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Morden279
26-09-2011, 15:46
'I am old, my Lord... I know of so many wars. They all seemed so important at the time, but now I don't even remember what they were called... Millions of dead men! I don't know why. Nobody knows... You could so easily stop this war, my Lord. All we have to do is get up, now, quietly, and go home to your Father. You would be the greatest of all the Primarchs...'


As a side project away from my interminable Imperial Guard (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32185), I've decided to attempt something I've been wanting to do for several years: a pre-Heresy Space Marine Legion. Developments in my own painting and modelling skills over the last 5 years coupled with Forgeworld's incredible armour kits has made this ambition an attainable reality.

Why the Iron Warriors? If I had to attempt a PH Legion, I told myself, it would have to be one which later turned traitor. What the Horus Heresy series from the Black Library has done superbly is undermine 10,000 years of Imperial historiography. No one Legion turned traitor wholesale, and the deciding of loyalties during Heresy was not a black/white affair as the events of Istvaan III (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Isstvan_III#.ToDvP-y6M7s) demonstrated. The Iron Warriors were no different. (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Age_of_Darkness_%28Anthology%29#The_Iron_Within) There is, therefore, something profoundly poignant behind the Greek Tragedy of the Horus Heresy: the existence of centuries of faithful service to the Emperor during the Great Crusade, history which has previously only warranted footnotes in the established fluff. It's this service that I wish to recreate.


Army Disposition (1500pts)

HQ
- Warsmith (using Vulkan He'Stan's rules) COMPLETE

Elites
- Ironclads (Sternguard) w/Rhino COMPLETE
- Ironclad Dreadnought w/Mole (Drop Pod)

Troops
- Tactical Squad w/Rhino IN PROGRESS
- Tactical Squad w/Rhino

Heavy Support
- Goliath Siege Tank (Vindicator) COMPLETE
- Goliath Siege Tank (Vindicator)
- Predator Destructor


http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/a/af/IronWarriorPH.jpg

Primary Goals

- Extensive (and exclusive) use of Pre-Heresy equipment.
- Conversion of vehicles to Pre-Heresy patterns and models.
- Employment of Crusade-Era, Roman-inspired Legio Iconography
- Experimentation with Green Stuff casting for icons and insignia.


Resources Intended for Use

Preparation for this project has involved extensive research. I've found some superb existing tutorials on various modelling tecniques which I intend to make use of. Component resources are also listed.

GUIDES:

Mk.II to Mk.I Rhino Conversion Guide by DeSnifter (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225932)
Green Stuff Casting by Melchor (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2242)
Green Stuff Casting by Ferrus Manus (http://ferrusmanus.blogspot.com/2009/09/tutorial-green-stuff-casting-on.html)
Sculpting scrollwork and other elements (http://blackdotbarrel.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/sculpting-scrollwork-and-other-elements.html)
Weathered Tank Tracks (http://thepaintingcorps.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/friday-quick-tip-tabletop-tank-tracks.html)
Grime Streaks (http://ak-interactive.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/streaking-grime.html)
Gunbarrel scorchmarks (http://mikedthreeb.blogspot.com/2010/07/tutorial-how-to-paint-scorched-weapon.html)

HOBBY ACCESSORIES:

AK Interactive Streaking Grime, 'Panzer Grey' (eBay)
AK Interactive Odorless Thinner (eBay)

COMPONENTS:

Urban Warfare Bases by Dark Art Miniatures (http://www.darkartstore.darkartminiatures.com/categories/THEMED-BASING/Urban/)
Deco Beads (Studs and Rivets) (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METALLIC-SILVER-DECO-BEADS-MICRO-MARBLES-FIMO-1MM-/310329194652?pt=UK_Crafts_Beads_CA&hash=item48410fb89c)
Forgeworld: MK.II Crusade Armour (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/MK-II-CRUSADE-ARMOUR.html)
Forgeworld: Mk.III Iron Armour (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/MK-III-IRON-ARMOUR.html)
Forgeworld: SM Character Conversion Set (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/SPACE-MARINE-CHARACTER-CONVERSION-SET.html)
Forgeworld: SM Special Weapons Pack (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/SPACE-MARINE-SPECIAL-WEAPONS-PACK.html)
Forgeworld: Phobos Pattern Bolters (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/SPACE-MARINE-SPECIAL-WEAPONS-PACK.html)
Forgeworld: Repressor Kit (used for Ironclad Rhino) (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Witch_Hunters/REPRESSOR-COMPLETE-KIT.html)
Mk.I Rhino Conversion Kit by Machinator (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301929)
Blood & Skulls Industry (Predator Turrets and Sponsons) (http://stores.ebay.com/Blood-and-Skulls-Industry)
2x1mm magnets for infantry weapon swaps (ebay) (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Neodymium-Disc-Magnets-2x1-mm-Craft-Warhammer-Models-2mm-x-1mm-Grade-N40-/160973970649?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item257acbdcd9)
MaxminiEU: Leather Pteruges/Straps (http://www.maxmini.eu/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=175)
Blight Wheel Miniatures: Bionic Arms & Tool Attachments (http://www.blightwheelminiatures.com/bionic-arms-and-servo-arms)


HOW I PAINT (See also 'GUIDES' listed above):

[Over Chaos Black Base Coat]

Iron Warriors Dark Armour
Boltgun Metal
Devlan Mud Wash
Badab Black Wash
Boltgun Metal - Line-highlight edges of armour, drybrush prominent flat surfaces (vambraces, greaves)
Chainmail - Extreme highlight for upper surfaces of armour, such as top of helmet (employ sparingly!)
Badab Black Wash

Iron Warriors Dark/Tanned Flesh
Scorched Brown darkened with Chaos black (recesses/wrinkles)
Scorched Brown base layer, leaving recesses in shade
Scorched brown progressively lightened with Tallarn Flesh for raised areas (nose, cheekbones, top of head). I applied at least 4 stages of highlight.
Devlan Mud wash.

Worn Brass Trim
Tin Bitz
Brazen Brass* (leaving recesses around rivets in Tin Bitz) *Or Dwarf Bronze (my Brazen Brass has lasted since 1996)
Shining Gold - Line-highlight edges of of the trim on armour/pauldrons)
Shining Gold/Chainmail mix - Extreme highlight for upper surfaces of armour trim
Devlan Mud Wash

Equipment Metal
Boltgun Metal
Chainmail - Line-highlight or drybrush depending on surface
Mithril Silver - Extreme highlight for upper surfaces of item (employ sparingly!)
Badab Black Wash

Iron Warriors Skull
Chainmail
Mithril Silver Highlight
Badab Black Wash

Oaths of Moment
Graveyard Earth
Graveyard Earth/Bleached Bone Mix - Progressively lightened for each prominent surface, leaving recesses with the darker shades.
Skull White - Extreme highlight to tips/edges of parchment

Helmet Crests
Necron Abyss
Regal Blue - Drybrushed Highlight
Enchanted Blue - Drybrushed highlight to upper half of the crest

Base (Destroyed Bunker)
Adeptus Battlegrey
Badab Black Wash
Drybrush Codex Grey
Drybrush Fortress Grey (to more prominent rocks, stones, edges of bricks/rubble)


COMPLETED UNITS:

Warsmith

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ws003.jpg


Ironclads (Sternguard):

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sgfin01014.jpg


Ironclad Rhino (Sternguard Transport):

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icf001.jpg


Goliath Siege Tank (Vindicator):

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done005.jpg


That's about it. I'll add to this post with more resources etc. should they appear later and also include pictures of the finished models. Right now, the initial components are on order and are awaiting delivery. :)

Draegon
26-09-2011, 16:37
looking forward to this sir!

the damned artificer
26-09-2011, 19:57
Sounds very promising I must say :chrome: Being an Iron Warrior fan I think it's very cool that you want to go pre-heresy with the mighty IVth legion.
I've not read about the dark skin anywhere, although I haven't read iron within. But neither storm of iron or dead sky black sun mentions it and the lexicanum site for the legion doesn't either but you should paint them dark skinned if you like it :)

I have some (hopefully) helpful advise for the project :)

The legion insignia:
The current metal chaos shoulderpad displays the post heresy chaosified metal skull, if you think that is a bit too chaos for your taste, the warsmith model have a more toned down skull that isn't distorted into the almost grin of the metal shoulder pads. This is also ideal for a green stuff press-mould. The warsmith model can easily be converted to a sergeant or a techmarine too.

Helmets:
I think the maximini helmets look a bit more like chaos helmets, i you want to mix in different helmets I'd take the steam knight helmets instead http://www.maxmini.eu/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_23&products_id=60
Particularly the one in the middle and the last from the left.
The venerable dreadnought also have some nice head options http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod630020a
And the helmet and torsos from the iron warrior upgrade set would also work. The torsos have no chaos related insignia on them and the three heads with horns only need to have the horns removed to work as loyal helmets http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440213a&prodId=prod1110164

Also check out my Iron Warriors, the link is in the sig, you might find something usable. Even though my army is post heresy I have included a lot of heresy era gear to give them that special Iron Warrior feel.

I'll be watching from the shadows...

Morden279
30-09-2011, 17:26
Sounds very promising I must say :chrome: Being an Iron Warrior fan I think it's very cool that you want to go pre-heresy with the mighty IVth legion.
I've not read about the dark skin anywhere, although I haven't read iron within. But neither storm of iron or dead sky black sun mentions it and the lexicanum site for the legion doesn't either but you should paint them dark skinned if you like it.

I have some (hopefully) helpful advise for the project.

The legion insignia:
The current metal chaos shoulderpad displays the post heresy chaosified metal skull, if you think that is a bit too chaos for your taste, the warsmith model have a more toned down skull that isn't distorted into the almost grin of the metal shoulder pads. This is also ideal for a green stuff press-mould. The warsmith model can easily be converted to a sergeant or a techmarine too.

Helmets:
I think the maximini helmets look a bit more like chaos helmets, i you want to mix in different helmets I'd take the steam knight helmets instead http://www.maxmini.eu/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_23&products_id=60
Particularly the one in the middle and the last from the left.
The venerable dreadnought also have some nice head options http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod630020a
And the helmet and torsos from the iron warrior upgrade set would also work. The torsos have no chaos related insignia on them and the three heads with horns only need to have the horns removed to work as loyal helmets http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440213a&prodId=prod1110164

Also check out my Iron Warriors, the link is in the sig, you might find something usable. Even though my army is post heresy I have included a lot of heresy era gear to give them that special Iron Warrior feel.

