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plasmadaemon
20-03-2005, 12:29
...terminator?

i'm guessing lysander.

malika
20-03-2005, 12:51
How do you mean, the largets Terminator model or largest character in the background? IIRC there was this gigantic Space Wolf Terminator in the background, some old story, that guy was truly gigantic.

boogle
20-03-2005, 12:53
wasn't his name Ranek or something like that, but model wise, there isn't as Logan, Lysander and the New Termies are all the same size, but Marneus lookms bigger than them all for some reason (must be the Bling)

Asher
20-03-2005, 12:53
Ever seen Azrael in Terminator armor on a pic in the Angels of Death codex (2nd ed)? He looks damn big.
Else I'd say either Abbadon or the new Calgar.

Brimstone
20-03-2005, 13:11
wasn't his name Ranek or something like that, but model wise, there isn't as Logan, Lysander and the New Termies are all the same size, but Marneus lookms bigger than them all for some reason (must be the Bling)

Ranulf a special charcter from the 2nd edition codex was said to be a very large terminator with custom made armour to fit.

Marneus may be bigger but that's probably the added bling and general "biggerization" of the 40K scale.

TheSonOfAbbadon
20-03-2005, 13:16
I've looked and Abbadon is bigger than normal termies, not by alot though, it's mainly the trophy racks that make him look bigger, and the 6 foot sword.

Captain Blood
21-03-2005, 03:17
Ranulf of the Space Wolves should be the biggest, he's somehow managed to move a wrecked Land Raider into a lava flow at one point. That and he was listed as being half again as big as a marine.

malika
21-03-2005, 11:14
I find that Land Raider thing kind of weird...since I mean he basicly defiled a Machine Spirit which was in the Land Raider and threw that in the lava.

charlie_c67
21-03-2005, 11:34
I find that Land Raider thing kind of weird...since I mean he basicly defiled a Machine Spirit which was in the Land Raider and threw that in the lava.

Ah but he's a space wolf who has no care of such things! or maybe his acompanying Iron priest said it was ok?

malika
21-03-2005, 13:42
I seriously doubt that an Iron Priest, who happens to be an agent of the Adeptus Mechanicus sort of would let a machine spirit be defiled in that way. If were to believe the background info on technology in the Imperium, Land Raiders would be getting very rare, so letting one sink in the lava would be a very serious offence.

Khaine's Messenger
21-03-2005, 14:10
Ah yes, how silly of him, forgetting that all the specialists of the chapter are behind him even in the heat of battle, watching his every move in order to make sure he doesn't sneeze the wrong way else he shall feel the sting of the power-ruler across his knuckles.... :rolleyes: I'm sure he caught a ton of flack for it, but if it happened, it happened, and there's little they can do about it other than try to retrieve the Machine Spirit from its housing and build another Land Raider shell. The man might get a reprimand and possibly a berating (and possibly the eternal enmity of the Iron Priests), but it's not like a Space Marine of all people is going to lack justification for doing something, at least to his own mind (was it even a loyalist Land Raider?). And remember, Iron Priests, like Techmarines, are usually Space Marines first, adepts of the Machine God second.

Captain Blood
21-03-2005, 19:13
The circumstances of that event meant that either the Land raider got melted, or Ramulf and his comrades died. The tank became a bridge for them to fall back through.

Brimstone
22-03-2005, 22:52
besides Space Wolves are known for their adherance to Imperial Doctine.

kotetsu
25-03-2005, 00:51
If were to believe the background info on technology in the Imperium, Land Raiders would be getting very rare, so letting one sink in the lava would be a very serious offence.

Those bitches are churned out in the millions.

charlie_c67
25-03-2005, 01:05
Those bitches are churned out in the millions.
M'eh? Land raiders aren't else they'd be the standard transport of all marines! You thinking of Rhinos or something else?

Sgt John Keel
29-03-2005, 18:55
M'eh? Land raiders aren't else they'd be the standard transport of all marines! You thinking of Rhinos or something else?

Strictly speaking, there is a few million Land Raiders in use.

On topic: Is Marneus actually bigger or does he just look bigger because of the Warp Amps and the rock he stands on?

/Adrian

Marty D
08-04-2005, 14:38
who would have the space balls to give that guy a telling off anyways?

