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Proiteus
16-03-2011, 21:52
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/013/3/a/forces_of_prospero_project_banner_by_proiteus-d4m6ob9.jpg


NOTE
I decided to update the first post as the army has changed greatly since I first started and it's always a good idea to have some models shown in the first post for the new viewers who don't want to search throught the first pages of concepts and ideas.

INTRO
Last year I read ĎA Thousand Sonsí and theyíre by far the most interesting Space Marine legion ever. Of course I was already interested in them thanks to the Horus Heresy Artbooks so when I brought it I already knew a bit about the Thousands Son interesting background and suspected that I would want to build an army of them after reading it. As expected I started work on a Scarab Occult army sortly after finishing the book.

WHO ARE THE SCARAB OCCULT
For those of you who havenít read the book the Scarab Occult were the Thousand Sons veteran psykers and I believe made up the entire first company. It consisted of several cults, each specialising in a unique use of psychic sorcereryÖ

The Corvidae - Able to see the future and warn the brothers of threats in the middle of a fight.
The Pyrae - Skilled Pyrokinetics able to generate and control fire. Shields projectiles you name it and control robots.
The Pavoni - Able to manipulate body chemisty; boil blood, evaporate oxygen in the lungs. Disturbing stuff.
The Athanaeans - Powerful telepaths used for reading enemy squad leaders minds and communicate to their brothers.
The Raptora - Telekines that can offensively hurl things at enemies or attack them directly or defensibly generate íkine shieldsí powerful invisible barriers.

Luckily at the time the two best releases required for such a project came out Codex: Grey Knights an army of psychic Astartes and Tomb Kings with some nice bitz to use. Iím also keen to build an army with a small amount of models after completing 64 infantry and 19 tanks for my last project. Lugging that stuff up a hill to my gaming club ain't fun lol.

UNIT CONCEPTS SO FAR!
Magnus The Red
I considered including the Primarch at first using Lord Draigo but then thought how unpractical it was as Magnus destroyed 3 xenos titans in the book by himself, so unless I was going to use count as stats from a titan he wasnít going to be in the army.


http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/8e/Magnus-red-print.jpg


Little Magnus
So I decided to create a captain nicknamed 'little Magnus' due to his resemblance to the Primarch similar to little Horus of the Luna Wolves/Sons Of Horus. I then found the prefect modelÖ


http://www.sciborminiatures.com/i/2011/big/egiptian_lord_1_04.jpg


True I wonít be able to use it in GW stores but I think heíd make a great Draigo counts as with storm shield in one hand. Iím also debating if I should attempt to green stuff some more hair on him?

One Of The Captains
I plan to convert one of the Thousand Sons captains from the book, not Ahriman thou as everyone does him and I think there are much better ones to choose from.

Interceptors
I been considering the idea of using artificer armoured marine as Ďcounts así terminators for a while as marines are always spoken of in the 40k fiction of being able to take down hold squads of infantry and having an small army of elite dramatically posed marines was tempting.


http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/200/4/a/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_by_proiteus-d40x550.jpg


Of course as you can see from these three I plan to model every warrior to look like a hardened veteran, attached wargear and robes, the iron armour should represent artificer armour very well and I've also modelled a personal teleporter on the backpack. Thou storm bolters would be represented by magical bolts with the heavier weapons being modelled as powerful spells being cast.

However after asking around on forums about it was decided that they looked too much like interceptors and would be confusing. So these guys will be used as my interceptors.

Terminators
So given on how my artificer armour idea wasnít going to work I decided to focus on converting terminator armour, I had already come up with some ideas on how I could do it with the legs being the only problem then I saw the micro art studio legs and everything fitted into place.

I also used a pair of chapterhouse shoulder pads I had ordered during a previous project out of curiosity and the Scibor Scarab Shield to replace the storm bolter plus a few other bits. I went with the power armoured helm because I prefer it to the angular terminator version.


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/207/7/0/ph_scarab_occult_terminator_up_by_proiteus-d41pstd.jpg
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/257/b/6/b69bc7f07fadacf700a62d868d6a06bb-d49u85v.jpg


I've also decided to scrap the invisible magic bolts for actual weapons so Iíve brought several of the SM commanderís storm bolter which was the easiest to convert. However rather than trying to remove the awkward mould line on the top detail I got rid of it and was going to replace it with a bolter sight from the tactical box set, but instead I made my own sights using the parts of the interceptor teleporter packs instead.
My favourite squad member is the hammer user, I love seeing thunder hammers in Dawn Of War and Space Marine as you really feel the impacts. So I decided to copy the animation when the force commander raises it in the air then brings it down on an enemy from DOW.
Finally thereís the reaper Autocannon which will represent my Psycannons, I got rid of the skull and added a eagles wing to the side to make it less chaos themed, I also swapped a halberd to the left hand.

Iím looking forward to seeing one of my squads charge for the first time as they completely dwarf standard models, just look at their size compared to the black reach marine. The dreadnoughts will be quite big as well so this will be an army of giants!

Dreadnoughts
It took a while but I final got a hold of a pair of relic contemptors and after a bit of work the first one was completed.


http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/302/2/6/thousand_son_dread_up_by_proiteus-d4ectcl.jpg


Aside the basic bits such as putting a scarab over the Aquila and a nice head crest on the helmet I converted the heavy bolters to Autocannons. I shorted down the IG Heavy weapon team Autocannons because I felt they would have looked odd if I had kept them at their original length.
Another edition was 2 strong magnets to make the arms exchangeable, now they werenít wide enough so I brought some plastic tubing the same width as the arms to put them in and thanks to the DreadĎs size this hasnĎt effected the model too much.

I'll talk about the specialised boltgun that the interceptor has in my next post.

& MUCH MORE
Now I know that people using the Grey Knight codex for Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons is common. But I feel one of the biggest benefits to the codex is itís ability to allow me to field the other forces of Prospero alongside the thousand sons. Will get to each of them later in the log but for now hereís a quick recap.

Warrior henchmen allow me to field an attachment of Prospero Spire Guard with a general representing Coteaz.

The Legio Cybernetica robotic units can be represented by basic dreadnought and paladins.

& the Thousand Sons Hidden One Operatives can be represented by assassins and inquisitors.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST
Due to GWís attitude towards the hobby side of their business, and continuing price rise Iíve decided to make this army my last, but with so much potential I feel it will be my best project ever.

Anyway I look forward to hearing your feedback on the current and future conversions for this project.

arget8
16-03-2011, 23:07
For the inquisitorial henchmen, you could have them be the prospero spireguard too, I think that would create a nice pre-heresy feel where the astartes and imperial army worked together hand in hand.

Arzukael
16-03-2011, 23:27
I am actually building my own force at the moment based on the new codex, using old marine models I have laying around + some bits I scavenged. What I try to say is, I like your idea. I originally had the same plan when I started my army, but while making the plans I felt i was too restricted and wanted a low model count + very conversion heavy army.
I will be watching your log for sure. There is something you will need to change though. I have read the codex today, and it has some differences from the leaked version I think you based your ideas on. Strike squads with teleporters are now called Interceptors. And the teleporters are represented by 4 sticks sticking out of their backpacks. I think they also classiy as fast attack now, though I'm not sure to be honest.

Kyrios
17-03-2011, 00:28
GK Strike Teams
Teleporting Astartes; these guys are a must, though Iím still scratching at my head as to how to represent their teleporting powers on the model, any suggestions?


A cool effect would be if some part of the marine is still "in transit" and trailing away in a sorcerous flame/mist

Shadow Nugz
17-03-2011, 05:16
I never realized how well that head fits with the artwork. I ordered a set, and while they are all gone now, they would fit amazingly as specific chapter helmets.

I like your Grey Knight/ TSons idea and I hope you pull it off well.

Gropius
17-03-2011, 13:55
Considering that the teleporters just make the strike squad jump infantry with a once per game special move, why not build them with pre-herey jump-packs?

Proiteus
06-05-2011, 20:13
PROJECT UPDATE; ARTIFICER ARMOUR?
For the basic warriors I now plan to use the forgeworld Iron armoured marines in order to get the gold trim that was a key feature of the pre-heresy thousand sons armour, plus the helmet.
But I would need at least 30 purifiers in order to make an effective purifier list and that would cost £140 just for the base models before other bits and vehicles.

I later came up with the idea of using it as Ďcount así artificer armour and going with a greywing army this would solve a few issuesÖ

The biggest and most important change is the army will be a lot cheaper as I will only need around 20 models. This also means I can focus more on them and add more detail.
I can feature the warriorís tutelary on the 40mm base (the most powerful Thousand Sons have a warp entity that help them channel their power, I pictured them looking something like this! (http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/chaoslegion_thanatos.jpg))
For the Psycannon Iím going to model the warriors casting magical projectiles, now terminators get to keep their CCW while the power armoured GK canít, so I wonít have an unarmed thousand sons fighting in close combat with just their fists, if you get what I mean.
I have the option to use the Ahriman model with a few tweaks as my librarian.
It will play completely different to my mech guard.

Iíve used Ďcount así in my two previous projects, my grot guard are currently featured in the GW event guide as a perfect example of a Ďcounts así army whilst my Mechanicus daemons caused too much confusion amongst oppoents for my liking.

So given my past experiences with using the Ďcounts así rule I asked around on forums and to every player I spoke to at Spring Throne Of Skulls about the idea of using artificer armoured marines as terminators. Nearly all of them stated that as long as they were mounted on 40mm bases, equipped correctly they wonít have a problem.

So I later go round to creating the first model this week, sadly it wonít be complete till Sunday where Iíll be adding a few scarabs and jewels to the armour and adding a tomb guard blade to the halberd. I put a piece of plastic tubing where the storm bolter was, this will be painted up gold with symbols on I was going to put a gem on it but that made it too bulky. Plus I finally found a part to use for the helmet crest from a dark elf corsair box.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/76262.page

Other details I included was a piece of cloth down the front, which took 3 attempts to get right but Iím confident Iíll get the hang of it. I also converted the back pack into a personal teleporter to represent the deep strike ability based off the power armour Teleporter from Dawn Of War.

I'm thinking of having Magnus' chosen as Paladins from the Horus Heresy artbooks and some thousand sons spirits as ghost knights if I choose to feature Mordrak in the army. I'm also likely to have Magnus as a dreadknight as Draigo is a bit to expensive.

As always I look forward to your feedback.

OutOfContext
06-05-2011, 20:31
Looking really good so far. I think all your counts as ideas are spot on :)

Proiteus
07-05-2011, 19:25
Good to hear :D

Proiteus
09-05-2011, 20:12
THEN THERE WERE TWO
Well the ball has now starting rolling on this project with the first two Scarab Occult warriors built. The new tomb kings blades look fantastic and fit on nicely.


http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/129/b/a/pre_heresy_thousand_sons___up_by_proiteus-d3fynva.jpg

I did try to cast the detailed scarabs off the tomb kings stuff but it failed, so Iím going to try creating the scarabs from green stuff and if Iím not happy with that Iíll paint the centre plate gold and paint the details on.

DISPLAY BOARD CONCEPTS?
I have two concepts for the display board for the ĎArmies On Paradeí contest. Iíll be able to use a laser cutter so I can go nuts with certain details and match the board design to the armyís bases which will be theseÖ


http://www.dragonforge.com/for%20sale%20images/dforge%20items%20for%20sale/Gaming%20bases/lost%20empires/40mm%20round%20base%20lost%20empires%202%201.jpg

The Temple
The first idea is a simple one, a ruined Thousand Sons temple with a gold scarab on the centre of the floor, perhaps a stairway, a few statues and maybe a water feature lol.

The Conflict At Shrike
This was a key moment in the Thousand Sons book where Magnus stopped the Space Wolves from destroying the main archives of a world they had invaded. The battle takes place on a large causeway above a chasm with the thousand sons defending the end of the causeway from an onslaught of space wolves.

The idea would be Iíd have the platform the thousand sons army was based on mounted on a piece of polystyrene and raised above the main board with the space wolves marching towards them up the bridge (see the designs). This certainly would be a great display board however there are a few problems mainly constructing the cliff face and cutting the base without a polystyrene cutter?

There is also the issue of base size, now you know Iím using them as terminators but people seeing the army will be confused as to why the power armoured troops are on 40mm bases and I canít simply put them on 25mm bases just for armies on parade cause as soon as theyíre mounted on 40mm bases the display will be useless?

Iíd be very grateful for any advice regarding the display board?

TheConverter15
09-05-2011, 20:21
Reckon this is a good idea, havent read Thousand Sons yet but the conflict at shrrike looks pretty good. Btw what did you use for the head piece??

BeatTheBeat
09-05-2011, 20:58
These are looking really promising, can't wait to see some paint! Have to get on with reading A Thousand Sons soon, but I fear the inevitable urge to start (yet) another new army...

TheConverter15 - In the post with the first pic he said that it is a Dark Elf Corsair helmet crest.

Cheers,
BTB

Cerebralerebus
09-05-2011, 21:08
Models look great so far. Can't believe how much those tomb kings weapons look like power blades.

Justy noticed in the picture of Magnus that the terminator on the right is standing in front of him. That's one big dude. Tyrus looks like a perfect base.

Makes me want to do pre-heresy thousand sons too.

Proiteus
09-05-2011, 21:58
Btw what did you use for the head piece??

Why Magnus the red of course, in the actual army he'll represent a Dreadknight but to keep it simple for armies on parade he'll be placed on a 40mm base so people will think he's representing Draigo.

Horus Aximand
10-05-2011, 16:02
Why Magnus the red of course, in the actual army he'll represent a Dreadknight but to keep it simple for armies on parade he'll be placed on a 40mm base so people will think he's representing Draigo.

I think he meant the small icons on the helmets.

I like where this is going. I'm a huge fun of your previous work, and I am looking forwards to what you eventually come up with :)

Proiteus
10-05-2011, 21:55
I mentioned it in the first model post...


I finally found a part to use for the helmet crest from a dark elf corsair box.

A NEED FOR SPEED?
Also heres an idea for Grey Knight Teleporter squads how about Pre-Heresy Jetbikes? It would suit their teleporter move better and make them easier differentiate from the 'artificer armoured warriors'. True they'll still be toughness 4, but the idea of having jetbikes with halberds down still sounds interesting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v362/Damned1/Emperors%20Children/WIPs/Raelichus.jpg

Petay1985
11-05-2011, 09:05
fantastic work so far fella, very impressed, it is very pleasing to see someone put in som much time planning their force, ensuting their 'counts as' units actually work and that the aesthetic is spot on. i will be watching this thread with great interest.

ghost21
11-05-2011, 19:39
verry nice

Mega Nutz
11-05-2011, 20:19
Don't mean to hijack the thread but thought this might be useful Re the jet bike idea.

http://www.maxmini.eu/forum/index.php?topic=478.0

Proiteus
11-05-2011, 21:41
Don't mean to hijack the thread but thought this might be useful Re the jet bike idea.

http://www.maxmini.eu/forum/index.php?topic=478.0

Cool, problem is it's not GW and since I want to enter this into the armies on parade it's not possible.

Still debating jetbikes thou as I feel putting them in the same army as my 'counts as' terminators is asking a little too much.

Coalesce
12-05-2011, 10:11
the bases look very good, they willmake for a good contrast

wndl
12-05-2011, 12:46
The Concept looks really good, i am definitely curios how it turns out.

Concerning the jetbike count as:

I would say it depends on the models in the list. If every power armor marine is a stand in terminator, it could be even more confusing to have some of them with teleporters that suddenly have a worse save. So if you only use Terminator, Inceptors and Dread Knights, it should be pretty easy to distinguish them. But put Purifiers in the mix and everything becomes a blur.
So my point is, if you use jetbikes than the difference is more clear. The only problem could be the bases, but if you make them heavier maybe the small ones can bear a jetbike. And with psybolt ammunition you could even put bigger guns on them.

