be in a von carstein book, since blood lines fight each other.
The 7th and 8th edition army book will have almost the same information on the blood knights, like almost none. There is more to be found on blood dragons but they are and were not an empire order.

Griefbringer
08-04-2012, 18:55
Has anybody been able to check if the new Empire army book features any new knightly orders?

At least the demi-griffons seem to be a new feature - do they riders form an order of their own, or are they part of the other orders?

Felwether
08-04-2012, 19:54
There's a little tidbit in the latest WD about the new Demigryph Knights. Apparently only the minority of Knightly Orders can field Demigryphs and the Knights Griffon are the most famous Order to have them in their stables.

Tygre
12-05-2012, 11:30
From WD 389
Knights of Taal's Fury
Knights of the Vengeful Sun
Knights of the Arrow
Knights of the Gold Lion

Griefbringer
15-05-2012, 14:30
Is there some actual fluff provided for those orders in the WD, or is it just paint jobs?

By coincidence, I flicked through a couple of pages in said WD yesterday in library, but did not happen to spot those. Time for a new visit tomorrow, I guess.

Tygre
17-05-2012, 01:52
Page 54-57
There is a small paragraph on each. I don't really want transcribe it here.

Griefbringer
19-05-2012, 14:06
I went through that WD article today, and have added relevant material to the posts in the beginning of the thread. I'll have to admit that it was surprisingly good article, though rather brief.

I presume that the mentioned Knights of the Gold Lion are the same as the previously known Order of Golden Lion, so I have combined the two of them into the same entry.

Cooper97
12-09-2012, 02:11
Knights of the twin-tailed orb:
Knights of the twin tailed orb are followers of Sigmar, named after the twin tailed comet that heralded Sigmar's appearance among mortals. Like othe Sigmarite orders they are renowned for their zeal and fervour. They are also renowned for not allowing enemies to escape, perusing all enemies over the battle ground.

Arnizipal
12-09-2012, 11:49
Yeah, I think Griefbringer already detailed them ;)


*KNIGHTS OF TWIN TAILED ORB
-Summary: these knights are a religious sect located high in the Middle Mountains. They believe Sigmar has joined with the comet and now looks down upon the Empire searching for fearless warriors to join him in his celestial abode. The Knights of the Twin-Tailed Orb are fanatical templars who charge into battle with the religious intensity of a warrior priest.
-Allegiance: Sigmar.
-Appearance: their shields proudly display the emblem of the twin-tailed comet - the sigil of Sigmar, and the colours blue, orange and yellow predominate on their armour.
-Sources: 12, 16, 25

Griefbringer
16-11-2012, 16:21
I have now added to the list three new orders mentioned briefly in the 8th edition army book, bringing the total of knightly orders listed to 40 in total. These new orders being:

- Order of Ebon Sword (destroyed by dragon Malathrax)
- Order of Glinting Steel (no details provided, but presented as fighting alongside White Wolves in a story)
- Knights of the Shining Talon (famous for razorback-mounted knights)

Also on page 59 there is mention of sir Albrecht Valdorf, preceptor of the Righteous Lance. This sounds like it might be yet another knightly order.

Dreadaxe
16-11-2012, 20:08
A update, excellent!

The Empire at War of BI

* The Order of the Black Rose (Ottila's Cavalry Bodyguard)
* The Knight of the Divine Sword. These brave warriors were led into battle of Hel Fenn by the Grand Theogonist, Kurt III. Illustration page 45. Description page 46.

Dreadaxe
04-12-2012, 23:44
32.) Demigryph knights, White Dwarf 389, pages 54-57

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/375944/Warhammer/Demigryph%20Knights%20background%20%5Bfrom%20White %20Dwarf%20%23389%5D.pdf

quietus1986
23-03-2014, 09:32
KNIGHTS OF FIERY HEART last member died in the gotrex and felix novals when felix had to show them ge was alowed to use there magic blade.
most members wear changed to beastmen.