Nazguire
09-04-2005, 00:18
Model wise I think they are all roughly the same, but maybe Logan Grimnar or Marneus are the biggest. Chunkiest is definately Marneus ;)

Background wise, almost certainly Ranulf. Being bigger than a Marine by half a 'standard' sized Marine will make him well over 10 feet...so he would definately be the largest...but whether he is wearing Terminator armour for real, or just some armour plating that resembles Terminator armour that the Iron Priests slapped on him to stop a stiff breeze knocking him over is another matter. :eek:

angelspast
09-04-2005, 00:38
Ranulf is the biggest marine I've seen. His custom model was REALLY bulky, making the terminator next to him look pretty small. Wish I had a scanner, I'd post his old WD model pic :(

Slyracoon
22-04-2005, 18:57
Does anyone have more info on Ranulf? He sounds really interesting, especially seeing as I collect Space Wolves. And a picture would be brilliant angelspast, if you can find it.

angelspast
22-04-2005, 20:45
;) I found em.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/angelspast/Ranulf.bmp



'While only the most promising young Fenrisians are chosen to walk amongst the Gods, some aspirants seem to be born for greatness, marked by destiny. The Wolf Guard Ranulf the Strong was one such individual. Upon the infusion of the gene-helix and his subsequent transformation, Ranulf underwent a startling change. The process worked upon his body was staggering, his very bones enlarged to almost twice the normal size, with his muscular structure swelling to match. It is said that upon the completion of the trials, he outstripped Father Russ in both girth and might of arm. Indeed, if one were to look upon his Terminator armour that now stands in the Halls of Heroes, one would know that he was the largest of all Space Wolves that have ever lived. Many tales abound of his incredible strength, with one such story recounting that once, when his pack were trapped between an Orkish warband and a river of lava, Ranulf alone pushed the wreckage of a nearby Land Raider into the flow so that his pack could cross to safety.

Whilst the many deeds of Ranulf were mighty, none were greater than that the one that ended his life. On the Ice world of Kurvan II, the Space Wolves were engaged in battle against the mighty hordes of the Ork Warlord Uruk Grimskull. On the wind swept plains of the Durnian valley, the Sons of Russ did meet with a rare defeat at the hands of the foe. With mounting losses and an untenable position the Great Company did withdraw into the mountains to the east. Knowing that the Orks would surely overwhelm his forces as they tried to evacuate, Lord Einholt Bloodfang decreed that a rearguard should hold the narrow mountain pass, allowing the wolves to retreat to a position of strength. Before the Lord could offer his life in action, Ranulf stepped forth, his pack brothers of the Wolf Guard falling into step behind him. Knowing that such a show of loyalty would only be cheapened with heavy handed words, Einholt simply grasped Ranulf's armoured gauntlet in salute before rejoining the company in withdrawal.

Lo was it that seven brave Wolf Guard did stand before the unleashed fury of the Ork horde. Thus did Ranulf stand at the fore, swearing to leave the ground in victory or death. The greenskinned savages smashed into the rearguard like waves upon rock, the foe falling in hundreds against the stout defence of the veteran wolves. For a day and a night did the enemy attack Ranulf and his companions, ceaseless and unfaltering were their assaults and yet the line did not break. Greenskin corpses filled the narrow pass, forcing the Orks to clamber over their own dead and still they continued to seek bloody melee. Thought the spirit of the Wolves was undiminished, even their superhuman physiques could not withstand the fatigue of combat indefinitely. The sheer numbers of the foe began to tell, and in time each of the Wolf Guard fell in turn, until only Ranulf remained. Knowing that his death-song was upon him, Ranulf waded into the press swinging his crackling power fist in wide arcs while howling like pack sire wolf. Dozens of the vile greenskins were crushed and mutilated beneath every blow. Yet for all his god-like prowess and might, Ranulf could not hold the green tide and was finally overcome, falling into death on the blood soaked ground of the mountain pass.

Three days later, the reinforced Great Company of Einholt Bloodfang advanced through the mountain pass to find an amazing sight. They came upon great piles of Ork wargear, stacked in mounds that stood higher then any of the marines present. Passing through these strange cairns, the Wolf Lord found himself standing before a hastily constructed shrine at the centre of the pass. Seated within were the life-riven bodies of Ranulf and his companions, placed in positions of honour upon hastily carved thrones. So it was that Ranulf the Strong passed into the sagas of old. To our Chapter, Ranulf was regarded as a mighty champion, but to our enemies he was considered nothing less than a god.'