Proiteus
16-05-2011, 19:35
HARD WORK!
So far the first model looks to be my best painted miniature yet, and it should be given that I spent a evening blending the red, a 2nd evening doing the gold and this afternoon on the other details and I've still got to do the arms. Makes me look forward to the finished model and glad I'm only doing around 25 of them!

With luck I'll have the first guy done by the end of the week, just need to figure out how to detail his base so he isn't dwarfed by it?


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/77708.page

BASEWORK & FILLERS
Problem is, because Iím using them as artificer armoured troops (terminators) I have to mount them on 40mm bases, some of the models can be posed to make the base not look to big but there are a lot of large gaps. I would love to model some small tutelaries (warp entities the thousand sons used) on the base but Iím having trouble finding the right miniatures to convert, I did think of using the ghouls and painting the hairs as flames but theyíve got too many bones on them so I donít think it would look right.

So any ideas on what I can use to convert something similar to this critter right here which is how I imagined the tutelaries looked to go on my bases?


http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/chaoslegion_thanatos_640w.jpg

Mega Nutz
16-05-2011, 20:48
Great looking WIP, that red is gorgeous!

Petay1985
16-05-2011, 21:05
the work in progress marine is fantastic, really rich colours and great highlighting on the golds. looking forward to seeing these chaps develop.

TheGodOfNothing
19-05-2011, 15:30
HARD WORK!

I would love to model some small tutelaries (warp entities the thousand sons used) on the base but Iím having trouble finding the right miniatures to convert, I did think of using the ghouls and painting the hairs as flames but theyíve got too many bones on them so I donít think it would look right.

So any ideas on what I can use to convert something similar to this critter right here which is how I imagined the tutelaries looked to go on my bases?


http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/chaoslegion_thanatos_640w.jpg

Great work so far! As for the tutelaries: lizardmen or kroxigors (Might be too big). Or Ork Torsos w/Lizardman heads.

Mega Nutz
19-05-2011, 19:53
Nid gargoyle torso, daemon horrors arms, green stuff flames?

Horus Aximand
19-05-2011, 20:08
I reckon it would depend how big you want them to be. Lizardmen skinks with their crests trimmed off and added flames could work quite well and not be too overpowering.

Proiteus
20-05-2011, 21:41
JUST THE FIRST OF MANY!
Well this has to be my best painted model ever and heís only the first of 20 to 30 more just like him! Which is good as he took a week to paint. I used painting tutorials from 2 White Dwarfs to help me paint the model to the best of my ability; the Space Hulk captain tutorial for the armour and jewels and the high elf princeís for the gold, robes and sword. The hardest and most frustrating part was the symbols, especially the thousand sons logo but with a few snarls and curses later I was happy with it thou I will paint the scarab a little smaller next time.


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/140/8/3/pre_heresy_thousand_son_no_1_by_proiteus-d3gsqok.jpg

I did try to paint an engraving into the bracelet but it didnít come out like I had hoped. Iím very pleased thou with how the robes came out.

Because Iím looking to make an army of artificer armoured warriors (counts as terminators) I needed to include a personal teleporter for the deep strike ability and although the thousand sons can hurl objects, lightning and fire they always carry a holster bolt pistol or bolter, itís a small detail I going to add to all of the warriors.

As for the base, due to his pose I couldnít place him on a flat 40mm base without him being dwarfed by it, so I created a raised platform for him using a resin 40mm and greenstuff.

Now Iím even more psyched to get started on the next model and try make it better looking than this one!

TheConverter15
20-05-2011, 21:50
Wow thats pretty cool! May have too aquire some new tomb kings and MKIII soon! Very inspiring! Subscribed :D

Proiteus
21-05-2011, 19:36
HEAVY HITTERS?
I finally played a game against some dreadknights, thanks to their Teleporters they tore my mech guard to shreds. This made me realise that I need at least 2 as a single one would be brought down by focus fire, so Iíve been thinking of ideas to represent Dreadknights in my pre-heresy thousand sons.

I could go with the robots of the Pyrae like one featured in the Thousand Sons army that won best army at Throne Of Skulls (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/photopost/data/575/DSC02291.JPG). Or I could go extreme and use the torso from the war sphinx and create a huge warp entity with a thousand son warrior modelled on the base controlling it (or perhaps not), this would make the army more post heresy than pre-heresy as itĎs something theyĎd likely use after they separation from the Imperium. Iíd most likely model it with a ghost/genie like tail like the blue spirit Iíve shown in previous posts.


http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091026182350/capcomdatabase/images/1/16/NeroDevilTrigger.png

What do you think? Also any suggestions on how I can convert the thunder hammer to match the Egyptian like theme, so far I can only think of using the lion heads off the chaos tank sprue?

Petay1985
21-05-2011, 19:40
the finished marine is looking splendid fella, a very nice representation of Prospero's finest. looking forward to seeing a squad painted to this standard.

the damned artificer
21-05-2011, 20:46
Looking superb, and it will look excellent on the table once you're done ! :D
You could do the dread knights as pre heresy dreadnoughts, as to my understanding they were quite big compared to the post heresy dreads :)

I just remembered something, have you thought about using the the new necrosphinx for anything in your army ?? I have a little plan for some 1k sons related goodies that is based on one of those bad boys :P

Proiteus
21-05-2011, 20:54
I just remembered something, have you thought about using the the new necrosphinx for anything in your army ?? I have a little plan for some 1k sons related goodies that is based on one of those bad boys :P
Like I said...


Or I could go extreme and use the upper body from the war sphinx and create a huge warp entity with a thousand son warrior modelled on the base controlling it.

the damned artificer
21-05-2011, 21:09
Like I said...

Wauw, I guess I have to slow down when reading :p hehe

Well, then I'm voting for the necrosphinx idea :D

Pekel
22-05-2011, 04:28
Definitely try something with the Necrosphinx! Sounds like a fantastic idea, painted in glowy blue with a Marine standing in an appropriate 'summoning' pose.

kickboxerdog
26-05-2011, 10:49
hey ive started a pre heresy thousand sons army , currently waiting on all the bits to arrive, i have how ever converted a squad seargent ( im using the GK rules so he gonna be leading my purifier squad)
what you think

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sorry if the pic quality not to good

daismith906
26-05-2011, 11:03
Amazing, simply amazing work

Welld done

kickboxerdog
27-05-2011, 09:39
Great work so far! As for the tutelaries: lizardmen or kroxigors (Might be too big). Or Ork Torsos w/Lizardman heads.


hey im using wood elf dryads to convert my tutelaries , i done it on 1 model so far, i posted a pic a few posts up :evilgrin:

BeatTheBeat
27-05-2011, 19:02
Awesome painting. You've really upped your painting a notch with this log! Good to know that the Thousand Sons are in good hands :)

Cheers,
BTB

andyg2006
28-05-2011, 00:58
Also any suggestions on how I can convert the thunder hammer to match the Egyptian like theme, so far I can only think of using the lion heads off the chaos tank sprue?

I guess, strictly speaking, the Egyptians didn't really use 'hammers' as such; the ones we're familiar with now are the ones more associated with medieval instruments like mattocks and warhammers etc.
They used stone-headed clubs, as well as disk-(and pear-)shaped maces, but if you're wanting a bludgeoning-type weapon (even if it's not used as such), I think the main Egyptian weapon that comes to mind for me is a 3-headed threshing-type flail, e.g. the Pharaoh's crozius-and-flail: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/crooksandflails.htm

Alternatively, maybe something like a WFB Tomb Kings triple-headed chained flail-of-skulls? (e.g. could use animal skulls like the TK Ushabti have, such as cold one/lizardmen heads, painted up in bone colours)?

Excellent work so far on this!

Proiteus
03-07-2011, 16:04
STILL HERE
Just wanted you to know guys that this project is still going strong, Iíll soon have another 3 warriors done and after that Iíll complete the first squad with an incinerator sorcerer. Just need to find some dyrad heads for the tutelary which are proving hard to find.

However given how much hard work is involved with every model, especially the Teleporter packs and robes. I want to make sure that I won't recieve to much negative feedback to the artificer armour Ďcounts así conversion theme, so Iíll be starting a poll on the forum to ask people how they would react to an army of artificer armoured marines with a photo of the completed squad. I just donít want spend a week on each marine to be called lazy and be accused of converting for advantage purposes.

Also Iíve seen the new forgeworld pre-heresy dreadnought and I love it and considered using it as a Dreadknight stand in should my Necrosphinx conversion not work as I not ready to spend that amount of money of 3 dreadnoughts!

Well I better get back to work on Scarab Occult Warriors 2, 3 and 4. Till then here a photo of my dreadknight concept, I'm thinking of adding a huge cloak on to it to give it more size?


http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2011/7/3/f232ab6918c0355afb2673e41d9fd6ed_10465.jpg__thumb

Barbarossa
03-07-2011, 19:08
If the conversion is cool, I don't care if it might give you an advantage! But then again, I'm not a tournament person.

Power Hungry Monkey
04-07-2011, 03:58
Hey man, very nice looking models. Always been a fan of the Thousand Sons.

I strated on a similar project a few years ago but never got very far. I did get a Mugnus conversion completed though. Your idea to use Tyrus is exactly what I did. Its a lot of work but the scale is right without looking too giant.

I used Tyrus's body, Ogre Maneater arms (the bare ones from the Cathay one), hair from the Avatar, the head from Artemis (inquistor range) and the sword from a bone giant. Yes, its was very expensive. Thankfully I had a fair bit of the stuff already. I havn't got any pics to show you unfortunatly but with those kinda bits I got it to look a lot like the artwork you've got at the start of the thread.

Will be following this one.

PHM

Proiteus
07-07-2011, 21:54
PLAN B: FORBIDDEN FRUIT?
Iíve started work on the 2nd modelís base so with luck my Justicar model will be uploaded tomorrow. But the more effort I put into these models the more Iím concerned that the idea of saying their in artificer armour and are terminators will not work for the majority of players, I know IĎm already taking chances with none of the models having any ranged weapons modelled on them as theyíre shooting attacks are magic bolts.

Because of this I have come up with an alternative Grey Knight Terminators conversion that actually uses GK Terminator bits, however the huge downside is that it uses a large number of non-gw bitsÖ
Chapterhouse Studioís Thousand Son Terminator pads, (http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Pre_Heresy_Scara_4ccedb472053d.jpg)
Micro Artís Steampunk robed legs that happen to be terminator sized, (http://www.ring-tail.com/shop/2157.jpg)
& Scibor Miniatureís Egyptian Head Crests and small shields. (http://www.sciborminiatures.com/i/conversion_parts/big/egiptian_parts01.jpg)
This could cause issues at Throne Of Skulls which I attend twice every year, plus other GW based tournaments. I guess I could get away with saying I green stuffed the robes. I guess if I go with the terminators I could always use forge world conversions as purifiers or interceptors.

Anyway Iím eager to hear your thoughts about this?


http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/82/Custodes_terminators.jpg

Hadriel Caine
07-07-2011, 23:11
Do it!

(btw you got a PM reply :) )

anselminus
08-07-2011, 09:06
nice result good job

Proiteus
08-07-2011, 18:52
THE SCARAB OCCULT VETERAN
Well thatís number two down, because Iím modelling the warrior armed with the specialist weapon as the sorcerer leading the squad I thought Iíd make the Justicar look a bit different to the rest of the squad, mainly because of wound allocation.


http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/189/3/d/pre_heresy_thousand_son_vet_by_proiteus-d3le7f1.jpg

I thought Iíd try a more dramatic pose for this one and try and use the majority of the base, so I made him look like heíd just swung his halberd in a wide arc while charging forward. Like the last one he has both grenades and a bolt pistol modelled on him, in case his powers fail.

Now to get started on numbers 3 &4, however I'm still debating the alternative terminator conversion?

Victim
08-07-2011, 19:41
I like what your doing. It's very original. I have to say, I think that it's a shame that the Thousand sons became heretic's because as standard marines I think that they are much more attractive then their heretic incarnations.
I think your idea for the terminators is good, but I agree with what you said your going to have to use non GW parts, however, that could cost in the long run. Have you considered doing your own in gs and then casting them in resin. It would mean that you'd get a supply of parts when you need them and it would reduce the cost significantly.

Proiteus
12-07-2011, 18:59
GAMES WORKSHOP'S THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER?
I decided I'd go with the Terminator conversions cause it would give me more flexablity and it would be easier for my opponents visually. But because half the tournaments I attend our host by GW at Warhammer World I thought it best to run it by them first. I enquired about using just the robes for a deathwing army and sent them a picture of the robbed terminator and this is what they said...


Iím afraid you wonít be allowed to use those miniatures in one of our events. Essentially, if Games Workshop makes a model for something, we expect you guys to use it. Games Workshop makes Deathwing Terminators, so we would need you to use those.

This has made the situation even more annoying as this could also mean I can't use my artificer armour as well! I want to do an impressive looking Thousand Sons army but without breaking the bank and I don't want to ditch a 3rd project!

I honestly don't know what to do now cause I don't fancy building an army I can only use at my gaming club and tournaments at Maelstrom. Suggestions?

El_Wacko01
12-07-2011, 21:40
It would be shame to loose such an army! Can't you bend plasticard to fit as shoulder plating? BTW where did you get all of those Eygptian blades from?

Blademaster
13-07-2011, 17:27
First, awesome job, keep going, don't let the GW response slow you down.

Suggestions (DISCLAIMER: I've never tried these, so can't claim they actually work. Just food for thought):

For robes, use Black Templar torsos atop terminator legs. Either use straight as tabards, or flesh out with green stuff into a robe (after removing BT icons, of course)!

For shoulder pads, THIN plastic rod with hollow center, cut in half. Can stack for multiple layers. Alternatively, thin plasticard, cut to design. Greenstuff icons.

For heads, shave the "fins" off Khorne Bezerker helmets, attach to top of terminator torso, connect plasticard in the middle. Use greenstuff to add some 1K Sons symbols.

OR

IIRC, GW makes 1K Sons space marine set. Buy the set for the heads or, perhaps someone has some heads they are willing to trade/sell at a reasonable price. Use or modify them accordingly.

Finally, check this guy's blog out on how he did his 1k Sons termies: http://eternal-legion.blogspot.com/search/label/Terminator?updated-max=2010-06-08T17%3A33%3A00-04%3A00&max-results=20

Good luck!

Proiteus
16-07-2011, 20:37
DREADKNIGHTS AS PRE-HERESY DREADNOUGHTS?
Iíve been considering alternative Dreadknight conversions to the large warp entity cause lets face it, it might look cool but there is nothing in the fluff that supports it.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2011/7/3/f232ab6918c0355afb2673e41d9fd6ed_10465.jpg__thumb

So I was considering converting Dreadknights into pre-heresy dreads when forgeworld brought out this delicious kit!


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/contemptor11.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/jaxomofpern/Ikki/thousand_sons_dreadnaught_by_karich.jpg

Itís certainly big enough for the job and itís supported fluffwise as those dreadnoughts were much stronger and more powerful than the current ones, add a sword and a incinerator weapon and I have a potential Dreadknight stand in? Only problem is I need to equip my dreadknights with personal Teleporters for my army to have some mobility and Iím pretty sure pre-heresy dreads didnít have that ability.

Ironpit
16-07-2011, 22:02
why should they not have that tech, they had more tech than post heresy, the imperium lost a lot of tech in the 10k years after the heresy

rrchristensen
17-07-2011, 06:57
Only problem is I need to equip my dreadknights with personal Teleporters for my army to have some mobility and Iím pretty sure pre-heresy dreads didnít have that ability.

"It's magic! Ta-daaa!"

Come on, Thousand Sons? A legion of warrior-wizards without peer? The solution is obvious. Some fleet-based warlock just teleports your dreadnought/knight from A to B. Problem solved.