Athelassan
23-03-2014, 17:27
KNIGHTS OF FIERY HEART last member died in the gotrex and felix novals when felix had to show them ge was alowed to use there magic blade.
most members wear changed to beastmen.
He wasn't the last member. Unless they've had some treatment in a novel I haven't yet read, the order is still assumed to be around.

quietus1986
23-03-2014, 22:29
he sad ha was the last of his order in the novel he and his squere. they only have one chapter hous and they wear the only one's left there.
( juist read the compleet series )

Griefbringer
24-03-2014, 08:01
Could you give the name(s) of the relevant novel(s)? Approximate pages would be a bonus.

I cannot recall seeing any mention of the Knights of the Fiery Heart in the Felix & Gotrek novels that I have read, but then again I think I have only read some of the first ones.

quietus1986
24-03-2014, 13:11
Il have a look I think its in the 4 omnibus Shamanslayer. Its al over the book. Felix meets the last of the order and he demands karaghul back. but ge can urn the use of it till the order needs it back (not yet known that every one from the order is death) he has to go look for al the knights go have disapeerd. and 2 relics if there death. teobalt will be bariede with the relics in the end of the book.

but for your help. Here are the things sad about it in the apendix ( explanation of characters, places , and in portend items.
A Gotrek & Felix Gazetteer

Banner of Baldemar:
Sacred banner of the Order of the Fiery Heart, made from the cloak of the knight who founded the order.

Ortwin:
squire to Sir Teobalt, a knight of the Order of the Fiery Heart. he is young and impressionable, and hero-worships the poet-adventurer Felix Jaeger

Sword of Righteous Flame:
A sacred relic of the knightly Order of the Fiery Heart. It is said that the weapon bursts into flame in the presence of unrighteous.

Teobalt von Dreschler:
A knight of the Order of the Fiery Heart. When he finds Felix in Altdorf, he demands the return of the sword Karaghul, which was taken from the body of one of his order, some twenty years previously. later, he makes a bargain with Felix that if he and Gotrek assist him in a quest- locating the fallen members of his order and recovering their banner - the knight will grant him stewardship of the sword.

Lets say The order are know beastman. Ortwin changes to but helps the others and teobalt kiss Ortwin out of merci And Teobalt falls fighting the beastman And I thing ge become's a zombie in the next book.

Athelassan
31-03-2014, 18:09
Ah, I gave up on the G&F books between Elfslayer and the Anthology, so I missed that. Nathan Long really did some background butchery in his G&F novels. Time was the Order of the Fiery Heart was the biggest Sigmarite order in the Empire and a major political force. Sad to see them reduced to a throwaway plot point and killed off randomly. Not to mention the "all female vampires are Lahmian, even when they're von Carsteins, or are they?" thing.

quietus1986
01-04-2014, 05:05
No there is even a male lahmian in the felix and gothrix novels. They are sepost to be almost non existant. Lahmian is juisy the oldist if al vampire blood lines its nefrata ot somthing like that that made the first vampires (begining with gher self)

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Griefbringer
02-04-2014, 19:27
Let's stick to the knightly orders, please. If you want to discuss vampires, do it somewhere else (at least unless they are former Empire knights turned into vampires).

Sir_Glonojad
26-12-2014, 18:32
Information from the Glottkin book:

According to the Realms United muster, the following Knightly Orders were present at the opening part of the Battle of Altdorf:

The Reiksguard Reserve - 8 regiments
The Knights of the Setting Sun: 1 regiment of Inner Circle (IC), two regular regiments
The Knights of Sigmar's Blood: 1 IC + 3 regular regiments
The Knights of the Blazing Sun: 1 IC + 3 regular regiments
The Knights Panther: 1 IC + 2 regular + 1 Demigryph regiments
The Knights Griffon: 2 regular + 3 Demigryph regiments

(as a side note - Bretonnians send their de-facto viceroy plus:
53 lances of Knights of the Realm
32 lances of Knights Errant
13 lances of Questing Knight
12 lances of Pegasus Knights)

Griefbringer
27-12-2014, 08:47
This would be the first time I hear about the Knights of the Setting Sun - what a poetic name they have got! Is there any more information about them in the Glottkin book?

Sir_Glonojad
27-12-2014, 08:56
Only a shield with their heraldic symbol I am afraid.

I wonder if Knights Panther conversion set would be compatible with the demigryph set...

Ponge
03-02-2015, 22:44
An order I don't see on here is the Osterknact. (maybe I looked over it)

They are a knightly order from Ostermark, they are basically what the reiksguard are, but specifically for Ostermark.

