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Drognan
31-05-2005, 23:21
I found this at another site

http://img159.echo.cx/img159/2938/woodelvesarmydeal0hv.png

Tancred II von Quenelles
31-05-2005, 23:24
Thanks. Strange content though :)

night2501
31-05-2005, 23:45
I see
14 glade guards
18 skirmishing archers (not sure wath theyr ar eprobably scouts or GG)
8 glade riders
16 dryads
5 wardancers
3 warhawks riders
characters, mage BSB and the higborn of the great weapon ^^

strange indeed and a bit troublesome, no unit come in numbers large enought to make 2 units of them, and most come in units to big to be really usefull, toguht they are few units...
mmm I think I will do with the smaler box ...also I will convert the warhawk riders so I would like they weren“t there...
well I just have to wait a little longer ^^

therisnosaurus
31-05-2005, 23:53
okay, that's funny
assuming the battalion comes with 2 boxes of GG, 1 of GR and 1 of dryads, that box has only this over the top of it

3 blisters of warhawk riders
2 blisters of wardancers
3 characters- It's not even worth $300au, let alone $400

risK
01-06-2005, 00:13
Well, I see 6 Wardancer...
But the ltd.Ed. BSB and the raised plastic prize and the armybook could count up a bit. Still not worth the money, but I want them. Damn GW!
Maybe the forest is in deed the new treeman? :D

samw
01-06-2005, 00:14
remember to add the book. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if the dryads were more expensive than your average box of plastic.

m1s1n
01-06-2005, 00:38
That does feel a little thin.
Maybe I'm just imagining it, but didn't the Dwarf Army deal come with 3 boxes of warriors, a unit of Slayers, a unit of Miners, a cannon, an organ gun, a stone thrower, a runesmith, a lord, and the BSB? Actually, now that I think about it the deal doesn't sound too bad. Maybe I'm just over-eager to get my hands on the new models.

Frankly
01-06-2005, 03:15
okay, that's funny
assuming the battalion comes with 2 boxes of GG, 1 of GR and 1 of dryads, that box has only this over the top of it

3 blisters of warhawk riders
2 blisters of wardancers
3 characters- It's not even worth $300au, let alone $400

It could be 2 boxes of dryads ... hope I'm wrong.

therisnosaurus
01-06-2005, 03:43
okay, let's have a look at this shall we

standard army box price in AU is $400

we have
32 glade guard (2 boxes of 16) $100
8 glade riders (1 box of 8) $50
16 dryads (1 box of 16) $50
3 warhawk riders, going on old price, with a slight rise, $25 each: $75
3 characters @$16 each $48
2 blisters of wardancers @$18 each $36
army book $36.

total $395

and that's even being CONSERVATIVE (including the army book, raising prices slightly as they no doubt will be and so forth) you're getting a raw deal. if they price it at $350 it'll be fair (one free unit, just like in the battalion that'll be 2 guard boxes and a box of dryads and riders each)
but at 400, it's CHEAPER to buy everything seperately- 50 bucks cheaper actually as you can buy the battalion meaning you get 1 of the boxes free.

I'm not sure what the point of this is.

therisnosaurus
01-06-2005, 03:50
on the dwarf army deal, let's have a look:

3 warrior regiments- $150
15 slayers including command $94ish (pretty sure these were the amounts)
15 miners including command $94ish

3 warmachines @$35 each- $105
3 characters @$16 each- $48

total, without army book: 491 dollars. that's a saving of $100, whereas the WE one gips you by $5. small diference, eh ;)

Jericho
01-06-2005, 05:43
The Canadian box is supposed to save $18, the price of one of the character blisters. That's been pretty consistent with the amount of savings we've been getting on army boxes for the last couple years, the main thing is getting the contents weeks/months early, not saving a ton of cash. That's what the Battalions are for :)

Crube
01-06-2005, 07:21
In the UK, the box is apparantly £135 rather than £150, which I reckon makes a saving of about £15 - 20 (ish)

I personally think that the Dryads may come as a box of 12 for £18 (normal box set price), so there'll be an extra sprue in there as well.

In any case, I'll still be picking up my box (or 2 if I can sneak them past Mrs Crube - Whats that dear? No, I've had those for years...) Come on, I've waited long enough for 'em - how come these last few weeks seem like a *(^$&% eternity...?!?!?

Ashdil
01-06-2005, 10:15
If I go from the old swedish prices and knowing how much most army deals end up to, then this deal is just as good/bad as any other.
You get 4 plastic regiments.
But I want to know the price on the warhawk riders first.
I went with the old price on the great eagle 120kr, thats about 16 dollars (US).
I calculated the BSB as the other charcters.