Lamby
17-07-2011, 08:43
Proiteus, this log (like all your others) is just awesome!

On your non-GW bitz issue, what if instead of the Chapterhouse shoulder pads you use Dreadnought shin pads as pre-Heresy Terminator pads, and GS detail on them?
(Or do they mean you can't use even GW bitz converted models in their tourney?)

For robes, cloaks etc, see this blog http://volomir.blogspot.com/2010/01/tribute-to-fallen-step-by-step_08.html where the incredible Volomir uses copper sheeting to form cloth!

Great work on the Justicar btw - dynamic posing!

Shadow Fall
17-07-2011, 19:51
hmm... Dread teleporting... ever seen the film Jumper? that was my idea of what happens when a Phyker (sp?) teleports. You'll notice that in the film the jumper guy jumps an apartment into a lake and then into a library...

Im pretty sure the half dead guy in the dreadnought can... 'Jump' the dread when he teleports... :)

SF

Dasqueek-Master Assassin
18-07-2011, 16:49
Another awesome Proteius army!
I was looking on scibor last night and thinking how cool a thousand sons army would be....

Proiteus
18-07-2011, 19:34
PICKING UP THE PACE!
Another Thousand Son Warrior off the line, and another just round the corner. Sadly thou I'm not going to use that staff as these guys are likely to be armed with force swords in the interceptor role in the actual army.


http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/199/5/c/ts_pic_by_proiteus-d373o8n.jpg

Also got some better pictures of the 2nd warrior as my secondary photography lights cables had been chewed through by my housemate's rabbit and I finally go round to getting some replacements today.


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/199/4/9/pre_heresy_thousand_son_vet_by_proiteus-d3le7f1.jpg

Because they're now going to be interceptors or basic GK, haven't decided I'll likely wait till I transfer them on to 25mm bases before doing the sorcerer. This is due to the my plans to add effects to his base to better represent the magical projectile acting as the psycannon. With luck I'll get the hammer armed warrior done before the terminator parts arrive cause I'm very keen to see if the terminator conversion can work?

Overlord Krycis
19-07-2011, 13:17
Dude, your guys are up on the Games Workshop Facebook page :)

Awesome work, as always, Proiteus.

horacus
19-07-2011, 15:56
Epic as always pal. Keep them comming.

Proiteus
19-07-2011, 19:45
Dude, your guys are up on the Games Workshop Facebook page :)

Personally I didn't expect them to do that, can't believe how many 'likes' and comments it's getting.

_dwarf_
19-07-2011, 20:35
Wow! Great work. I always love your logs and love to read them for inspiration and I can't wait to see what you come up with next!

I am a big fan of your armies and just wanted to ask what happened to the Tau commando strike team army that you were working on?? I was really looking forward to see that army finished or at least one suit :D

Keep up the good work!

Proiteus
19-07-2011, 20:39
I am a big fan of your armies and just wanted to ask what happened to the Tau commando strike team army that you were working on?? I was really looking forward to see that army finished or at least one suit :D

I predicted that while the tau commando suit looked awesome an army of them won't have as much impact or variety. Plus painting white armour is a pain and camo green made it hard to notice the differences between them in terms of equipment.

I've attached the built but unpainted commando suit for you to see...

_dwarf_
19-07-2011, 21:13
That commando suit looks ace! I hope that you will get back to that army sometime...maybe when a new Tau codex comes out?

In the meantime I can't wait to see next update of your pre-heresy thousand sons grey knight army :D

Proiteus
25-07-2011, 19:28
QUICK UPDATE
The grey knight terminator parts arrived today so I got a glimpse of the models that will make up my army. The top of the arms needed to be filed down to fit the chapterhouse studio shoulder pads but it's not a problem, Iím also thinking of using the power armour helm instead of the terminator version as it looks to angular for my liking.

Iíve also decided to not include the wrist mounted storm bolter as itís not fluff supported so Iíll be going with my magical bolts explanation however I model a few of them with hand held storm bolters.

Now all Iíve got to do is wait for the micro art robes to arrive and then I can assemble the model and upload it. & boy are these guys going to be big, the torso is nearly twice the width of a standard marine and the legs will give it more height.

Still working on the list, Iím considering starting off with a Draigowing with Magnus as Draigo and Ahriman as the librarian only needs around 20 models so I can play a few games with it while I work on the other parts of the army.

Hopefully the rest of the parts will arrive later this week, till then.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2011/7/25/5ff46b1a55b8f664f0c90d72c1ff7408_10465.jpg__thumb

TheGodOfNothing
26-07-2011, 17:52
Great work. I hear people always talking about wanting to do this but haven't actually seen it done. Keep it up. (Sidenote: That last pic has a super Khador feel to it....or is that just me?...)

OutOfContext
26-07-2011, 18:24
These guys are shaping up great! Love the guy with the snake staff. Keep it going!

Proiteus
26-07-2011, 18:57
THE GIANTS OF PROSPERO
Given on how my artificer armour idea wasn’t going to work I decided to focus on converting terminator armour, I had already come up with some ideas on how I could do it with the legs being the only problem then I saw the micro art studio legs and everything fitted into place.

I also used a pair of chapterhouse shoulder pads I had ordered during my night lords project out of curiosity and the Scibor Scarab Shield to replace the storm bolter plus a few other bits. I went with the power armoured helm because I prefer it to the angular terminator version.


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/207/7/0/ph_scarab_occult_terminator_up_by_proiteus-d41pstd.jpg

I was extremely pleased with the finished model not only does he look great but he’s massive to the point where he could be considered a true scale marine, just look at him next to the black reach marine. I’m now looking forward to seeing my squads towering over other models in close combat.
I was going to model tutelaries on the special weapon users but I think that would make the model a bit too high and therefore hard to transport, but I’ll wait till I’ve modelled the first Psycannon warrior to see if they needed.

Now I’ve just got to wait for the green stuff to dry and I can get started on the painting. :D

TheConverter15
26-07-2011, 22:13
Great stuff! Can't wait to see this painted up :)

Proiteus
27-07-2011, 18:56
Great stuff! Can't wait to see this painted up :)

You might be waiting a while as the white robe is proving difficult to paint smoothly, after 3 hours of work the front is okay but the back is a mess and I've yet to get to highlighting it with skull white.

If it proves too difficult, especially since I need to paint at least 20 I'll paint them purple instead. I'd prefer white but I don't want it to ruin the model.

horacus
27-07-2011, 19:27
You can do it pal, I know you can. Keep the great work.

aghast
27-07-2011, 19:33
This is almost too god!
I love every bit of it all!
Keep em comming!

Proiteus
01-08-2011, 21:12
DECISIONS, DECISIONS, DECISIONS?
Well as with all my projects I need to consider the armyís appearance and how the units will look next to each other and as always Iíll be grateful to hear your thoughts on each of themÖ

No 1; Terminators Or True Scale Marines?
As Perkustin pointed out the new Scarab Occult warrior looks nothing like a pre-heresy terminator, but to be honest Iím not much a fan of hunchbacked terminator armour. Also when I finished creating this guy my first thoughts were Ďdamn Iíve made a true scale marineí.

I had plan to include the FW Iron Armour conversions as interceptors to add some variety (& agility) to the army, the downside is theyíre only a bit bigger than the standard marine on the right so they would destroy all illusion of this being a true-scale marine army and could even look odd.


http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/207/7/0/ph_scarab_occult_terminator_up_by_proiteus-d41pstd.jpg

So should I have these terminators be true scale marines in artificer armour (like I had planned originally but these guys are big enough to do it). Or just say itís specially designed terminator armour for the thousand sonsí Scarab Occult and field interceptors and other power armoured units?

No 2; Ghosts Of Prospero?
When running a deep striking terminator force you need a psychic beacon on the board asap to get the +1 to reserve rolls, this means either a 55pt Inquisitor that hides in terrain or Mordrak.
Mordrak is cool but Iím having trouble deciding on what to represent the ghost knights with. Iíve considered a group of powerful tutelaries that have materialised to fight for their master, problem is this sounds a bit weird as tutelaries werenít at all like that in the book. Or go with the basic look and create some ghostly looking versions of the standard scarab occult warriors perhaps adding skull heads and lots of battle damage, it could even be like the Mordrak fluff only instead of Huron Blackheart they want revenge on the space wolves.

No 3; Back Up Weapons?
One last small thing; Even thou the thousand sons can yield powerful projectiles they always carry a their weapons which Iíve done for the first 3 with holstered bolt pistols, problem is how can I model holstered storm bolters? I guess if I go with the true scale marines I can use holstered ork sluggas for bolt pistols but I like to know if anyone has ideas for modelling the unused storm bolters?

As always I'll be grateful for any feedback on these issues.

Karak Norn Clansman
01-08-2011, 21:16
That Scarab Occult Terminator is awesome. As for issue no 1: Don't do truescale, FW Iron Armour Marines are too good to pass down.

Proiteus
03-08-2011, 19:48
Anymore feedback on these issues. Regarding the ghost knights I think I'll take Mordrak but only as an independent character for his first turn strike and +1 to reserve rolls. I'll might create two tularies/warp entities for the ghost knights he might summon when he takes a wound thou.

tcraigen
03-08-2011, 23:23
Beautiful work, I love the feel of the characters. Lots of personality in each one.

Mandragola
08-08-2011, 00:35
I'd use them as terminators. True scale marines are tricky to use in normal games of 40k. Or use the rules for terminators to represent your true scale marines. Same difference.

I don't think Mordrak is good and I don't think you should be deep striking all your guys in, from a tactical perspective. You don't need +1 to reserve rolls if you are already there on the board, which is where you should be. Then you can have a librarian as your HQ, which to be honest has to make most sense, right? A Mordrak list isn't on the board so you do all this work on your army and leave it in the box for half the game, for no tactical advantage!

I would probably include some power-armoured guys. More for variety than anything else really, so you don't go crazy doing the same conversion 30 times. Interceptors and purifiers could both represent different types of Tsons (the fire guys for purifiers and ravens for interceptors, maybe?) and this would let you make some different guys.

So you could have an army like:

Librarian (or grand master) ~170
10 Purifiers ~ 280
10 Interceptors 310 (2 psycannons, ammo, hammer)
10 Terminators 495 (2 psycannons, ammo, 3 hammers, flag, 6 halberds)
10 Terminators 495 (2 psycannons, ammo, 3 hammers, flag, 6 halberds)

Alternatively you could go with a draigo list. In a way, Paladins are a better representatoin of Tsons than normal terminators, because they have the holocaust power and are able to throw fire about the place, like proper sorcerors. Standard terminators have to use guns or hit stuff, which isn't as cool.

Din
09-08-2011, 11:28
Wow your thousand sons look great. I really like the idea.

Hadriel Caine
09-08-2011, 19:25
Paladins are a better representatoin of Tsons than normal terminators, because they have the holocaust power and are able to throw fire about the place, like proper sorcerors. Standard terminators have to use guns or hit stuff, which isn't as cool.

QFT. HECK YES! Really love the conversion as is and think a paladin army could be fun, also less white for you to paint!

Proiteus
12-08-2011, 12:44
ARM YOURSELVES!
Originally I had planned to focus this army purely on the magic, magical bolts for storm bolters, powerful spells for special weapons and huge spirits for Dreadknights. Iíve decided to drop this concept and return to basics as ironically enough Ahriman states in the book...

ďWe are Astartes first, psykers secondĒ

So with that in mind Iíve decided to make a few changesÖ

Special Weapons will be represented by Reaper Autocannons for Psycannons and Heavy Flamers for Incinerators, instead of powerful spells being cast with the aid of tutelaries. However I still plan to feature them in the army as each independent character will have personalised one, plus Iíll make some for objective markers or servo skulls.
1 or 2 warriors in each squad will be equipped with a storm bolter (hand held not wrist mounted).
Dreadknights are out of the question now, it feels more like Iím trying to come up with a way to field a powerful and competitive unit instead of trying to be accurate with the fluff so Iíll be fielding venerable dreads instead. I do look forward to picking the brains of the forgeworld team to see what other upgrades are in store for the new pre-heresy dread kit at Gamesday next month.

Also Iíve decided not to come empty handed this time and thought Iíd upload a picture of the painted upper body of the terminator Iíve been working on all week. I decided to vanish the scarabs instead of continue struggling to add reflection lines, however I feel I need to highlight them more before vanishing them like the one on the front plate which is a bit too dark.

What do you think?


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/88053.page

Also Iím slowly getting the hang of painting white robes, but Iím probably going to still have to repaint a few of them.

Hadriel Caine
12-08-2011, 14:16
I think your slight change of direction is a good idea. Cool as dreadknights are I think dreadnoughts will be more appropriate. The painting looks awesome on the first guy, can't wait to see the robes. It will be a great looking army if you keep this up.

Proiteus
12-08-2011, 18:50
can't wait to see the robes. It will be a great looking army if you keep this up.
That's what make the robes so damn hard I've got to meet the same standard as the body 20 times or it could potentially let the army down!

Meldaryste
13-08-2011, 05:29
Hey, I like your progress so far. I'm working on the same thing right now, as I finish up Blood Angels too, lol.

But anyway, you mentioned a dreadknight and then changed your mind, but in the 1k Sons novel, the Pyrae can also control robots and machines in the novel. Earlier they are servitors and at the end they even have a Pyrae controlling a titan. So a dreadknight wouldnt really be totally out of the question.

Also, my thought for interceptors, what I'm planning on using right now are disc riders. They have disc riders in the novel, just like daemon HQ disc riders. I'm planning on using them as interceptor as apposed to bikes.

Anyway, just some Fluff food for thought and when I finish up my blood angels tourney list painting, I might post some in progress shots of mine. Keep up the good work. Looking good so far.

Hal'jin
13-08-2011, 18:33
I have to admit I am blatantly stealing your ideas and making the army in a very similar fashion. :p I love your work and hope mine will look as good. Can't wait to see finished terminators although myself I'm pondering on wait a bit in case FW releases pre-Heresy ones (And I got a huge backlog to paint and not a lot of cash anyway..)

I still can't make up my mind should I use a Pyrae squad count as Purifiers or maybe a Purgation squad with Incenerators (Then again Purgators with Psycannons could make for great Pavoni, with their Astral Aim and all...). I do want to keep the model count to minimum just like you. I am going to use psychic powers for special weapons though.

tcraigen
15-08-2011, 17:47
I dig the way those shoulder pads look. Looking good hope to see them progress soon.

horacus
17-08-2011, 19:32
Looking nice. The Contemptor Patter Dreadnought could be a neat option.

Proiteus
29-08-2011, 21:39
PROJECT UPDATE!
Just a quick project update, just to let you know this project is still going. Iím finally getting the hang of painting white and how thin I need the paint to be so with luck Iíll have that first model up soon, but not till Iím happy with it thou.

Hereís a list of a few changes and concepts Iím considering at the moment as always Iím grateful for any feedback that is givenÖ

Tutelaries
Sadly Iíve decided to drop the concept of tutelaries representing special weapons for actual weapons so Reaper Autocannons as Psycannons and Heavy Flamers as Incinerators. However I still plan to use them as objective markers as their biggest use in the novel was allowing the thousands sons to scout the battlefield unnoticed.

Interceptor Squads
Iím looking to field some interceptors as I need some mobility in the army and it will allow me to field the iron armour conversion alongside my terminators.
Problem is theyíre best suited to ranged support so Iím trying to think how best to represent their Psybolt storm bolters and Psycannons since Iím no longer keen on the all of the marines using psychic bolts and spells. Some of my terminators will be armed with actual storm bolters but Iím not sure how to represent this on the power armoured warriors? So far my best idea is to arm them with the pre-heresy boltguns from FW and have theyíre swords holstered in scabbards.