- Extract taken from ‘The Saga of Ranulf’ (Ref: Astartes/11/BvK2/8971)
Translated by Inquisitorial Scribe Alexise Varphol.



A Space Wolves army of 1,500 points or more may include Wolf Guard Ranulf. If you decide to take him then he counts as one of the army’s HQ choices. He must be used exactly as described here and may not be given extra equipment or wargear. In addition, he may only be used in a battle where all players have agreed beforehand to allow the use of special characters.

Wargear: Terminator armour, storm bolter, power fist, wolf tooth necklace, wolf pelt.

Special Rules

Independent Character: Unless he has a bodyguard, a Wolf Guard Battle Leader is an independent character and follows all the special rules as detailed in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.

Tremendous Strength: Amongst his superhuman peers, Ranulf was recognised as one of the strongest Space Wolves that have ever lived, equalling the might of the legendary Primarch Leman Russ. This bonus has been included in the profile above.

Wolf Guard Bodyguard: A Wolf Guard bodyguard may accompany the Battle Leader. See the Wolf Guard entry for details.

Slyracoon
22-04-2005, 21:33
Thanks a lot angelspast! Was that from the 2nd ed Space Wolves codex? That's some really cool fluff, I miss the really diverse characters you got in older editions. I get the impression from newer codices (and armybooks in fantasy) that there's a prediliction towards making a few really powerful characters, instead of a wide range of weaker ones.

I quite like the model, although it'd probably be impossible to get. I might try and convert Logan's model to represent him. Thanks again.

Ass Goblin
23-04-2005, 01:15
He isn't that much bigger really. The new termies are slightly bigger than the old 'waiting at the bus stop' termies. So he would be around the same size as a new termie now. But the background makes him seem much bigger.

Nazguire
23-04-2005, 01:23
This Ranulf character is definately one I'd like to see in the new Space Wolves codex, along with Ragnar, Logan and Ulrik. Seems to have a lot of character and epitomises what the Space Wolves are about. Plus it would be an excuse for GW to make a really big Terminator model that is way better than Lysander! ;D

angelspast
23-04-2005, 02:12
Yeah it's from the 2nd edit codex, you should find one on ebay it's a good read. The newer codex's (3rd+) don't have nearly the same amount of fluff.

You won't be able to get that model though, it's unique :p

Hellebore
23-04-2005, 06:44
He isn't that much bigger really. The new termies are slightly bigger than the old 'waiting at the bus stop' termies. So he would be around the same size as a new termie now. But the background makes him seem much bigger.


Yeah the model isn't big, but Ranulf was 10 foot tall, and he could make one attack at Strength 10 without any weapons (his bare hands could do that much damage)

hellebore

boogle
23-04-2005, 10:35
beat me to the punch Ass Goblin, you could try and bulk out one of the nerw termies (i remember someone converted an Old Termie into Ranulf and it was featured in WD, i think it was Neil Hodgson)

Captain Stern
23-04-2005, 16:55
Actually I'm fairly certain it was Kim Syberg.

boogle
23-04-2005, 22:00
if it was i'll check UKWD 185

Nazguire
23-04-2005, 23:13
Ranulf could probably be made with some mad converting to Logan Grimnar. Grimnar is almost big enough and in a pretty cool pose, maybe a few head and arm swaps would be what is needed...oh yeah and a funky banner, can't forget that one.

angelspast
24-04-2005, 00:35
Actually I'm fairly certain it was Kim Syberg.

Yupp, your right. He's featured in US WD 185, along with a nice SW army.

DrumrbaxJ
25-04-2005, 03:34
That was a mad ass story. You see, that's the sort of thing missing from the new books. Just the good old stories. Everyone likes a good story and that would have to be one of the best I've read in a while. What a pro. I just wish that sometimes they could put as much effort into the other races as well. Like the orcs for example? Give them something truly heroic and inspiring. Surely Space Marines can't be the onle ones to inspire. Even Eldar and Tau could benefit from stories like that. Possibly even some of the "Evil" races.

Incognito
27-04-2005, 08:28
Strictly speaking, there is a few million Land Raiders in use.

On topic: Is Marneus actually bigger or does he just look bigger because of the Warp Amps and the rock he stands on?

/Adrian

So every marine in the galaxy has 2-3 land raiders of his very own?


