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ashendant
31-08-2011, 02:08
Who are they and it's ever explained why they disappeared?

Their name implies they are related to time

Chem-Dog
31-08-2011, 02:50
They were, if memory serves, interested in the possibility of utilising warp based time dialation, essentially, time travel (as the cleverly coded name suggests :rolleyes: ).
One presumes they succeeded, in some way, in their experiments and were catapulted a great amount of time in one direction or the other.


And they were a single Ordo. Ordos is the plural.


I don't truck much with these sub-Ordos types, they're "special interest" groups that ahould really just be working groups working from within one (or more) of the three.

ODINM4
31-08-2011, 07:55
So they have gone back in time and they are the ones who help th Big E create the GK's:cheese:

Xisor
31-08-2011, 10:59
I don't truck much with these sub-Ordos types, they're "special interest" groups that ahould really just be working groups working from within one (or more) of the three.

I rather disagree. They're special interests groups, but they're also inter-disciplinary. If you're studying possessed alien psykers? Perhaps some psycheneuein? Is that Xenos or Malleus? Or Hereticus?

Like the Ordo Sepulturum, studying zombies is pretty cool, but not tied to any one of the major ordos.

Generally, I found the idea that 'the three ordos divide and span the bulk of the Inquisition' a bit silly. Hence my liking of the 'Gentlemen's Club'/Newsroom-in-Space imagery for the Ordos, rather than the 'departments of the space police' one everyone tends to opt for.

Scalebug
31-08-2011, 11:33
It's just one of those, maybe not hundreds, but let's say dozens, of oneliners and short throwaway mentions in 40K background that has alway littered the books for flavour without direct intention to be further developed...

...inevetably leading to internet conspiracy thoeries and whines of how GW don't care about the background and how it was previously so much move detailed and idiot shouts of "Baaaahh! They retconned X!".

One can guess it has to do with Timetravel, because if it is merely about something like "history" it would be rather dull...

Time travel references in 40K fluff includes Warp Travel gone wrong, the whole deal of the Eldar being rumoured to have paths of the webway leading through time as well as space (but forbidding themselves to use it because of the dangers, the "going through it and stepping on a butterfly"-thing...), and in the RT BRB scenario-ideas table there being on suggestion of a game where timetravellers from the future are deemed to dangerous to be allowed to live by the Inqusition and a killteam going after them.

Bold_or_Stupid
31-08-2011, 12:24
and in the RT BRB scenario-ideas table there being on suggestion of a game where timetravellers from the future are deemed to dangerous to be allowed to live by the Inqusition and a killteam going after them.

Thats no time traveller from the future thats the Gods cursed Doctor!

Col. Tartleton
31-08-2011, 12:50
There are perhaps thousands of Ordos. Wheels within wheels. Every topic of study and specialty has its devoted alumni and their minions. Ordo Chronos is the study and use of warp time and stuff and its effects on things.

There is only one Inquisition. Every Inquisitor is an Inquisitor. Their areas of expertise are a mix of their interests and necessity. Coteaz and Kryptmann are both Lord Inquisitors. Coteaz specializes in Demonic infestations and Kryptmann has dedicated himself to destroying the Hive Fleets at all costs. But if Kryptmann runs into the possessed genestealers of sh**hitthefania VI while he's not an expert himself I'm sure he has some associates on speed dial he can call in.

That's why the Grey Knights are there to assist against all enemies. They serve the Inquisition. The Inquisition serves mankind as a whole. The GK are great against the Mutant, the Alien, and the Heretic, but they're also the only guys who can take on the Demonic with any real hope of getting away clean. They're like engineers who are immune to radiation, they're good for most jobs, but they'd excel at fixing a nuclear reactor because no one else can.

Harwammer
31-08-2011, 13:42
Ordo Chronos succeeded in travelling back to the heresy where an agent infiltrated Horus's ship and lowered it's shields.

I made that up :(

FlashGordon
31-08-2011, 13:48
Join the "Stop time travell nonsense in 40k" movement now!

khirsath
31-08-2011, 13:56
Don't you mean

"Join the "Stop time travell nonsense in 40k" movement yesterday!"

Joking aside, I wholeheartedly agree with you. 40k does not need time travel.

Xisor
31-08-2011, 15:02
40k has time travel.

Path of the Seer explicitly discusses it. Inquisition War deals with it. Some Heresy stories hinge on it. It's purported in the background. The warp is timeless/weird when it comes to time. You could emerge before you arrived. Or never. It's a good Navigator/luck which gets you there with only mild dilation. Exploring the aspects of these things is inherently important to the setting, yet no-one's brave/confident enough to do it.

I think that's because it's easy to really irritate people with it. I'm will officially have launched the "We already have sensible, decent, non-annoying time travel in 40k, let's explore it cautiously" club next week.

ChrisMurray
31-08-2011, 15:26
I agree that time travel in 40k, although mentioned needs to be explored more. As Xisor mentioned it has been stated many times that its very easy with warp travel to arrive not only in the wrong place but the wrong, both years late and years early. I would love to see the effect on a ship that is spat out of the warp before it left, and how the crew react. Also to see if any events in 40k have been effected by "people from the future". Maybe some of these bad guys that seem to always be one step ahead or appear to wait years or decades for a plan to come to fruitation are really just reliving events and manipulating them to their own ends.

