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Napalm
15-09-2011, 22:06
Hi guys.
We're making a little "tournament" in our club, in fact regular playing, but with a fixed list to avoid some player changing their list against specific race.
Some of the players play only for fun, some to win, so I don't want a terrific tournament army optimised to the last point, but something that can win sometimes.

Here is the list:

Lords:

*Sorcerer lord (235)
Mark of Tzeentch (20)
level 4 (35)
Infernal Puppet (35)
Talisman of preservation (45)
Staff of channelling (15)
385

Heroes:

*Sorcerer (85)
level 2 (35)
Mark of Nurgle (20)
Talisman of Endurance (30)
Dispell Scroll (25)
195

*Sorcerer (85)
level 2 (35)
Lore of Death
Talisman of protection (15)
135

*Exalted hero (110)
Mark of Tzeench (10)
Battle Standard (25)
Shield (5)
Blasted Standard (40)
190

Core:

*42 marauders (168)
Mark of Nurgle (30)
Shields (42)
Light Armour (42)
musician (4)
Champion (8)
Standard Bearer (8)
302

*5 chaos warhounds (30)
30

*5 chaos warhounds (30)
30

*32 warriors (480)
Mark of Khorne (30)
Musician (6)
Champion (12)
Standard Bearer (12)
additionnal weapon (32)
572

*28 warriors (420)
Mark of Nurgle (30)
Musician (6)
Champion (12)
Standard Bearer (12)
Shields (28)
508

Rare:

*Chaos Warshrine (150)
150

Total:2497

Well, I've managed to keep the "sacred numbers" of the marks of the gods for the units, and I like it.
I've hesitated with lore of Fire and Death for the "unmarked" sorcerer.
Got maybe too much magical objects and maybe missing something punchy (a Manticore? A dragon? A cannon, a Shaggoth?)

What do you think?
Thanks in advance.

michaells
15-09-2011, 23:42
im kinda new to woc but a group of 32 and 28 warriors seem to big to me drop em down to 18 6x3 and maybye get a cannon or somethin

Napalm
16-09-2011, 09:11
Thanks.
Why not !

I've already seen a unit of 30 warriors almost killed by Skaven Warp Cannons, and that way I could tested a horde of 10x3 warriors to do a lot of attacks.
Is the hellcanon effective?

mo-man
16-09-2011, 12:18
the hellcannon is good if you have no mage's but considering your army is a very magic heavy army if it misfire's and you roll badly all of a sudden you can see all your wizards die due to it misfiring

SlayerMonka
16-09-2011, 17:02
Hi guys.
We're making a little "tournament" in our club, in fact regular playing, but with a fixed list to avoid some player changing their list against specific race.
Some of the players play only for fun, some to win, so I don't want a terrific tournament army optimised to the last point, but something that can win sometimes.

Here is the list:

Lords:

*Sorcerer lord (235)
Mark of Tzeentch (20)
level 4 (35)
Infernal Puppet (35)
Talisman of preservation (45)
Staff of channelling (15)
385


I normally just field a shadow lord. pres, puppet, and some form of magic shield.


Heroes:

*Sorcerer (85)
level 2 (35)
Mark of Nurgle (20)
Talisman of Endurance (30)
Dispell Scroll (25)
195

*Sorcerer (85)
level 2 (35)
Lore of Death
Talisman of protection (15)
135


2 back up sorcerers. I would only take one. with a 3rd eye of tzeentch, nothing better than killing your opponent units with his own spells.
Also that a 330pts spent on just 2 sorcerers.
So instead
sorcer, lvl 2, fire, spell familiar, enchanted shield. /130pts



*Exalted hero (110)
Mark of Tzeench (10)
Battle Standard (25)
Shield (5)
Blasted Standard (40)
190

where is the BSB going? if in a unit of warriors, why not give them the blasted standard. and buy the BSB protective gear and a halberd. remember that will be 4 str 6 attack at ws 7.
Also there is the 100pts bonus for killing the BSV. Why not give the talisman of endurance to the BSB, this mean a 4+ ward save.

My normal BSB build is

Exalted, BSB, MoT, endurance, halberd/178pts



Core:

*42 marauders (168)
Mark of Nurgle (30)
Shields (42)
Light Armour (42)
musician (4)
Champion (8)
Standard Bearer (8)
302

If this a bunker unit why take the MoT, its 20pts cheaper and propable more useful. just most people will target it with stone thowers and cannons, so the MoN has no effect



*5 chaos warhounds (30)
30

*5 chaos warhounds (30)
30


good, they are brilliant units for screens, re-directions, and possible flank charges.



