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tentfox
25-05-2011, 14:16
I am trying to decide which models to use as inquisitorial henchmen, as the current metals in most cases are pants. I am not interested in all the different types of henchmen, just deathcult assassins, warrior acolytes, pyskers and crusaders.

For Deathcult Assassins I am pretty sold on the new Dark Eldar Wyches. I have a friend collecting the army so hopefully I can make a unit with all hand weapons.

For warriors I was considering Cadian Shock Troops, but I think the pack only comes with 2 chainswords which is a bit of a pain and they look fairly generic. Does anyone have any better ideas?

For pyskers I could bite the bullet and get the metals as well as the primaris psyker and the astropath from the regimental advisors. This is a decent amount of metals and I would likely need to packs of the identical sanctioned psykers as well. Another idea is Empire Battle Wizards, they are plastic and have a decent number of configurations, I am just afraid they will look too "magicy". What do the people think?

I honestly have no idea what to do with crusaders. I would not need as many as with the other models as they would likely be used as support in squads with other troops rather than to be the focus of the units. But there are only 2 current models and they are not the best. But looking through the range I am having trouble finding models with shields, I liked the empire captain with sword and shield but he stands out a lot for a standard trooper and there is only one of him. I also saw some decent looking models by PP but they tend to repeat the same model frequently and if I ever wanted to go to a tournament I couldn't bring them.

So anyone have any ideas? What do you guys use?

Commandojimbob
25-05-2011, 14:27
I am planning on using :
Acolytes
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440091a&prodId=prod20048

Plus - With lots of bits like chainswords, Scout heads, greenstuff for hoods, stormbolters, boltguns etc etc

Crusaders
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440037a&prodId=prod780921

Again, probably look to get some 40k powerswords on bits websites - not worrying if its on a space marine arm as that will just make it look like a bionic arm.

Deathcult Assassin
A suggestion from Blink on here is DE wyches - which I quite like, just need to make them a little less DE like.

Psykers
I have looked at Warmachine for that - there is some army thats like a zealot religious order - got some good models in there for psykers i was considering.

So just a few ideas which require a bit of messing around but they should fit the theme !

Haravikk
25-05-2011, 15:49
What don't you like about the current metals? I like all of them, except the Jokaero of course because it's *********** stupid. The others are all really cool miniatures imo, so I'll be using them, but for my rekindled Witch Hunters army, not Grey Knights :p

Dryaktylus
25-05-2011, 16:32
For warriors I was considering Cadian Shock Troops, but I think the pack only comes with 2 chainswords which is a bit of a pain and they look fairly generic. Does anyone have any better ideas?


The Las-guns of most IG models are easily converted into Bolters without much conversion skills (well, it's some monotonous filing with the metal ones, but not much more).

You need bolters, of course, but in the dull monotony of the present there are only Space Marine players.

Kyrios
25-05-2011, 17:36
The new DE Wracks could maybe fit in as creepy psykers?

Ghouls could be converted to arco-flagellants (or use existing metals) for counts as crusaders - powerweapon + iv. save from excessive drug use.

Warriors could be Voystryans for a bit more ornate/gothic looking soldiers

rodmillard
25-05-2011, 18:33
If you're prepared to pay out for it, you could buy necromunda minis. The enforcers would make good warriors, and come with a power maul/suppression shield option which would work for crusaders. Redemptionists would also work as =I= Henchmen.

tentfox
25-05-2011, 23:27
What don't you like about the current metals? I like all of them, except the Jokaero of course because it's *********** stupid. The others are all really cool miniatures imo, so I'll be using them, but for my rekindled Witch Hunters army, not Grey Knights :p

Nothing wrong with the model of the Jokaero, just the concept of a space monkey. The metals for the henchmen are mostly fine, just they tend to have around 2 different imposable models. So if you want a squad of more than 2 it starts to look a bit ridiculous, it can also get quite expensive.

Also I read the fluff for the psykers and they are not meant to be the sanctioned pyskers of the imperium (which they find too mallow), rather rogue psykers which they inscripted for their destructive powers. I actually like the model of the acolyte with the flaming staff in that regard but alas that is a single model when I would like to run 8 psykers.



Psykers
I have looked at Warmachine for that - there is some army thats like a zealot religious order - got some good models in there for psykers i was considering.


I know just the models you are talking about! These guys http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/units/choir-of-menoth I have considered that, pity they are not GWS models in case I wanted to ever enter a tournament with them. Also are they "rogue" enough to fit the theme? (probably) Privateer Press also make a few models with shields that might work as crusaders.


The new DE Wracks could maybe fit in as creepy psykers?

Ghouls could be converted to arco-flagellants (or use existing metals) for counts as crusaders - powerweapon + iv. save from excessive drug use.

Warriors could be Voystryans for a bit more ornate/gothic looking soldiers

What are wracks? I searched the GwS website but could not find them :(.