Quick edit; I've just come across this cool looking bolt pistol variant which I think has the potential to be a great 'counts as' storm bolter, which is better than empty hands hurling magic bolts.


http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/6/14/234922_md-Lias%20Issodon%20Conversion.JPG

Hidden Ones
Iíve been reading some detailed fluff on the 40k wiki sight and the 1k sons scouts (a.k.a the hidden ones) were often fielded as espionage agents. Often using their psychic powers to brainwash the agent into being completely unaware of his mission. So I was thinking would it be great to have a hidden one as a callidus assassin so once the thousand sons sent the psychic signal the agent would pounce.
I think it would be cool as I could model a variety of agents for different races (with the exception of daemons, necrons and Tyranids) that had been captured and then altered mentally and psychically before being released. What do you think?

HQ Choices
Iíve got two commander conversions planned nicknamed Ďthe phoenix kingí a master of the pyrae and ílittle magnusí a master of the raptora (and Mordrak count as) still trying to think of a good way to convert Cortex for when I want to field Prospero thall wizard squads?

Deadline
The set deadline I aim to have this army ready for is the Caledonian Uprising tournament at ĎMaelstromí in January next year.

ONE MORE THING...
I was thinking of getting the heavy bolter arms with my pre-heresy dread to convert them into autocannons, but after seeing this image just now and the size of the ammo drums I'm thinking it maybe better to use the slimmer assault cannon arm as a base for converting the autocannon weapons? Then again I'm sure I could replace them, so which arm do you think would look better; The heavy bolter with small ammo drums and autocannon barrels (shortened) or the assault cannon arms with the barrel replaced with twin full length autocannon barrels?


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/FW/contemptorhb.jpghttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/FW/contempkassault2.jpg

Catferret
29-08-2011, 21:52
I was going to use the heavy bolter arm to convert an autocannon arm. I think it should work out well enough looking at pictures. I probably wouldn't have the barrels as long as usual autocannons.

I have heard rumours of a proper twin autocannon arm being released at some point in the future. Depends how long you fancy waiting I guess.

Student
29-08-2011, 21:58
I think the heavy bolters would be better to convert autocannons from.

Mandragola
29-08-2011, 22:06
Arguably, given that you are using different weapons entirely, you could just not buy either set. You could stick the autocannon from the defense line directly onto the body, or make a simple shoulder up yourself. Save yourself £15.

Proiteus
29-08-2011, 22:32
I have heard rumours of a proper twin autocannon arm being released at some point in the future. Depends how long you fancy waiting I guess.
Well hopefully I'll get to question some of the forgeworld team at Gamesday and find out, any thoughts on what to do about the interceptor's weapons?

Catferret
29-08-2011, 23:05
Regarding the interceptors: Those pistols are kinda cool. Another option might be to give them under-barrel grenade launchers or something?

zomboss
30-08-2011, 00:03
I really like the interceptor guns! I think they could definitely be used as a count-as storm bolter. However i dont recognise them, what kit are they from?

isotope99
30-08-2011, 00:34
Good to see this army coming along, there's some good stuff here. I remember discussing this army with you.

Look forward to seeing it finished, I like the terminator in particular.

You going to ToS in October?

My army salutes you :cool:

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/photopost/data/575/kson_term5.jpg

Proiteus
30-08-2011, 08:18
I really like the interceptor guns! I think they could definitely be used as a count-as storm bolter. However i dont recognise them, what kit are they from?

Itís converted from a scout pistol, storm bolter ammo clip however much to my disappointment the most important part; the double barrel is made from the space marine scout binoculars from the land speeder storm which are proving hard to find on the internet. Which is annoying as I would only need 5.


Good to see this army coming along, there's some good stuff here. I remember discussing this army with you.

You going to ToS in October?

Thanks, nice to see you on Warseer. Sadly no as I attend several tournaments a year and Iíve decided to attend only one each seasonÖ

Autumn - 1st Company Vetsí Open War @ Maelstrom: Mansfield
Winter - Scottish 40k Teamís Caledonian Uprising @ Maelstrom: Mansfield
Spring - 1st Company Vetsí Open War @ Maelstrom: Mansfield
Summer - GWís Throne Of Skulls @ Warhammer World

However I wonít be able to take this army to Throne Of Skulls as Iíll be banned from using it due to non gw bits in the terminator conversions as I emailed it to GW and asked if Iíd be able to use this conversion (providing I donít breach about the modelís non-gw parts) and they saidÖ


Iím afraid you wonít be allowed to use those miniatures in one of our events. Essentially, if Games Workshop makes a model for something, we expect you guys to use it. Games Workshop makes Grey Knight Terminators, so we would need you to use those.

Shame really as I would have loved to take them to throne of skulls and maybe even team up with you for the doubles. But itís this growing attitude towards the hobby thatís putting me off building anymore armies.

Catferret
30-08-2011, 10:04
Regarding the binoculars, here's a couple (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Speeder-Storm-Crew-C-/380340780653?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item588e13be6d) if you don't mind buying the rest of the scout to go with him.

I'll have a look for one too as I converted a Storm into a buggy thing and have lotsa bits left over.

Proiteus
31-08-2011, 18:38
Are you still going to include Magnus the Red in your army? I was converting one myself for a while in Terminator scale, and something similar would make a good Draigo or Mordrak

Little Magnus
I considered him at first but let's face it no character in the 40k could represent Magnus as we are talking about a character that can kill titans!

Instead I plan to field something different: In ‘Horus Rising’ one of the captains is the splitting image of the Primarch and is nicknamed ‘little Horus’ and is rarely called by his real name. So I plan to make a little Magnus, using a space wolf head, and giving him a suit of armour with horns. I’m also thinking of making his weapon exchangeable between a curved sword and a crystal hammer (for when I want to use Mordrak)


http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/f/f2/Magnus_The_Red_attacking_Space_Wolves.jpg

Omen Pattern Bolters
As I mentioned in my previous post I was struggling to think of a way to represent storm bolters on my interceptors without using actual storm bolters or ‘invisible magical bolts’. Luckily I came across the ‘Omen pattern boltgun’ converted by Wolfs16 (http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-viewimage.jsp?i=234922&m=2&w=800) but while he used scout pistols I plan to use the forge world Umbra Ferrox bolter and replace the barrel.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2011/8/31/c98ab7451591e3d9be8ef9b8d84fe4fd_10465.jpg__thumb

Problem is the scout binoculars from the land speeder storm kit which is the critical part is proving hard to find, so far I’ve only found it on eBay but need to buy the scout passenger with it.

TheConverter15
01-09-2011, 00:26
Great idea for a Magnus stand in. Kinda ironic that you are using a space wolf head though :p

the damned artificer
01-09-2011, 08:17
Do you have a pic of the scout binoculars ?? I might have one lying around :)

Proiteus
11-09-2011, 19:12
PROGRESS!
The first squad is nearing completion just need the small shields to arrive which should be tomorrow, after which Iíll upload the 4 newest warriors. Iíll also be placing a order to forgeworld as well for the dreads, iron armour and boltguns to collect at Gamesday.
Iíve also finally settled on a list that consists ofÖ

A Grand Master,
20 Terminators,
10 Interceptors,
& 2 Dreads

This all needs to be completed in time for the Caledonian Uprising tournament in the 3rd week of January, itís a bit of a risky deadline but if I should fail to meet the 20 terminator mark Iíll settle for 15 with an ĎHidden Oneí assassin & upgrade to venerable dreads.
So hopefully production will pick up by the end of the month, till then behold my first reaper Autocannon warrior!


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/91624.page

Also special thanks to everyone who helped donate scout bitz for the omen class bolters.

Student
11-09-2011, 19:44
This looks great. I really enjoyed the Thousands Sons book and I can see why you wanted to make this army.

Proiteus
14-09-2011, 20:28
AN ARMY OF GIANTS!!!
Today the final parts arrived for my Scarab Occult terminators so I glued & bluetaced the rest of the squad together.


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/257/b/6/b69bc7f07fadacf700a62d868d6a06bb-d49u85v.jpg

I decided early on to scrap the invisible magic bolts for actual weapons so Iíve brought several of the SM commanderís storm bolter which was the easiest to convert. However rather than trying to remove the awkward mould line on the top detail I got rid of it and was going to replace it with a bolter sight from the tactical box set, but instead I made my own sights using the parts of the interceptor teleporter packs instead.
The Justicar is a simple variant using a thousand son helmet, I was going to add a banner but you would hardly see it behind the large head crest.
My favourite thou is the hammer, I love seeing thunder hammers in Dawn Of War and Space Marine as you really feel the impacts. So I decided to copy the animation when the force commander raises it in the air then brings it down on an enemy from DOW.
Finally thereís the reaper Autocannon which will represent my Psycannons, I got rid of the skull and added a eagles wing to the side to make it less chaos themed, I also swapped a halberd to the left hand.

Iím looking forward to seeing one of my squads charge for the first time as they completely dwarf standard models, just look at their size compared to the black reach marine. The dreadnoughts will be quite big as well so this will be an army of giants!

Mega Nutz
14-09-2011, 21:18
Fantastic kitbash conversions!

horacus
23-09-2011, 03:23
Great work :D

Proiteus
02-10-2011, 19:07
LITTLE MAGNUS?
The project goes well, sadly because I'm spending a week painting each pair of models and the white robes are taking a lot of time to master it maybe a while before you see a full squad painted.

But if I keep up this pace the army will be complete in time for the tournament in January. Meanwhile I've been taking breaks to do a bit of conversion work for other units, one of which is my alternative commander 'little Magnus'.

I think it's daft to try and represent a Primarch stat wise, Magnus would be able to unleash firepower similar to a titan. So I decided to create a captain nicknamed 'little Magnus' due to his resemblance to the Primarch. I had hoped to convert him from the grey knights like my first commander but while messing around with the bitz yesterday I discovered the arms, shoulder pads and head looked out of proportion so I decided to look elsewhere and found this model.

True I wonít be able to use it in GW stores but I think heíd make a great Draigo counts as with storm shield in one hand?


http://www.sciborminiatures.com/i/2011/big/egiptian_lord_1_04.jpg

Dasqueek-Master Assassin
02-10-2011, 22:26
I've had issues with the quality if the detail work in my scibor models

R3DM0H4WK
02-10-2011, 22:54
There is a loophole to using it GW stores, it has to mainly be composed of GW parts, so you take the model, you said you wanted a storm shield on it, ok so put one on it, make the base from GW stuff, as long as people can see its mainly GW stuff they have no leg to stand on as the company encourages conversions.

Cal585
03-10-2011, 02:37
They're looking good. One question though, will 'Little Magnus' have a single eye like his patriach?

Proiteus
03-10-2011, 19:50
Well I was thinking he could have a scar going down his left eye, as it's mentioned that thousand sons often showed their loyality for their primarch in having a scar going down their right eye to match his appearance. Like in the picture below.

But then again if you look closer I don't think the model has a right eye, strange that? ;)

Alsharoth
04-10-2011, 06:34
Nice looking army !

According to "A Thousand Sons" the scar only started after the council of nikea.

Cant wait to see more.

Student
04-10-2011, 22:40
That model will make a great little Magnus. It is also just a great looking miniature and your right it does seem to lack an eye. Your Scarab Occult also look great.

Overlord Krycis
04-10-2011, 22:52
AN ARMY OF GIANTS!!!


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/257/b/6/b69bc7f07fadacf700a62d868d6a06bb-d49u85v.jpg


I feel so sorry for that poor Tactical Marine...looks like he's about to get his head caved in by a Thunder Hammer.

The army is looking amazing Proiteus. Keep up the good work.

Deamon-forge
06-10-2011, 00:25
woow really good work

Sicarius the 2nd
06-10-2011, 02:23
Ive been waiting for someone to do a thread with this theme, fantastic minis so far, when do we get an army shot?
Andy

Arael82
06-10-2011, 13:37
I like your project and the termi,the only little critique i can move is that i think the helm is still too much greyknightish .
I'm converting myself a pre heresy TS army,i have finished 3 termies and nearly done a conversion for Hator Maath,my qg,i will post them today :) (i must still take photo of hator but i alredy have some for the termies)

Proiteus
08-10-2011, 13:09
TUTELARIES OBJECTIVE MARKER IDEAS
The tutelaries were a main part of the pre-heresy thousand sons and were often referred to in the Horus Heresy book as every powerful sorcerer had one, they were warp entities that allowed the thousand sons to scout areas and enhance their powers.
I had plan to use them to fill the 40mm bases when I was planning to use artificer armoured count as terminators at the start of the project, however I’m sure you will agree my terminators don’t require anything to fill their bases. :D

Anyway I now plan to use them as objective markers with one for each cult, each on a 25mm base as I discovered with the grots 40mm scenic bases are hard to transport. The form of a tutelary depends on the master so here are my ideas so far note they all be painted a ethereal and ghostly blue.

Raptora: Telekinetic
I hoping to convert a feral orc from fantasy with two large gauntlets and a visor from the dark eldar war engine. Hopefully it will portray the strength that I’m after.


http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101208134514/chaoslegion/images/thumb/0/07/Hatred_Power_Legion.jpg/300px-Hatred_Power_Legion.jpg

Pyrae: Pyrokinetic
2 ideas for this one. First was to convert a vampire counts’ ghoul into a small fire sprit painting the hairs on it’s back and arms as glowing yellow flames and modelling it with a ghost like tail. 2nd was to use the small Dragon from the Dreadfleet boxed set and have some fire modelled on the base. Which one do you think I should go with?


http://www.tcgplayer.com/games/303/minis/51.jpg

Pavoni: Biochemical Manipulation
My first idea was to model a floating snake of some sorts as it‘s seemed suitable, sadly the best idea involved using the tomb king stalkers and replacing their arms with the wings from the blood angel sanguinary guard. A great idea but far too big. So can anyone else suggest a different model or method.
An alternative idea is to model the sprit healer from world of warcraft using either deamonette or wood elf parts.


http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/8/8b/Spirit_Healer_TCG.jpg

Corvidae: Precognition & Atheneans: Telepaths
I’ve had several ideas that are suitable for both of these cults…

My first choice for a tutelary was the new plastic wraith but with bare hands wreathing fate and whispering the paths of the future to it’s master, or alternative reading the mind of an enemy or controlling them like some dark puppet master.
A single Razorwing model; For Corvidae; flying the depths of the warp in search of the future also it is the cult’s symbol. For Atheneans; flying over the battlefield scanning the minds of the enemy and delivering long distance psychic messages.
So which cult do you think these tutelaries should belong to and represent?


http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1670037a_99060112068_DERazorwingFlock_445x319.jpg http://knightfallgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Vampire-Counts-Cairn-Wraith.jpg

Also I had though of creating some sort of floating eye but that I couldn’t figure out how to make that work.

Anyway I’d be grateful for any feedback or suggestions relating to my tutelaries objective markers?

andyg2006
08-10-2011, 21:51
This is a brilliant log - many thanks for sharing your ideas and inspirations.

Just a couple of quick suggestions for the tutelaries:

In case you didn't want to go with an all-blue colour scheme, I've personally always liked the scheme for the LOTR King of the dead (washed out greens and turquoise with what looks like a purple or red wash in the recesses).

I've no experience with non-GW models, but how about:

Corvidae:
If you can find (or kitbasj/build) one, how about a female model with a finger to her lips (implying secrets to be divulged)?

Pavoni:
Maybe the Wood Elf Mage with the robes swirling around it and then (whichever size works) a pair of either Eldar Swooping Hawk wings or -if you can get them- the wings from a Necromunda Yeld Spyrer (these latter ones are more like metal blades)?

Proiteus
09-10-2011, 20:43
THE SEARCH FOR A HOLY SWORD OF FIRE!
Given how many people were kind enough to send me their scout bits in order for me to create my omen bolters for my interceptors, thanks again guys. I thought I might as well try and ask if anyone knows someone with a spare plastic flame sword from the balrog kit?