I'll be watching from the shadows...

It looks like you've had the sheer impertinence to raise a number of intelligent and valid points. Let me adress them in turn. ;-)

I've read both SoI and DSBS myself, and you're right - if only because most of the IWs apart from Honsou keep their helmets on (as do most Chaos Marines in artwork, literature etc). 'Dark skin' is mentioned in The Iron Without however. In any case, I was browsing through your own blog (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295134&page=7) and came across this chappy:

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee354/SteffenSJensen/Iron%20Warriors/rs1.jpg

I took one look and thought 'that's the fleshtone I want to go for'. I'd be extremely grateful if you'd provide me with the process, it looks bloody fantastic. :-)

LEGIO INSIGNIA:

I gave a lot of thought of thought to this. After hours of searching, I had no luck finding the prime candidate; the old Blood Angels First Company Shoulder Pad:

http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/images/thumb/5/5a/BA_1st_Company_Shoulder_Pad.jpg/150px-BA_1st_Company_Shoulder_Pad.jpg

Consequently, I discounted the prominent and leering Silver Skulls pad (perversely still in production by GW whereas the Blood Angel pad isn't...) and took a scalpel to the Chaos IW pad as my option. Without the arrows, the skull-mask doesn't look at odds with the pre-Heresy iconography, and the (intimidating) stanted eyes actually match the design of the insignia on the artwork in my original post.

HELMETS:

I was only going to use these for press-mould purposes: ie. creating larger iconography to be used on vehicles and perhaps banners. However, I've since concluded that removing the arrows from the existing Forgeworld IW Rhino Doors (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/IRON-WARRIORS-RHINO-DOORS.html) would create ideal vehicle badges. In terms of Dreads, I really don't like the GW casts, which appear to have been hopelessly grasping at Forgeworld's coattails for the last several years.

Anyway, onto my first UPDATE, my WIP Sternguard Sergeant utilising the Forgeworld Gamesday Mk.III Boarding Marine:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IMG_1965.jpg

I replaced the boarding shield arm with a Bolt Pistol hand, and in turn replaced the pistol with a FW pre-Heresy version in order to meet the Sternguard Sergeant's equipment loadout: Bolt Pistol and Power Hammer (Power Fist). I also added a brace of frag and krak grenades. Each of my Sergeants are also getting the old Magneus Craglar eagle headed backpacks. Mechanically they look like the FW M31-era power plants, and have the obvious pre-Heresy loyalist Imperial imagery. The brass etch eagle on the left shoulder pad is meant to represent the Sternguard/Command squad and the studs merely present for the antiquated P-H look.

I'm also upping my game with green stuff sculpting; I'm visting Hobbycraft with a mate tomorrow to pick up some shaping tools and want to finish the banner by sculpting scrollwork at the bottom to bear the Legio number. I'm already quite pleased with the 'X' numerals on the right kneepad and banner.

Next, the result of the GS cast:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IMG_1966.jpg

It's lightly mottled but of surprisingly good quality. After some trimming I mangaged to get the badge onto the shoulder pad without much issue but will attempt a 'flusher' fit the next time around by filing the shoulder pad down for a flatter surface to receive the cast.

I've got The Master of the Watch and a Techmarine with Servo Harness on order which will combine to become Captain Planet my Warsmith. Really looking forward to converting him. :-)

Ithor
30-09-2011, 18:23
So the GS mould on the old BA pad didn't come out o well then mate? Either weay, I think the one you've used looks better anyway - IMO it's the perfect IW skull icon. Good find :)

The sarge is looking pretty tasty so far - when can we expect some paint to go on him?

the damned artificer
01-10-2011, 00:02
I'll dig the recipe out of my mess, I have it written down... Just... can't... find... it..

About the GS casts, don't file down the shoulderpads. Instead you make your mould like this:
Take the metals shoulderpad and press some gs over the icon and let it sit there and dry.
Then remove it, you now have the negative mould.
Grease up the mould, cooking oils are great for this.
take a plain plastic shoulder pad.
roll a ball of gs and place it in the lubricated mould. '
Now take the shoulderpad and press against the gs, forcing it into the mould. This way the backside fits the shoulder pad is supposed to fit to.
When the gs is dry, gently remove the icon, trim it, clean it for oil residue and glue it in place :D

It's simple and easy, trust me.

Morden279
01-10-2011, 08:56
I'll dig the recipe out of my mess, I have it written down... Just... can't... find... it...

If you wouldn't mind mate, that'd be ace - thanks! :)

Thanks for the idea on the GS moulding; my only concern that when I press the pad against the GS already in the mould I might have it slightly misaligned. In any case, I'll resolve to give it a try. :)

Aegius
01-10-2011, 13:31
I don't know if you're aware of this george, but FW have introduced even more PH stuffs.

dreadnought
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/CONTEMPTOR_PATTERN_DREADNOUGHT_BODY.html

and unfortunately there aren't any links for the pre-heresy rhino and landraider yet, but they are going to be doing them.

I'll be watching this log very keenly.

kublai
01-10-2011, 21:44
I think "eagle fetish" is a product of post heresy times (except EC), just a hint :)

About the dark skin, I think I read something( Index Astartes ? ), were Perturabo had real "african" dark skin, so dark, but not "Salamanders" dark.

You should check out this forum:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php
, its all about pre heresy, very nice forum.

Morden279
02-10-2011, 10:15
I don't know if you're aware of this george, but FW have introduced even more PH stuffs.

dreadnought
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/CONTEMPTOR_PATTERN_DREADNOUGHT_BODY.html

and unfortunately there aren't any links for the pre-heresy rhino and landraider yet, but they are going to be doing them.

I'll be watching this log very keenly.

Don;t worry Steve-O, I'm fully conversant in FW's model range; myself and Ian were waxing lyrcal about the *ridiulous* stats of the Contemptor on our way to Hobbycraft. ;)


I think "eagle fetish" is a product of post heresy times (except EC), just a hint :)

About the dark skin, I think I read something( Index Astartes ? ), were Perturabo had real "african" dark skin, so dark, but not "Salamanders" dark.

You should check out this forum:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php
, its all about pre heresy, very nice forum.

Pre-Heresy Imperial iconography needs to be placed in context.

Post-Heresy use of the Aquila increased exponentially owing to the Imperial Cult's promulgation of the icon as a devotional item (along with related reliquary items in M41) as well as a signifier of allegiance to the Imperium. It's wearing by every Space Marine Post-Heresy was therefore part of a conscious effort to prevent Astartes turning traitor by binding them symbolically both in terms of faith and loyalty.

Pre-Heresy the Aquila was used much more sparingly and to my knowledge was not even worn by most rank and file Astartes. An appropriate parallel would be the use of the Eagle surmounting the motto SPQR in the Roman Legions. Individual legionnaires didn’t wear the eagle because their equipment was meant to be practical, and not infused with devotional items. Indeed, when the eagle was worn, it was on the uniforms of officers as a symbol of rank and perhaps their closer connection with the concept of the SPQR and place in the Imperial military (and therefore political) hierarchy.

Therefore, I feel it's entirely appropriate to have higher ranking Astartes wear Aquila and eagle iconography. As potential spokespeople for the Great Crusade (Gavriel Loken - a captain - personally demanded the surrender of an entire Empire in Horus Rising) carrying forth the Imperial Truth and the authority of the Emperor of Mankind; their use of the Aquila device somewhere on their armour would have been inevitable. Consequently, I feel secure in bestowing such an honour on my sergeants. :)

Thanks for the links, I've also seen some good stuff on Heresy online as well, are you familiar with the site?

Thanks also for the tip - I'll re-read Index Astartes II (?) and have a look out for that bit of fluff...

Incidentally my resin bases (http://www.darkartstore.darkartminiatures.com/categories/THEMED-BASING/Urban/) arrved today and they look AWESOME. Really recommend them to anyone! :cool:

Morden279
02-10-2011, 14:53
A proper update after a few hours messing about with my new shiny set of clay shaping tools:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/265002.jpg

Delighted with how the scrollwork on the banner came out, thanks largely to this brilliant tutorial:

Black Dot Barrel Studios: Sculpting scrollwork and other elements (http://blackdotbarrel.blogspot.com/2011/03/sculpting-scrollwork-and-other-elements.html)

@ the damned artificer

As you can see above, I took your advice, and the results were excellent; however, the GS started to stick into the cast when I tried to pull it away from the pad after the third or fourth one. It may have just been the high temperature in my living room owing to the heat wave... :)

baphomael
02-10-2011, 17:04
Also, as an above to the Aquilla thing, while the Emperor's Children were bestoyed the honour of wearing the aquilla en masse as a Legion, I do not believe the aquilla was exclusive to the Emperor's Children - rather, the aquilla being more like an individual honour granted like a medal to individuals for exceptional acts of courage etc. Its just that the Emperor's Children did something truly spectacular and were awarded it as a Legion honour, rather than an individual honour.

Afterall, Garro runs around with an Aquilla...and he's no Emperor's Children marine.

Ithor
02-10-2011, 20:14
Also, as an above to the Aquilla thing, while the Emperor's Children were bestoyed the honour of wearing the aquilla en masse as a Legion, I do not believe the aquilla was exclusive to the Emperor's Children - rather, the aquilla being more like an individual honour granted like a medal to individuals for exceptional acts of courage etc. Its just that the Emperor's Children did something truly spectacular and were awarded it as a Legion honour, rather than an individual honour.

Afterall, Garro runs around with an Aquilla...and he's no Emperor's Children marine.

Quoted for Truth :)

The scrollwork's excellent George - I've also been playing with the colous shapers, and they're quite, quite magic...

arakis10191
03-10-2011, 05:17
very nice, going to be a slowish project me thinks but this already looks fantastic. I love the shoulder pad icons and the little touches you have done, keep it up

Monsterzonk
03-10-2011, 09:30
A really good start and an intriguing army choice! I'll sure be following this...