*32 warriors (480)
Mark of Khorne (30)
Musician (6)
Champion (12)
Standard Bearer (12)
additionnal weapon (32)
572


I just feel this unit is too big. break it down into 2 units of 18.



*28 warriors (420)
Mark of Nurgle (30)
Musician (6)
Champion (12)
Standard Bearer (12)
Shields (28)
508

I would say too big again reduce by 8 to 10 warriors. Or drop completely.



Rare:

*Chaos Warshrine (150)
150

Total:2497


I take it the shrine has a mark of tzeentch. the shrine is only 130pts basic.



Well, I've managed to keep the "sacred numbers" of the marks of the gods for the units, and I like it.
I've hesitated with lore of Fire and Death for the "unmarked" sorcerer.
Got maybe too much magical objects and maybe missing something punchy (a Manticore? A dragon? A cannon, a Shaggoth?)

What do you think?
Thanks in advance.

with the changes I have suggest that 740pts save. you could take 18 choosen with halberds, full command, wailing banner and favours. leaving 311pts to play with.

Then take to unmarked chariots for smashing flanks. leaving 71pts for other grubbings.

That just my thoughts. Up to you though.

Napalm
18-09-2011, 11:14
Thanks a lot for the advises guys !


the hellcannon is good if you have no mage's but considering your army is a very magic heavy army if it misfire's and you roll badly all of a sudden you can see all your wizards die due to it misfiring

I see. As I like magic heavy and also because we'll sometimes play the same army in Storm of magic games (I'll add something like a black dragon & a Chimera) I don't really want to reduce the sorcerers, but I try to reduce the cost. And will avoid the cannon.


Why not give the talisman of endurance to the BSB, this mean a 4+ ward save.
You're right for the bsb, I can give the blasted standard to the warriors instead.



If this a bunker unit why take the MoT, its 20pts cheaper and propable more useful. just most people will target it with stone thowers and cannons, so the MoN has no effect. Ok, will do this sounds good too.


I take it the shrine has a mark of tzeentch. the shrine is only 130pts basic.
Yes.

For the warriors, Ok i'll make more little unit.

Napalm
18-09-2011, 11:58
Based on some of your suggestions, I've now got a draft like this:

Lords

*Chaos sorcerer Lord:
Mark of Tzeentch, level 4, Talisman of preservation, Infernal Puppet, Third Eye of Tzeentch
395 points

Heroes

*Chaos Sorcerer 1:
Level 2, Mark of Nurgle, Dispell Scroll
165 points

*Chaos Sorcerer 2
Level 2, Lore of fire, Talisman of protection
135 points

*Exalted Heroes
Mark of Tzeench, Battle Standard, Enchanted shield, Talisman of Endurance, Halberd.
184 points

Core:

* Marauders:
42 Chaos Marauder, Mark of Tzeentch, shields, Light Armour, Full command.
292 points

*Chaos Warhounds A:
5 dogs
30 points

*Chaos Warhounds B:
5 dogs
30 points

*Chaos Warriors A:
24 warriors, Mark of Khorne, additional weapon, Blasted Standard, Full command
484 Points

*Chaos Warriors C:
21 warriors, Mark of Nurgle, Shields, full command
396 points

Rare:

*Chaos Warshrine
130

So I've got 259 points left.
Can cut some more (remove some warriors/marauders and go without the chaos number, 40 marauders & 2x20 warriors, remove some magical stuff or even the nurgle sorcerer).

I know it's still Heroes & magic heavy, but well, that's the way I like warhammer (I begun with the 4rth ed, maybe that's the reason :angel: ).

Here is the stuff i've got in stock:
-Various Heroes (all gods, mounted or not...)
-15 chaos knights (well, tested last time, seems too expensive now)
-10 marauders on horse
-a shaggoth
-3 dragon ogres
-3 chaos trolls
-20 more marauders (with flails)
-10 chosens

I'm planning to paint this army with my club as in "war diary - tales of xx gamers" so I could save to buy anything missing (chariots, more warriors...)

A few more questions:

-Is the shaggoth any good? (I love the mini)
-What about halberds? I think that heavy weapons aren't good for warriors because of the loss of initiative, but are halberds + shield useful, or just too expensive?
-What about Flail for marauders?
-Are chosens ok? I think they're very expensive and could be wiped out easily.
-Would you field the sorcerer on a disk or in a unit?

I could adjust the list and add another unit of warriors, a little unit of chosens, more dogs, another unit of marauders, some marauder on horse...

