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Grok
06-08-2011, 09:19
I was wondering, since I got my hands on some of the old Heroquest minis (FIMIRS!!) if Heroquest minis are considered legal in GW tournies, from what I gathered they where made by Citadel. After all Fimirs are unique to GW as far as I know.
Anyone knows?
P.S had now idea where to post this thread so I slapped it in the General Discussion.

shelfunit.
06-08-2011, 10:30
Technically, yes. HQ was a GW/MB partnership game (I asume with GW providing all the info and MB doing the mass production). I just checked a (very) old WD (117 for those interested) and in the mailorder section in the back the game is clearly described as containing...

35 plastic citadel miniatures
So yes, you should be fine using them.

Sleazy
06-08-2011, 10:40
I remember back in the day when Heroquest and Space Crusade were being sold we werent allowed to use the minis instore as the manager insisted they werent REAL citadel minis as they were by MB.

I think nowadays as long as the tourney is ok with old minis you should be ok, they are accepted as citadel. Might be best if you re base them though.

rickie8437
06-08-2011, 10:41
not sure but i do know that in my local GW store, a young lad was asked to take his space hulk terminators off the table as there "not 40k models, but Space Hulk models"

so not sure if they may try that one will you, if you use hero quest or OOP models

ive always wanted to finish building my RTB01 marine army and take it to my local store to play, to see what they would say as the models are older than most of the staff members lol

rik

winterdyne
06-08-2011, 10:45
You might want to point out the Space Hulk termies in the BA Codex to your store manager, Rickie. Sounds like he needs a nice tall mug of STFU.

Dryaktylus
06-08-2011, 10:57
Afaik GW never sold Heroquest or Space Crusade miniatures separately as they did with their own games (Space Hulk, Advanced Space Crusade or Advanced Heroquest) and they're not listed in the Citadel Catalogues. Maybe they had no rights for them.

rickie8437
06-08-2011, 10:58
yeah i know, i guess its because he was a young lad and like most of the staff in that store, they dont seem to know much about the hobby other than the cost of the items on the shelves. I did once hear a staff member tell every one how cool the new Grey Knights are, with there force weapons that dont let you get an armour saved and an INV save lol

rik

shelfunit.
06-08-2011, 11:54
Afaik GW never sold Heroquest or Space Crusade miniatures separately as they did with their own games (Space Hulk, Advanced Space Crusade or Advanced Heroquest) and they're not listed in the Citadel Catalogues. Maybe they had no rights for them.

WD 117 - for the not too bad sum of 19.99

EDIT: You are corect -not the individual minis, but they did sell the game officially, and using that logic the Empire troops from 6th Ed warhammer box should not be allowed to be used either...

yabbadabba
06-08-2011, 13:32
not sure but i do know that in my local GW store, a young lad was asked to take his space hulk terminators off the table as there "not 40k models, but Space Hulk models" There is a very real point there, but it is more to do with an over zealous interpretation of GWs definition of the individual IPs.

We also have to realise that many staff potentially working for GW would have "discovered" their games only 6-10 years ago, and the back catalogues were grossly devoid of the history of the models as are, to be honest, GWs public facing departments.

The reason many of us crusties on here know so much about the old stuff is either because a) we need a life or b) we were there. I am probably guilty of both.

edit: They are citadel minis. I have seen someone at WhW 5 years ago with a 40K marine army based on Citadel Daleks - awesome :D. However I know that policies have changed and we might be back to that old "1994" mentality again.

Dryaktylus
06-08-2011, 20:02
EDIT: You are corect -not the individual minis, but they did sell the game officially, and using that logic the Empire troops from 6th Ed warhammer box should not be allowed to be used either...

Why? They were part of the Empire Battleforce.

Yes, they sold the game via Mail Order. But when I check the Citadel Catalogues I see the miniatures from Space Hulk, Avanced Space Cusade, Advanced Heroquest, Spacefleet, Space Marine, Mighty Empires and Blood Bowl. And the games btw.. But neither Heroquest/Space Crusade nor the miniatures. On the other hand the old LotR models ARE in the catalogues as GW had the license to produce them.

So I guess MB/Hasbro used GWs IP (and their Design(er)s) but hold all rights for the games AND the miniatures (I suppose they produced them themselves - the plastic was quite different). Later they cancelled their deal with GW and so Advanced Space Crusade turned into Tyranid Attack and Advanced Heroquest into Warhammer Quest but as these were GW-only games the miniatures were used again.

I guess a similar case would happen when FFG loses the GW license. Neither GW nor FFG could produce the miniatures for Horus Heresy or Chaos in the Old World any more. FFG because they're GW IP and GW because they're not theirs.

Hendarion
06-08-2011, 20:06
I'm regularly using StarQuest Eldar in our local GW store for Apoc-games. I've never been asked to pack them or leave. Just to say it, even if it doesn't mean a bit.

Grimtuff
06-08-2011, 20:20
not sure but i do know that in my local GW store, a young lad was asked to take his space hulk terminators off the table as there "not 40k models, but Space Hulk models"


Using that logic then one cannot use WHFB models (thus making many of my SW and CSM models disallowed) in 40k armies and vice versa... :eyebrows:

I truly have heard everything come from the 4th contact points of the GW numpty brigade now. This is up there with the old GT rules where all the models had to be current.

Dryaktylus
06-08-2011, 20:24
I'm regularly using StarQuest Eldar in our local GW store for Apoc-games. I've never been asked to pack them or leave. Just to say it, even if it doesn't mean a bit.