I think it's a good deal, you get what you need, plus you only need a treeman and a few more wardancers to have a good WE army!

Puppyblue
01-06-2005, 13:32
What it lacks is the shiny new things like treekin or wild riders. If they were included it would be a much more tempting bargain. And on that same note its lacking the things that are rumoured to have the biggest punch. So u've got 8 GR's and possible 2 more units of 8 nerfed dryads. Thats not gonna be that scary.

Odin
01-06-2005, 13:41
From the rumours I've seen, Dryads are not "nerfed", they're just not as wildly over-powered as they were before. By all accounts the stats for them seem to have remained the same, they've just lost their aspects and gone down in price - not too shabby at all.

It's true though that a unit of one of the new troop-types would be better if they're trying to get people to part with their cash.

Puppyblue
01-06-2005, 13:50
Losing the aspects are still a considerable loss. As the aspects covered pretty much every field in HtH a dryad unit could be used for pretty much every purpose, from breaking light infantry to holding characters. But yes, they are still quite powerful without aspects. Quite cheap too when compared with chaos warriors who are 2pts more expensive.

Xxcha
01-06-2005, 17:35
They also get the 5+ "deamonic save"

zephyro
01-06-2005, 19:48
From my place of vieuw, it isn't like all of you see.

It's:
14 glade guard
16 dryads
8 glade riders
3 warhawks
1 mage
1 highborn
1 bsb
10 scouts (or maybe that new elite regiment?)
8 waywatchers (they are in the far right-under corner)
6 wardancers
1 armybook

If I would count this, It will be something else I guess.(in euro;s)
Something like:
27.50
27.50
27.50
33.00 (they are like terradons)
8.00(around)
8.00(around)
8.00(around)
30.00
30.00(around)
20.00(around)
20.00
=
239.50

Well as you can see, you get the army book for free, just like all those other army deals.
So if you want to get started with them:
Just buy the bataillon, it's much more worth's it cost! (but you have to wait longer for it)

Zephyro

Narandil
01-06-2005, 19:55
there are no waywatchers, just 2 units of scouts (i think)

zephyro
01-06-2005, 20:08
From the pics I have seen from the new waywatchers, they look remarkably the same!! (the guys I meant)

Zephyro

Narandil
01-06-2005, 20:12
I'd like to think so but the positions are all wrong, i think that they are scouts which is strange because i thought that it was a 1-1 choice with GG

Galonthar
01-06-2005, 20:23
hmmm....

GW has surely produced a choas with giving the scouts cloaks (they deserved those things ages ago,.... sry that`s my opinion about the WE: WE`s must have cloaks!! :p )

The Judge
01-06-2005, 20:28
I don't think GW would be as cheeky as to actually cheat people this obviously,,,I reckon the army book is free, and some of those scouts are waywatchers.

Neh, I ain't buying that set anyway.

cardbard_alex
01-06-2005, 20:34
http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?t=6959

Pic of the box cover and the army book.

Cheers Alex

Anaiya
01-06-2005, 22:31
Just a thought, but isn't it in the rulebook that you can only have as many units of scouts as there are Glade Guard? I point it out because there are 2 archer units displayed on the box in skirmish formation. Maybe a unit of Waywatchers? Of course, GW could just be screwing with us, it's not like it would be the first time!

Karlon
01-06-2005, 22:39
Theyre not Waywatchers. Why? Because counting them as Glade Guard you get 32 all together, which is 2 x 16. If they were waywatchers, youd get 24 total GG, and I dont think you only get 12 glade guard in a box. Why am i certain of this? The preview showed 16 Glade Guard, not 12.

Going on typical UK prices...

2 x 16 Glade Guard = £36
16(?) Dryads = £18
8 Glade Riders = £18
3 Warhawks = £27 - £30
6 Wardancers = £12
3 Characters = £21
Army Book = £12

Making a total of around £144. The Tyranid army deal was £150, but i doubt this one will be that price. Id Guess it'll be £135.

Ordo Hereticus
02-06-2005, 00:03
this one costs 130, i saw the release price sheet at my GW :P

Stouty
02-06-2005, 00:57
Five pounds to the bus fair then!

night2501
02-06-2005, 02:10
well I think no one would complain if you used some scouts as waywatchers aniway, just a little conversion to make them diferent or trowing a couple of the old ones in the unit and that is...

Frankly
02-06-2005, 02:41
Why would anyone complain? You just have to use a model and represent a waywatcher, I was thinking of just using plastics for my whole army, converting glade guard.

therisnosaurus
02-06-2005, 04:52
as you'll notice there is a unit of 14 ranked archers, a unit of 8 skirmsihing archers and a unit of 10 skirmishing archers. that's a total of 32 models, eg 2 boxes of 16. the glade guard box makes both scouts and glade guard and those skirmishers are scouts. way watchers look far grittier and wilder, plus their poses are less firing bows and more sneaky

Jedi152
02-06-2005, 08:35
Going on typical UK prices...