Thanks for all the ideas so far guys!

MajorWesJanson
26-05-2011, 02:36
Again, probably look to get some 40k powerswords on bits websites - not worrying if its on a space marine arm as that will just make it look like a bionic arm.


Try the falchions from the GK strike squads. They are smaller, more human sized power weapons, and are just the sword and hand, so easy to attack. Probably easy to get to, since the box comes with a ton of them, and there are left and right handed ones.

Xenock
26-05-2011, 03:08
you could get the Forge World Renegade psykers. I have some myself, and love the models!

Theodred
26-05-2011, 04:26
Well, what exactly are you looking for? I mean, I love the look of most of the henchmen models! If we knew what you didn't like and what you were looking for, specifically, it would be easier to recommend replacements.

Also, monkeys in space rock. The concept of the Jokaero is pure awesome, and the model has so much character its ridiculous. I was overjoyed to see these guys make a return to the common 40K lexicon!

tentfox
26-05-2011, 04:54
What I do not like about the current models

Deathcult assassins: There are exactly 2 models and when I run them I run far more than 2. Also one has only 1 weapon. The models themselves are actually very good looking.

Psykers: There are only 3 models and even the variety between them is slim. The fluff also states that the inquisition does not use subdued psykers, but instead more dangerous ones. I think the model of the acolyte with the flaming staff and goggles is a great example of what I like in a psyker. That being said I do not mind the metal psyker models despite the sameness. I was thinking maybe something from the empire could work, people mention converting empire flagellants but I wouldn't know how to go about it. The battle wizards are also an eccentric looking lot.

Crusaders: Once again only 2 models and sold as singles so are a bit pricey.

Warrior Acolytes: I am not a fan of their lack of existence.

riotknight
26-05-2011, 06:12
What I do not like about the current models

Deathcult assassins: There are exactly 2 models and when I run them I run far more than 2. Also one has only 1 weapon. The models themselves are actually very good looking.

Psykers: There are only 3 models and even the variety between them is slim. The fluff also states that the inquisition does not use subdued psykers, but instead more dangerous ones. I think the model of the acolyte with the flaming staff and goggles is a great example of what I like in a psyker. That being said I do not mind the metal psyker models despite the sameness. I was thinking maybe something from the empire could work, people mention converting empire flagellants but I wouldn't know how to go about it. The battle wizards are also an eccentric looking lot.

Crusaders: Once again only 2 models and sold as singles so are a bit pricey.

Warrior Acolytes: I am not a fan of their lack of existence.

They Exist. Pick up any Cadian/Catachan box. They represent warriors pressed/requested/assigned to an Inquisitor, it can be from any range really. I use Catachans personally, and some of my old Inquisitorial Storm Troopers

chromedog
26-05-2011, 07:56
I use guard figure for warriors. Cadians as flak armoured.
Kasrkin and older Stormtroopers as Carapace armoured ones.
Crusaders are SM scouts (already have the carapace armour) with Cadian vox helmets, backpacks and a baton and shield made from plastic rod and card sheet respectively. More high tech riot cops than anything else.

Haravikk
26-05-2011, 10:53
Okay, I see the point on variations, I suppose I always like more of a mixed bag retinue rather than taking lots of any one thing, but then that's mostly because I feel it looks more retinue like :)

Hmm, well warrior acolytes definitely can't go wrong with adeptus arbites as they're just plain awesome, though the warrior acolyte profile doesn't fully do them justice but you can at least spring for carapace armour. Plus if you get the patrol team from the specialist section you can get some with the riot shield/shock baton combo for Crusdaders perhaps, on which note though I'm interested to know if anyone can clarify what you actually get in the set? Are the ones with riot shields the gangers? The description is a bit vague as to what the patrol team set includes!

The dark eldar wracks are part of the new Finecast range, you can find them here (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230016a) for pre-order.

For psykers… you could actually just use more witch-hunter variants, so long as your actual inquisitor stands out then the witch hunters often have psychic powers anyway so it'd make sense for them to be included. Necromunda is definitely a good place for these kinds of models, as the Redemptionist Gang (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490066a&prodId=prod1120119) can make an awesome retinue, with the the Redeemer (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat480009a&prodId=prod1120101&rootCatGameStyle=specialist-games) topping it off. Mordheim also has the witch hunter warband (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat490060a&rootCatGameStyle=) for some possibly models.

There are also tons of discontinued Necromunda miniatures on eBay, lots of characterful bounty-hunters and a few psychic themed characters if you're lucky.

Commandojimbob
26-05-2011, 11:00
The problem is not that the existing models are bad - but there is no variety! From memory there are 2 Deathcult assassins, 1 or 2 Crusaders, 1 or 2 Acolytes, 2 Daemonhosts etc etc

Also - you cannot wysiwyg them - I want Stormbolters on my Acolytes so the only choices is to get hold of a load of stormbolters (which I have - just need to snip off the terminator arm).

