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slingersam
12-07-2011, 19:44
Can someone explain the BA's backround before the horus herasy. As well as how would they look on the field

Fear Itself
12-07-2011, 20:09
Can someone explain the BA's backround before the horus herasy. As well as how would they look on the field

During the Great Crusade, the Blood Angels became known as being excellent shock assault troops; and given their portrayal in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's recent novel, Blood Reaver, they're talented marksmen as well - even by marine standards.

Their color scheme is the same as it was then.

I'm not really sure what else you'd like to know. Any specific information you're after?

Sinisterfence
12-07-2011, 20:49
They were particularly noble and friendly until an incident involving the Bloodthirster Ka'Banda (I recall?) who killed hundreds of Blood Angels and broke Sanguinius' legs and KO'd him, and when he regained consciousness his remaining warriors had slaughtered the entire daemon army in a feat of crazed bloodlust (the first incidence of what is now known as the black rage). Other than that as far as I know they were your standard chapter, known for being exceptionally friendly, artistic and (as Fear Itself said) particularly good shock troops. They recruited from the same worlds and the same stock as they do now (Baal and it's moons).

AndrewGPaul
13-07-2011, 07:32
The original Space Marine army list for 1st edition Epic (the closest thing to a "Pre-Heresy" army list) in WD 126 lists them as being close assault specialists (compared to the Space Wolves being drop troop specialists, the Dark Angels having their Death, Iron and Raven Wing companies and the Ultramarines having more techmarines and thus more heavy equipment). Take that as you may; things may have changed in the intervening 21 years.

shadowhawk2008
13-07-2011, 09:31
They haven't changed much in the years since the Heresy with one exception: the curse of Sanguinius' gene-seed, the Black Rage and the Red Thirst. The Sanguinary Guard were originally the primarch's own honour guard.

As others have mentioned, they are particularly more artistic than other chapters, even their own successors (most notably the Flesh Tearers as per James Swallow's novel Red Fury).

When the heresy was breaking out, Horus sent them to the Signus system where a trap had been prepared for them. In an interview with the Overlords (youtube "overlords james swallow) James Swallow says that Signus Prime is the first instance of a proper and full-on daemon invasion in the material realm during the Heresy (and presumably the Great Crusade). It is where the Bloodthirster Ka'Bandha breaks Sanguinius' legs and knocks him unconscious after forcing him to watch as he kills hundreds of Blood Angels.

When Sanguinius wakes up, the daemons (a mixed army of Khornate and Slaaneshi daemons at the least) have been banished. This is no small part due to the first incidence of the Black Rage.

They make their way back to Terra and take part in the siege, defending the Imperial Palace. Sanguinius is noted as having single-handedly defended one of the Gates (Eternity or Annapurna Gate I believe). He meets Ka'Bandha again and this time personally banishes the Bloodthirster.

Later Sanguinius goes with the Emperor to Horus's flagship. It is mentioned that he had the gift of foresight and knew that he would die on the ship (he was suffering from quite a few injuries by now) and still went. He is the first one to confront Horus who offers him one chance to join him in taking over the Imperium. Sanguinius refuses and is then killed.

His death causes another incidence of the Black Rage, as well as the Red Thirst (I could be wrong on this one). His recovered body (by Dorn) is later brought back to Baal by Azkaellon (?) who is the leader of the sanguinary guard (?). Alternatively it is Chapter Master Raldoron who does so.

Sensko
15-07-2011, 02:01
Red Thirst: caused by KaBandha slaughtering some 500 BA while forcing Sangi to watch
1st outbreak: after Sangi is koŽd, the BA go crazy and banish all remaining daemons.
2nd outbreak: sensing the death of their Primarch, the BA defending the Imperial Palace go even more berzerk than the World Eaters, break ranks and drive off the traitor forces.

Black Rage: caused by Sangis last memories and the torture inflicted on him by Horus. All of this is embedded in Sanguinius Blood which is still used to turn recruits into Astartes. Most likely only occured some times after the heresy.