Well, I too use some Space Marines (aka Galaxy Safe Guard:rolleyes:) or bits (Weapons or the Tarantula) from that game.

But @Grok... I wanted to ask that earlier... you do not plan to use the HQ Fimirs as SoM Balefiends, do you?:eyebrows:

starlight
06-08-2011, 20:28
Back in the dawn of 3rd Ed 40K GW tried (and thankfully failed miserably) to enforce:

*Only models from the current Edition allowed in store.*

:eyebrows:

It's been tried since then by a few overzealous managers, but it meets with the same result every time.

...which indirectly resulted in the current *Only Citadel Models allowed in store.* policy.

Grok
06-08-2011, 20:54
Well, I too use some Space Marines (aka Galaxy Safe Guard:rolleyes:) or bits (Weapons or the Tarantula) from that game.

But @Grok... I wanted to ask that earlier... you do not plan to use the HQ Fimirs as SoM Balefiends, do you?:eyebrows:
No, actualy I don't have the book and I have no idea what this Balefiend is :p
Wanted to know if they were Citadel minis mostly for my obsession with being "official" even though I don't go to turnies. Thought I might use him as a Chaos champion of or something...

Dryaktylus
06-08-2011, 21:25
No, actualy I don't have the book and I have no idea what this Balefiend is :p

The Balefiend is a male Fimir sorcerer (Dirach) and Monstrous Infantry (like all Fimirs should).


Wanted to know if they were Citadel minis mostly for my obsession with being "official" even though I don't go to turnies. Thought I might use him as a Chaos champion of or something...

Hum, a bit tiny for a champion. But apart from legal/license stuff they're part of GWs IP. So use them if you want to.:)

Grok
07-08-2011, 07:01
Yeah thanks for everyone that posted here, you put my mind at ease.
Right after I was convinced that it was made by GW I went about painting it with Greyish colour scheme and anciant bronze armaments, I'll post a picture of it as soon as I find my camera :D

AlphariusOmegon20
08-08-2011, 05:14
If anyone gives you any guff about it, point out to them that on the back of the game box it clearly said "Games Workshop". It's in big yellow and red letters, just under the SKU code of the box.

AndrewGPaul
08-08-2011, 08:51
I've got a Citadel Miniatures Klingon Bird of Prey somewhere. I always wanted to use it in a game of Battlefleet Gothic in a GW store, but I doubt there'll be an opportunity for that now. :(

I'm sure I used to use Space Crusade marines in my army, and used them in GW once upon a time. Like with many things, it depends on the attitude of the staff.

ColShaw
08-08-2011, 20:18
Yup, I've got (several) HeroQuest boxes with the GW letters on them.

Loved that game.

rayrod64
17-08-2011, 18:03
When I worked in GW we would allow models that were older or from specialist games such as mordheim figs in a Empire Army...

Grimtuff
17-08-2011, 18:45
When I worked in GW we would allow models that were older or from specialist games such as mordheim figs in a Empire Army...

See, I really do not get why some kind of special allowances had to be made. Oh noes he's using a Mordheim Vampire in a VC army, what could he possibly be using it for!?!

They are all GW models and it stymies conversion opportunities to have such a rule, ever since i've been in this hobby even GW has said just because it says one thing on the blister does not mean it cannot be used for something else.

starlight
17-08-2011, 21:41
It's simple really, GW wants every model you use to be available for immediate purchase in case little Timmy goes, "Hey that's cool, I want one, mommy, mommy get me one now!". *shrug*

iamjack42
19-08-2011, 13:51
It's simple really, GW wants every model you use to be available for immediate purchase in case little Timmy goes, "Hey that's cool, I want one, mommy, mommy get me one now!". *shrug*

That's why they ban greenstuffed conversions.

Malorian
19-08-2011, 14:34
I don't know about you guys but the GW stores are a lot more lax around here.

I used the mordheim vampire (funny you brought it up) for years and didn't hear a thing about it, and now I have an avatars of war warboss I use and no one has cared.

We have to remember that jerks are on a case by case basis and you can't lump all of GW together in one group.

starlight
21-08-2011, 06:31
It's less about them being 'jerks' and more about the attitudes of the local and regional management. If sales are up and targets are met then things are more likely to be 'overlooked'. :shifty: However, if the store is being scrutinised and visited for failing to meet targets/etc, then you can likely expect a more strict approach.

...and then some people are just more overzealous than others... :(

Grok
20-09-2011, 15:41
Sorry about the thread ressurection, but I did promise to take a picture of that Fimir, only now I've got a new camera and took the pictures.
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Deff Mekz
20-09-2011, 21:55
:angel:Heroquest:angel: How I love thee... Ahem...

I should say you'd be alright using them, there still citadel miniatures afterall.

Also, FIMIRS! :D

Deff

Zaustus
21-09-2011, 04:02
I'm glad there are no GW stores where I live, so I feel no compulsion to ONLY USE CITADEL MINIATURES ZOMG. The entire concept irks me to no end.

But I love me some HeroQuest! I have that box, and two boxes of BattleMasters, on my shelf. :D

ArtificerArmour
25-09-2011, 10:41
http://simonfisherrofl.blogspot.com/2011/07/storm-of-magic-fimir-balefiend-and.html

I'm taking this bad boy to the storm of magic campaign weekend at warhammer world in january. I'll be damned if they ask me to put him away!