BTW: What was Ranulf's strength anyways? I'm curious since it is supposedly the equal of Russ'...

boogle
27-04-2005, 08:33
his basic strength was 6 i think, but could go up to 10

there are about 2500-2600 land raiders in existence, because there are only 1000 marine Chapters in existance and a lot of them may not have more than 1-2, plus the extras that are allocated to the Grey Knights and Death Watch

angelspast
28-04-2005, 06:48
Eh most of the established chapters have something like 10-12 of em. Newer chapters may have only a couple or none at all. They can still be made, so there must be a good number of them out there, but nowhere near 1mil.

Landraiders aren't loaned out :p . Greyknights have their own gear.

+++Edit!+++

Missed his stats in the first post they were. Should be ok to post since they're from 2nd edition.

WS 5 BS 5 S 5 T 4 W 2 I 5 A 5 Ld 9 Sv 2/5+

Incognito
28-04-2005, 08:19
Eh most of the established chapters have something like 10-12 of em. Newer chapters may have only a couple or none at all. They can still be made, so there must be a good number of them out there, but nowhere near 1mil.

Landraiders aren't loaned out :p . Greyknights have their own gear.

+++Edit!+++

Missed his stats in the first post they were. Should be ok to post since they're from 2nd edition.

WS 5 BS 5 S 5 T 4 W 2 I 5 A 5 Ld 9 Sv 2/5+

This goes another step in confirming my side of the debate in the whole "How uber are teh Primarchs!1oneone!?" debate.

I think they had superb stats for a space marine...But with 5s and 6s and some elite wargear. Killing a bloodthirster was a huge accomplishment afterall...And I don't think they should cost more points then a C'tan.

Flame Boy
02-05-2005, 13:25
Eh most of the established chapters have something like 10-12 of em. Newer chapters may have only a couple or none at all. They can still be made, so there must be a good number of them out there, but nowhere near 1mil.

Landraiders aren't loaned out :p . Greyknights have their own gear.

+++Edit!+++

Missed his stats in the first post they were. Should be ok to post since they're from 2nd edition.

WS 5 BS 5 S 5 T 4 W 2 I 5 A 5 Ld 9 Sv 2/5+


Those stat's can't be second edition stats. For starters, in 2nd edition, Terminators didn't get 2/5+ armour saves, they got 3+ armour saves on 2D6. In addition, there is no movement value, which was included in all infantry profiles.
Here's the values for Ranulf I found in the 2nd ed Codex: Space wolves:
M4 WS6 BS5 S7 T5 W3 I5 A2 L9

To put that into context, the profile for a Hive Tyrant in 2nd edition had Str 6 and WS9... so for a mere Wolf Guard rather than a commander he was a pretty tough guy. He basically had the skill and strength of a Carnifex in close combat, without the attacks or staying power.

I wouldn't spill his pint.

Lion El Jason
05-05-2005, 11:17
Ranulf: Like a 'fex in 2nd ed he could roll 1 attack dice and have str 10. The 4th ed stats posted look like fan rules to me.


There are no where near a million land raider in the imperium.
The ultras chapter (Probably about average) has only 19 in the whole chapter.
Even factoring in those few chapters with a significant ammount more (Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights etc...) and newer chapters with less or none it probably averages 20ish per chapter. so thats 20,000. All we do then is add on the =I= and other LRs which I'd be surprised if it even added up to 1000 of them (More likely less than 100).

Were still looking at 20,000 ish in total.

Captain Stern
06-05-2005, 00:13
Wasn't Magnus the largest of 'human' ever? After him I can accept that Ranulf might be the 2nd largest of all humans (as a legacy of Russ' taint). However I've never liked how it was said in the codex that he was 'stronger of arm' than Russ. It doesn't make much sense to me.

Norminator
08-05-2005, 15:02
This might sound very niave, but surely the emperor was the biggest and most powerful human, along with horus?? And they both wore terminator armour.

Sons of Russ
10-05-2005, 04:05
I find that Land Raider thing kind of weird...since I mean he basicly defiled a Machine Spirit which was in the Land Raider and threw that in the lava.

As long as the beer fridge had been salvaged, he wouldn't have given it a 2nd thought.... ;)

pretty sure the 2nd Ed. Space Wolves Codex had Ranulf pegged at Strength 7, with a Strength 10 special attack.

The Emperor was the more powerful than the other primarchs; that doesn't mean he had to be the biggest.