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kargenetic
24-05-2011, 10:10
The GW Careers page says that they're looking to hire someone to help WD print online.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=5300001a&section=community&aId=16700004a

I didn't realize that they had any plans to not simply be a massive printed advertisement. Now they'll be a massive digital advertisement! :eek:

EDIT: If this ain't news, please axe it. If it is, I'm not sure this is the appropriate forum. Mods, please correct me if I done bad!

Inquisitor Kallus
24-05-2011, 10:16
Read again....


'We are looking for someone who will help the White Dwarf team deliver a digital edition of the magazine, and also be responsible for generating the product photographs used on the Games Workshop website, in White Dwarf magazine and a variety of other media.'


Its essentially saying they need an assistant, for White Dwarf, who is digital savvy, not that WD is going to just go digital

BramGaunt
24-05-2011, 10:22
It's been mentioned before that GW is planning on a branch to focus on digital releases, like Armybook/Codex Apps, White Dwarf PDF, etc.

kargenetic
24-05-2011, 11:00
Ah, sorry I missed that Bram.

But Kallus...
"We are looking for someone who will help the White Dwarf team deliver a digital edition of the magazine..." is what I was focusing on.

Inquisitor Kallus
24-05-2011, 11:02
Sorry I thought you meant something about WD magazine disappearing

Reflex
24-05-2011, 11:02
This can only be a step in a good direction (if they charge appropriatly). With people already D/L GW material from teh interwebz, legal or not, I know many people would prefer to have legitimate copies of online codecies. thats if they go that far.

Personally I wouldnt buy digial WD. I dont waste my time with the printed version.

Inquisitor Kallus
24-05-2011, 11:08
I think this might be a good thing for them. Personally for me, there is something about holding a book in my hands though. For example FFG does online versions of their books. Whilst I have the choice I would take the book every time, although i would like to have electronic versions so I could print out single pages and edit them if i wanted to for gaming purposes.

BrazenRogue
24-05-2011, 12:12
I like digital editions. I travel enough that my eReader is a godsend, but it'll never compare to actually having a real book. But when it comes to a digital version of White Dwarf, I won't be bothering unless it costs a fraction of the printed version. Why bother if it costs the same?

Of course, it will cost the same as the printed version, or a few pence lower. Bloody publishing industry never has worked that part out.

Voss
24-05-2011, 12:20
Hey look, another way to cut costs... which they could have done years ago.

RobC
24-05-2011, 12:21
I like digital editions. I travel enough that my eReader is a godsend, but it'll never compare to actually having a real book. But when it comes to a digital version of White Dwarf, I won't be bothering unless it costs a fraction of the printed version. Why bother if it costs the same?

Of course, it will cost the same as the printed version, or a few pence lower. Bloody publishing industry never has worked that part out.That's because the cost of printing is only a tiny proportion of the actual cost of publishing.

Imagine the digital version is considerably cheaper. Print sales will be cannibalised by digital sales, resulting in decreased profit. And that's assuming sales remain static.

By the way, I agree with you that a digital version doesn't feel as valuable as a print copy. I'll always prefer a print copy.

Raibaru
24-05-2011, 13:12
It being free would probably be too much to ask for, right? Their site is starved for attention. Free WD articles online, perhaps 3-6 months behind, would be a good way to improve traffic to it.

Mr. Ultra
24-05-2011, 13:19
Isn't this more for GW general? Why is in the 40k forum?

BrazenRogue
24-05-2011, 17:44
That's because the cost of printing is only a tiny proportion of the actual cost of publishing.

Imagine the digital version is considerably cheaper. Print sales will be cannibalised by digital sales, resulting in decreased profit. And that's assuming sales remain static.

By the way, I agree with you that a digital version doesn't feel as valuable as a print copy. I'll always prefer a print copy.

Oh, I know the way it works. I was venting more than anything :p The arguments of print vs digital are many, complicated and only vaguely on topic here, so I won't go on about it. Needless to say, a good nine tenths of my eReader library consists of classics that can be distributed freely because if I'm going to fork out a tenner for a book, I'm getting a print copy...

Not sure what it means for WD, though. The majority of eReaders are black and white, making them pointless for things like this. Perfect for the iPad, though you'd have to be a hell of a lot richer than I am to have that level of gadget addiction and collect Games Workshop...

sigur
24-05-2011, 17:46
It's been mentioned before that GW is planning on a branch to focus on digital releases, like Armybook/Codex Apps, White Dwarf PDF, etc.

Yes but who apart from overly enthusiastic users on various forums mentioned that?

t-tauri
24-05-2011, 17:57
Moved to GW general as it's not 40k specific.

scarletsquig
24-05-2011, 19:27
I'd be very happy to have digital everything.

Rules and Army books in fully-bookmarked .pdf format would be especially great.

loveless
24-05-2011, 19:48
I'd be very happy to have digital everything.

Rules and Army books in fully-bookmarked .pdf format would be especially great.

And yet if they aren't 2/3 or less of the cost of what the printed ones are going to be starting in June, I can't imagine buying them.

I'm not saying that the digital version should be cheaper because it's digital, I'm saying it should be cheaper because the print versions' prices are pants-on-head ridiculous.

Grimstonefire
24-05-2011, 19:55
I would be happy to swap to WD digitally, but only if they allow archive searching for previous articles somehow and a way to group related ones.