They are mentioned in the Slaves to Darkness books from black library.

Noble Korhedron
03-02-2015, 23:22
An order I don't see on here is the Osterknact. (maybe I looked over it)

They are a knightly order from Ostermark, they are basically what the reiksguard are, but specifically for Ostermark.

They are mentioned in the Slaves to Darkness books from black library.I'm not sure Black Library counts as 'canon' when it comes to fluff though; GW even retcon their own "official" stuff when printing new Editions of army books, so I hardly think they'd consider BL novels 'official' canon...?

Athelassan
05-02-2015, 19:42
I'm not sure Black Library counts as 'canon' when it comes to fluff though; GW even retcon their own "official" stuff when printing new Editions of army books, so I hardly think they'd consider BL novels 'official' canon...?
When it's come up, GW have always insisted everything that comes out of official GW sources is canon. Although the BL stuff is more vulnerable to being overwritten or retconned (by accident, usually) if it's in there it can be assumed to exist or have existed in the world (or one of the various overlapping worlds that actually functionally constitute the Warhammer setting).

It should also be noted that continuity and canon are not the same. In fact the whole idea of "canon" is pretty much fundamentally flawed, but this isn't the place for that discussion.

Arnizipal
06-02-2015, 22:34
An order I don't see on here is the Osterknact. (maybe I looked over it)
If that is the actual name of the chapter and not a typo, then that is the worst garbling of German I've seen in years :eyebrows:

Griefbringer
07-02-2015, 14:18
I will happily add those knights of Ostermark to the list, though I would be happy if somebody could:

a.) double-check how their name is spelled
b.) give the exact name of the book where they first make an appearance

Apparantly I forgot to add the Knights of the Setting Sun to the list - corrected now. Apologies to good Sir Glonojad.

Dreadaxe
07-02-2015, 14:33
Apparantly I forgot to add the Knights of the Setting Sun to the list - corrected now.

Some updates possible.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?2933-Empire-Knightly-Orders&p=6515964&viewfull=1#post6515964
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?2933-Empire-Knightly-Orders&p=6539123&viewfull=1#post6539123
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?2933-Empire-Knightly-Orders&p=1023863&viewfull=1#post1023863

;)

Athelassan
08-02-2015, 09:50
I will happily add those knights of Ostermark to the list, though I would be happy if somebody could:

a.) double-check how their name is spelled
b.) give the exact name of the book where they first make an appearance
It's Osterknacht. They first appear in The Claws of Chaos by Gav Thorpe, the first book in the Slaves to Darkness trilogy.

Kotrag
08-02-2015, 13:25
If that is the actual name of the chapter and not a typo, then that is the worst garbling of German I've seen in years :eyebrows:

I dunno, I kinda like the sound of the Easter Knights. For those interested, they also show up in Warhammer Invasion.

Griefbringer
08-02-2015, 17:37
Osterknacht added to the list.

Griefbringer
10-02-2015, 15:23
I have also added the following two that Dreadaxe mentioned at some point (sorry for forgetting them earlier on):

- The Order of the Black Rose
- The Knight of the Divine Sword

Sir_Glonojad
10-02-2015, 16:34
No problem dear Griefbringer ;).

Do You consider adding information on Orders equppied with Demiygryphs?

Griefbringer
11-02-2015, 18:05
I don't think that I would have anything particularly much to add about demigryphs knights in particular. They were only introduced with the 8th edition Empire army book, and besides that the only background source that I know for them is that one WD article, and the orders mentioned in that article should already be covered in this thread.

Sir_Glonojad
12-02-2015, 18:43
Well, it is true that they are a very recent addition, yet they do have some style and add nice Fantasy (and not Steampunk!) elements to otherwise HolyRomanEmpire Imperial outlook ;).

So I'd mention - in Order descriptions - that they use these creatures if they do (and from the most notable Orders, Knights Panther definitely do).

Griefbringer
13-02-2015, 14:28
I am afraid that for the majority of the orders we have no information as to whether they use demi-gryphs or not. I think we only have specific information about the subject for 6-8 orders or so.

Sir_Glonojad
13-02-2015, 16:35
Well, that is true. I don't have my 8th edition book on hand so can't really check that up.