I plan to have my Pyrae captain wielding it as it's a fitting weapon for a giant terminator, however I've got the heavy metal one which will make the model unbalanced so I thought I'd ask if anyone could help me find a plastic one which is lighter and easier to model?


http://www.council-of-elrond.com/castdb/balrog/balrog2.jpg

Nicho
09-10-2011, 21:57
Might have one lying around ill have a look

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Nicho
12-10-2011, 10:03
Nope sorry the balrog i have has a whip and open hand sorry :-[

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Proiteus
14-10-2011, 17:11
2nd SQUAD ASSEMBLED (MOSTLY)
Well Iíve just completed the assembly of the 2nd squad. The 2 handed halberd wonít hold together with blue tac for the photo and the Iím desperately searching for dark angel helmet wings to convert the remaining reaper Autocannon to be like the first one. So here the other warriors from that squad, remember Iíll be adding grenades, pouches and other bits round the belts when they are finished.


http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/287/d/5/scarab_occult_terminators_up_2_by_proiteus-d4csnio.jpg

So far Iím happy with the warriors with the hammer and sword, but while it seemed like a good idea at the time Iím not sure if the squad leader reading the tome works as he looks a littleÖ idle? Perhaps having him holding his staff up will make it look a bit better?

Also anyone got 3 sets of Dark Angel helmet wings to spare cause can't find any online?

superdupermatt
15-10-2011, 10:21
Nah keep the sergeants pose, it's wonderfully nonchalant and creates a lovely change in a unit :)

Deamon-forge
15-10-2011, 19:27
really nice i think iv got a metal balrog sword. but thats if you want the metal ver.

were are you getting the small scarab mini from which is on their chest from?

Proiteus
29-10-2011, 21:02
ARMY OF GIANTS; A WARRIOR OF IRON
Well finally got the chance to trade my Contemptor Dreads in for much nicer Relic versions and after a bit of work today it was completed.


http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/302/2/6/thousand_son_dread_up_by_proiteus-d4ectcl.jpg

Aside the basic bits such as putting a scarab over the Aquila and a nice head crest on the helmet I converted the heavy bolters to Autocannons. I shorted down the IG Heavy weapon team Autocannons because I felt they would have looked odd if I had kept them at their original length.
Another edition was 2 strong magnets to make the arms exchangeable, now they werenít wide enough so I brought some plastic tubing the same width as the arms to put them in and thanks to the DreadĎs size this hasnĎt effected the model too much.

NEW WARGEAR OMEN CLASS BOLTGUNS
Thanks to Wolfs16's ĎOmen pattern boltgun conversion (http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-viewimage.jsp?i=234922&m=2&w=800) I finally have a weapon to equip my Interceptors to represent their storm bolters. The Omen Class Bolter's light weight allows marines to hold them one handed or two handed for improved accuracy whilst it's duel barrels and large clip allow for increased rate of fire.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2011/10/29/33d861b85618a8e9e77a03157cc461cb_10465.jpg__thumb

Now the only question is will I make the January 21st Deadline!!

Catferret
29-10-2011, 21:45
Great to see you gathered enough binoculars for the conversions.

I'm also happy to see the converted autocannons on the dread. I'd planned the same conversion and it looks like it works very nicely.

Keep up the good work!

Deamon-forge
29-10-2011, 22:03
nice work on the dread.

Student
30-10-2011, 08:52
I really like the Omen class bolter. Good work.

Proiteus
02-11-2011, 19:43
THOUGHTS ON MY OTHER PROJECT; THE ZANATORIANS - SCRAP OR REBUILD?
Lets take a quick break from the Thousand Sons cause I need feedback on a certain issue regarding one of my previous projects; The Zanatorian Renegade Machine Cult (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181034)
Amongst all my past converted army projects the Grot Rebellion (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222217) is the shining example of a converted army done right. However in complete contrast is the Zanatorians which had too many flaws first off the army was too complex with too many units and none of them looking at all like the units they represented, someone summed it up pretty well as a 'confusing mess'.
The 2nd problem is I've always got postive reactions from other players for the Darkmakers and grot rebelz (& likely the thousand sons when they're done) because they can recognize them and because they exist in 40k, the Zanatorians however are a faction I created from my own imagination and thus have next to no real links to the 40k universe. This adds even more confusion to players and people who see the army.

At first I was excited about the Necrons being released but with the codex a few days away I'm starting to question what I should to with the Machine cult? It was a cool concept and was fun to build but sadly the price is the army being a impractical gamewise and thus it receives a limited amount of postive reactions from opponents so I'm debating the following optionsÖ

Option 1 - Sell It
Try and sell it to a army collector like the one who brought the Ultrazombies for £320 and use the money to start another army that can be linked to the 40k universe. Maybe revive the Squats or Zoats! :lol:

Option 2 - A Small Army For Fun
Rebuild a small force and use it for small friendly games at my gaming club compared to taking it to a tournament (depending on the price of the rebuild).

Option 3 - Bring Them Back But Keep It Simple
The models were built to represent Necrons so it might work a lot better with the codex so I could bring back the army but keep it simple so limit myself to a small selection of units. However this still runs the risk of confusing my opponent.

I'd like to hear what your thoughts are on the subject, both as gamers and converters?


http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2009/364/0/a/0a2456229b6b66303d033393d95fd6fd.jpg

Deamon-forge
02-11-2011, 23:47
i would not sell. but maybe store away for a time when you have new ideas for the project or have for smaller games. but would not sell, as if you were me id regret it like i do selling my DKoK.

Proiteus
13-11-2011, 17:26
BROTHER KARGORI RETURNS TO THE FRAY!
Behold the glory of the Thousand Sons dreadnought! A full week and halfís work but without doubt worth it in the end. Iím still planning some additional work such as a name on the script perhaps name it after a dread from the Horus Heresy art book; Kargori.
Itís nice to see the scarab replacement and heavy bolter to Autocannons conversion worked out. I did consider adding water effects to the base but many people believed it would ruin it.


http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/317/5/0/ph_thousand_sons_dreadnought_by_proiteus-d4g1yol.jpg

Anyway this will certainly keep me motivated, now to continue work with the terminators and the white robes that I keep putting off but will need to be done in the end! :cries:

Student
13-11-2011, 17:49
It looks great. I really like the autocannon conversion.

DPA
13-11-2011, 17:56
Amazing.I love the Autocannon conversion and i might have to "borrow" it, with all the credit that its due of course... :)

Mage
13-11-2011, 18:16
Go with option 3, use it for fun. I'm sure an understanding and nice opponent won't complain about a well converted army.

isotope99
13-11-2011, 18:31
Option 3 - Bring Them Back But Keep It Simple
The models were built to represent Necrons so it might work a lot better with the codex so I could bring back the army but keep it simple so limit myself to a small selection of units. However this still runs the risk of confusing my opponent.

I'd like to hear what your thoughts are on the subject, both as gamers and converters?


http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2009/364/0/a/0a2456229b6b66303d033393d95fd6fd.jpg

I'm making little labels out of the edges of the GW modular movement tray so I can actually label the conversions on my death guard 'counts as necrons' army I've been working on. This way they can be turned to face my opponent and reduce confusion.

What's that unit with the wraith label next to it? :confused:

Deamon-forge
14-11-2011, 21:56
well hope it go to a good home.


now that dread is nice great work

Hadriel Caine
15-11-2011, 02:48
Simply lovely work on the dreadnought mate. I'm very very jealous.

RunepriestRidcully
15-11-2011, 08:14
This is really really nice, it's definitely inspiring for me (A shame there arn't more nice Thousand son logs, though yours). I am going to be converting some post rubric terminators using the scribor and micro art studios bits bits, though I am not sure what to use for the heads I like the grey knight ones, but don't want to buy the box just for them.. could the scribor custo, er roman legionary :P helmets work instead combined with the Egyptian bits somehow, or just bits order off ebay?

Funky01chef
20-11-2011, 10:03
Been following this for a while now and thought I'd comment.

That dread looks AWESOME! I love the red you're getting for the armour, it looks great, are you still following the guide from WD for BA's when space hulk came out for the dread as well as the marines?

Also, I love the cresant you've added to the dread's head, where's it from?

Looking forward to seeing the robes on your termi's :)

StratManKudzu
20-11-2011, 20:58
The crescent looks like a bit from the High Elf spearman or archer sprue.

Proiteus
20-11-2011, 21:06
The crescent looks like a bit from the High Elf spearman or archer sprue.

You are correct!

Funky01chef
21-11-2011, 01:06
You are correct!

Cool, thanks for that, time to hit the bitz sites then for my upcoming spire guard :)

tancrede
25-11-2011, 10:04
Buy them and keep on running this wonderful AdMech army, man !

Proiteus
29-11-2011, 18:20
SOME MORE RANGED SUPPORT!
Well Iíve taken a break from the terminators and decided to build some more interceptors, and was reminded of how frustrating it is to get those tabards made plus attach the energy cells on the backpack!
Along with some more omen class Boltguns Iíve also converted the Psycannon into an Autocannon. The sergeant is going to have the snake from the top of the staff from the first set of standard marines mounted on his rod so I can replace it with a thunder hammer to make the squad leader look like techmarine.


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/333/0/b/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_2___up_by_proiteus-d4hndx6.jpg

Now to get painting!

pyrosocial
01-12-2011, 02:31
Not normally one for pre-heresy marines but this is impressive. Nice work. I'll keep an eye on it

Proiteus
07-12-2011, 22:23
THIS ARMY COULD DO WITH SOME TITANS?
I've been thinking of alternative lists for my 1k sons, one of which is based around having 3 loaded land raiders! However buying 3 forgeworld pre-heresy land raiders is WAAAY TOO EXPENSIVE AT £255/$399!!!
So I'm thinking of perhaps converting a unit of 3 Knight titans with a conversion similar to this one I found...


http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/m1740436a_Blog300311_11_XL-510x366.jpg

Not only is this cheaper, but also gives me the ablity to take the Redeemer or Crusader variants as well by making the weapons exchangable. I'll likely use the teleporter homer excuse for their transport capacity like all the players who use this conversion.

Could be fun to convert. What do you think, would it fit in with a pre-heresy thousand sons force?

Deamon-forge
07-12-2011, 22:45
personally i dont like that sort of conversion. i like the small version what you a Blood Slaughter torso. and give it the size of a Ork mega dread.

but its your army so do what the hell you like. but i do think a well built and painted Knight would look ace in your army.

the damned artificer
07-12-2011, 23:59
I am all for the Knight on the picture, very similar to my own http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198681&page=21

I say go for it, could easily be a detachment of knights assigned to secure an area for the TS to deepstrike/ teleport to :P

Morden279
08-12-2011, 08:02
To be honest, I don't think Knights or similarly unique war engines are a fluffy choice for Thousand Sons; this would imply a close relationship with the Mechanicum which has never been cited or implied in the literature or artwork. Put simply, it's the old 'we're a magic rather than techie Legion' complex. By the same token, I'd never include Librarians in my PH Iron Warriors.

In any case, it depends on your commitment to the fluff and is therefore completely up to you. :)

Ithor
08-12-2011, 10:02
Personally I quite like the idea, but not that particular conversion. The GD winning knight based around a Dreadknight (here: http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/2011Chicago/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=4#1st)looks far superior IMO, plus has more of a refined look to it which would suit the TS aesthetic better.

Morden279
08-12-2011, 11:46
Personally I quite like the idea, but not that particular conversion. The GD winning knight based around a Dreadknight (here: http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/2011Chicago/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=4#1st)looks far superior IMO, plus has more of a refined look to it which would suit the TS aesthetic better.

This I'd go with if you're really keen on the alternate Land Raider idea, perhaps also combining elements from the Khemri Necrosphinx kit (the wings) for the ancient Egyptian look? I would, however, avoid doing straight-up Mechanicum-esque Knights; a semi-sorcerous arcane construct as suggested would be far more appropriate.

PS: I still love your converted Contemptor Autocannons - you've made them look about 1000 (Sons) times better than the new Forgeworld versions which are awful.

Proiteus
08-12-2011, 21:44
Since we some good converters have shown up on this thread I think it's a prefect time for some...

QUESTIONS?
I've been thinking about the 1k son allies for the army lists: First is the legio cybernetica regarding using the old space crusade dreads for my conqueror robots; I'm still unsure if I should use the whole model and have them all with the same pose like the pic below? Or use sentinel legs with dreadknight armoured plates to give them more posing options?


http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/6/20/38996_md-Chaos,%20Chaos%20Space%20Marines,%20Dreadnought,%2 0Rogue%20Trader,%20Space%20Crusade.JPG

Another concept I considering for 1k sons is some Prospero Spire Guard, however I'm unsure how to convert them at the moment, I imagined them as looking ceremonial like the Vostroyan Firstborn but less fur (& wooden rifles), Any suggestions?


http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111019011261/warhammer40k/images/thumb/3/39/Vostroyan_Firstborn_Command.jpg/410px-Vostroyan_Firstborn_Command.jpg

Deamon-forge
08-12-2011, 21:47
give the space crusade dreads the legs you said, and how about for weapons use the Contemptor weapons or like them in pattern.

Npf6
09-12-2011, 03:36
Do both! Legio and some spireguard would be cool. (obviously less fur less wooden guns)

Also they could look more egyptian. A simple google image search turned up this

http://s15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?showtopic=2392

Good luck

RunepriestRidcully
11-12-2011, 22:57
I'd use Vostroyans personally (I really like them, I f i ever did IG it would be with them) as when I read "A Thousand sons" I just pictured them as very similer for some reason, don't know why.
I am planning a unit of terminators for my Thousand sons (post heresy) and am going to attempt to copy your method/style of them, I have decided on using the micro art studio "Crusader" legs", a mix of the grey knight termi force weapons, the scribor's Egyptian parts and possibly even shields, and mosaic bases. The problem is I am thinking of using either the chaos or Grey knight termi boxes, as I am planning in big games to field a ten man squad, I could get both, yet the prices mean I'd at most be able to get one a month, with another month to get the cribor/microart bits unless I get lucky with the lottery or can get a job (Should hopefully be able to get one after Christmas, apparently the student union hires then) also depends on when my local gaming store cn get all the bits in, so which box would probably be best to get first? 2ND EDIT: Just checked the prices for the termi boxs, £28 from GW?!? even from online suppliers it's still 22.65, I'm only going to get one, but which? the chaos legs, chests and some of the shoulder pads and weapons are good, but the grey knights have the far better range of melee weapons, helmets and the psychic squad for the squad leader.

Proiteus
15-12-2011, 20:53
PROGRESS!
Only 3 more to go and the interceptors will be fully completed. I decided to make the thunder hammer into a staff like weapon as the original looked too brutish for a thousand son in power armour. The Omen class bolters are also coming out well.


http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/349/7/7/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_squad_by_proiteus-d4j5yk2.jpg

Iíve also been working on a group of bare heads to go on some of the thousand sons and Iím pleased with how theyíve come out. Especially since flesh has always been an obstacle for me but thanks to a lesson from a friend I was able to reach the quality I was after.


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/349/7/f/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_sergeant_by_proiteus-d4j5z75.jpg

Regarding the snake staff; it felt a waste to not use it after replacing it with a hammer so I instead mounted on the dark angel arm for the squad leader instead.

Now if I can only get 3 more terminators and the Hidden One agent that is my Vindicare assassin done by the end of the month Iíll be set to make my deadline. Still dreading painting the white robes as I had enough trouble painting the small ones on these guys but I am improving.

Catferret
15-12-2011, 20:57
They look aces! Great work as always.

Really liking the face on that Justicar. Nice skin on that.

You shouldn't worry about the white robes, the ones so far look grand.

