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Shyvax
26-09-2011, 10:36
Hey guys, I went to the GD2011 and I manage to get a ticket to one of the seminars sessions.... well what a disappointment!
First we have one guy that says: "if you ask me a question about a product that hasn't been released or announce, here is my answer: Please, look at the white dwarf or the website for additional information, blablabla......"
For half an hour the guy spoke about what has already been release the last year, without any additional news about any upcoming mini or game update.
It was the most pointless seminar I have ever done.... at least I've learn my lesson. I won't go next year.
Anybody else got the same feeling?

Lord_Squinty
26-09-2011, 11:15
Yeah I attended one of those seminars - guys talks for 45 minutes and says nothing - Should've been a politician.
Rambling on about how "Araknarok spiders, stonehorns and the like have ALWAYS been a part of the background, we've (GW) just never mentioned them before..."
Couldnt even just be honest and say - "now we've got the technology, we can introduce bigger gribblies to all the races.."

Forgeworld was a better seminar, showed upcoming books and models, guy was funny and (at least felt) totally honest about what is likely to be made and what has no chance at all.
Also took questions for about 20 minutes.

As for GD itself - it felt really poor with the Total Secrecy Mode that GW have started.
No Necrons, the 3-up and greens were of models that have been out for ages (bar a few like the stonehorn - but thats still a released model)
Just didnt feel anywhere near as good as it used to be.

Shyvax
26-09-2011, 11:47
agreed the guys from forgeworld were very cool and open to discuss upcoming minis.

ArtificerArmour
27-09-2011, 09:43
Its been the forgeworld day rather than games day for a few years now

Mr Maw
27-09-2011, 13:11
I complained about the Seminar to the GW Customer Services team. It was not a seminar, just a chance to waste 45 mins not answering questions.

The worst part was when one person asked when the Finecast issues would be resolved only to get the answer "We don't know". Great customer focus, guys.

But the seminar summed up the day for me - what was there that I couldn't see on the internet or buy from one of the shops/web sites? And I could have done that for free.

DeathBringa
27-09-2011, 13:57
I think this years Games Day was a just a farce in general...

From the stupid way that the retail section was organised with a huge que around the arena, to the waste of time seminar.

To the same guy winning no less than 4 golden daemons.

And the only reason that this year sold out is because it was a lot smaller than previous years, with no where near the amount of good games to play.
thus a lot less good entries to golden daemon.

On the otherhand the armies on parade was a great idea, with loads of great entries, on some great boards...

Zanzibarthefirst
27-09-2011, 14:18
A letter from the CEO of GW


To all Games Day 2011 customers,
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It was great to see you all on Sunday at what proved to be our busiest Golden Demon and Games Day in quite a few years. The gaming tables, hobby areas and displays were packed all day, paricularly the Dreadfleet demo games and our staff have fed back how much they enjoyed talking with you throughout the day. We hope you enjoyed it too.
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It was good to see how popular some of the new activities were, such as the Masterclass demonstrations and Armies on Parade, both of which we will run again next year. We will also continue to show more of the Golden Demon entries on the big screens, which again proved popular. As always the reviews are already under way to build on what worked well and look at what we can do better.
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On the latter, I'd like to apologise to those customers who had to queue for the sales stands in the morning. I'm afraid we were unable to cope with the sheer volume of people wanting the new Warhammer Forge, Forgeworld and Black Library releases. Lessons have been learnt and we will ensure that next year we are better prepared in the sales area so that any queuing is kept to a minimum. I'd like to thank you all for your patience while we sorted this out and I cannot speak highly enough of the behaviour of those in the queue during this time. You were amazing. Thank you. *
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Anyway I hope you all returned home safely and enjoyed sharing your purchases and stories with your friends and families. Keep your eyes posted on the Games Workshop website and your local Hobby Centre Facebook site for more pictures and videos from the day.
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Until next year.
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Mark Wells
CEO

drear
27-09-2011, 14:25
i went to seminar 4, and as people have said i found it very pointless.
the guy presenting it didnt say anything informative and , if id wanted to hear a sales pitch about things in production currently id have stayed in store at home and listened to the local manager.