Still some information is better than no information I guess...

Griefbringer
13-02-2015, 20:15
On a quick checking of the sources, I came up with the following list of orders that have been explicitely stated as having demigryph knights:

- Knights Panther
- Knights Griffon
- Knight of the Arrow
- Knights of Taal's Fury
- Knights of the Vengeful Sun
- Order of Golden Lion

For the rest of the orders, there is simply no information available as to whether they have any or not. So feel free to use your imagination.

Noble Korhedron
13-02-2015, 22:26
I think only the most ancient and skilled orders use Demigryphs, as either they're the only ones crazy enough to try, or they're the only ones with the right to capture them...? :confused:

Griefbringer
14-02-2015, 20:21
I don't recall having seen any mention of licences being needed for capturing demi-gryphs - it is not like most of the Empire citizens would really bother trying in the first place.

Speaking of the most ancient orders, it used to be that Knights Panthers, established during the Crusades (like the Knights of the Blazing Sun), claimed themselves to be the oldest knightly order in Empire. However, checking the timeline in 8th edition Empire army book, there is a mention of knightly orders from Empire growing tired of the internal strife and heading out for the Crusades - suggesting that there were orders in existence already before those events. And there is a mention of a lot of new orders being formed during the Crusades.

Kesh1488
09-03-2015, 05:16
Hi This is a great thread. Can anyone share the opinions on the likelihood and validity of Dark skin in the empire and in particular Dark skin knights in an order such as the Knights Panther? Any help would be much appreciated as I want to do a Knights Panther army but want some racial diversity in my models.

Noble Korhedron
09-03-2015, 11:45
Hi This is a great thread. Can anyone share the opinions on the likelihood and validity of Dark skin in the empire and in particular Dark skin knights in an order such as the Knights Panther? Any help would be much appreciated as I want to do a Knights Panther army but want some racial diversity in my models.You mean basically the Warhammer equivalent of black men? I think they exist in the Southlands, and certain parts of north-eastern and coastal Lustria; they've learned by now how to get on with the Lizardmen.....

Griefbringer
10-03-2015, 15:54
The native human population of Empire is not exactly multi-ethnic, though in the bigger cities you might well be able to encounter visitors from all over Old World and from locations beyond, such as from Araby and Cathay, some of whom might even end up settling permanently in Empire rather than returning back to their homelands. However, such immigrants would form a pretty small portion of the total population. Furthermore, typical knightly orders recruit primarily from the ranks of the nobility, and it is not entirely trivial for a visitor or recent immigrant to attain such high rank. However, some orders (especially templar ones) might allow access based on merits rather than birth.

So it certainly could be possible for somebody of foreign background to achieve membership in a knightly order, but rare. So if you want to paint one model in an odd skin colour, go ahead - it is your army after all. Just come up with some background to explain it, if somebody asks.

That said, if you model your knights with fully enclosing helmets, there won't be any skin showing up anyway.

Athelassan
10-03-2015, 16:24
I don't recall having seen any mention of licences being needed for capturing demi-gryphs - it is not like most of the Empire citizens would really bother trying in the first place.

Speaking of the most ancient orders, it used to be that Knights Panthers, established during the Crusades (like the Knights of the Blazing Sun), claimed themselves to be the oldest knightly order in Empire. However, checking the timeline in 8th edition Empire army book, there is a mention of knightly orders from Empire growing tired of the internal strife and heading out for the Crusades - suggesting that there were orders in existence already before those events. And there is a mention of a lot of new orders being formed during the Crusades.

I suppose it is possible that the Panthers are the oldest secular order - or at least the oldest surviving secular order; many, especially the smaller ones, were probably destroyed during the various Imperial civil wars. There are always nice bits of legalese to apply to such things too - even if there were sworn brotherhoods of knights around at the time of Sigmar they weren't proper knightly orders, say, because they didn't have this particular bit of paper or whatever. So their making such a claim is probably still possible even if it seems less likely in light of subsequent changes to and developments in the background.

I've always kind of liked the idea, which I'm not sure is directly supported canonically, that the Panthers at their peak in the late 1400s were essentially a small country, kind of like the Teutonic Knights IRL. It's probably not a coincidence that the Duke of Middenland declared independence shortly after the Panthers returned from Araby and swore allegiance to him: with the Panthers and the cult of Ulric behind him it must have been a substantial military boost.