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

Bob Hunk
03-10-2011, 10:18
A great start, I'm looking forward to seeing this develop. :)

Morden279
04-10-2011, 17:06
very nice, going to be a slowish project me thinks but this already looks fantastic. I love the shoulder pad icons and the little touches you have done, keep it up

It should be a damn sight less laborious than my guard - only 27 figures to paint as opposed to 70!

Anyway, onto a small update; currently working on my Warsmith using the Techmarine with Servo Harness and Master of the Watch models. His 'Siege Harness' is going to proxy for much of Vulkan He'Stan's wargear - the WIP pre-Heresy style hefty flamer arm will count as The Gauntlet of the Forge (who needs the ornate minimalism of the Salamanders when you can have the brutal practicality of the IV Legion?).

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/265004.jpg

I've also been using the new GW Liquid Green Stuff. I'd heartily urge people read this review (http://loserstudio.blogspot.com/2011/10/liquid-green-stuff-review.html#more) before using it, it certainly helped me out. :)

unwanted
04-10-2011, 20:25
Looks good, and He'stan sounds like a good sub for a Warsmith.

the damned artificer
04-10-2011, 20:28
Looks cool, but why did you remove the opus machina (cog N'skull) ?? The eagle might not have been that widespread in the 31st millenium but a tech marine would still have studied at the forges of mars and still wear the the opus on his armour ;) Especially an IW techmarine, there's a reason why the martian rebels (dark mechanicus) joined the Iron warriors after the defeat at terra. Så make surehe have one on his armor somewhere :chrome:
I'll get back with that skin recipe tomorrow I promise :D

Morden279
04-10-2011, 21:39
Looks good, and He'stan sounds like a good sub for a Warsmith.

Ta! The Sallies and the IW are alike in many ways. Both are incredibly adept at technology; only the former added the gift of artifice and ornate craftsmanship - indulgent acts that never made sense to the logically-minded Iron Warriors.


Looks cool, but why did you remove the opus machina (cog N'skull) ?? The eagle might not have been that widespread in the 31st millenium but a tech marine would still have studied at the forges of mars and still wear the the opus on his armour ;) Especially an IW techmarine, there's a reason why the martian rebels (dark mechanicus) joined the Iron warriors after the defeat at terra. Så make surehe have one on his armor somewhere
I'll get back with that skin recipe tomorrow I promise :D

Aha, but he's not a Techmarine! :D

The Servo/Siege Harness is for my Warsmith. Detailed fluff on Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors hierarchy and command structure is absent (still waiting for that novel, Black Library...), but I've always envisioned the Warsmiths to hold separate and distinct places in the Legion from its Techmarines.

The Warsmiths (essentially company captains), are more practiced in strategy and applied battlefield tactics; yet they still have an affinity with technology, a trait inherited from Perturabo ('the most technically minded of Primarchs' according to IAIII). Consequently, Warsmiths (and other ranking Iron Warriors) would engineer their own equipment, perhaps under advisement from Legion Techmarines, but also from knowledge and skills garnered on service. The Siege Harness is a reflection of this - less advanced than that of a Techmarine's, but still worthy of note and geared towards battlefield application.

Techmarines on the other hand, can specialise in the more advanced Imperial technology owing to their place outside of the command structure. As you said, closer ties with the Mechanicum and their techno-arcana are also a benefit of this detached position. Consequently, you'd not see a Warsmith wearing a Techmarine's full Servo Harness with its gamut of equipment, much of which is geared towards reparing vehicles and equipment - tasks not exactly of concern to a Warsmith! Needless to say, if I did deploy a Techmarine with Servo Harness, the Opus Machina would stay. :)

Sorry to go on a bit, but I really enjoy discussing fluff! In terms of IW command structure, I can imagine a Grand Company's Warmsith being advised by a council of Techmarines as well as by his Chapter/Maniple captains; providing detailed info on just what hardware can be brought into play. I hope fellow IW players will forgive me if I formulate some of this myself through speculation. :angel:

Thanks again for the flesh recipe, it's really appreciated! Every time I check this log I scoll pass the image of the Renegade Psycher and nod to myself in expectation! :cool:

Draegon
04-10-2011, 21:40
Looking good sir! Good choice with the bases!

the damned artificer
04-10-2011, 22:57
Ah, see that I can accept as a valid reason :D Although I personally like to think that all senior ranking members of the legion had studied as techmarines as part of their ascent in rank and the warsmiths essentially had the same Privileges as a master of the forge, basically a techmarine that get to play with big guns, be the boss and not do the manual labor unless in his own favour.

But as you mention there's no specification in the fluff about this and it can be interpreted in many ways. I was digging after some thought behind your choice because I too am a bit of a fluff-boy myself and like details like that to be fleshed out :D

Much the same way as I have included the opus machina in my post heresy IW force, but painted it all black instead of the traditionally black and white split scheme. This is to represent their alliance with the dark mechanicus and the new dark opus is meant to represent the dark mechanicus' separation from the cult of Mars and the definite dismissing of the great schism (whether or not the Emperor and the Omnissiah is two separate entities, or one and the same), the dark opus symbolises the one unambiguous truth, there is only the Omnissiah and that is not the Emperor.

So I am all for a free interpretation of things :chrome:

Gdolkin
04-10-2011, 23:41
Nice work and good skills mate, but I'm confused.. Your initial posts had somewhere a reference to the Iron Hands, which I took as a typo, and you have written 'IV Legion' a few times, yet you seem to have put greenstuff 'X's here and there as if meant to be the Legion number.. I can't tell whether you know (or care) that Iron Warriors=IV Legion and Iron Hands=X Legion, or not..?
Edit: My bad, i see now you're doing the X Company of the IV Legio, it was the bit where you asked if Iron Hands were dark-skinned and the bit where you mentioned Legio numbers just before your greenstuff X's that threw me off.. I was so confused that someone obviously so thorough and attentive to detail could make such a mistake!

Morden279
05-10-2011, 10:17
Ah, see that I can accept as a valid reason :D Although I personally like to think that all senior ranking members of the legion had studied as techmarines as part of their ascent in rank and the warsmiths essentially had the same Privileges as a master of the forge, basically a techmarine that get to play with big guns, be the boss and not do the manual labor unless in his own favour.

But as you mention there's no specification in the fluff about this and it can be interpreted in many ways. I was digging after some thought behind your choice because I too am a bit of a fluff-boy myself and like details like that to be fleshed out :D

Much the same way as I have included the opus machina in my post heresy IW force, but painted it all black instead of the traditionally black and white split scheme. This is to represent their alliance with the dark mechanicus and the new dark opus is meant to represent the dark mechanicus' separation from the cult of Mars and the definite dismissing of the great schism (whether or not the Emperor and the Omnissiah is two separate entities, or one and the same), the dark opus symbolises the one unambiguous truth, there is only the Omnissiah and that is not the Emperor.

So I am all for a free interpretation of things :chrome:

I see your point, but I still consider Techmarines as being detached and advisors and specialists, rather than ranking command officers. In terms of parallels, even the Thousand Sons and Word Bearers were led by regular captains rather than Librarians and Chaplains respectively despite their afinity with their Legions' nature. Though I agree that extensive interplay between Warsmiths and Techmarines would have been present. :)

Black Library (for me) has two gaping holes in its HH series: the Night Lords and the Iron Warriors. It's incredible that the former Legion hasn't had its own book, but peculiar that such a popular Legion as the IWs hasn't also. The best thing about the books is the detailing of command structure, weaponrry, tactics and insignia, which are brilliant hobby-fodder. I suppose it's both a blessing and curse that this is so open to interpretation.

You have the advantage of me here - and that's a lovely bit of detail you've included! I'll have another look through your blog for that! :cool:



Edit: My bad, i see now you're doing the X Company of the IV Legio, it was the bit where you asked if Iron Hands were dark-skinned and the bit where you mentioned Legio numbers just before your greenstuff X's that threw me off.. I was so confused that someone obviously so thorough and attentive to detail could make such a mistake!

Fixed the typo - thanks for bringing it to my attention! :) As mentioned above, the lack of fluff on Legio structure has made my think this up for the Iron Warriors:

Legio IV ~ 14,000 Astartes (Educated Guesswork - There are 14 Grand Companies confirmed in the fluff)
Grand Company ~ 1,000 Astartes (x14), Each Led by a Warsmith
Cohort ~ 100 Astartes (x10, equivalent of a 'chapter'), the First led by the Grand Company's Warsmith, the remaining nine led by a Captain

the damned artificer
05-10-2011, 10:53
Yeah I also have the advantage that my army is a post heresy force, and chaos doesn't officially have techmarines anymore (even though this is ridiculous seeing that some legions still remain a similar organisation as before the heresy to some extend) and I can easily tech my captains out with servo arms as I please :D

But I actually like your interpretation a lot and if I ever did a pre heresy IW army I'd probably consider doing it similar to yours. But I probably never will seeing that I have a million things going on :P

Morden279
05-10-2011, 13:32
Yeah I also have the advantage that my army is a post heresy force, and chaos doesn't officially have techmarines anymore (even though this is ridiculous seeing that some legions still remain a similar organisation as before the heresy to some extend) and I can easily tech my captains out with servo arms as I please :D

But I actually like your interpretation a lot and if I ever did a pre heresy IW army I'd probably consider doing it similar to yours. But I probably never will seeing that I have a million things going on :P

I forgot to say - your interpretation of Techmarines possibly taking command post-Heresy is a correct one. Having fallen from the Emperor's Grace and after embracing the Dark Gods, no doubt ambition, ruthlessness, and hubris would have been the prime determinators of ascent in status as opposed to tradition, suitability, or common consent. :skull:

An update before I finalise the two models with green stuff and prime them:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/266003.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/266002.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/266004.jpg

Nothing says 'pre-Heresy' more than studs and their addition to the Siege Harness really rounds it off nicely. The fuel tank on the Heavy flamer is a trimmed down Melta Bomb, and the fuel line is 3-Gauge guitar wire.