Which may sound strange, as I can't easily do that with the paper copies (I know there are websites with contents lists), but that would be the only thing that would tempt me away from having a physical copy.

Having contents lists online are fine, but ideally there would be a database and a way to group together every related article simply by searching. (e.g. "Orcs" "2005-2011" etc). Which would pull together all articles that have that as a tag, one after the other for easy access.

I would find that immensly helpful.

Edit.
@loveless
How much is WD going up by?

loveless
24-05-2011, 20:58
Edit.
@loveless
How much is WD going up by?

That one I don't know - I was responding to scarlet's mention of rulebooks.

I stopped getting White Dwarf around the time it went to $9/issue. I probably would have renewed, but no one from GW called or sent out a letter informing me that my subscription was going to expire (frankly, I think they still owe me six issues from a promotion a few years ago).

White Dwarf's a $4 magazine at best, probably closer to $2-3. It's nearly the cost of an issue of Newtype now, which is on higher-quality paper, contains far more content, and usually comes with other bonuses. Hell, OPM costs me under $2/issue and has twice the content of an issue of White Dwarf. They really need to look into outside advertising.

Grimmeth
24-05-2011, 21:17
Digital editions = easy piracy.
Amusing, if massive companies can't realistically stop people doing it what chance do GW have?

Londinium
24-05-2011, 22:09
Digital editions = easy piracy.
Amusing, if massive companies can't realistically stop people doing it what chance do GW have?

This is what I don't get with so many publishing houses rushing headlong into the digital world these past two years. Books/magazines were one of the few media segments not to have been ravaged by internet piracy in the 00s because of their physical properties and now the whole industry is running headlong into making it easy as pie to pirate what was previously an industry largely resistant to piracy (although still losing profits due to the ubiqitous nature of second hand book reading but this has been part of the industry ever since it was created) because of the extra effort needed to scan in a whole book and inferior experience reading off a computer screen.

sigur
25-05-2011, 01:02
...(e.g. "Orcs" "2005-2011" etc). ...

Can't think of anything of interest happening to Orcs between 2005 and 2011. :cheese:


Anyway, I prefer White Dwarfs to be in physical form. I don't really buy them, just old ones second hand and especially with those, I absolutely prefer physical prints. On this and all other points I agree with Londinium.

tezdal
25-05-2011, 02:52
Lol well I don't pay for White Dwarf in paper format, don't see myself buying it in digital either. Maybe if it had coupons or something.

Crymson
25-05-2011, 04:16
This is what I don't get with so many publishing houses rushing headlong into the digital world these past two years. Books/magazines were one of the few media segments not to have been ravaged by internet piracy in the 00s because of their physical properties and now the whole industry is running headlong into making it easy as pie to pirate what was previously an industry largely resistant to piracy (although still losing profits due to the ubiqitous nature of second hand book reading but this has been part of the industry ever since it was created) because of the extra effort needed to scan in a whole book and inferior experience reading off a computer screen.

You obviously weren't looking in the right places then :)

violenceha
25-05-2011, 06:55
Digital editions = easy piracy.
Amusing, if massive companies can't realistically stop people doing it what chance do GW have?
Who'd be sad enough to pirate a catalogue?

Hendarion
25-05-2011, 07:02
I'd be very happy to have digital everything.

Rules and Army books in fully-bookmarked .pdf format would be especially great.
When you're going to visit an LGS to play with friends though, then would you need to print that PDF at home first? Because imo that sucks and I'd still prefer to buy the book.

AndrewGPaul
25-05-2011, 08:25
That would depend on the shop, wouldn't it? Discussing a universal rule for such a hypothetical situation seems rather odd. :)

If there were to be a digitally-distributed White Dwarf (or other books), I hope it's not just a pdf file with the same layout as the physical version. The layout of White Dwarf and the army books is terrible for onscreen reading.

Londinium
25-05-2011, 20:49
You obviously weren't looking in the right places then :)

Oh I know it was possible to find pirated books and the like, hell I have a load of Batman comics that way. However you'd very rarely find whole books online because no one wanted to scan in 300/400 pages and make a pdf out of it just to read it on a computer screen. Now with things like the Kindle and most publishing houses putting out .mobi/epub versions of everything people can easily pirate books with little of the downside. The fact that most epub files are little bigger than an mp3 file just makes it even easier.

Col. Tartleton
25-05-2011, 23:34
So GW is generally switching off metal, possibly (wild speculative rumor started) thinking about the specialist games, and possibly moving towards 21st century digitization of things...

Oh my, they have a business plan!

I want codex/army builder apps for iPhone! (Well actually it would be more useful on my iPad...)

Make this happen meow!



When you're going to visit an LGS to play with friends though, then would you need to print that PDF at home first? Because imo that sucks and I'd still prefer to buy the book.

Lap Top? Tablet? Smartphone? Handheld? PDA?

ted1138
26-05-2011, 01:08
Digital? I heard they were going Resin.

SotF
26-05-2011, 17:10
Well, WotC went digital a few years ago and eliminated the DnD magazines, so GW might be trying to copy that although they kind of missed the other extras WotC mixed in that GW would never do or be able to really do.

Dangersaurus
26-05-2011, 18:50
When Dragon and Dungeon went digital, the main loss was all the advertising and the high-quality printing of art and photos. With White Dwarf, there'd be nothing left.