Griefbringer
11-03-2015, 19:18
Certainly many knightly orders have disappeared in the past. I am not sure how many were lost in the civil wars, but there is at least one order that got eaten by dragon, and another that got ended up as undead.

And no doubt there is plenty of rivalry amongst the different orders as to which one is the most ancient, prestigious, honourable, courageous or flamboyant. It would not surprise me if that has led into minor battles between various orders to settle their mutual conflicts (and there is probably some scenario potential in this, though it might not make for a very interesting game in practice...).

Noble Korhedron
11-03-2015, 19:26
Certainly many knightly orders have disappeared in the past. I am not sure how many were lost in the civil wars, but there is at least one order that got eaten by dragon, and another that got ended up as undead.

And no doubt there is plenty of rivalry amongst the different orders as to which one is the most ancient, prestigious, honourable, courageous or flamboyant. It would not surprise me if that has led into minor battles between various orders to settle their mutual conflicts (and there is probably some scenario potential in this, though it might not make for a very interesting game in practice...).According to the re-written fluff, the one that became undead is the Blood Dragons, AKA the VC Blood Knights.

Originally, they were followers of Aborash, who cured himself of a Vampire's eternal thirst by drinking a dragon's blood; his followers then called themselves 'Blood Dragons' and started striving to emulate his achievement.

Griefbringer
10-07-2015, 08:14
I have added Order of Crystal Lance to the list. They make an appearance in the 8th edition BRB in the Empire background section, though there is not much info about them.

Long live the Empire!

Sir_Glonojad
12-07-2015, 09:00
Hi guys, I hope this would not derail the thread too much ;)

I am thinking about getting some Knights Panther. So I've come accross this lot:
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warhammer-Empire-Mounted-Knights-Panther-Wolf-Metal-Figure-- Characters Mounted -/251989215384?nav=SEARCH

Are all the minis Panthers? I think there were only two Panther metal variants (excluding Standard and the Grand Master).

Athelassan
12-07-2015, 12:18
Hi guys, I hope this would not derail the thread too much ;)

I am thinking about getting some Knights Panther. So I've come accross this lot:
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warhammer-Empire-Mounted-Knights-Panther-Wolf-Metal-Figure-- Characters Mounted -/251989215384?nav=SEARCH

Are all the minis Panthers? I think there were only two Panther metal variants (excluding Standard and the Grand Master).
They're not all Panthers. Guy second from left is the metal pegasus rider. Four of the others are, I think, Knights of the Blazing Sun (the one on the far right certainly is). The only one I'm certain is a Panther is the one with, conveniently enough, the intact tab marking him as one, although that's a fairly distinctive figure in any case.

Griefbringer
12-07-2015, 14:47
Yes, Athelassan has identified them correctly: 1 Knights Panther, 4 Knights of the Blazing Sun (including standard bearer with broken banner pole) and 1 metal pegasus rider (with incorrect lower body).

However, besides the classical metal Knights Panthers models released in 1992 (grand master, standard bearer and two lancers) there was actually a fifth metal model released in the late 80's, though that looks distinctively different (being designed to fit the earlier plastic horses) and is probably very difficult to find these days.

Sir_Glonojad
12-07-2015, 15:11
Thank You very much guys! On that subject - how many.order-specific parts are there in the plastic set?

Griefbringer
12-07-2015, 18:05
On that subject - how many.order-specific parts are there in the plastic set?

If you mean Knights Panthers by order-specific, there are enough bits to model the whole lot as Knights Panthers. Going by the memory, this involves 8 or 10 heads, 8 shields, 2 panther cloaks and 2 panther decorations for the standard poles.

Personally, I liked the generic knight heads in that set more than the Knights Panther heads.

Noble Korhedron
12-07-2015, 20:59
I have added Order of Crystal Lance to the list. They make an appearance in the 8th edition BRB in the Empire background section, though there is not much info about them.

Long live the Empire!You mean in the big hardback version, right?

Griefbringer
13-07-2015, 08:39
Yes, the Order of Crystal Lance makes their appearance on page 185 of the very big 8th edition hardcover rulebook.