The existing power axe on the Captain of the Watch wasn't thematic for the Iron Warriors, so I substituted it for a Chaos Terminator's power maul. The resulting two-handed mace looks very in character with the Legion and an ample substitute for the Spear of Vulkan. Whilst a Warsmith is an able combatant, he's first and foremost an engineer, and has thusly been given an auspex linked to his Siege Harness.

the damned artificer
05-10-2011, 13:59
I correct you by saying "nothing says 'the horus heresy' more than studs" as the studs weren't introduced on the armour till mkV (heresy) armor and was a solution to produce less costly suits due to supplies being captured by the enemy. MkIV armour is actually completely stud-less ;D

Morden279
05-10-2011, 15:17
I correct you by saying "nothing says 'the horus heresy' more than studs" as the studs weren't introduced on the armour till mkV (heresy) armor and was a solution to produce less costly suits due to supplies being captured by the enemy. MkIV armour is actually completely stud-less ;D

I must disagree - studs were used to denote service length as well as being used for decoration. You're certainly right that they were used as rivets for MK.V plate, but not always! :)

the damned artificer
05-10-2011, 15:37
Ahh yes the service studs, but aren't they located in the marines forehead ?? And I haven't read anything about the studs being used on armor for rank display, but it could have slipped my attention :) Do you have a source on it as I'd love to read up on it then :)

Morden279
05-10-2011, 15:44
Ahh yes the service studs, but aren't they located in the marines forehead ?? And I haven't read anything about the studs being used on armor for rank display, but it could have slipped my attention :) Do you have a source on it as I'd love to read up on it then :)

Yes, they are borne on the forehead, too. I honestly can't remember the souce, but I expect it would have been in one of the old Index Astartes books. Additionally, a lot of artwork for other armour types also feature studs, not least the Mk.III suit worn by the Iron Warrior in my thread post.

That aside, I plan to use patters of studs to denote squad types on the left shoulder pad rather than conventional symbols. Watch this space! :)

Ithor
05-10-2011, 18:42
Digging the servo-harness dude, looking really nice. I also love the fact that a simple head-swap and changing the angle of said head changes a sub-par model into one that's pretty tasty!

the damned artificer
09-10-2011, 14:17
Okay so I finally fpound that notebook with the recipe for my rogue psykers skin :D

I basecoated the mini in with Tallarn flesh with a little dessert yellow added and a tiny dot of black, then added more tallarn flesh for highlights, and then bleached bone. I then gave it a very diluted glaze of purple ink around the eyes and where the plugs enter his body. When I finished the skin I added a bit more shading with a little devlan mud to some of the biggest recess.

Hope it's useful :D

Morden279
09-10-2011, 22:25
Digging the servo-harness dude, looking really nice. I also love the fact that a simple head-swap and changing the angle of said head changes a sub-par model into one that's pretty tasty!

Like most GW minis, it's of very good quality in terms of detail, but the stock poses let them down a bit - hence where we come in! Aside from the simple head swap, he's pretty much my magnum opus in terms of conversion work - building the Hefty Flamer took up pretty much all of War and Peace...


Okay so I finally fpound that notebook with the recipe for my rogue psykers skin :D

I basecoated the mini in with Tallarn flesh with a little dessert yellow added and a tiny dot of black, then added more tallarn flesh for highlights, and then bleached bone. I then gave it a very diluted glaze of purple ink around the eyes and where the plugs enter his body. When I finished the skin I added a bit more shading with a little devlan mud to some of the biggest recess.

Thanks very much! So it's basically Tallarn mixed with Desert Yellow and Black, then progressively highlighted with Tallarn mixed with increasing amounts of Bleached Bone? Sounds pretty straightforward - I hope I can achieve the same effect you have! :)

Anyway, I paint in the daytime, convert in the evening. One pre-Heresy Phobos style (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/SPACE-MARINE-BOLTER-PHOBOS-PATTERN-X10.html) Combi-Melta, using a Forgeworld Melta Gun muzzle shroud, pin-vice drilled styrene rod replacement flash-hider, and Terminator Stormbolter box magazine. Painting desk by Jackson Pollock.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/266.jpg

Svorlrik
10-10-2011, 00:39
I've been waiting for someone to do Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors, mainly because it's something I would love to do, but will never get around to doing it

Keep it up!

donuter
12-10-2011, 15:39
looking good so far mate

Morden279
15-10-2011, 12:46
Thanks very much! :)

WIP Pre-Heresy style Heavy Flamer for power armour - two of these will be in my Ironclad (Sternguard) squad:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IMG_1978.jpg

Should have finished the squad's sergeant by this evening, I'll try to post pics then.

kublai
15-10-2011, 13:50
cool flamer fellow !

keep up your good work, cant wait to see the whole army painted up !

Deamon-forge
15-10-2011, 13:55
i think adding a few rivets on the flamers trigger hand would make the hand match the other. but sweet mini. ace conversions.

Morden279
15-10-2011, 14:51
i think adding a few rivets on the flamers trigger hand would make the hand match the other. but sweet mini. ace conversions.

I've decided to go the other way and shave off the rivets on the other hand to match. It's less work. ;)

Anyway, here's the completed Ironclad Sergeant:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/266007.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/266008.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/266009.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/266014.jpg

Sorry the light's a bit rubbish, and the macro on my camera messed up for the last shot. He's probably my best Astartes figure yet, and I'm in love with the new Citadel Washes. Here's how I did him:

[Over Chaos Black Base Coat]

Iron Warriors Dark Armour
Boltgun Metal
Devlan Mud Wash
Badab Black Wash
Boltgun Metal - Line-highlight edges of armour, drybrush prominent flat surfaces (vambraces, greaves)
Chainmail - Extreme highlight for upper surfaces of armour, such as top of helmet (employ sparingly!)
Badab Black Wash

Worn Brass Trim
Tin Bitz
Brazen Brass* (leaving recesses around rivets in Tin Bitz) *Or Dwarf Bronze (my Brazen Brass has lasted since 1996)
Shining Gold - Line-highlight edges of of the trim on armour/pauldrons)
Shining Gold/Chainmail mix - Extreme highlight for upper surfaces of armour trim
Devlan Mud Wash

Equipment Metal
Boltgun Metal
Chainmail - Line-highlight or drybrush depending on surface
Mithril Silver - Extreme highlight for upper surfaces of item (employ sparingly!)
Badab Black Wash

Iron Warriors Skull
Chainmail
Mithril Silver Highlight
Badab Black Wash

Oaths of Moment
Graveyard Earth
Graveyard Earth/Bleached Bone Mix - Progressively lightened for each prominent surface, leaving recesses with the darker shades.
Skull White - Extreme highlight to tips/edges of parchment

Heraldic Crest
Necron Abyss
Regal Blue - Drybrushed Highlight
Enchanted Blue - Drybrushed highlight to upper half of the crest

Base (Destroyed Bunker)
Adeptus Battlegrey
Badab Black Wash
Drybrush Codex Grey
Drybrush Fortress Grey (to more prominent rocks, stones, edges of bricks/rubble)

Gunbarrel scorchmarks (http://mikedthreeb.blogspot.com/2010/07/tutorial-how-to-paint-scorched-weapon.html)

Ithor
15-10-2011, 15:55
Looking really nice G - definitley your best Astartes work, if not better than your Guard. More please ;)

Student
15-10-2011, 16:48
I really like that sergeant. Looking forward to seeing more.

Draegon
16-10-2011, 12:28
Bloomin' amazing sir!

Longtimelurker
16-10-2011, 17:03
Marvellous. i havnt seen any of your other stuff and the amount of WIP pics made me wonder if it was worth getting to the painted stuff!
but yes it was!
now tell us, whats the recipe for your iron warriors metal and gold/bronze armour?

Ithor
16-10-2011, 17:16
The recipe's right there, underneath the picture...

DeathCat147
17-10-2011, 16:38
Nice work Morden279. Also Happy Birthday sir :).

Complicity
20-10-2011, 20:43
Excellent work, I really love the banners. I noticed you had a bit of guitar string as a prometheum line, I think pre heresy style armies would look great with flatwound/ribbonwound guitar strings as cabling:
http://www.chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/dilruba_media/flat_wound.jpg

Funky01chef
21-10-2011, 09:26
Looking lovely, and thank's for the detailed methods for each of the colours used :)

MIght have to steal the Heavy Flamer idea for my fists ;)

Morden279
04-11-2011, 15:09
Excellent work, I really love the banners. I noticed you had a bit of guitar string as a prometheum line, I think pre heresy style armies would look great with flatwound/ribbonwound guitar strings as cabling:
http://www.chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/dilruba_media/flat_wound.jpg

Superb, I'll look into that, though I do have a healthy collection of string to get through!


Looking lovely, and thank's for the detailed methods for each of the colours used :)

MIght have to steal the Heavy Flamer idea for my fists ;)

My pleasure, go ahead (though a link/credit would of course be appreciated). ;-)

Without further ado:

Andross Vallum - Warsmith of the 10th Grand Company, IVth Legiones Astartes

Closeup shot:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ws007.jpg

Sorry about the lighting for the rest:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ws003.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ws004.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ws005.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ws006.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ws008.jpg

He proxies as Vulkan He'Stan; the Power Mace 'Mangonel' is the Spear of Vulkan, the servo-mounted (pre-Heresy style) Heavy Flamer is the Gauntlet of the Forge, the servo arm counts as Digital Weapons, and the enlarged power pack contains a shield generator which counts as Kosare's Mantle.

In terms of painting and converting, he's been my magnum opus. I'm especially pleased with the hazard stripes and the cloak; which bears the Latin motto 'Ferrum Intra, Ferrum Extra' - Iron Within, Iron Without. On that note, a lot of the pre-Heresy Legions (and the Imperium itself) contained Romanesque elements in the literature and artwork available, it wasn't just limited to the Ultramarines. Consequently, I've included Roman-style lightning bolts on the inside of the cloak (visible in the first picture). Needless to say, these Imperial trappings would have been dropped after the Heresy, which explains why M41 Iron Warriors are so spartan and practical in appearence.

I'm now starting on painting my two Heavy Flamer armed Ironclads (Sternguard), but will be modelling the remaning 4 members of the squad in the evenings. Watch this space. :)

Corvussanctus
04-11-2011, 15:31
Amazing warsmith...damn, i want a pre heresy-army too!

Ithor
04-11-2011, 16:01
Awesome work mate. If you can keep this level up throughout the army, it'll be one of the best astartes armies I've seen.

Looking forward to killing it with my Raven Guard though of course :)

donuter
04-11-2011, 18:59
That model is *********** awesome. Very nicely done.

will you make an characters from the iron warriors books?