Thanks again for your help.

mo-man
18-09-2011, 13:02
As you got the point's why dontcha give your unit of warriors with MoN the banner of rage? Frenzied nurgle warriors are pretty nasty. And personally I love chosen but as you may well know they are very expensive a unit of 10 with full command halbards and shields is very expensive. But if you take them always give your champ favour of the god's, ALWAYS

Napalm
18-09-2011, 15:45
Thanks again for the advises, sounds good !
Will try to finish the draft tomorrow.

Napalm
18-09-2011, 16:01
Well, I think that's it:

Lords

*Chaos sorcerer Lord:
Mark of Tzeentch, level 4, Talisman of preservation, Infernal Puppet, Third Eye of Tzeentch
395 points

Heroes

*Chaos Sorcerer 1:
Level 2, Mark of Nurgle, Dispell Scroll
165 points

*Chaos Sorcerer 2
Level 2, Lore of fire, Talisman of protection
135 points

*Exalted Heroes
Mark of Tzeench, Battle Standard, Enchanted shield, Talisman of Endurance, Halberd.
184 points

Core:

* Marauders:
46 Chaos Marauder, Mark of Tzeentch, shields, Light Armour, Full command.
316 points

*Chaos Warhounds A:
5 dogs
30 points

*Chaos Warhounds B:
5 dogs
30 points

*Chaos Warriors A:
20 warriors, Mark of Khorne, additional weapon, Blasted Standard, Full command
420 Points

*Chaos Warriors C:
20 warriors, Mark of Nurgle, Shields, full command, banner of rage
415 points

Special:
*10 chosens, mark of Tzeentch, halberds, full command, shields, champion has favour of the gods & ironcurse Icon.
280 points

Rare:

*Chaos Warshrine
130

= exactly 2500 points.
Thanks a lot for your help again guys.
What do you think?

SlayerMonka
19-09-2011, 10:52
the choosen champion has enchanted items, which not allowed. also I would say the unit of choosen is too small really. you do really think paying 28pts per model is worth while.

either beef it up or change it out for 3 dragon orges with great weapons.

Also you cant use the enchanted shield with a halberd in combat. and also the hero should be in unit. So basically the enchanted shield is useless.
I would give the enchanted shield to the sorcerer lord.

I noticed earlier you were asking about sorcerer on disc, they can be good. If you were running the lord on a disc, I would out the preservation of the golden eye. Actually you got do a straight swap.

Napalm
19-09-2011, 11:34
Ok, thanks a lot for the tips.
The hero will be in the Khorne warrior's Unit, noted for the shields. Will check If can get some points to add 5 more chosen or switch to dragon ogre.

I really don't like the dragon ogre actual minis, i think that they're damn ugly :cries:

Crithis
19-09-2011, 12:46
the choosen champion has enchanted items, which not allowed.

not true, Chosen Champions can have a magic item up to 25 pts so can have either, but not both

mo-man
19-09-2011, 14:13
Just give your chosen champ favor of the god's and that's it, you don't get the halbard and shield save in combat but you do get it against shooting. If you can find the point's give them the banner of any double's count as insane courage.

Napalm
19-09-2011, 16:22
Based on all your new comments, I've got this (highlighted the changes):

Lords

*Chaos sorcerer Lord:
Mark of Tzeentch, level 4, Talisman of preservation, Infernal Puppet, Third Eye of Tzeentch, Enchanted shield, Dragonhelm
410 points

Heroes:

*Chaos Sorcerer 1:
Level 2, Mark of Nurgle
140 points

*Chaos Sorcerer 2
Level 2, Lore of fire
120 points

*Exalted Heroes
Mark of Tzeench, Battle Standard, Talisman of Endurance, Halberd.
179 points

Core:

* Marauders:
35 Chaos Marauder, Mark of Tzeentch, shields, Light Armour, Full command.
250 points

*Chaos Warhounds A:
5 dogs
30 points

*Chaos Warhounds B:
5 dogs
30 points

*Chaos Warriors A:
20 warriors, Mark of Khorne, additional weapon, Blasted Standard, Full command
420 Points

*Chaos Warriors C:
20 warriors, Mark of Nurgle, Shields, full command, banner of rage
415 points

Special:

*15 chosens, mark of Tzeentch, halberds, full command, shields, champion has favour of the gods.
375 points

Rare:

*Chaos Warshrine
130

= 2499

Looks ok to me.
Thanks again for your help.

SlayerMonka
21-09-2011, 13:38
hey dude, sorry about the typo eariler, what meant to say was. "the choosen champ has 2 enchanted items, which isnt allowed."

The sorcerer has 2 pieces of magic armour, which isnt allowed. so I would drop the dragon helm.

Napalm
21-09-2011, 13:50
No problem for the typo.
Forgot that magic amor detail, I'll give the dragon helm to the BSB.
Thanks again !