Keep it up lad.

TheConverter15
15-12-2011, 21:06
Nice squad, great paintjob and the face of the justicar is fantastic :)

Student
15-12-2011, 21:35
They look great. I really like the justicar's snake staff weapon.

ExtremisDiabolus
15-12-2011, 22:20
very nice man :)

Breazer
16-12-2011, 08:34
these look great...such strong colors
just not sure what all the equipment does or is representing

Proiteus
16-12-2011, 19:48
just not sure what all the equipment does or is representing

They represent interceptors from the grey knight codex as they are all armed with nemesis force weapons. However to represent the storm bolters I used a converted variant with the 2nd barrel and bigger clip explaining it being able to fire two shots instead of one, the autocannon represent the squad's psycannon.

igneous
18-12-2011, 22:54
simply amazing:cries:
but at the same time cool:chrome: :chrome::skull::skull:

Proiteus
19-12-2011, 19:29
AN ALLIANCE OF PROSPERO
Before I begin work on my next batch of terminators I was thinking it was time to share some ideas I've recently had regarding the 1k Son's allies.
One of the best benefits of using the Grey Knight codex was being able to field the many allies and axillaries the 1k sons employed during the great crusade. Mainly the Prospero Spire Guard & Legio Cybernetica.

The Legio Cybernetica
These guys are easy, Use venerable dreadnoughts for the thousand sons and then 3 standard dreadnoughts for Cybernetica robots. I liked the small robotic henchmen idea at first however most Mechanicus robots were usually twice the size of an Astartes so I don‘t think this idea will work at the moment.

The Prospero Spire Guard
This is by far the simplest to incorporate into the army list, sacrificing the Interceptors and Vindicare I can take Coteaz and X3 Henchmen Squads, these are made up of 7 Warrior Acolytes (3 with Meltaguns) and 2 Psykers in a rhino. This gives me three mobile flexible support units that can be deployed for anti-horde or anti-tank something the terminators and dreads lack.

Modelling wise the spire guard will be converted using the high elf archer legs and guard torso, but with the pig iron helmet shown on the red armoured models below, they’ll be painted with red robes and gold armour.

http://bestnetworx.com/uploader/files/15/corp2.jpg

Their transport vehicles will be the chapterhouse chimera because I love the look of that model. However since I can’t afford chimeras and have instead gone with rhinos the weapons will be removed and I‘ll mount either the storm bolter turret or searchlight where the turret goes. I’m aiming to make it look like a fast response vehicle similar to the GDI APC from C&C 3.
After all surely the different factions of the early Imperium would have their own military transports before the chimera became common?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Fade_13/DSC00334.jpghttp://media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/4/3990/thumb_620x2000/47124.jpg

The Psykers will likely be modelled a bit differently so they fit in with the rest of the squad or be converted from the empire wizards.

Which leaves Coteaz, who I don’t know how to model; a techpriest would have been best but if the Legio Cybernetica isn’t in the army he‘ll look out of place. So far the only idea I’ve had is to buy and convert an old Solar Macharius model.

http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/f/f4/Lord_Solar.jpg

Any other suggestions for a character who would look good alongside the 1k sons and spire guard?

Proiteus
20-12-2011, 18:42
ALL IN AN EVENING'S WORK!
Well another eveningís work and another 3 terminators completed and ready to paint. Remember that the belts bulked out with pouches, grenades and other items after they are completed. After posing the 2nd Justicar with the book I felt I needed to go back and create a more interesting pose for the 1st Justicar, so Iíll replace the torso of the guy in the middle after itís painted with the 1st squad leaderís with the 1k sons style helmet.


http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/354/c/e/scarab_occult_terminators_up_3_by_proiteus-d4jna9i.jpg

Now back to painting!

petpetpetpet
22-12-2011, 11:34
The army is looking very nice.

Your painting has come on ALOT over the past few years it really has. I've been scrolling through all of the last few pages trying to find a painted picture of the robes on your Terminators, it seems you gave up though after struggling and went back to the normal troopers. Don't give up Adam! :p

Your armies always did have nice conversions, it's fantastic you've now got the painting in there as well too. Your gaming wasn't too bad either from what I remember, it does beg the question though what is next?



Anyway, I've not been down to Gobstyks for ages, personally I don't really like this "tank" edition. I'm just waiting for the next Edition Adam then my Tyranids may come back to eat these guys too! Hehe!


Anyway keep up the goodwork the army is looking very sexy.

Lee x

Proiteus
22-12-2011, 11:37
Perhaps a game against my thousand sons, I'll will only active the lord's force weapon in a friendly game as I feel that giving everyone force weapons overpowers them.

petpetpetpet
22-12-2011, 11:50
The chances are dude i'll start a new Chaos army when it is released with next edition.
Anyway...........



Come on let's see some pictures of your robed termies!

Proiteus
24-12-2011, 09:02
TWAS DA NIGHT BEFORE WAAAGH!
It's that time of year again so it's time to break out the xmas squig on my logs. :D


http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/355/e/3/the_traditional_xmas_squig_by_proiteus-d1qys66.jpg

This week also started off fantastically with my Zanatorian Machine Cult army being sold for £340!

So Merry Christmas Everyone!

Whitehorn
27-12-2011, 22:31
Excellent project, I've always enjoyed the extra effort you go to with yours. Great looking models all around, although I still think the Micro Arts cloaked legs are far too big.

Nice to see you link to my model in the first topic! It's funny how things go around, I found myself here looking for new inspiration to start Thousand Sons again and find you linking my own :)

Proiteus
05-01-2012, 22:15
THEY LURK IN THE SHADOWS!
Taking a break from my 4th batch of terminators, I decided to convert my 2 Hidden One agents. The hidden ones were the Thousand Sons scout Auxilia, but acted more as espionage agents gathering intelligence for the legion using a variety of sinister methods.
With this in mind I created these two; the one of the left is the basic hidden one operative to represent an Ďinquisitorí in smaller point games. The one on the right is to represent my Vindicare assassin so I converted him from the scout special character to make him look like he was the most skilled of all the hidden one agents. I also decided to convert the rifle as the scout one seemed too small for something that will puncture land raiders.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/102613.page
(sorry for the quality of the 2nd image, my 2nd camera ran out of juice)

Now I just need to finish the terminators, then I can paint these two and then it's onto the task of... the white robes!!!

Catferret
05-01-2012, 22:30
Oh man! That rifle looks awesome. Very reminiscent of the Exitus. Great use of the shotgun in there.

Proiteus
20-01-2012, 20:29
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
The Thousand Sons are by far the most interesting of all the legions, itís just a shame the Thousand Sons today are so boring to play in the chaos codex. A perfect example would be the Hidden Ones who were made up of the Thousand Sonsí scouts and would operate as spies and espionage agents, some programmed using telepathy so well they were unaware of their mission. So here are my 2 agentsÖ

Basic Agent
I created this guy to represent an Inquisitor in smaller point games for my HQ and Iím very pleased with how his paint job went. I decided to give them both battle scratches as they will have likely been out in the field for long periods of time before linking up with the main force, hence the camera and comm on his armour.


http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/020/a/3/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_hidden_one_agent_by_proit eus-d4n130i.jpg

Elite Agent
I also converted my Vindicare into a hidden one veteran and he was fun to paint. Only downside is because he is a metal model I needed to give him a coat of vanish to avoid chipping however despite only giving him a quick spray of GW Ardcoat heís still a bit too shiny for my liking.


http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/020/6/3/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_hidden_one_elite_agent_by _proiteus-d4n1379.jpg

Well that itís for Hidden Ones for the moment, I might make a Callidus assassin in future either as a hidden one or convert sleeper agents 1 for each army (that can be captured and programed).

Now to decide on what to do next while I work on the white robes; Dreadnought, interceptors, Terminators (Justicar and 2 reaper Autocannons) or even the captain to lead them to battle?

Sunshine and Night
21-01-2012, 16:19
Awesome Job, loving th conversions, Im guessing youve given up on the Idea of Throne of Skulls and Armies on Parade?

Off Topic: What are you going to do with your Dead SM?

Proiteus
21-01-2012, 22:48
Awesome Job, loving th conversions, Im guessing youve given up on the Idea of Throne of Skulls and Armies on Parade?

Well since Throne Of Skulls is still 1500pts I wrote a list for it and it includes only 10 terminators alongside 30 Spire Guard Henchmen & General Cortez, 3 Rhinos, 2 Dreadnoughts and a GK strike Squad, all of which are completely GW. So I believe I can get away with taking that army if I stick with the 'robes are greenstuffed' answer, however if it gets banned because of 10 models I will lose the last hope I have for the GW hobby.

As for armies on parade I came up with a scene from the book which was the clean up operation of Shrike where the thousand sons cleared out the last pockets of resistence in the mountains with help of the spire guard and Legio Cybernetica (planned robot paladin conversions). However I'm still only considering the idea as I don't have the materials to create a 24x24 board to the same quality as the miniatures.


Off Topic: What are you going to do with your Dead SM?
They were sold years ago to an army collector for £330.

Proiteus
30-01-2012, 20:33
THE WHITE RAGE!
Iíve spend the last two weeks trying to master painting the white robes and it just isnít working! Whatís frustrating is the rest of the work will be rendered pointless if I donít get it right as the robes will make or break the models.
The tabards were one thing but full robes are proving to be a much tougher challenge, so I askÖ

ďCan anyone link me a good painting tutorial for white robes?Ē

ďAlso given the size is it possible to use an airbrush to do it, cause if so IĎll throw down the cash to use one?Ē

Iíve considered some alternatives but Iím not sure purple would look right and black would make them look too much like blood angels. So Iíd be grateful for any help with this.


http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/030/4/b/dust_by_proiteus-d39ts7a.jpg
A suitable picture given the situation.

BITZ WANTED
Another thing I could use a hand with are some bitz Iím after so I can complete my next 2 conversions which arenĎt available at any bits stores at the moment. So if you have any of these bits PM me and let me know.

Imperial Guard Autocannons (For the 2nd Dread)
Empire Flagellant Touches (for my Pyrae Captain)

Proiteus
06-02-2012, 21:45
A NEW PLAN, A BETTER PLAN?
Due to my slow progress with learning how to paint white robes I decided it was time to consider the alternative, as Iíve mentioned before the only other colour than would suit them was purple similar to the sorcerer on the novelís front cover. So after an evening of painting I ended up with thisÖ


http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/037/f/f/ph_scarab_occult_terminator_by_proiteus-d4ou4v1.jpg

To be honest I didnít expect it could work so well, I think the purple makes him look even more mystic and blends well with the rest of the model. I painted some gold icons round the rim but the dust effect covered most of them up, thou I likely add some gold trim to better highlight the robe seam. Armywise having the Scarab Occult terminators wearing purple robes and scarabs compared to the basic troop's white tabards and markings could make them look very elite?

Iím still debating trying it with white. Anyway Iím anxious to hear feedback regarding the robeís colour so let me know what you think on if it works or not?

Student
07-02-2012, 08:46
The purple is painted very nicely and I like how the dust is partially covering the gold trim. What does he look like stood next to troops with the white tabards?

Duke E
08-02-2012, 19:06
these marines are so amazing. would love to see a group shot
also any plans for a dreadknight:D

Deamon-forge
08-02-2012, 19:16
thats ace. i want to see more painted just like that!

Proiteus
08-02-2012, 20:36
The question now is how to get permission to use these terminators at Throne Of Skulls. Because despite having 3 GW managers' approval there are a lot of players who believe the judges will ban the army for it's non GW parts.

So I intend to run the models pass the event team via email. But should I say the robes were done by a friend using green stuff and plasticard, or not mention them and just say Im asking about the use of the shoulder pads?

What do you think?

silveryfox
09-02-2012, 09:51
Just say you have used some parts non-GW parts to make em pre-heresy. I don't think you should lie.

arget8
09-02-2012, 12:47
Isn't it usually on 50% needs to be GW? You only have robes and shoulder pads on these guys, which seems like about 50%

Duke E
09-02-2012, 21:29
no one is going to stop you from using these they look to awesome:):)

stonedrose
21-02-2012, 15:45
Gotta say this is a great army, was wondering where you got the sarabs for the terminators chest plates though, someone asked earlier but I can't find an answer in the thread. Sorry for the inconvenience.

igneous
23-02-2012, 20:19
i second what duke said
PS what happened to the up dates:):)

Proiteus
23-02-2012, 20:45
TO ARMS!
The interceptors are pretty much complete except for the sergeant who has Dark Angel robed legs so is taking longer to finish. I left the one who was dramatically posed out of the picture because he just doesnít look right.


http://www.deviantart.com/download/274055474/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_squad_by_proiteus-d4j5yk2.jpg

Also someone asked how one of the terminators looked next to the interceptors, so hereís a picture. I think they go well together...


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/054/e/8/1k_sons_pic_by_proiteus-d2xmobs.jpg

THE FINAL DEADLINE!
This project has taken longer than expected I originally planned for a tournament in January then one in February, this time Iím aiming for my clubís annual tournament on the 24th of March. Even though Iím busy moving house I only have ĎLittle Magnusí and a 2nd dreadnought to go so my chances are high I will make this deadline. I plan to finish off the terminator robes during a week away to see my family that way I only need to take small selection of paints with me to complete them.

"Soon we shall reveal ourselves to the space wolves, at last we will have revenge!" :evilgrin:

TheConverter15
23-02-2012, 20:50
Looking very good, and I agree, the termis fit well with the interceptors. Looking forward to the little Magnus :D

Interkino
23-02-2012, 22:04
The interceptor looking very good (as ever) ;)
I can't wait to see the HQ rank and the other beautiful work that you will do :)

"Soon we shall reveal ourselves to the space wolves, at last we will have revenge!"
Do I read that right? Are you going to do a ph-SW army? :)

Proiteus
24-02-2012, 18:29
LITTLE MAGNUS
When doing a pre-heresy army trying to represent the Primarch is a hopeless task as there is nothing in the rules that can do them justice. Magnus The Red is the same and perhaps even more given that he took down two xenos titans by himself in the novel.

So after finding the ideal model on Scibor Minaitures I decided to convert a ĎLittle Magnusí based off ĎLittle Horus Aximandí in Horus Rising who is one of the Luna Wolves captains whoís splitting image of the Primarch earned him the nickname Ďlittle Horusí which he was often called by. This way I feel I can get away with fielding a Magnus look a like in my army.


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/054/0/1/pre_heresy_thousand_sons___little_magnus___up_by_p roiteus-d4qqjo9.jpg

I added the chest plate horns and replaced the damaged small shields that went over the arms with eagle wings from an imperial Aquila symbol, the arms look horrible underneath so really needed something to cover them up. I also asked a friend to increase the hairline with greenstuff. Normally I would have tired it myself but with a £16 minature I thought it best to have a expert do it rather than risk ruining the model. I'm sure a little help won't hurt and besides I'll likely be replacing him with a Ahriman conversion later as a Librarian has a lot more use in an advancing gunline of terminators than a grand master, that and unlike 'little magnus' I can use him in a GW store.

Anyway he'll be the last model I'll paint as I can play a few smaller games after I complete the 2nd dreadnoughts and finish the terminators I'll paint him up in time for him to lead the army on the 24th.

TheConverter15
24-02-2012, 21:35
Very nice conversion, great idea to go with it to Proiteus :D Looking forward to seeing it get some paint

Deamon-forge
24-02-2012, 22:14
simple conversion but very effective. now get some paint on that beast!

igneous
26-02-2012, 21:38
little magnus looks awesome
keep up the good work and i hope you make the dead line:):)

BrotherTearz
26-02-2012, 22:09
The only thing that puts me off scibor's is those areoplane like backpacks, good stuff in here though!