Angelwing
04-11-2011, 20:19
Looking good!

vendrid
04-11-2011, 20:26
Looking Awesome mate Keep up the good work :)

spikyjames
04-11-2011, 20:50
Lovely stuff, great conversion work and well executed paint scheme.

There's obviously something in the water down in Bristol.

James

Morden279
09-11-2011, 20:19
Iron Warriors Proficiency Sigils

Left to right: Melta Weapon Specialist, Melta Weapon Specialist and Servo Arm Operator, Flame Weapon Specialist.

The studs on the top-right of the brestplate are service studs, colour coded in metal to denote time with the Legion (more on these later).

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ws.jpg


Amazing warsmith...damn, i want a pre heresy-army too!

Do PH 'Fists so we can have a scrap. ;)


That model is *********** awesome. Very nicely done.

will you make an characters from the iron warriors books?

Excellent question. I already have a bunch of fluff and background about the 10th Grand Company in my head inspired by short story The Iron Within, but that's another story. I will however confirm that none of the persona in the company survive the Heresy.


There's obviously something in the water down in Bristol.

Cheers, could be worse!

http://i.cdn.turner.com/asfix/repository/8a25c392161eb64201161feeedf20039/thumbnail_36819.jpg

Catferret
09-11-2011, 20:32
Nice badges. Reminds me of the shoulder symbols in Rogue Trader for weapon specialists. I'm guessing that was your intention.

Great work on everything you've done so far.

ephrael
09-11-2011, 22:14
Nice badges. Reminds me of the shoulder symbols in Rogue Trader for weapon specialists. I'm guessing that was your intention.

Great work on everything you've done so far.

I agree on the badges and the quality of your work.

vendrid
10-11-2011, 11:32
Awesome bud love the fact that your putting lots of Fluff in to them as well :)

MrNovember
10-11-2011, 22:33
Really captures the PH feel of the Iron Warriors - really liking the addition of the roman/greek influences. I think it fits nicely with that sort of "old world" background Olympia is supposed to have.

Nifty conversion for Vulkan He'Stan, IW are one of the few legions that "counts as" for him actually makes sense, and his kit certainly has the high-tech but functional aspects the original rules are aiming at.

Morden279
11-11-2011, 19:18
Nice badges. Reminds me of the shoulder symbols in Rogue Trader for weapon specialists. I'm guessing that was your intention.

Great work on everything you've done so far.


I agree on the badges and the quality of your work.

Thanks very much! Yes, that's my intention. I got into the proficiency badge/insignia fetish with my WW1 Imperial Guard, as it really adds context and detail to the model. After flicking through my own copy of Rogue Trader a week or so back, I resolved to carry this through with the Iron Warriors, only with green stuff this time. There will be specific badges for individual Astartes with specific role within a given squad:

Melta Weapon Proficiency, Flame Weapon Proficiency (these are singled out owing to their prominent use in the Legion), Heavy Weapon Proficiency, Servo Arm Operator, Chainblade Operator, Squad Marksman.


Awesome bud love the fact that your putting lots of Fluff in to them as well :)

An army without fluff? Not good enough. Word. :cool:


Really captures the PH feel of the Iron Warriors - really liking the addition of the roman/greek influences. I think it fits nicely with that sort of "old world" background Olympia is supposed to have.

Nifty conversion for Vulkan He'Stan, IW are one of the few legions that "counts as" for him actually makes sense, and his kit certainly has the high-tech but functional aspects the original rules are aiming at.

Absolutely. There's a brilliant piece of artwork on the Black Library website featuring half of the Primarchs watching the Ullanor parade from Romanesque building created specifically for the occasion. This meshes with an intentional historical parallel I feel the writers and artists on the Horus Heresy series have attempted. Humanity during The Great Crusade is a reflection of the unbridled expansion of Rome during the reign of Caesar Augustus; consequently the Roman theme ('Legios', crests, lightning bolts), is laid on heavy, and isn't just limited to the Ultramarines. Conversely, the Heresy can be seen as the Fall of Rome, mirroring disillusionment with the Imperial Dream and the Emperor's isolation on Earth, hence why M41 Chapters or Legions which may have employed Roman Heraldry on their armour have since cast it off. The Imperium of the 41st Millennium, is, of course a juxtaposition of the Dark and Middle ages - technology has been lost, Classical architecture has been replaced by the Gothic, and secularism supplanted by faith and superstition.

Indeed - I also thought about doing the Word Bearers (burn ALL the heretical material!), but The First Heretic did for me what The Taros Campaign probably did for prospective Tallarn or Elysian players. Nobody wants to collect and army portrayed in an unfavorable light (or written badly for that matter). As you suggest, the Iron Warriors are specialized yet functional; whilst the Salamanders may be able to micro-engineer a heavy flamer into a gauntlet, the Iron Warriors achieve the same thing in less time, albeit with far less subtlety. :)

I'm trying to make the army has WYSIWYG as possible, for fluff concerns as well as rule clarity - consequently, all concerned will be modelled with frag and krak grenades as well as mag pouches. The only things missing will be the bolt pistol holsters, because they're *huge*.

Update tomorrow - natural light ran out on me when I was finishing earlier. :chrome:

Corvussanctus
11-11-2011, 19:34
Do PH 'Fists so we can have a scrap. ;)


Thanks for the offer, but that would mean i have to increase my painting-speed by hundreds of percent. I think i'll have to bee content with wasting your brits with my ottomans - galliopoli-style! ;)

But where's that picture of the Ullanor-Campaing to be found? I found nothing on the black libary site.

DPA
11-11-2011, 19:43
I believe this is the one.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7e_fHxrVj-o/TpOG2zVBvDI/AAAAAAAACmU/eocuzLF_x8g/s1600/primarchs%252520big.jpg

Amazing work Morden279, keep it up!

Korraz
11-11-2011, 23:11
Every time I look at that picture I wonder "How did anybody miss that something was WRONG with Mortarion and Lorgar"?

Anyway, as an Ex-Iron Warrior I'll watch the thread.

Morden279
12-11-2011, 12:25
Thanks for the offer, but that would mean i have to increase my painting-speed by hundreds of percent. I think i'll have to bee content with wasting your brits with my ottomans - galliopoli-style! ;)

True say! I'll be doing a squad of IG once I'm done with these Sternguard and their transport. :-)


Amazing work Morden279, keep it up!

High praise indeed, coming from you, fella! Cheers! :-)


Every time I look at that picture I wonder "How did anybody miss that something was WRONG with Mortarion and Lorgar"?

Anyway, as an Ex-Iron Warrior I'll watch the thread.

What I love - absolutely love about that picture is the interplay between Magnus and Angron; notably how the former looks askance at the 12th Primarch who grips the railing with such bellicose enthusiasm that the marble cracks. Sheer brilliance.


Anyway, the fun has been doubled!

Iron Warriors Ironclad Heavy Flamer Operators

In addition to the 'Pilot Light' Flame Weapon Proficiency sigil, each Astartes bears service studs on the upper right of the breastplate. These are not necessarily indicators of rank or seniority, but marks of experience and - for a Legion subjected to the dehumanising trial of siege warfare - endurance.Consequently, these are borne as badges of pride and grim reminders of collective experience - contrasting starkly with the ostentacious honorific laurels, filigree, and other decorative embellishments borne by other Legios.

Gold - 100 Years
Silver - 50 Years
Bronze - 25 Years

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/flamers005.jpg

The Heaver Flamer units borne by the operators are of early Pre-Heresy design, and feature the characteristic bell-shaped Promethium projecter nozzles. As with all Iron Warriors equipment, hazard stripes are used to highlight items and areas of importance or which should recieve special attention owing to potential danger; here the Promethium tank housings are painted with the characteristic black and yellow chevrons. Similar treatment has been given to the maintenance panels on the Astartes' power plants.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/flamers007.jpg

These Astartes wear Mk.III Amorum Ferrum ('Iron') armour. This is issued as standard to members of Ironclad units owing to the greater protection it affords over Mk.II plate; an essential advantage owing to the close proximity to the enemy required for the use of flame and melta weaponry. Consequently, Mk.III plate is also issued to flamer and melta gun operators in Iron Warriors Tactical Squads, though their armour lacks the brass trim which the Ironclad suits bear as a mark of status.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/flamers002.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/flamers004.jpg

Both Astartes are pictured assaulting the remains of Ravelin Beta-Sigma, one an outlying bastion of just one of the Fortresses of Judgement which constituted the defences built by the Black Judges on Justice Rock. Ironclad Heavy Flamer units are regularly employed to scour the interiors or ruins of bunkers and strongpoints once breaches are made by the squad's Combi-Meltas.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/flamers006.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/flamers008.jpg


Ploggers Notes

These were are a pain to convert. Funnily enough, weapons designed for Tactical Dreadnought models are not easily adaptable for power-armoured figures, not least those in Mk.III plate, the bulkiness of which prevents the flamer being held closer to the chest, thus preventing easy marriage with the left arm. Use of green stuff on the shoulder joints was needed to achieve an acceptable fit, which was very much a case of trial and error. Not an easily conversion, and the results aren't perfect - still, they could be worse.

The Dark Arts Miniatures Urban Warfare Bases are wonderful and I urge anyone to give them a shot. I added brass rod rebar to the raised chunk of masonry to make it look more like part of a reinforced bunker, and guitar string 'cables' to the pipe to make it look like a section of armoured communications/power conduit rather than a drain.

That's it for now, I'm off to prime the first two Combi-Melta gunners. Feedback welcome as always. :)

Catferret
12-11-2011, 12:37
The arm positions look fine to me. I still can't spot any issues even after you mentioned flaws so it seems like all your hard work paid off.

I do like the altered barrels on the heavy flamers. A great touch to add an older feel to the weaponry.

Siph
12-11-2011, 13:29
These are great. I made the mistake of painting the rivets on my MKIII a different colour from the base armour - there is about two hundred rivets on each marine!!

I know what you mean about the Hvy Flamer, I have a cloaked Sternguard with one. I opted to shave the inside edge of the Flamer until it fitted, but I had a cloak to hide the detail.

Mega Nutz
12-11-2011, 20:34
Superb looking builds, those flamers look absoluetly fantastic!

DeathCat147
12-11-2011, 21:11
Lovely work Morden279 :). I cant find a single fault with the conversion work, it all blends perfectly too my eye. The proficiency sigils are a great touch which adds loads of character :).