Griefbringer
06-03-2016, 10:44
Not sure how many are still interested in this topic, but I discovered recently that Knights of the Sigmar's Blood make an appearance in the Nagash book (End Times). I have a copy that I picked from FLGS recently, but it will take a while until I actually have time to read through it.

Arnizipal
06-03-2016, 16:04
This is one of the Great Old Threads of Warhammer Background. Of course we're still interested :)

Griefbringer
10-03-2016, 20:05
Only had time to flip through the appropriate section, but apparently the Knights of the Sigmar's Blood also came back from the Crusades with plenty of loot, and some of this wealth was used to found the fortress of Heldenhame - which gets attacked in the Nagash book.

Griefbringer
17-03-2016, 22:41
Apparently the list is also missing Drakenhof Templars - a knightly order that could once be found in the lands os Sylvania.

Dreadaxe
18-03-2016, 06:46
Apparently the list is also missing Drakenhof Templars - a knightly order that could once be found in the lands os Sylvania.

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Knight
And White Dwarf 291.

Griefbringer
25-03-2016, 17:05
Thanks for the reminder about WD 291, I might have a copy somewhere - will try to check it out in the coming weeks.

Noble Korhedron
25-03-2016, 18:18
Well, as for them being the Blood Dragons, I was getting the fluff from the old WD, around WD255-257 or so, the ones with the 6th Ed. Vampire Counts releases...

Griefbringer
02-04-2016, 18:00
Thanks for the reminder about WD 291, I might have a copy somewhere - will try to check it out in the coming weeks.

Unfortunately it did not provide much information about the Drakenhof Templars as such, though there is a nice picture of one carrying an important banner.

Noble Korhedron
02-04-2016, 18:33
Unfortunately it did not provide much information about the Drakenhof Templars as such, though there is a nice picture of one carrying an important banner.The Drakenhof Banner, I'll wager; did it have a castle icon, possibly with a dragon in some form?

Griefbringer
04-04-2016, 11:00
I cannot recall the name of the banner, but there were two different versions shown: the original one used before the arrival of Carsteins, and a revised version from the years of their rule.

Griefbringer
05-04-2016, 07:11
I took another look at WD291. It is indeed the Drakenhof banner that the templar is carrying. The original one displays a lady with a key and shield, while the later Carstein version shows a skeleton with a sword and shield. No castles or dragons shown anywhere.

Griefbringer
20-04-2016, 07:35
I have at last added an entry for the Drakenhof Templars, and updated the descripton of the Knights of Sigmar's Blood to contain material from the Nagash book.

And if you still keep on finding useful references not mentioned already in this thread, keep on posting them and I will try to add them to the list where appropriate.

Noble Korhedron
20-04-2016, 19:39
I cannot recall the name of the banner, but there were two different versions shown: the original one used before the arrival of Carsteins, and a revised version from the years of their rule.Yeah, that sounds like the Drakenhof Banner alright; it's shown as having changed in the 8th Ed. Vampire Counts book, as in changing over when the Carsteins took over.....

Griefbringer
22-04-2016, 17:44
According to the description in WD291, the change of the Drakenhof banner from the Drak version to the final Carstein version took place gradually over a period of a century or so.

Noble Korhedron
22-04-2016, 19:23
According to the description in WD291, the change of the Drakenhof banner from the Drak version to the final Carstein version took place gradually over a period of a century or so.So even after Vlad took the title of Sylvanian Count, it took a century plus to change the heraldry? Interesting....

Also, on a coincidential note, has anybody ever heard of a toy range called SYLVAINIAN Families? It's about anthorpomorphic animals, but the naming coincidence made me chuckle.... ;)

Arnizipal
23-04-2016, 00:25
Also, on a coincidential note, has anybody ever heard of a toy range called SYLVAINIAN Families? It's about anthorpomorphic animals, but the naming coincidence made me chuckle.... ;)
That (http://sylvanianfamilies.com.au/) sure is different... :eyebrows:

Griefbringer
24-04-2016, 11:47
So even after Vlad took the title of Sylvanian Count, it took a century plus to change the heraldry? Interesting....


Apparently Vlad was not exactly in a hurry back then. And by making the changes gradually, they would draw less attention. Or maybe he just kept changing his mind on how the banner should look like...