id not have fallen asleep that way.

however , once the 'panel' started talking it got really interesting, jervis was a star and had a good natter about blood bowl and drewadfleet.
id have had a 45 minuite seminar wth just him any time!

the forgeworld lines were abit big, however speaking to some of the GW staff they had been telling people to stop waiting in line , and to stop clogging up walk ways.
the line was suposed to end at or near the demo tables and not go as far back as the bring and play tables and the build areas.
however nobody listened.

i got in the line for forgeworld about 10.30 after entering golden demon. and i was inside the store area by 10.50 , it was about as much time as id have spent on the website shopping and buying if i was at home.

the staff all day were very helpful and happy, despite the sheer amount of work they were all doing.
i saw a demo table staff member shout waagh without fail all day and he never looked unhappy (:

the forgeworld stands were beutiful as were the tables on show.

i found the amount of dreadfleet to be abit much..8 tables?

the thing that annoyed me and made me feel sisapointed was the conversion tables. this was the table to build and enter a competition..NOT to grab free stuff.
to the guy carrying 20 whirlpools glued together in a tower. you are an ****.
those were for people to build characterfull terrain and enter a competition..not for you to horde all the interesting peices for yourself.

the golden deamon was fun, i didnt place but i know what to do for next year.
one thing i noticed.
i entered the building about 10.15 and there were screens showing entries for GD . those entries shown on the screens were the eventual winners.
it seems like most winners had been choosen well before the deadline.

to the chap who won 4 golden deamons and a slayer sword, good job! that has to be up there with the most trophies won at a gamesday surely!
your entries were astounding.

i saw the 1 diorama i went to gamesday to see, that of the valahallan guardsmen around a fire. our very own warseer entries ! it looked amazing

overall i loved the day, but wished i could have converted or built somthing.

Proiteus
28-09-2011, 13:13
My biggest disapointment was 'project X' that everyone on my coach believed was necrons. Instead just lots and lots of dreadfleet without a single mention of an upcoming release for fantasy or 40k!

Also I heard the White Dwarf team got a grilling in they're seminar mostly about people being unhappy of recieving their copy a week later than everyone else. The team was like 'we're going to be putting lots of exciting stuff in future White Dwarf issues' but refused to answer questions refering to ANY future releases, so with very little to discuss regarding the magazine people instead told them how they felt about GW's new marketing tactic of no black boxes or previews of upcoming releases, why Blood Bowl wasn't the new game release and why no support is planned for the expensive stand alone games?

SunTzu
28-09-2011, 13:16
You have to wonder what the purpose of a WD seminar is, if (a) everyone's already read every previous issue and (b) you're not allowed to talk about future issues. Like... OK... that's fifteen seconds gone establishing the ground rules, what shall we talk about for the next forty-five minutes?

Chaos and Evil
28-09-2011, 13:17
the thing that annoyed me and made me feel sisapointed was the conversion tables. this was the table to build and enter a competition..NOT to grab free stuff.
Pretty sure that you've got that wrong. :-P

blongbling
28-09-2011, 16:16
s.

The worst part was when one person asked when the Finecast issues would be resolved only to get the answer "We don't know". Great customer focus, guys.

you ask the studio team about a production issue and wonder why you don't get an answer, that is the same as asking a caster what the new studio project would be.....

Lord_Squinty
28-09-2011, 17:32
Almost as bad as the guy that wasted his question with "Will you be doing another album like you did with the group Bolt-Thrower"....

Really?, of ALL the questions you could ask Jervis that's the one you go with?

The Satyr
28-09-2011, 17:39
GW needs to realize the internet has more rumors and leaks than ever, their late WD's aren't keeping some people from getting it 1-2 weeks early and divulging its contents. Drop the act, bring back black boxes, bring back the hype.