-Sangi is the captain carrot of Primarchs and gets along very well with most of his brothers. He and Horus are best buddies
-lots of jetpacks (uncommon at that time)
-handsome, artistic, proud (no thirst/rage = nothing to be ashamed of)
-more guardian angely, less vampirey

CKO
15-07-2011, 03:00
According to the codex, the Blood Angels acted as the Honor Guard for the Emperor in the pre herasy days.

Death Company
15-07-2011, 03:40
According to the codex, the Blood Angels acted as the Honor Guard for the Emperor in the pre herasy days.

To be fair, almost every Legion has had this said of them.

Apparently the Emperor had a massive honor-guard, comprised of some of every Legion.

CKO
15-07-2011, 20:03
All maybe at one point in time served as his honor guard, but that was the Blood Angels role. The Blood Angels and Imperial Fist made up the majority of the defense on Terra, and Sanguinius accompanied the Emperor aboard the Vengeful Spirit.

ryng_sting
16-07-2011, 13:09
Black Rage: caused by Sangis last memories and the torture inflicted on him by Horus. All of this is embedded in Sanguinius Blood which is still used to turn recruits into Astartes. Most likely only occured some times after the heresy.

Black Rage is the visions and the temporary surge of power. The Red Thirst is the need to drink blood, and follows Black Rage.

The first incident of Black Rage is Signus, and is triggered again immediately after Sanguinius's death. The implication, therefore, is that it might have been latent in the BA's gene-seed all along.

GitzBlasta
16-07-2011, 19:38
The White Scars were also a major force in the defence of Terra.

Wyrmwood
16-07-2011, 19:49
First, it was the Dark Angels. During the latter Crusade it was the Imperial Fists. It's annoying how Mat Ward introduced some wonderful retcons in Codex: Blood Angels, such as Sanguinius being the de-facto Warmaster and overall commander of the siege and not Dorn as well; as the Blood Angels forming the Emperor's bodyguard and not the Dark Angels.

CKO
16-07-2011, 21:29
Stop hating on my Primarch, the Imperial Fist and Dorn were by my sources the praetorians of the Emperor they acted as the strategic reserve for the crusade. Dorn was also put in control of building the defense of terra. I cannot find a source that says that the Dark Angels was once the honor guard, they were fighting with the Space Wolves when they found out about the Heresy. The Blood Angels was one of the few legions that took on the grunt of the fighting.

Death Company
17-07-2011, 00:17
Stop hating on my Primarch, the Imperial Fist and Dorn were by my sources the praetorians of the Emperor they acted as the strategic reserve for the crusade. Dorn was also put in control of building the defense of terra. I cannot find a source that says that the Dark Angels was once the honor guard, they were fighting with the Space Wolves when they found out about the Heresy. The Blood Angels was one of the few legions that took on the grunt of the fighting.

Index Astartes, Dark Angels. They were the first Legion created.

Logically, why would he create an honor-guard of a later made Legion?

As a Blood Angel player, even I find it goofy that we were copy-pasta-placed in such an important place, without there being any real reason to do so, aside from making us seem more badass.

Wyrmwood
17-07-2011, 00:21
Stop hating on my Primarch, the Imperial Fist and Dorn were by my sources the praetorians of the Emperor they acted as the strategic reserve for the crusade. Dorn was also put in control of building the defense of terra. I cannot find a source that says that the Dark Angels was once the honor guard, they were fighting with the Space Wolves when they found out about the Heresy. The Blood Angels was one of the few legions that took on the grunt of the fighting.
I'm not hating on Dorn. :eyebrows: In fact, my point was that Ward's retcons in Codex: Blood Angels are stupid. Read the Codex, if you can: Sanguinius was apparently the de facto Warmaster, and not Dorn, according to Mat Ward. About the Dark Angels, I think it may be mentioned in one of the Horus Heresy novels, or Angels of Darkness; not that everything Astelan says is reliable. Besides that, Death Company's logic is pretty sound.

CKO
17-07-2011, 02:31
Its Matt Ward thats what he does, makes amazing rules and then takes a break when it comes to the fluff

Wyrmwood
17-07-2011, 12:43
Its Matt Ward thats what he does, makes amazing rules and then takes a break when it comes to the fluff
Amazing rules? Does the phrase Codex Creep mean anything to you? :p