Maybe I had already written this reply before the thread even appeared... :shifty:

eldargal
31-08-2011, 15:28
The stuff in Path of the Seer was fascinating, such a good book. Personally I hope time travel in 40k is just hinted at vaguely and kepts very hhush-hush. Last thing I want to see is 40k do what Star Trek used to do. Or even further. Buy Calgar a tweed coat and a bow tie and call it a day. Maybe a nice bowler hat too, so long as some stupid bint who should never have been introduced into the story doesn't go destroying it like she did that fez and stetson.:shifty:

Xisor
31-08-2011, 15:31
Maybe a nice bowler hat too, so long as some stupid bint who shuld neverh ave been introduced into the story doesn't go destroying it like she did that fez and stetson.:shifty:

I'd leave that to Inquisitor Czevak, myself. (Atlas Infernal's Czevak has some utterly delightful Second/Third Doctor vibes going on.)

Tay051173096
31-08-2011, 15:35
I'd leave that to Inquisitor Czevak, myself. (Atlas Infernal's Czevak has some utterly delightful Second/Third Doctor vibes going on.)

It's brilliant, and has time travel as well.

In blood reaver there is a part where two marines meet up and on has seen 20 year pass while the other 30 years, its a nice touch.

FlashGordon
31-08-2011, 18:21
I agree that time travel in 40k, although mentioned needs to be explored more. As Xisor mentioned it has been stated many times that its very easy with warp travel to arrive not only in the wrong place but the wrong, both years late and years early. I would love to see the effect on a ship that is spat out of the warp before it left, and how the crew react. Also to see if any events in 40k have been effected by "people from the future". Maybe some of these bad guys that seem to always be one step ahead or appear to wait years or decades for a plan to come to fruitation are really just reliving events and manipulating them to their own ends.

Maybe I had already written this reply before the thread even appeared... :shifty:

Na Time travel is just too complex and stupid to make compelling stories.
In the end it will all just end up as like this: Protagonist escapes through time(new universe "created") and beats the crap out of the antagonist before he gets his uberpowers. Well, now we have 2 40k universes because the antagonist in the other universe is still very much alive. etc etc.
Time travel bleeds the setting imo and just makes it less interesting because you know that both the bad guy won and the good one(in separate universes). Ugh.:chrome:

agurus1
31-08-2011, 19:29
actually would separate universes need to be created? A ship entering the Warp essentially doesn't exist in the material universe until it reemerges, so its not like there could be two of them in the future, and there certainly wouldn't be more than one of them if they showed up during the Horus Heresy say! Besides I have a feeling that all of the ships that are powerful enough or carry enough men to have a major effect on Galaxy spanning events (seriously though what kind of ship would that be? Planetkiller? or the Imperial Fists chapter-fortress-ship thing?) all have such powerful navigators/gellar fields that it would be nigh on improbable for them to become so lost in the war that they would time travel to any significant degree.

On the other hand, ships like escorts, rogue traders, or merchant men certainly get lost all the time I'm sure! It would be very interesting if ships from the Dark Age of Technology appeared in the current Timeline!!! that would make for a good story driven campaign!

KharnTheBetrayer01
31-08-2011, 22:00
I fully support the "Marneus Calgar as Time Lord" angle, if only because I'm amused by the idea of a dreadnaught thats Bigger on the inside. And amused that Ultramarine TableTop rhinos are already Big Blue Boxes with amazing space management (there's no way you can fit ten Space marines into those cramps confines... certainly not in a way that they could get out with any elegance)

As for time travel in general... Sure, why not. The warp is crazy and Radical Inquisitors need a new way to mess with the fabric of reality now that deamonic weapons are overplayed

ashendant
01-09-2011, 02:41
i asked this because in the black crusade it's mentioned that the deathwatch had a operation with the ordo chronos

Imperialis_Dominatus
01-09-2011, 03:21
Ravenor.

Also a Warboss found himself back in time, and killed his former self to get a second copy of his favorite gun. The Waaagh! he was leading promptly ground to a halt.

Iuris
01-09-2011, 07:17
One of the funniest pieces of Ork fluff, indeed :)

Harwammer
01-09-2011, 08:15
I'd leave that to Inquisitor Czevak, myself. (Atlas Infernal's Czevak has some utterly delightful Second/Third Doctor vibes going on.)

The Doctor, eh?

"You've got a time machine, I've got a gun. What the hell? Let's kill Horus!"

Xisor
01-09-2011, 12:01
The Doctor, eh?

"You've got a time machine, I've got a gun. What the hell? Let's kill Horus!"
If you view webway portals as doorways, they're certainly...bigger on the inside.

(For those reading who're feeling slightly :shifty: or :eyebrows: about what's been said about Atlas Infernal, don't feel that way! It's an excellent novel. :) )

FlashGordon
01-09-2011, 16:23
actually would separate universes need to be created? A ship entering the Warp essentially doesn't exist in the material universe until it reemerges, so its not like there could be two of them in the future, and there certainly wouldn't be more than one of them if they showed up during the Horus Heresy say! Besides I have a feeling that all of the ships that are powerful enough or carry enough men to have a major effect on Galaxy spanning events (seriously though what kind of ship would that be? Planetkiller? or the Imperial Fists chapter-fortress-ship thing?) all have such powerful navigators/gellar fields that it would be nigh on improbable for them to become so lost in the war that they would time travel to any significant degree.

On the other hand, ships like escorts, rogue traders, or merchant men certainly get lost all the time I'm sure! It would be very interesting if ships from the Dark Age of Technology appeared in the current Timeline!!! that would make for a good story driven campaign!

Thats not the time travel i talk about, im talking about backwards travelling.

Xisor
01-09-2011, 18:44
Ships entering the warp can end up almost anywhere. Forwards/backwards in time. Different universes. Wrong chirality. The sheer weird possibilities are barely touched on, but getting out 'safely' and in an 'intuitive way' seems actually surprisingly difficult. You've got to be careful to only go 'shallow', afterall.