Shyvax
29-09-2011, 09:51
Almost as bad as the guy that wasted his question with "Will you be doing another album like you did with the group Bolt-Thrower"....

Really?, of ALL the questions you could ask Jervis that's the one you go with?

Hold on you guys had JJ at the seminar? Man I just got a sweaty guy saying that we shouldn't expect any answers to any question about new products?

dijital_llama
29-09-2011, 11:49
Yeah Jervis was in my seminar, number 4, along with Andrew Kendrick, some guy from the studio and the completely annoying and infuriating 'communications manager'. Felt a bit sorry for the studio guy who didn't get asked anything

Blue Firefox
29-09-2011, 13:04
My first Games Day after 20 years in the hobby (don't know why I didn't get around to it earlier) and I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised. I was lucky enough to get to both the Studio and Forge World seminars, the studio line up was Phil Kelly , Jes Goodwin and one of the WD team. Ok so the guy from the PR team who acted as master of ceremonies did tow the part line and refuse to divulge more than limited info, however the rest of the panel were very open.

The Forgeworld seminar was more enlightening, Tony Cottrell alone made it worth attending, got more of an impression as to their decision making process and potential up coming work. Clear desire to work on projects that most of us would appreciate - Ad Mech, retro Marines, possibly more Dark Eldar but up against obvious constraints of time and resources. (Please, please don't take this as any indication that any of the above will be upcoming projects for Forgeworld, just that they said that they'd like to get around to doing them sometime.)

I got caught up in all queuing for the sales stands, did it affect my day, not overly, I was waiting in line for approx 45 mins before I realised I'd miss one of the seminars so dropped out of line and went back a couple of hours later. Not a problem, event only mini and books still available some of the Forgeworld stuff was sold out but managed to pick up much of what I wanted.

Overall I enjoyed the whole experience, was it worth the 30, well factor in the seminar's the opportunity to chat with designers, painters, studio guys, forgeworld, the first hand viewing of world quality painting, and the general atmosphere of the day, I'd definately say yes. Is there room for improvement? Undoubtably yes but Games Day is what you make of it, I'm only disapointed that I haven't attended previously.

Wise Guy Sam
30-09-2011, 01:31
With all the 'rave' reveiws of GD UK, embargo's and the fact that Games Day Australia 2011 is on grand final day for Australia's biggest sport and grand final eve for Australias third ;) biggest sport it's know wonder that this was on the What's New Today section of GW


++ Attention Australia and New Zealand++

If you didn't already know, this Saturday coming (the 1st of October) is Games Day Australia 2011. I've just had a chat to the team over there and they do have a very limited number of tickets still available, so if you want to go, you still can! Give your local Hobby Centre a call as some of them do have a few tickets left (though they're rapidly running out). And, if all else fails, you can still buy them on the door at the event itself, which is being held at the Australian Technology Park in Sydney.

I read phrases like 'running out fast' and 'buy tickets at the door' to actually mean that they have more tickets then they know what to do with.

In saying that I'm sure GW will probably make this a massive event because it's the first Oz GD for quite a few years. I just wonder if the timing may cause a lack of intrest and thus result in GW deciding that GD Australia is a bad idea after all :rolleyes:

zoggin-eck
30-09-2011, 06:49
With all the 'rave' reveiws of GD UK, embargo's and the fact that Games Day Australia 2011 is on grand final day for Australia's biggest sport and grand final eve for Australias third ;) biggest sport it's know wonder that this was on the What's New Today section of GW


Yikes, forgot it was on during the AFL grand final (which means nothing to me as I hate the game, but I know it's big enough to make me working tomorrow in retail pointless as we'll have no customers and complaining staff who'd rather be home.

Really hope it's a good turnout, as I promised myself I'd go at least once, then realised they cancelled it years ago. Should have gone this year just in case!