2 x 16 Glade Guard = £36
16(?) Dryads = £18
8 Glade Riders = £18
3 Warhawks = £27 - £30
6 Wardancers = £12
3 Characters = £21
Army Book = £12

Making a total of around £144. The Tyranid army deal was £150, but i doubt this one will be that price. Id Guess it'll be £135.
And bear in mind that you get the limited edition BSB, which would probably cost you £15-20 to pick up on ebay, and you get it all before it's released separately.

Not too bad a deal, might look into getting it.

Puppyblue
02-06-2005, 12:49
I know BSB is traditional for the special edition character but it doesn't quite work this time...
WE and BSB doesn't really mix that well. A special edition mage or noble would have fit much better. Or maybe a special edition treeman lord! Then this boxed set would be a total bargain!

thanquol
02-06-2005, 13:14
I really think its quite stupid of GW to make this army boxed set 2 expensive. All WE-players are dying for new models and better rules (if you can call the lines that exist now rules). Why does that *******' GW ever do something right the first time!

The boyz
02-06-2005, 13:45
I know BSB is traditional for the special edition character but it doesn't quite work this time...

Yeah I agree it would be better to have a special edition Noble or Treeman.

fracas
02-06-2005, 13:50
I know BSB is traditional for the special edition character but it doesn't quite work this time...
WE and BSB doesn't really mix that well. A special edition mage or noble would have fit much better. Or maybe a special edition treeman lord! Then this boxed set would be a total bargain!

convert him to be the general, thus a "unique" model

Galonthar
02-06-2005, 18:27
I really think its quite stupid of GW to make this army boxed set 2 expensive.

1: that`s what were trying to do; find out WHY GW makes a seemingly over-expensive
2: than,.... don`t buy it,... (D*mn, but I still do want that limited ed. BSB)


convert him to be the general, thus a "unique" model

hmm.... it looks like quite a difficult model to convert in my eyes; the banner covers a quite big part of the model,... but on the other hand,... yes another thing would be more fitting for WE(I`m not saying it is a bad model,.. FAAAR from),. a (unique) treeman ancient lord thing, or a highborn on steed (preferably dragon:P) would do the trick

Crube
02-06-2005, 18:28
Theyre not Waywatchers. Why? Because counting them as Glade Guard you get 32 all together, which is 2 x 16. If they were waywatchers, youd get 24 total GG, and I dont think you only get 12 glade guard in a box. Why am i certain of this? The preview showed 16 Glade Guard, not 12.

Going on typical UK prices...

2 x 16 Glade Guard = £36
16(?) Dryads = £18
8 Glade Riders = £18
3 Warhawks = £27 - £30
6 Wardancers = £12
3 Characters = £21
Army Book = £12

Making a total of around £144. The Tyranid army deal was £150, but i doubt this one will be that price. Id Guess it'll be £135.

How about this...

1 x 16 GG
2 x sprue of GG (=8 models)
8 Waywatchers
8 GR
etc, etc, etc

possible???

EffCee
02-06-2005, 19:39
Despite the fact that it looks a bit paltry compared to the other deals, I'm going to pick up a couple of extra shifts at work to get it. Gotta love those Woodies.

aleitaan
02-06-2005, 23:26
How about this...

1 x 16 GG
2 x sprue of GG (=8 models)
8 Waywatchers
8 GR
etc, etc, etc

possible???

Well, since on the preorder form of my local retailer, it says:

32 GG
8 GR
6 wardancers
3 warhawks
16 dryads
1 mage
1 hero
1 bsb

...sorry, not possible... ;)

Crube
03-06-2005, 07:56
Fair enough, just a thought :D

Quetzl
03-06-2005, 12:04
I want to see more of the Eagle riders??? :)

Jedi152
03-06-2005, 12:21
I want to see more of the Eagle riders??? :)
Judging by the first pic in this (http://s6.invisionfree.com/TheRainingGlade/index.php?showtopic=818) thread from Raining Glade, they are the 'surfing' warhawk riders as were rumoured on Portent months ago.

LaughinGremlin
03-06-2005, 17:41
I would say that the wood elf BSB is an O.K. choice with the addition of the new "boned up" rank and file: the eternal guard. Put the BSB in that central unit, possibly flanked by... ...even more eternal guard.