Jacobite
12-11-2011, 21:37
Wonderful work as always. Your painting is clean but dirty... I know that doesn't make a lot of sense, I guess what I mean is that the colors have real depth to them, which was something I noticed on your IG log (one of my top 4 favs along with Bungaroo, Synapse and Leoparden).

The conversions are flawless, I was wondering how you did it and the only thing I picked up obviously was the rod for the barrels.

You, sir are an inspiration!

chunk
12-11-2011, 22:02
First time I've read this log, impressive work! The metal work on the warriors is some of the best I've seen, being hard to look right over a large surface area.

Corvussanctus
12-11-2011, 23:11
@ DPA: Thanks for posting it!

@ Morden: Lovely as always. These are truly 'iron' warriors!

Breazer
13-11-2011, 09:50
wow...this is looking awesome...
im never really that big of a fan of the pre heresy power armor looks....but you turn it into something really spectacular....keep it up...im going to subscribe

Petay1985
14-11-2011, 10:28
Really beautiful work fella, this log is amazing. You are a very talented sculpter and painter. You have rendered your Iron Warriors in a really deep colour range, simply gorgeous. Looking forward to your next update.

bp.
14-11-2011, 14:30
Stunning stuff mate, really like the recipe you use for these chaps, definately will have to try it out!

Morden279
23-11-2011, 20:00
The arm positions look fine to me. I still can't spot any issues even after you mentioned flaws so it seems like all your hard work paid off.

I do like the altered barrels on the heavy flamers. A great touch to add an older feel to the weaponry.

Cheers! My main regret is the lack of proper 'grippy' hands that Devastator models have. Still, they probably wouldn't have fitted owing to requirement for even closer weapon positioning to the body. Not easy.

And yeah, I want the army to be contemporary right down to the smallest details. :)


These are great. I made the mistake of painting the rivets on my MKIII a different colour from the base armour - there is about two hundred rivets on each marine!!

I know what you mean about the Hvy Flamer, I have a cloaked Sternguard with one. I opted to shave the inside edge of the Flamer until it fitted, but I had a cloak to hide the detail.

Surely not? I highlight mine with Chainmail and it's not too much of a trial! :) I did try shaving parts off the model to fit, but inevitably they didn't when it came to the actual gluing stages!


Superb looking builds, those flamers look absoluetly fantastic!

Thanks! I really like the scorchmarks, myself. Just drybrushed Chaos black over Bestial Brown. :)


Lovely work Morden279 :). I cant find a single fault with the conversion work, it all blends perfectly too my eye. The proficiency sigils are a great touch which adds loads of character :).

Ta, they're really satisfying to get right and it's a nice change from freehand!


Wonderful work as always. Your painting is clean but dirty... I know that doesn't make a lot of sense, I guess what I mean is that the colors have real depth to them, which was something I noticed on your IG log (one of my top 4 favs along with Bungaroo, Synapse and Leoparden).

The conversions are flawless, I was wondering how you did it and the only thing I picked up obviously was the rod for the barrels.

You, sir are an inspiration!

Deeply humbled by your words - many thanks. :) The depth is mainly through washes and the syrene rod job was pretty straightforward. Not sure why I never used them this much before!


First time I've read this log, impressive work! The metal work on the warriors is some of the best I've seen, being hard to look right over a large surface area.

Indeed - I apply the washes straight from the pot. Not sure how this'll turn out on my Rhinos!


@ DPA: Thanks for posting it!

@ Morden: Lovely as always. These are truly 'iron' warriors!

Iron Within, Iron Without!


wow...this is looking awesome...
im never really that big of a fan of the pre heresy power armor looks....but you turn it into something really spectacular....keep it up...im going to subscribe

I really love the old Marks, both in terms of their appearence and the history behind them. My only regret is not being able to include Mk.IV and above suits in the army, being as it is set early on the Great Crusade. Still, I suppose they lack the conventional Iron Warrior 'grilled'helm' look.


Really beautiful work fella, this log is amazing. You are a very talented sculpter and painter. You have rendered your Iron Warriors in a really deep colour range, simply gorgeous. Looking forward to your next update.

Thanks very much; sculpting is something I'd urge anyone to try, even if it's just doing simple scrollwork and icons. My real admiration is for people here who can do cloaks and full blown anatomy! (Col. Gravis et al.)


Stunning stuff mate, really like the recipe you use for these chaps, definately will have to try it out!

Really easy - washes are magic. :)

Right, time to finish these two Combi-Melta Sternguard. Update tomorrow morning!

Tave
23-11-2011, 23:58
Amazing stuff. Exactly how Iron Warriors should look. I look forward to seeing this progress.

Monsterzonk
24-11-2011, 09:53
Great work on those flamer guys! The way you paint the metals really gives them some depth. Very nice! However, if I might make one suggestion, maybe paint the grenades in a different tone to get some variety on your Marines. Dark green or red might look cool... Anyways, keep up the great work!

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

Morden279
24-11-2011, 13:10
However, if I might make one suggestion, maybe paint the grenades in a different tone to get some variety on your Marines. Dark green or red might look cool... Anyways, keep up the great work!

Advice taken - I'll try out green as it's the more subdued of the colours (and therefore in-keeping with the general look of the IWs) with the Tactical Marines and see how that goes. :)

Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors Ironclads (Sternguard) with Combi-Meltas

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sg01007.jpg

Combi-Melta guns are issued as standard to all Ironclad Astartes with the exception of Sergeants and Flamer Operators. The Combi Weapons themselves feature large capacity box magazines with intricate multiple-column feed systems to accommodate the several different ammunition types employed by the Ironclads as specialist heavy infantry. Despite their complexities, there has never once been a jam or feed issue recorded with these weapons in the entire operational history of the IVth Legion - something attributed to the high technological aptitude of those bearing the gene seed of The Engineer. Use of Combi-Meltas in the Iron Warriors is prolific and a logical outgrowth of their expertise in siege warfare and the requirement of man-portable anti-fortification weaponry. By this token, they are also issued to Tactical Squad Sergeants and deployed in conjunction with Flamers.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sg01010.jpg

Loss of limbs amongst Astartes is inevitable. The Iron Warriors, however, often replace lost appendages with powerful servo arms rather than the anatomy-replicating bionic versions favoured by most other Legios. Though often seen as indicative of the 'brutalism' and 'crudeness' of the IVth Legion's technology, their use is in reality attributable to tactical expediency. The Iron Warriors combat doctrine is dictated not only by siege conditions, but also cold logic; each squad has mutually-supporting equipment, making it a self-sufficient tactical unit. Each front-line squad, whether Ironclad, Tactical, or Assault includes within it a servo-armed Astartes tasked with clearing obstacles, destroying enemy equipment, and gaining entry to fortifications through hatches, bulkheads and blast doors; tasks beyond the post-human strength of a regular Space Marine, even one equipped with a bionic arm.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sg01011.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sg01012.jpg


Plogger's Notes


Really pleased with the poses for these guys, as the servo guy ('Clamps') required some literal arm-twisting. Combi-Melta arm-alignment was much easier than with the Heavy Flamer guys, but still harder than usual owing to the bulkiness of Iron Armour. Looking forward to dealing with Mk.II plate with the Tac Marines.

The sandbags were painted with Graveyard Earth, then progressively highlighted depending on raised surface areas with increasing amounts of Bleached Bone before a final wash of Devlan Mud.

Barrel scorching was done by an initial solid application of Bestial Brown around the muzzles before drybrushing away from it so that it became lighter further away for the aperture. This process was repeated using Chaos black before the muzzles were washed with Gryphonne Sepia.

Last 2 Sternguard about to be primed! :)

Monsterzonk
24-11-2011, 13:24
Very cool! Looking forward to seeing the squad finished...

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

VenomBlood
24-11-2011, 13:38
So crisp stuff , both pics and text, I wonder why it still isn't in any official GW publication. :confused:
Cheers!

Ithor
24-11-2011, 15:01
I'm very much looking forward to killing these guys mate - beautiful stuff :)

Morden279
25-11-2011, 10:33
I'm very much looking forward to killing these guys mate - beautiful stuff :)

Well, we are of course eventually going to recreate the engagement from Raven's Flight, are we not? :cool:

@ Monsterzonk and VenomBlood - Thanks very much, I'll post pics of the last two Ironclads in unpainted pose form in a couple of days. :)

Petay1985
25-11-2011, 11:22
Looking amazing fella, your painting style is truely beautiful. Really pleased to see attention to detail in both narrative and models, it makes for a very enjoyable read. Looking forward to seeing more.

Spider-pope
25-11-2011, 20:42
Really great work, one of the best pre-heresy armies i've seen. Plus any blog that references Garth Merenghi gets bonus points. Speaking of which, perhaps you could include a wounded Iron Warrior covered in blood. Blood? Blood. Blood. Blood.His blood. And bits of sick.

Morden279
29-11-2011, 15:28
So crisp stuff , both pics and text, I wonder why it still isn't in any official GW publication. :confused:
Cheers!

Probably the same reason why the Predator lacks decent weapon options. You can't explain that!


Looking amazing fella, your painting style is truely beautiful. Really pleased to see attention to detail in both narrative and models, it makes for a very enjoyable read. Looking forward to seeing more.

Thanks very much! Want to include as much fluff and backstory as possible to back this project up. :)


Blood? Blood. Blood. Blood.His blood. And bits of sick.

Great suggestion. In fact - please - accept this shortbread. I'm sorry I haven't got any salt to go with that.

Some WIP photos to pass the time:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/sg01005.jpg

Reposed the arms and performed hand swaps to have the Astartes chucking a grenade; adds a bit more variety to the squad.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/sg01003.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/sg01002.jpg

Bionic leg from the FW Character Conversion set. This needed to be bulked up at the hip joint and foot to match in proportion with the Mk.III leg which is notably bigger than the Mk.VI limb it originally accompanied! I'm really pleased with the way the prehensile foot-claw appears to be clutching at the edge of the wall as part of the process of the Marine scaling it.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/sg01006.jpg

Myself and a friend are also engineering our armies with extra gubbinz to enable us to play with the Tempus Fugitives' The Age of the Emperor expansion. In this case, many squads have the option of taking teleport homers, which will in this case be represented by servo skulls. (Servo Arm upgrades are available, too!) :)

killerbot
29-11-2011, 23:52
love the models, love the painting, enough said, im subscribed :D keep up the good work

New Cult King
30-11-2011, 00:52
I've been trying to find a way to compliment your amazing work in this thread without just making gibbering flails at my keyboard.