Binky
30-09-2011, 18:36
Almost as bad as the guy that wasted his question with "Will you be doing another album like you did with the group Bolt-Thrower"....

Really?, of ALL the questions you could ask Jervis that's the one you go with?

Especially as they never released the Bolt Thrower album, I believe, it used GW artwork but I'm pretty sure it was released by another label. The first Warhammer records release was the D-Rok album, then one or two other albums and finally the rather excellent album "Psycho Dead Heads from Outer Space" by Rich Rags!

Bael
30-09-2011, 18:48
To the same guy winning no less than 4 golden daemons.


So? It has happened before and will happen again. Some people are just talented.

BigRob
30-09-2011, 22:27
So? It has happened before and will happen again. Some people are just talented.

This has been done on Warseer allready some time ago and phrases like "Old boys club" and the idea that once your "noticed" you stand a better chance came up alot, not to mention the running theme that people who had gotten thier hands on pre-release models were winning statues with them.........

I for one am glad I missed Games Day, it sounds pretty dire. I went to a seminar back in 2002 for specialist games and it was awesome, Jervis and co talking about all thier plans for Fanatic, How the Demiurg were really the squats and that Warhammer Quest might have a future.

Lord_Squinty
30-09-2011, 22:36
It was far from Dire, in fact this year had more variety than any Ive been to previously - and thats a good few.

You had the usual sales stands and things like large battles, scenery building, seminars,golden daemon etc. but this year included armies on parade, Eavy metal 'tuition', fantasy flight games (with demo games), Computer games, dreadfleet.

All new - all a change to the usual. (with all the usual still there)

Yes, it had its flaws - queues, no preview stuff, but overall was very good.

Also, how can it be an "Old boys club" when the entries are entered by number not name? - maybe these guys really ARE just better painters than the rest of us :rolleyes:)

MT Bucket
03-10-2011, 23:26
I was incredibly disappointed. I've been gaming for over 20 years and have been to the past 5 Games Days (after getting left behind in 1990 by a GW coach I was a touch reticent!) - this was by far the worst.

As many others have said, the total absence of anything new from GW (other than Dreadfleet / Man 'O War v2) was very surprising and a touch galling. I was hoping that there may be some new teasers (Necrons - does GW even remember those? Or Wood Elves?). It is the first Games Day I can remember going to where there was not even a new White Dwarf!

The retail zone was a very good idea but very poorly executed - the area they used is always a chokepoint for access - put the Forgeworld stands in there and you're guaranteed problems!

After the White Dwarf seminar I went to last year (where the staff didn't know what the Demiurg were) I didn't bother this year. Sadly I missed the Forge World seminar though as last year was very good.

I'm losing my patience with GW -White Dwarf is quite often not worth the paper it is printed on (most of the stuff in there should be on the website or the relevant regional edition: I don't care about stores in Europe and want to see something other than a 10 page article on putting together the latest kit!) - bring back some fluff like Index Astartes or some extra material like Apocalypse formations etc. Make it a good read again!

Also instead of redeveloping their neglected ranges they are wasting time on things like Dreadfleet: let's face it Man O'War was a flop first time round (and dropped very quickly by GW for that reason) and Pirates of the Caribbean peaked a few years ago. But if there's a fast buck to be made until the Hobbit comes out...

To his credit Jervis was very candid when he was chatting at the Development stand - Space Hulk was a gamble and they are hoping that Dreadfleet will match the success so they can do more releases like it. He said that they want to redevelop the Necrons / Wood Elves etc. but gave no timescales or indications they were working on them (he could just have a good poker face!). They did a fantastic job with the Dark Eldar but that took over 10 years!

Unfortunately Games Day was just like White Dwarf has been for the past year or two - glossy but lacking content. I won't be going next year - I'll spend the 30 ticket money and 20-30 incidental expenses cash on something worthwhile.