Narandil
03-06-2005, 18:27
What might be is that there are two boxes of Dryads, if you count there are sixteen. Now if GW are going to be tight they might only release 8 in a box, making an extra box of troops. Also the way that I see it, you still make a small saving, of about £5 (that is considering that the box will be £130)

Crube
03-06-2005, 18:39
Does anyone else see the similarity between the new warhawk riders and the Dark ELdar Hellion???

Darmort
03-06-2005, 19:24
No, but that Army deal is good... very good. Shame I can't afford it. Yet. *Needs one for Wood Elves*

The box, I heard, will be £115-£125.
I want them all!!

Xxcha
03-06-2005, 20:13
I have heard from my local independent stockest (who is already taking orders) that it will be £125. Luckily for me, he will also be giving me a 20% discount as i have bought the previous two army boxes (sold the ogres stright away)!

Galadrin
03-06-2005, 21:03
Is it just me or do all the Wardancers have Great Weapons in that picture.. oO

portentjunkie
04-06-2005, 01:47
Is it just me or do all the Wardancers have Great Weapons in that picture.. oO

Just some of them. Because of the poses, some of the two hand weapon equiped ones kind of look like they have great weapons in that tiny pic.

HiveTrygon
04-06-2005, 03:37
It is a fair deal. I'm not sure why people are complaining. GW is constantly raising prices and eventually are going to fall because of it. They will never go under but are going to loose business that way in the long run, hence less models and higher price.

As for the deal, good selection just not much there. Although us tyranid players did not get the best deal either. ;)

75hastings69
04-06-2005, 09:14
I was (past tense) going to buy the Army Box (I hate the word "Deal" as it invariably isn't!!) but having seen the contents i don't think i am going to bother, not much there for £130.

The army box is going to be £130 and available 30th July (as advised by GW Mail Order this morning). There will be a release every week after the army box of WE newness right up until the end of OCTOBER, god that is some amount of stuff to release!!!!!!

Quercia
04-06-2005, 11:35
I wonder where those Dryads are good for. If they don't get a Stadard and Musician but ranked up is a bit bizarre to me. Not complete.

Ok, and what if the Dryads are used as screens and get T4, skirmishing, and a big unit size? Wouldn't make sense to me, since they look kinda threatening (and a big unit). I find them the most beautiful of all Woodies I've seen so far, I just hope they don't get to be cannon fodder.

Cheers,
-Q

aleitaan
04-06-2005, 14:39
I wonder where those Dryads are good for. If they don't get a Stadard and Musician but ranked up is a bit bizarre to me. Not complete.

Ok, and what if the Dryads are used as screens and get T4, skirmishing, and a big unit size? Wouldn't make sense to me, since they look kinda threatening (and a big unit). I find them the most beautiful of all Woodies I've seen so far, I just hope they don't get to be cannon fodder.

Well, the dryads skirmish, cost the same as archers and are tougher... not a bad deal in my opinion, being core as well... :cool:

Galonthar
04-06-2005, 18:15
they don't get to be cannon fodder.

-Q

uuh... what do you mean,.. with "cannonfodder"??.....

don`t forget!,.. those things will likely become T4 (and skirmish,... so,.. that`ll make `em, even harder to kill (imagine in what hell those bret. bowmen will be... :evilgrin: )

Xxcha
04-06-2005, 19:19
The dryads will also have a 5+ ward save which follows the same rules as the demonic ward save. From what i know, the wardancers will all count as having the same weapons which give a modifier of +1 A(all the time) and +1 S (on the turn you charge).

malisteen
09-06-2005, 01:47
From what I heard dryads will cost no more then the new archers, have special rules similar to daemons (but without instability), have multiple attacks, stats similar to chaos warriors, skirmish, and are core troops. To be honest, they sound pretty broken to me, and I rather expect them to cost more points then the rumors have implied.

I suppose you could use them as a skirmish screen, but the only thing potentially worth screening would be the eternal guard, and even then saving dryads as a countercharge against enemy fighting the eternal guard sounds like a better use of them.

I personally plan to buy the new army box, collecting my wood elves over again from scratch. I'll be merging two of the dryads that come in the box into a dryad hero, and use them as a deadly skirmished combat unit, the way Isha intended.

mrtreeman
09-06-2005, 06:39
i think i remember that on the french gw site it sed

dryads come in packs of 12
those scouts things look like metal scouts from the pics

and the highborn looks to cost more than 16 bucks most big chunky heroes with decorated bases cost around $22 now

but personally i dont care because they loook awesome and i want to get them so i can find a way to make my current wood elves look like them painting wise etc

and if i dont spend $400 i will buy a ton of the new models anyway

and i am really fond of the whole tree spirit army thing i meen yes fire hurts but not many people have fire magic and when they do it usually isn't that great!