To save us both some embarrassment, let me just say your work is utterly fantastic, and I'm loving it.

phagosith
30-11-2011, 18:33
Truely beautiful, but are you aware that the double headed eagle was only worn by the emp.children in the preheresy era. Otherwise, again truely beautiful

sheep
01-12-2011, 03:47
Lovely and well thought out work, I love the attention to detail and the individualism you're adding to all the marines.

Look forward to the next update.

Cheers

Sheep

Morden279
12-12-2011, 12:27
love the models, love the painting, enough said, im subscribed :D keep up the good work

Thanks!


I've been trying to find a way to compliment your amazing work in this thread without just making gibbering flails at my keyboard.

To save us both some embarrassment, let me just say your work is utterly fantastic, and I'm loving it.

Ta! It's a common reaction to many logs on Warseer - I get it whenever I see something by Gravis or DPM. ;-)


Truely beautiful, but are you aware that the double headed eagle was only worn by the emp.children in the preheresy era. Otherwise, again truely beautiful

Not so - the EC had the exclusive right for all of their Astartes to wear the Aquila on their breastplates. Doubtless higher ranking officers in other Legios would have had the right to do the same as a badge of status - hence it's position on the Ironclad sergeant - just not the rank and file. Thanks for the compliment, though.


Lovely and well thought out work, I love the attention to detail and the individualism you're adding to all the marines.

Look forward to the next update.

Cheers

Sheep

Cheers matey, I try to get away from the stock positioning as much as possible. Good paint jobs are one thing, but having the whole army looking mono-posed kinda detracts from the effect, IMO.

Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors Ironclads (Sternguard) With Combi Meltas

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sgfin01009.jpg

Servo Skulls are a common sight amongst the Astartes of the IVth Legion. Assigned on a squad-by-squad basis they are linked via short-wave signal to the internal HUD of an Astartes' power armour and can be manipulated via remote control. Consequently, they are often employed as forward observing apparatus, where their speed, small profile, and silent anti-grav motor makes them ideal for scouting enemy positions without being detected or easily damaged. This makes them particularly valuable in siege warfare and tunnel fighting in particular, where a servo skull can rapidly traverse sharp corners or blind spots and immediately relay any potential hazards back to its assigned squad. More sophisticated Servo Skull variants are known to house Locator Beacons and Teleport Homers, allowing front-line squads to call for targeted intervention from the Legion's elite Cataphractii via teleportation or Termite bore-transport.

An oft-raised question is why the skull of a deceased Astartes is used as the housing for the equipment's apparatus rather than an unremarkable casing of lightweight metal or ceramics, and many have accused the Iron Warriors of indulging in the macabre by doing so. When this point was raised by Captain Lu'Saav of the Salamanders early on during the Great Crusade, an unnamed Warsmith replied with his own Legion's cold, simple logic:

'Why waste the materials?'

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sgfin01010.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sgfin01005.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sgfin01006.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sgfin01007.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sgfin01008.jpg

GROUP SHOT (Sorry about the lighting)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/sgfin01014.jpg

Their transport will be a converted Sisters of Battle Repressor (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Witch_Hunters/REPRESSOR-COMPLETE-KIT.html); I've always really liked this kit as it screams 'command vehicle' and will really set it aside from the Tactical Squads' Rhinos. I'll be ordering it in the new year as part of an effort with some friends.

Those interested in my other project (see sig) I'll be returning to it shortly. :-)

Ithor
12-12-2011, 12:48
Looking excellent as always m'friend! Digging the servo-skull, that's a really nice touch.

the damned artificer
12-12-2011, 13:38
The squad is really great :D

I have just bought the new Land Raider Proteus and a contemptor from forge world, now my only problem is choosing a legion to start some pre-heresy marines myself :D I'd love to do a chapter that had some colours, as I have an iron warriors army, a mechanicus/iron hands army. I am thinking of doing pre-heresy dark angels, but again, they're black... Maybe an imperial fists army... What to choose, what to choose :p

Master Commander Ajax
12-12-2011, 15:25
Stunning work, makes me want to start an Iron warriors army!

donuter
12-12-2011, 15:58
Fantasic work mate. you should be proud

Sauragnmon
12-12-2011, 21:37
I just found this plog... and I am bloody impressed by the work done on things. Seriously awesome stuff.

Rogerio
12-12-2011, 22:47
I love your guys mate they look great!

The FW armor just makes them look so good, i have been planning on getting some for a while but have been distracted by my Tau recently!

Breazer
13-12-2011, 07:58
wow...very nice...
this squad looks great...im curious to the next ones as i really love these...

Petay1985
13-12-2011, 11:41
looking absolutely stunning as always fella, the narrative was particularly enjoyable too. Looking forward to seeing your next update.

shaw3029
13-12-2011, 17:15
This army is brilliant! Would love to fight it with my Imperial Fists. Keep up the good work!

LokkoRex
13-12-2011, 17:18
simply awesome, that last piece of fluff about servo-skulls is incredible.

Brother Handro
13-12-2011, 21:12
Quality, pure quality!

The painting and tweaking of the FW armour is top notch.

I loved the typically hard-headed fluff about not wasting materials too!

In fact, the only question I have is why haven't you been lured to TheGreatCrusade forum, where you work would be venerated even further? :)

Morden279
14-12-2011, 12:01
Thanks to everyone for the support! :)

To address specific points:


I have just bought the new Land Raider Proteus and a contemptor from forge world, now my only problem is choosing a legion to start some pre-heresy marines myself :D I'd love to do a chapter that had some colours, as I have an iron warriors army, a mechanicus/iron hands army. I am thinking of doing pre-heresy dark angels, but again, they're black... Maybe an imperial fists army... What to choose, what to choose :p

I really prefer the newer armoured version, but props for your commitment! My first consideration would be the ease of painting the actual colour scheme. I would have loved to have done Death Guard or Lunar Wolves, but white is an absolute b**** to paint. Additionally, consider a Legion lower down in the popularity stakes; just typing 'Pre-Heresy' into Google will give you an idea. :) Personally, I'd love to see the Alpha Legion done well, as they're pretty much the Traitor Legion everyone tends to overlook. (One wonders if that was their intention...)


Stunning work, makes me want to start an Iron warriors army!

Be warned - the hazard stripes take almost as much time as the rest of the armour. ;)


I love your guys mate they look great!

The FW armor just makes them look so good, i have been planning on getting some for a while but have been distracted by my Tau recently!

Tau? Pfft. Astartes rock, m'friend - get into the old Xeno-Facism rather than that soft Utilitarian nonsense! ;)


wow...very nice...
this squad looks great...im curious to the next ones as i really love these...

Sternguard Rhino next, after that It'll be a converted 'Goliath' siege tank (Vindicator) using the Russ and Vindicator kits. :)


This army is brilliant! Would love to fight it with my Imperial Fists. Keep up the good work!

Likewise! I have similar plans with a friend's Raven Guard. :)


simply awesome, that last piece of fluff about servo-skulls is incredible.

Every plog needs fluff, IMO. Got a narrative in my head that I still need to put into type. :)


Quality, pure quality!

The painting and tweaking of the FW armour is top notch.

I loved the typically hard-headed fluff about not wasting materials too!

In fact, the only question I have is why haven't you been lured to TheGreatCrusade forum, where you work would be venerated even further? :)

I've been asked this before, so I've just joined the forum. Some great stuff there - I've already gotten some great inspiration for Cataphract armour!

aghast
14-12-2011, 12:30
This...! I like!
Keep em comming!

the damned artificer
14-12-2011, 13:15
I really prefer the newer armoured version, but props for your commitment! My first consideration would be the ease of painting the actual colour scheme. I would have loved to have done Death Guard or Lunar Wolves, but white is an absolute b**** to paint. Additionally, consider a Legion lower down in the popularity stakes; just typing 'Pre-Heresy' into Google will give you an idea. :) Personally, I'd love to see the Alpha Legion done well, as they're pretty much the Traitor Legion everyone tends to overlook. (One wonders if that was their intention...)


I had just ordered mine when the armoured version was released, but I still prefer the standard proteus :) I am also planning on getting my hands on a deimos pattern rhino or two :P and am working a bit on converting a 2nd edition land speeder into an appropriate pre-heresy land speder by adding a bit of size to it as it is rather compact. I'll update my pre-heresy terminator armour thread (in my sig) to a full blown pre-heresy thread when I get settled in my new flat :chrome:
Also, I use an airbrush so there's really no problem colours for me ;)

However I am seriousely tempted to do an imperial fists army, maybe make the thread a bit like yours so that you have an adversary. Playing heavily on the rivalry between the fists and the iron warriors of course :P

Ohh I also have a contemptor, almost forgot :D

We'll see what I end up with :P

Peaoui
14-12-2011, 13:20
i have an iron warrior army and i wish they looked half as good as these!! the chevrons are perfect and the bronze is very nice. how do you paint the bronze? i find that GW dwarf bronze does not stick well.

Ettore
25-12-2011, 12:17
Wow, simple but very effective extra-detailing of the power armours and the paintjob...well...I saved your plog in my favourites because I will link it to my professional painter because I will my IW's to be painted the same as yours :D I'm not joking ;) great work!

Scrotrot
26-12-2011, 18:13
Awesome work.

DeSnifter
05-01-2012, 05:18
Your stuff looks fantastic, however one thing that bothers me is the blue plume on the commander. I think it distracts and takes away from the rest of the model. I would recommend doing something like this.

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt55/desnifter/IMG_1049.jpg

Morden279
05-01-2012, 08:47
I have to disagree; I personally don't like the use of hazard stripes as a decorative/heraldic device, as I feel it detracts from their real purpose of highlighting, well, 'hazardous' items and equipment. I like the blue, as it's subdued enough to mesh with the darker metal, but also add an extra colour to the palette. It'll be a leitmotif throughout the army, and is already married with the Warsmith's cloak.