The Falchions is a good call Majorwes - may well have to get me some of them for the Crusaders ! :)

Until GW release a plastic kit for Acolytes, its up to our imagination to build our acolytes and Crusaders. Necromunda models are very viable but very expensive.

Haravikk
26-05-2011, 11:12
Necromunda models are very viable but very expensive.
Not as expensive as individual models though, provided you can find a use for them all or get a good price for the leftovers on eBay :)

madden
26-05-2011, 11:34
Use a box of empire flagrants they are a good source for psykers (I use a box with a warrior priest for imp battle squad) they come 10 to a box as for warriors necromunda is your best bet, crusaders guard with space wolf storm shields and falcions should work.

JaqTaar
26-05-2011, 17:10
Hmm, well warrior acolytes definitely can't go wrong with adeptus arbites (...) though I'm interested to know if anyone can clarify what you actually get in the set? Are the ones with riot shields the gangers? The description is a bit vague as to what the patrol team set includes!

Here're pictures of the content of the boxed sets:
http://easternfringe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5671&sid=aba770940797682a9c4858af0c6b4ff6

Note that they are not randomized, you always get the same models.

rodmillard
26-05-2011, 19:46
When I bought my enforcers about 5 years ago (I actually use them as an Arbites army using the guard codex, although they were originally for C:WH) you got a lot more weapons sprues than shown there - I don't know if that guy got a bad box, or if they have massively cut down on the value for money in the set.

Notwithstanding the (lack of) options, its a really good set for =I= forces: with that box you can make an acolyte squad leader with pistol(s) and greatcoat, two warrior henchmen with bolters or shotguns and 3 with special weapons, one crusader (using the suppression shield/power maul sprue), and a heavy weapons guy (it doesn't take much conversion work, or you can just say the heavy stubber counts as a heavy bolter). The cyber-mastiff is a bit problematic, since familiars are no longer an option, but he looks great on a scenic base (I have used mine to dress up the characters in the army).

What annoys me with that set is that it doesn't actually give you enough models to play an enforcer squad in necromunda (under certain circumstances you need to field 1 sergeant, 1 heavy, 1 cyber mastiff and 8 regular enforcers - the box only comes with 6, and they no longer sell blister packs...)

Stormtrooper Clark
26-05-2011, 22:23
Still using my Inquisitorial Stormtroopers from Daemonhunters - That is, the original 'Frog face' Stormtrooper models painted with the Inquisitorial scheme.

LonelyPath
26-05-2011, 22:31
I use a mix of things such as Storm troopers, Cadians, Catachans, Flagellants, Psykers, Necromunda models (particularly the Cawdor), Space Marine Scouts, Official Henchmen models on occasion, models from the Infinity range. You get the idea. Basically if I think it will fit the role, I will use it. Heck, one of my Death Cultists the other night was represented by the Executioner in the Malifaux range, may be a larger scale but the model is to cool to only use in 1 game (plus I only loosely pinned it to the base so I can easily switch it to a 25mm).

the_gobbo_king
26-05-2011, 23:25
Use Chaos Warriors as Crusaders:

Carapace Armour - Check.
Sword - Check.
Massive Shield - Check.
Cloak - Check.

They are the closest models in the range to Crusaders that are in plastic.

Scott.

LonelyPath
27-05-2011, 00:19
Gobbo, I'm going to have to steal that idea from you, thanks for mentioning it :D

tentfox
27-05-2011, 03:21
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440109a&prodId=prod1040516
Looks good, just need different heads, something less evil and more modern.

Corvass
27-05-2011, 06:15
I'd say PAGK helmets would work pretty well with the Chaos Warriors. The PAGK force swords would also work nicely as actual power swords, I'd say.

Haravikk
27-05-2011, 13:56
Here're pictures of the content of the boxed sets:
http://easternfringe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5671&sid=aba770940797682a9c4858af0c6b4ff6
Thanks for the link! However, the picture on the GW website (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490065a&prodId=prod1120127) has a model that isn't shown, which you can see on the left and seems to have lighter armour and no helmet.

I was planning to pick up a set before the price-hike but it has me wondering, as the description lists 1 mastif, 1 heavy, 1 leader and 5 gangers, which makes me worry that the awesome arbite with trenchcoat is no longer the leader provided in the set and you get the weedy nobody instead.

JaqTaar
27-05-2011, 15:34
To 99% I'm sure you will get that sergeant with coat. The GW picture is outdated and misleading. The bareheaded sergeant as well as a third leader model (also with coat, but looking in the other direction) and a second heavy variant are not available anymore.

You can check the entire ranges here for example (it also mentions which models and sprues are in the boxes):
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Necromunda_-_Collectors_Guide