Proiteus
28-02-2012, 21:46
MORE BIG GUNS
Iíve completed my 2nd dreadnought however I had originally planned to have him going up the ruined base but the legs just wonít go together after I glued them so I rotated the base instead. Like the first one the weapons are exchangeable so when the model is glued together I can rotate the left weapon to be facing upwards a bit more.


http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/059/0/e/thousand_son_dread_2_up_by_proiteus-d4r9aub.jpg

I had planned only to have 2 Venerable Dreads but Iíve decided to downgrade them to basic ones and invest in a 3rd, so after their first tournament Iíll be building a 3rd dread with a close combat arm and multi melta.

THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!
With 25 days to go the pressure is on to meet the deadline, sadly Iíll be moving house this week so I wonít have a much time to work on the army! However I have the following week off work so Iíll spend a lot of time during then to get the dreadnought and terminators finished, then a week to paint up little Magnus hopefully leaving me 1 week to spare.

Anyway let me know what you think to the pose?

Blademaster
01-03-2012, 21:30
Nice conversion on Little Magnus. Quick question: what is that piece on his lower right lip?

Proiteus
06-03-2012, 18:12
THE LEGIO CYBERNETICA PREPARES FOR WAR!
Given how much my recent flat move and new HD TV has depleted my finances itís unlikely I will be investing in a 3rd £45 Contemptor Dreadnought. Instead I will be ordering the multi-melta and fist weapon for my first dread and building two Legio Cybernetica robots to represent my rifle dreads.

As mentioned before I will be using the old space crusade dreadnoughts as they are how I pictured the robots mentioned in the Thousand Sons novel, but armed with autocannons much like this conversion I found earlier in the week...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/Jacobk/Figs/Dreads_OS_11d.jpg

I'm currently experimenting with my own twin Autocannon weapon design and will be using the feet from a killa kan (http://www.bitzbox.co.uk/images/ork_killa_kans_legs_2_large.jpg) as the original feet are attached to the base and are impossible to remove (well) so it can be placed on a resin base.

However there are two questions Iíd like feedback on pleaseÖ

1. The robots in the book are described as blue and gold should I paint the blue metallic in remembrance to my old robot army (http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/321/6/f/iron_guard_squad_by_proiteus-d247mkl.jpg), or given how it's hard to add depth to most metallics should I use basic paints and paint them a dark blue so I can use the blending technique on the flat services?

2. Should I keep those legs or replace them with armoured sentinel legs so I donít have two robots in the exact same pose?

As always I'm grateful for any feedback given.

Student
07-03-2012, 09:14
I think that you should use the legs that came with the dreadnought. They look more advanced than the legs from the sentinel and technology was supposed to have been lost since the heresy. Having the two of them in the same pose is a downside but it could add to the effect that they are automatons. I'd go for a nonmetalic blue but that is just personal preference.

igneous
07-03-2012, 16:19
latest dread is coming along nicely:)

daismith906
08-03-2012, 08:23
Awesome work your attnetion to detail is outstanding.

Might i ask how you paint the main parts of the weapons? it blends with the minis better than the standard black hightlighted with metal etc

Proiteus
08-03-2012, 17:03
Might i ask how you paint the main parts of the weapons? it blends with the minis better than the standard black hightlighted with metal etc

Necron Abyss basecoat, mix in a small bit of skull white to highlight the edges then paint chaos black on the weapon making sure to avoiding the edges this time. If you make any mistakes with the last two stages you can easily correct it with a bit of necron abyss to blend them togther before finishing up with a black wash.

Heres a good example...

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/020/6/3/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_hidden_one_elite_agent_by _proiteus-d4n1379.jpg

daismith906
08-03-2012, 19:46
Many thanks I'll be stealing that technique for my great crusade ultramarines weapons.

Looking forward to the next update, your work is inspiring

Proiteus
15-03-2012, 20:14
THE LAST STRETCH!
8 days to go before the Thousand sonsí first tournament, which Iím determined to meet as this project has taken far longer than I would had expected as I started this project round this time last year after I finished reading a thousand sons in Febuary!
As such I missed my first deadline which was back in January then another tournament in February. However sadly because Iíve just moved house Iím running a bit behind so this next week will see a lot of time spent painting the final models.

However the 2nd dreadnought and strike squad sergeant have been completed and the last three terminators have been assembled and Iíve starting painting them. But Iíve still got ĎMini Magnusí to complete and the remaining 14 terminator robes which I will be painting while I visit my family for the next 4 days since I only really need the two purple paints and the wash to complete them.

I will try and free up the time to upload pictures of them but itís likely Iíll be too busy as I will be using all my free time to complete the army in time for the tournament.


http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/4/4f/ThousandSonsProspero.jpg

SUPPORT PROSPERO?
Iíd be grateful for any help regarding these two subjects guysÖ
First does anyone have any Autocannons from the imperial guard sentinel kit I could buy for my upcoming 6th Fellowship Cataphract robots as I need another set of 4?
& Secondly can anyone post some links to a selection of magical symbols that I can paint on the trim of the robes like the first one? (not too complex)

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/037/f/f/ph_scarab_occult_terminator_by_proiteus-d4ou4v1.jpg

Now, back to painting!!!!

Proiteus
24-03-2012, 20:18
THE THOUSAND SONS UNLEASHED!
Well my army took to the field in a small local tournament today and I walked away with 2 victories and 2 enemy forces wiped out but lost in the 3rd round against a horde of fast moving, AP packing Dark Eldar. Overall a fantastic day given it was my first 3 games with the army, which looks fantastic when all together.

The terminators still require a few finishing touches such as battle damage and their beltsí pouches, grenades and scripture as I needed the time to complete ĎMini Magnusí for today.
Iíll start photographing the completed units tomorrow and the terminator squads later in the week when they are finished.

Itís nice to finally see a yearís work on the board at last!


http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110320025321/warhammer40k/images/b/ba/Brother_Amsu-Legio_Standard_Bearer.jpg

Sunshine and Night
24-03-2012, 21:20
Great Job, cant wait to see your next brilliamnt idea for a new army, Im always there for inspiration if you need it anyways!

arget8
24-03-2012, 22:27
Proiteus, for the spire guard you could hold off on them until maxmini comes out with their trench coat legs and combine those with the unarmored command torsos and either napoleonic shakos or the big russian bearskin hats. From what I can tell from the fluff, that's what they look like. Liking what I'm seeing in this blog, keep up the good work!

RunepriestRidcully
24-03-2012, 22:49
Is it possible for an army/group shot?

Master Commander Ajax
26-03-2012, 03:25
Looking forward to seeing photos of everything finished. Well done!

Proiteus
26-03-2012, 18:57
DREADNOUGHT TAG TEAM!
The 2nd dreadnought is completed, nothing much to say about it apart from posing was a pain due to the baseís angle.


http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/086/6/1/thousand_son_dread_2_by_proiteus-d4u43lj.jpg

The plan was to downgrade the dreads to basic and get a 3rd but I certainly canít afford to part with £45 for another Contemptor so Iíll be arming the first dread with a close combat weapon and multi-metla and fielding 2 Legio Cybernetica robots for the rifle dreads instead. Course this guy will still be busted out now and then for some tag teaming.


http://www.deviantart.com/download/185915204/dread_assault_by_proiteus-d32ot38.jpg

THE LAST INTERCEPTOR
I also completed the last interceptor using the only decent robe I produced in my long crusade to master painting white, thou I might give it another try with the new GW paints for my upcoming commander model. A mace like hammer seems too brutish for a thousand son to wield so I decided to place it on a staff and make him appear like a techmarine instead.


http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/086/0/1/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_techmarine_by_proiteus-d4u43xp.jpg

FOOLíS GOLD!
I spent the last 3 days before the tournament painting up little or ĎMini Magnusí as he is now called and I was unsure about the model afterwards as something felt off about the model.


http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/086/1/8/pre_heresy_thosuand_sons_mini_magnus_by_proiteus-d4u43ch.jpg

I discussed it at the tournament with a few players and 1 hit the nail on the head; the gold! In small amounts it looks good but for due to the 2 washes and dry brushing required to pick out the details it looks very bland, which is bad given he the HQ in an army of colourful and well painted models. Also Magnus does have red skin he has tanned bronze like skin and getting that the right tone was a nightmare as was the hair.

Overall Iíll feel the modelís a bit of a let down so Iíll be replacing him soon with a Thousand sons captain similar in appearance to pre-heresy Ahriman from the art books to use as my grand master or Librarian, Mini Magnus will then be stored and brought out when I want to field Draigo and a paladin wing.

Now to add the last touches on the terminators! At least now I can take it easy.

Proiteus
27-03-2012, 21:04
Proiteus, for the spire guard you could hold off on them until maxmini comes out with their trench coat legs and combine those with the unarmored command torsos and either napoleonic shakos or the big russian bearskin hats. From what I can tell from the fluff, that's what they look like. Liking what I'm seeing in this blog, keep up the good work!

No the spire guard will be made out of GW bitz as I want to be able to take this army to Throne Of Skulls with out the officals making a fuss. That way I'll be fielding an army of 3 spire guard squads, 3 rhinos, 1 GK strike squad, 3 dreads and coteaz. With all of them being made out of GW components the 10 terminators have a better chance of being overlooked or tolerated.

As for the conversion I'll be using the high elf legs, cadian torso and arms with a drop trooper helmet. I'll then make them look more noble with small details such as a wing on the shoulder pad, a plume of hair on top of the helmet and maybe a cermonal sword.

Breazer
28-03-2012, 21:36
very nice proiteus
i like the guy with the hamer really a lot...he looks very powerful...and the colours are really striking...i hope that army picture come soon because this will look ace

Mega Nutz
29-03-2012, 18:04
The Dreads, tech and two accompanying marines look absolutely ace. Have to agree with you on little Magnus though. With all that gold it doesn't seem to gel as well with the rest of the army.

Certainly looking forward to your own Captain version, if previous works are anything to go on it'll be a striking centrepiece! :yes:

Proiteus
30-03-2012, 18:03
TERMINATOR ASSAULT; FIRST WAVE!
Here they are at long last, my scarab occult terminators. I started work on them in September last year with each pair taking several evenings to paint, sadly they didnít really go anywhere for a while as the robes werenít completed till this month after I had given up on trying to paint white before the final details such as the grenades, pouches and scripture were added!

I had planned to give them all symbols on the trim of the robes like the one of the left but dirt covered most of it up so it seemed a waste of time, instead I painted the symbols that ĎSkitsí provided on the each of the cloths attached to the belt of each warrior.


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/090/7/c/ph_scarab_occult_terminator_squad_1_by_proiteus-d4uic3t.jpg

Iíll upload the 2nd squad at a later date when I get a better quality photo of them and the 3rd when the 'wolves' are added, Iíll also be uploading more detailed pictures of certain squad members so feel free to suggest a model youíd like a better look at?

Also they looked fantastic when they charged a group of black templar marines, this picture should give you a small hint why.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/111205.page

BrotherTearz
31-03-2012, 21:47
I can't believe how awesome these models are, I like how everything fits together in the right places, can I ask where the bases are from?

igneous
31-03-2012, 23:51
nice:):) love the new dead and i like mini magnus:)

Proiteus
02-04-2012, 19:41
TERMINATOR ASSAULT; SECOND WAVE!
Hereís the 2nd squad of terminators, gotta say my favourite terminator overall is the squad leader reading words of power from a book, mainly because he looks so relaxed.


http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/093/5/f/ph_scarab_occult_terminator_squad_2_by_proiteus-d4uvvjg.jpg

EVERYONEíS QUESTION
So many people are asking for a full army shot but sadly my camera isnít cut out for it, with luck they be photographed by someone with a much beefier camera at their first real tournament on the 14th of this month. Till then hereís a small group photo of all the units.


http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/093/5/a/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_by_proiteus-d4uvvxs.jpg

THE POWER OF THE TUTELARIES!
With the army completed Iím now started work on the tutelary objective markers. Tularies where warp entities that the thousand sons summoned to enhance and help channel their powers. These were inspired by the amazing conversion work done by Isotope99 on BOLS (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=11823) who converted Tularies for each of his warriors, his thousand sons won best army at Throne Of Skulls so I recommend you check them out.


http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/093/3/8/tutelary_conversions_by_proiteus-d4uvvsj.jpg

Anyway like him I converted each of them to represent their cult so going from the rightÖ
Pyrae: Converted from a dark eldar mandrake, I decided to have him floating above the base, thou heís the only one I have doubts about as IĎm sure I could do better for a pyrokinetic?
Corvidae: This one was a no brainer as the raven is the cultís main symbol.
Athenean: I converted a wraith to look like some kind of dark puppet master given that this is a cult of powerful telepaths.
Raptora: My personal favourite, he was converted with the idea that the Raptora are probably the most powerful as they are able to create kinetic shields and move items with telekinesis (which I added as a base detail). I actually based his off the spirit from the Soul Calibur V game (http://www.werewolves.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/zwei.jpg).

The Pavoni tutelary will be done later in the week, which will be converted from the dark elf sorceress. Also if anyone can suggest a good method to paint glowing sprirts please send me a link?

arget8
02-04-2012, 20:58
Well, GW used to have the how to paint the LOTR ghost warriors, maybe they put the article back up?

Mewy
06-04-2012, 10:08
I'm a fan of ghosts painted with shadow-purple shades, green is done too much. On the other hand the tutilaries are described as glowing like suns, which would give them brilliant hues of blue-white or yellow-white.

I think Ahriman's tutelary is discribed as a mass of eyes each individually glowing like stars, and Khalopsis's tutelary is like a phoenix, but they seem like they would be impossible to pull off.

Proiteus
11-04-2012, 19:17
THE POWER OF THE TUTELARIES
After a week of painting my Tutelary objectives are finally finished, again for those of you who donít know Tutelaries were Ďfriendly daemonsí (of sorts) that the thousand sons employed as familiars.
I tried several techniques but in the end used the white dwarf tutorial for the spirits on the vampire countsí mortis engine with 2 alterations, I used the new light blue dry brush paint and finished it off with a coat of the new blue glaze. The end results speak for themselves.


http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/102/4/1/thousand_sons_tutelary_objectives_by_proiteus-d4vx4wf.jpg

So regarding them each individuallyÖ
Raptora; I added some more rocks to add to the telekinetic effect.
Pavoni; I was going to use a wood elf sorceress but then the plastic dark elf one came out, I decided to give her a ghost/serpent like tail as it seemed suitable to a cult that has healing powers. The hardest part was attaching her to the base, in the end I glued the end of her tail into the base and painted an effect to make it look like she was emerging through the pillar.
Atheneans; I planned to add some spikes on his back to give him some more detail but I instead gave him some much cooler looking wings.
Pyrae; I was planning to ditch this guy as he seemed a bit dull compared to the others, but then I painted him! Now Iím debating if I should paint the flames yellow or purple?
Corvidae; Still a simple but great Tutelary.


So tell me; which is your favourite?

Deamon-forge
11-04-2012, 19:37
very nice. that blue is a nice tone.

Proiteus
11-04-2012, 21:32
MY OWN JUDGEMENT OF NIKAEA
A bit of thousand sonsí fluff, the Council of Nikaea was when Magnus and his legion were put on trial during the discussion to outlaw the use of psychic powers and sorcery within the Imperium.
Tomorrow Iím off to Warhammer World for a friendly store to store tournament, however the tournament is run by one of the event staff who will likely give me my own little trial of Nikaea regarding the components Iíve used for the terminators.