Blue Firefox
05-10-2011, 13:23
Also instead of redeveloping their neglected ranges they are wasting time on things like Dreadfleet: let's face it Man O'War was a flop first time round (and dropped very quickly by GW for that reason) and Pirates of the Caribbean peaked a few years ago. But if there's a fast buck to be made until the Hobbit comes out...

In one of the Studio sessions Phil and Jes gave a pretty convincing answer as to why the specialist ranges won't be coming back any time soon but GW are prepared to putout limited time releases like Space Hulk and Dreadfleet.

Apparently its impacted on by the company's retailing strategy. With so many one staff stores they realise that it would be improbable for that staff member to have an indepth knowledge of all the specialist games, as well as the three core games. There would impact on that persons ability to run demonstration games, know all the rules, paint store armies, etc etc.

However a one off release like Space Hulk requires that one person to pick up and learn the rules for solely that one game, which will also be for a limited time only.

Not saying I agree with their approach rather I can see why they have come to this conclusion.

Jo-Jo
05-10-2011, 16:32
the thing that annoyed me and made me feel sisapointed was the conversion tables. this was the table to build and enter a competition..NOT to grab free stuff.
to the guy carrying 20 whirlpools glued together in a tower. you are an ****.
those were for people to build characterfull terrain and enter a competition..not for you to horde all the interesting peices for yourself.

That was a good friend of mine. And he really wasn't hoarding. He was getting his money worth of a terrible show. Not that I'm insulted.

Grimstonefire
06-10-2011, 14:21
Something slightly more disturbing for me was that supposedly many of the Golden Daemon winners were sorted out by 10:15... Which is quite a long time before it closes for entries.

Or, as I was told it, that they had selected the entries likely to win and that the actual winners did not change much.

Imo it is ok that they select say 5 models in each category relatively early on, but that they consider each new entry up until closing and then decide the winners.

As it is, people like me that entered after 10:30 are left wondering if there was something seriously fishy going on (and I'm not talking about dreadfleet). A mistake I will never make again.

SunTzu
06-10-2011, 15:32
To be fair, easily 95% of the Golden Demon entries are crap. (By Golden Demon standards, anyway. Might still be quite good by most people's terms. But to be one of the best models in the world it needs to be really special). For 95% of them, the staff can look at it and know immediately it's not going to win.

Any implication that it's a fix would assume that all the people who were pre-arranged to win managed to enter by 10:30, which seems unlikely. (For a start, if they know they're going to win, what's the rush?) Or the other possibility is that they'd already entered before the day started... but I'm pretty sure people would notice.

atacam
16-10-2011, 22:01
Well not too sure about when and if winners are picked, but I can honestly say although I was the first to register and get through the door, mine wasn't the first entry in the cabinet....Although I was again the first there????? So where did the other entries come from?!

I can say though that mine was placed intro the cabinet and immediately had a Green sticker placed on it, and then taken off to come back with an Orange sticker too.

Inquisitor Kallus
16-10-2011, 22:21
That was a good friend of mine. And he really wasn't hoarding. He was getting his money worth of a terrible show. Not that I'm insulted.

Sounds like ol fashioned greed to me...

Anyway I don't know whether Gamesday would be that enjoyable for me, I really hate queing. I think the spectacle is pretty good (as i've worked a few before), especially for newer hobbyists and younger kids.

MikeInfinitum
16-10-2011, 22:45
I was sat in the seated crowd as the Golden Demon winners were announced - along with pictures on the big screen. For all categories there was general agreement in the crowd that they had picked them out when looking through the entry cabinets. All the winners were deserved, even the guy who won several.

atacam
16-10-2011, 22:48
I was sat in the seated crowd as the Golden Demon winners were announced - along with pictures on the big screen. For all categories there was general agreement in the crowd that they had picked them out when looking through the entry cabinets. All the winners were deserved, even the guy who won several.

I agreed for the main. I think the Bronze fantasy and gold fantasy single were a bit off, but that's just my opinion.

I definitely dont think it was worthy of the sword. Not taking anything away from his achievement of 5 demons though.