When I first started work on the terminators I sent an email to GW showing an image from a Deathwing army that was also using the robes asking if it would be okay to use them at Throne Of Skulls. They repliedÖ


ďIím afraid you wonít be allowed to use those miniatures in one of our events, if Games Workshop makes a model for something, we expect you guys to use it. Games Workshop makes Deathwing Terminators, so we would need you to use those. Ē
Feeling as thou the creative side of the hobby was a mere shadow at the HQ I decided to not bother going to Throne Of Skulls. But since then the army has gone on to become my best work so I would like to take them to Throne Of Skulls later this year.
So in the unlikely situation the issue isnít brought up, Iíll talk to the events person about it and see if I can be allowed to feature at least 1 terminator squad in an army full of conversions made of all GW parts for when I complete my Legio Cybernetcia and Spire Guard allies. I try and explain that a friend green stuffed the robes on top of wire and terminator leg parts. ;)

Iíll let you know the verdict tomorrow and how I got on at the tournament.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/4/11/e617dcd3fac41ea5dfeea1a54bbe74d3_10465.jpg

muggs
12-04-2012, 02:38
Good luck! I hope that they turn a blind eye to the robes, surely they will see that with all the cash you have given to GW and FW they can let a few bits go!

RunepriestRidcully
12-04-2012, 09:50
Good luck! Hope your Nikaea goes better then the legions, It would be a shame, though hopefully most people would just assume the terminator's legs are greenstuff. Must admit, part of me now wants to go to tournaments if your army is an example of the style and caliber of them.

TheConverter15
12-04-2012, 12:57
These are not the robes your looking for ;) Good luck and if they are accepted tell us how the tourney went :) (and take loads of pictures)

Student
12-04-2012, 18:02
The tutelaries look cool. I'm torn between pavoni and corvidae as my favourite. I hope you get to use you're terminators at warhammer world though at the end it is their loss as they won't get to play against some awesome models.

Proiteus
12-04-2012, 21:37
MY OWN JUDGEMENT OF NIKAEA; THE CONCLUSION!
5 minutes! 5 minutes between starting my first game and being asked by GW officials if I had any alternative models and told to remove them, in the end they gave me 10 random uncoated terminators I had to proxy as my terminator squads. I was hoping to use them at least one small tournament.
Despite that I had 3 good games; I got revenge against space wolves in the 1st round, a very close game against guard in the 2nd and 3rd was an interesting game against Grey Knights.
However the issue with the terminators came back to plague me as I suspect I was given a painting score of 0 as despite 3 straight victories, Someone else won the tournament with a fully painted Ork army with 2 victories and 1 loss. But at the end of the day itís a friendly tournament so I wasnít too fussed as I enjoyed all 3 games, this just left a small shadow on an otherwise perfect day.


http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/d/d8/Malcador_the_Sigillite.jpg/180px-Malcador_the_Sigillite.jpg

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL
So if I ever want to completely play at Warhammer World with this army Iím clearly going to need to replace my terminators, which I can do with my upcoming Spire Guard and Cybernetica allied units.

At the next 1000pt tournament (likely in Oct) Iíll simply replace the 470pt terminators with a Coteaz and a detachment of Spire Guard henchmen squads. As for Throne Of Skulls itself if Iím unable to find something to replace all 10 terminators I will likely use a squad of Cataphact robots which instead of Paladins will act as stand in terminators.

Will see how it goes.

At least Iíll be able to unleash my full army this Saturday at Maelstrom Games.

stormtrooper154
12-04-2012, 22:39
Its a shame really, I like your army. I do have a vested interest though as Im currently making an Adeptus Custodes list using the GK codex and I too have used the MAS robed legs, Maximini pads and custom sculpted heads and I was looking to take them to a TOS, guess Ill just take them to things like carnage and the tournaments at other venues.

Im looking forward to seeing these in the flesh on saturday too.

Sunshine and Night
13-04-2012, 07:20
Sorry to hear about the terminators, hopefully your list won't perform differently with the replacments.

Morden279
14-04-2012, 23:50
Iím afraid you wonít be allowed to use those miniatures in one of our events, if Games Workshop makes a model for something, we expect you guys to use it. Games Workshop makes Deathwing Terminators, so we would need you to use those.

I've held me tongue for too long after first reading that passage, which was obviously written by a corporate lackey with a stick shoved so far up his **** that he could probably offset his own carbon emissions. A true hobbyist wouldn't speak like that, let alone to *another* hobbyist who has clearly spent a lot of time and thought on a Warhammer 40,000 army (as well as a generous portion on kosher GW components). Apologies if this is an OT rant, but the sheer off-handed terseness of Mr. Bayton's response - whilst in line with GW policy - does nothing to alleviate my perception that the company's treatment of its fanbase is abysmal.

stormtrooper154
15-04-2012, 08:09
I was lucky enough to see these in the flesh at Open War yesterday and they are very impressive. I managed to get some photos that Id thought you would like to see.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l587/_si_81/Random/DSC00952.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l587/_si_81/Random/DSC00953.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l587/_si_81/Random/DSC00954.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l587/_si_81/Random/DSC00955.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l587/_si_81/Random/DSC00956.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l587/_si_81/Random/DSC00957.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l587/_si_81/Random/DSC00958.jpg

I particularly like this guy, the Space Wolf is a nice touch:

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l587/_si_81/Random/DSC00959.jpg

Proiteus
15-04-2012, 08:12
THANK YOU Stormtrooper154 FOR THOSE FANTASTIC PHOTOS!


GW policy - does nothing to alleviate my perception that the company's treatment of its fanbase is abysmal.

Which is why the thousand sons will be my last army project. I had other projects lined up; A Tau Commando Battlesuit Force, A Mad Max Themed Ork Army and a pre-heresy night lord force (all below) but GW's constant corporate bull$*@t has killed my creativity and the fact most of the current managers are brainwashed to excute it.

My previous army the Grot Rebellion (see attachments) was made of nearly all GW parts and I was interviewed my the 'What's new today' team during a trip to Warhammer World who took many photos of the whole army, I was ecstatic as I would be able to inspire younger hobbyists the same way I was by White Dwarf's tournament reports. But despite what was said the army never made it's appearance, why I asked 3 months later. It was because the higher ups didn't want the wheels from a poundland toy shown on their website, so for that my chance to inspire younger players was denied!

So now all I intend to do is expand my grots and thousand sons forces, it is unlikely I will make another full army again.

Morden279
15-04-2012, 10:23
Which is why the thousand sons will be my last army project. I had other projects lined up; A Tau Commando Battlesuit Force, A Mad Max Themed Ork Army and a pre-heresy night lord force (all below) but GW's constant corporate bull$*@t has killed my creativity and the fact most of the current managers are brainwashed to excute it.

Sod 'em, keep it within the community - either your mates or clubs with no affiliations with GW. And the end of the day, an army should be an expression of one's creativity with the goal of meeting the highest expectations of one's own ability. You don't need the approval of a corporation to do that, as the testimonies on this thread evidence.

Incidentally, your grot army is brilliant.

Catferret
15-04-2012, 13:27
Aw man! The squig-style sentinel thing is a work of genius! Don't let stuff get in the way of your creativity if it means we don't get to see cool stuff like that. Your internet fans will still appreciate your work.

Official GW tournaments are such a tiny part of the hobby, there will be other places you can use your stuff without it mattering what bits you used.

Deamon-forge
15-04-2012, 13:32
dont stop! if GW dont want to see what a brilliant mind can do with their background then stuff them. Do let them stop what you are doing, as said their are other places you can show of your work of arts!

TheConverter15
15-04-2012, 13:43
Noooo Protieus don't stop! You still inspire tonnes of people with your brilliant army projects! Just attend other tournaments to get away from GW's stupid rules :) Keep up the good work :D

Sunshine and Night
15-04-2012, 15:51
Your Hobby Skills and Armys will be dearly missed, so sorry to hear about how bad GWs corparate stance affected You.

MalusCalibur
15-04-2012, 17:07
I have long thought your armies to be some of the most inspired and creative projects I've ever followed, and while I'm not remotely surprised at the 'company line' response it is highly saddening to see.
To echo the sentiments of others, *%&£ 'em. They don't deserve your business.

Proiteus
15-04-2012, 18:27
Proiteus don't stop! You still inspire tonnes of people with your brilliant army projects! Just attend other tournaments to get away from GW's stupid rules :) Keep up the good work :D

Hey just cause I ain't building any new armies doesn't mean I'm going to stop converting. I've still got all the Thousand Sons' Allies to do and depending on how well they look I might go on to create they're own individual army, I'm already considering a Loganwing for my Legio Cybernetica robots with robotic terminators and dreads backed up by Thousand Sons Devastators and lead by a captain of the Pyrae as Logan. I also need to wait to see what 6th edition brings.

AT LAST OPEN WAR!
I took the Thousand Sons to Open War this weekend and they were well received by players and did surprising well given their lacking numbers and mobility. The night before the tournament I completed a little detail Iíd be working on that week.


http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/106/a/4/ph_scarab_occult_terminator_squad_3_by_proiteus-d4wd9qg.jpg

Iíll say this; lighter colours are hard to blend, so I used the space wolf paint tutorial from a previous white dwarf and painted his armour using painted highlights instead and I made sure the pre-heresy armour was accurate.


http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/106/b/0/pre_heresy_thousand_sons_sorcerer_by_proiteus-d4wd9rm.jpg

ANYONE HAVE ANY AUTOCANNONS?
I need some sentinel Autocannons for my upcoming Legio Cybernetica dreads and I can remember someone from the US saying they had some to spare. Sadly I canít remember who it was who offered so can you please PM me if you are that person or have some Autocannons to spare?

RunepriestRidcully
15-04-2012, 19:50
That is a shame about your terminators, and the fact they asked you to not use them, despite the fact that the models were mostly GW parts, and the sheer amount of money that would have been put into them and the rest of the army, let alone the fact your terminators are beautiful shows that the whoever asked you had about as much taste as a cuttlefish and about as many artistic bones in their body as pile of ash. The fact GW has not made pre heresy terminator shoulder pads and robed termi legs you would think would give some defence.
They must have been very sharp sighted to notice them within 5 minutes, either that or someone else noticed them and ran crying foul.
As I am making terminators with the same legs, I don't suppose you know which tournaments and campaigns are friendly to creativity? Couldn't you say you'd sculpted them yourself?

Proiteus
15-04-2012, 19:55
As I am making terminators with the same legs, I don't suppose you know which tournaments and campaigns are friendly to creativity? Couldn't you say you'd sculpted them yourself?

Easy; Anywhere that isn't owned by GW, I had planned to say it was green stuff however I believe it was the same guy who answered my email back in september which would explain how he spotted them so easily.

Deamon-forge
15-04-2012, 19:59
Easy; Anywhere that isn't owned by GW, I had planned to say it was green stuff however I believe it was the same guy who answered my email back in september which would explain how he spotted them so easily.

why not make your own set of say legs up and cast them up, im sure you are aloud to do that. as itsa your own work?

also pm inbound.

rickie8437
15-04-2012, 22:55
Easy; Anywhere that isn't owned by GW, I had planned to say it was green stuff however I believe it was the same guy who answered my email back in september which would explain how he spotted them so easily.

Why not come to Northern Ireland, here in Belfast, we have an event here twince a year which is nothing to do with GW, At Arkham Gaming center. We have North and Souths best players and its a fun even

check us out at Arkham Gaming center.com

also your army is really well done, love the space wolf been held in the air, really nice


rik

stonedrose
15-04-2012, 23:22
I myself have had problems with GW and custom components, I was also disillusioned by their blinkered response. It's the nature of their training and whether or not an individual "fits" the company. I still hold true to the belief that they don't all buy the brainwashing, that it is rather a mechanism of keeping the company mantra to keep one's job.

On the other hand I think your stuff is inspiring, I've been working on my own thousand sons army, in part down to yours. I'd always wanted to do one but was unsure of which mark of armour to use until I saw your own. I've started with the spire guard rather than the marines and so far have two squad of spire guard and a heavy weapons squad done. I'll post another log when I get time for photos.

Back to the original point, don't play in GW now as a rule, we started our own club, run our own tournaments and as of this year have 62 members. I use GW as a resource for my hobby, it's not my hobby. Don't let their corporate rubbish get you down, in the past they needed people like us, if they disrespect their customers they will lose money. For instance, everything I buy is from independents now, apart from FW stuff.

Proiteus
16-04-2012, 22:12
THE 6TH FELLOWSHIP ARE INBOUND!
With the main Thousand Sons force complete itís time to expand and begin work on their allies first up is the Legio Cybernetica robots employed by the Legionís 6th Fellowship and Pyrae temple. When the robots were described in the book strangely the way I pictured them was the old space crusade dreads so what better model to convert my basic dreadnoughts than a pair I got for cheap of eBay.


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/106/0/a/legio_cybernetica_designs_1_by_proiteus-d4wea0j.jpg

The plan is to replace the cylinders with two pairs of sentinel Autocannons and mount the ammo drum on the side, I had to replace the feet for purposes of basing so Iíll be adding some armour plates above the feet to cover the blank area where they slotted into the original feet and base. Again anyone have any spare autocannons please PM me.

For the smaller robots that will act as my Paladins or replace the terminators at GW events, Iíll be using a conversion from a previous army project but with imperial weaponry. I thought it best to try and increase their height using a part from a Necron destroyer but Iím worried it may look a bit thin round the waist? Iíd likely be creating another mask design for these guys and it allows more posing options instead of having them all looking forward.


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/106/8/2/legio_cybernetica_designs_2_by_proiteus-d4wea80.jpg

Here are my ideas regarding the weaponsÖ
Storm Bolters; Iíll convert those the same way I did the gauss weapons only with GK storm bolters.
Psycannons; 1 large cannon like weapon.
Hammer; Powerfists
Sword; I was thinking converting a blade & shield gauntlet like ones from the golden army from Hellboy 2 (http://www.fasthack.com/images/weblog/2008/04/hellboy2-2.jpg).
Halberd; creating an air powered ram like the librarian dreads from the GKT special weapon arm might work.


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/321/f/9/zanatorian_shatterers_by_proiteus-d2aqrbq.jpg
The robot conversion from my old renegade machine cult army.

In the book they are described as coloured in blue and gold, at first I was tempted to paint them the same metallic metal as my former machine cult robots but metallics are very flat unless you have at least 3 different shades to paint with. So I plan to paint them up in the same blue as the chaos thousands sons in a horrific parody of what most of the legion would later become.

Anyway I'm eager to hear any feedback regarding these conversion concepts, especially the dread?

Proiteus
24-04-2012, 18:36
KHALOPHIS’ HEAVY HITTERS
I decided to give up on trying to find 8 sentinel Autocannons and used the ones from the heavy weapon team instead, only this time I didn’t shorten the barrels as I wanted to make the robot look designed for long range support. I then used Ravenwing assault cannon parts to attach them to the main body. Other details include the armoured plates from the Furioso dread to cover the blank parts on the legs and grey knight apothecary bits for the scanner and searchlight.


http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/115/5/2/ph_thousand_sons_conqueror_robot_up_by_proiteus-d4xj9yn.jpg

I’ve played a lot of RTS games and the concept was based off the usual cumbersome heavy walkers so I’m pleased in how it’s come out. Now I’m just worried about painting it, the problem being that some of the old dread’s details are very faint so I‘ll only really have one shot. I just wish I had one used or unwanted crusade dread to try out shades on first!

Catferret
24-04-2012, 19:33
They look really good with the Orky dred feet. The gun mounts look good too.

Deamon-forge
24-04-2012, 22:18
yep thats one fine dread right their, and as said the feet as ace on it i can picture it slamming its feet into the ground to steady it self and then letting hell let lose.

-BoBo-
24-04-2012, 22:54
Love the old dreads! Keep it up!
/BoBo

Proiteus
24-04-2012, 23:06
I can picture it slamming its feet into the ground to steady it self and then letting hell let lose.

That exactly what made me choose them, as they look like they can get a tight grip on any surface.

Deamon-forge
25-04-2012, 13:11
That exactly what made me choose them, as they look like they can get a tight grip on any surface.

:D

how many are you hoping to build?