Speaking thematically, I'd suggest that using hazard stripes symbolically rather than practically was a post-Heresy development in the IWs to remind the Imperium of the exponential amount of hazardous siege equipment they were forced to utilize at the behest of the Emperor as they later strive to tear down his legacy in revenge.

In any case, I'm with you 100% on your Mk.I Rhino-based efforts. The lack of ventillation grilles on the FW Deimos kit is what really lets it down, IMO.

Siph
05-01-2012, 09:53
Agree with you Morden279 ref. the plume, I like the Blue, however the hazard stripes are quite striking, and as for FW MkI Rhino's, nothing a little triangle of mesh couldn't sort out, it is a great model, especially the little details like exhaust stacks and bolter magazine feeds.

Morden279
05-01-2012, 11:25
Hazard stripes are indeed striking - they're what really makes the Iron Warrior's Colour scheme really something special; with the unfortunate exception of of the Sternguard Sergeant (more by accident than design), they'll naturally be appearing on all my Astartes. It's just their application which many disagree on, (though DeSnifter's model features a striped cable on the Thunder hammer, which in retrospect I myself should have done).

In terms of a project update, I've just placed a large order for 1 Predator and 3 Rhino kits by Machinator (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301929), the former of which is available from his eBay store Blood and Skulls industry (http://stores.ebay.com/Blood-and-Skulls-Industry). I'll be combining these tremendous parts with a bit of custom plasticard work by using DeSnifter's excellent Mk.II to Mk.I Rhino conversion template (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225932) to create the aforementioned ventilation grilles and alter the top hatches the RT-era design. :)

Scribe of Khorne
05-01-2012, 22:02
Beautiful stuff in here.

Morden279
08-01-2012, 12:23
And now for something completely different...

Knocked this chap together from spare parts for an upcoming Deathwatch event myself and some friends are planning. We're going to set it on the Judgement of Carrion, so I settled on an Iron Hands Techmarine kitted out for space hulk combat; hence the combi flamer and searchlight. I've always wanted to do a Plasma Blaster as well (which will come in handy for high toughness Nidri), so I added an extra muzzle to a plasma gun and cobbled a backpack together out of a Sentinel leg, SM Rhino HK Missile part, IG searchlight mount, and the SM missile launcher loader arm.

Especially pleased with the green stuff clan symbol on his breastplate to replace the regular Opus Machina. He's also posed so that bionic eye acts as a targeting monacle for the Plasma Blaster, with both being pointed in the same direction. Additionally, the combi flamer's scope has been hard-wired into his armour as part of the same system.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IHTM001.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IHTM002.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IHTM003.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IHTM004.jpg

chunk
08-01-2012, 12:43
That is excellent, I have never been able to pull subdued colour schemes. Can you tell me how you painted the flesh?

Noserenda
08-01-2012, 13:05
All superb work dude! Dunno how ive missed this plog before!

Morden279
08-01-2012, 13:39
That is excellent, I have never been able to pull subdued colour schemes. Can you tell me how you painted the flesh?

Sure thing:

- Chaos Black base coat
- Coat Codex Grey
- Coat Codex/Fortress Grey mix (leaving recesses in darker base coat)
- Progressive highlight of Codex/Fortress Grey mix, increasing amounts of the latter with subsequent layers
- Wash of Devlan Mud

I also imagine a light source shining from above when considering what I highlight. Consequently, the underside of the cheekbone is darker than the top because it's in shadow. The same goes for the tip of the nose compared to the upper lip.

the damned artificer
08-01-2012, 14:30
Absolutely love the IH iron father! Just finished reading the BL novel Iron Hands today, if you haven't already you should read it as it's awesome :D

I just realized I forgot to send you the pics of those cogs, if you still want to see them they're ready to send :D

princetyty
08-01-2012, 15:17
I love this mini !, a good master of forge for adeptus mechanicus...

it's a finecast model of techmarine?
I think buying one but I'm afraid of the reputation of Finecast

the damned artificer
08-01-2012, 15:30
It's actually the direct only techmarine, and it's not available in finecast :) But I have two of the finecast techmarines and except for the servo arms there wasn't much problems with the castings.

Petay1985
08-01-2012, 16:46
looking great fella, the Iron Hands Techmarine is beautifully well executed.

neovo
09-01-2012, 17:09
love the techmarine

Master Commander Ajax
09-01-2012, 17:45
Great to see some more work. A great use of bits with that Techmarine/Warsmith.

Morden279
10-01-2012, 18:51
Cheers everyone. :)

A small update whilst I wait for my very large Forgeworld order and Mk.1 Rhino bits from Machinator to arrive:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/door001.jpg

WIP Mk.1 Rhino engine vents usind DeSnifter's templates (link in previous post).

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/door002.jpg

Near-completed Rhino top hatch (again using De Snifter's template) made out of 1.5 mm plasticard.

This is the hatch for No.1 Tactical Squad's Rhino as one can tell by the numeral. However, I've decided to depart from the conventional arrow insignia and have my Iron Warriors squads designated by patterns of studs - both on their armour and vehicles. (Two vertical rows of studs denotes 'Tactical'.) On the hatch these are represented by discs which are simply pieces of thin plasticard garnered using a standard office hole punch. Handles are from the Russ sprue.

The Romanesque thunderbolt is a motif that'll be included throughout the army owing to its prominence in Pre-Heresy Imperial iconography. At the moment, the icon is merely symbolic rather than being a unit signifier or tactical recognition icon.

the damned artificer
10-01-2012, 20:12
Looking forward to seeing your mkI rhinos done mate, the grills are looking promising. And I like how you're mowing away from the classic markings for denoting the squads, also because I seem to remember them being introduced alongside the codex astartes. So by using debased versions of the current markings seems a good way to illustrate where they might originate from.

Uhh and what did you order from forge world ?? :chrome:

DeSnifter
11-01-2012, 03:12
I can't wait to see this. I love where you are going with the rhino! And the deathwatch tech marine looks fantastic!

Morden279
11-01-2012, 17:07
Looking forward to seeing your mkI rhinos done mate, the grills are looking promising. And I like how you're mowing away from the classic markings for denoting the squads, also because I seem to remember them being introduced alongside the codex astartes. So by using debased versions of the current markings seems a good way to illustrate where they might originate from.

Uhh and what did you order from forge world ?? :chrome:

I thought Id have a play around with the plasticard for the first Tactical Rhino's hatch whilst waiting for the Repressor to arrive, that'll have a different design for the Ironclad (Sternguard) squad. :)

The thing about Crusade/Heresy era material is that a lot of it is contradictory and anachronistic. For example, many of the Legio Astartes figure plates seen in the Index Astartes and The Horus Heresy - Collected Visions feature the Tactical Arrow squad designation, which you correctly state would have been a product of post-Heresy Codex Astartes standardization. (The fact that a few of these plates also feature Mk.VII helmets is another indicator of inconsistency.) I've no doubt that individual Legios would have had their own tactical recognation heraldry and insignia along with their own unique martial modus operandi, so this is my own attempt to encapsulate this.

I'll let Gary Oldman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyfbRz4ObFY) answer your last question.

(Ordering £250 worth of stuff - my entire army - was the only way of getting round FW's rather steep postage rates.)


I can't wait to see this. I love where you are going with the rhino! And the deathwatch tech marine looks fantastic!

Props to you for coming up with the template! :)

LokkoRex
11-01-2012, 18:37
hot damn, doesn't that techmarine look nice.

looking forward to seeing the pre-herresy rhinos assembled too.

BeatTheBeat
11-01-2012, 19:04
Now... The studs on that door are beautiful, but how will it open? :D

Cheers,
BTB

Morden279
11-01-2012, 20:09
Now... The studs on that door are beautiful, but how will it open? :D

Cheers,
BTB

Thanks, but am I missing something? :confused:

Hadriel Caine
11-01-2012, 23:52
I feel I ought to apologise. I've been meaning to post here for over a month but haven't known what to say. I think these minis are perfect.

the damned artificer
12-01-2012, 09:25
The thing about Crusade/Heresy era material is that a lot of it is contradictory and anachronistic. For example, many of the Legio Astartes figure plates seen in the Index Astartes and The Horus Heresy - Collected Visions feature the Tactical Arrow squad designation, which you correctly state would have been a product of post-Heresy Codex Astartes standardization. (The fact that a few of these plates also feature Mk.VII helmets is another indicator of inconsistency.) I've no doubt that individual Legios would have had their own tactical recognation heraldry and insignia along with their own unique martial modus operandi, so this is my own attempt to encapsulate this.

I'll let Gary Oldman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyfbRz4ObFY) answer your last question.

(Ordering £250 worth of stuff - my entire army - was the only way of getting round FW's rather steep postage rates.)




Yeah it's sometimes hard to figure out how it actually hangs together, but I guess that's the charm of it also :P And yeah the corvus helmets have always anoyed me in those pics (but I guess they didn't consider such things when the index astartes articles were made)

I'm modeling my Imperial Fists as I feel it would have looked in the great crusade, prior to all the trouble of the heresy when the quest for the galaxy was not tainted, this effectively means that I have limited myself somewhat to only use mkII and mkIII suits and using only a few mkIV suits to represent that the re-armouring of the legions with maximus armour have just begun. Any other odd bits of astartes plate I choose to include which is harder to categorize will effectively be classified as being customized by the legions artificers. I also got my hands on a few of the torsos from the red scorpion honor guard as they could easily pass for modified mkI chest plates, so they'll be used on the characters, as if the artificers have modified them to fit with their mkII suits.

I've also given it a fair amount of thought how to implement that the veterans and command section in general would include a large amount of marines from the later part of the unification wars as I've always thought that the main part of these vets was honored by being transformed into the first space marines ( the ones that weren't too old) and seeing as the IF's hail from Terra, it seems only natural that the chapter would venerate these first champions of the emperor.

Morden279
13-01-2012, 19:31
Indeed so, it's a bit of a Gordian Knot at times especially when those creating the latest canon mess around with the timeline so that it contradicts all the previous fluff as well as common sense (I'm looking at you, Graham 'The Outcast Dead' McNeill...)

If I could, I'd shake your hand. I really respect that much commitment and attention to detail in Pre-Heresy projects, and I really like that as a consequence, your army tells a story, rather than just being a collection of units.

The Unification Wars are a funny one I'll have to check up on. My perception was that the military arm used to achieve victory - The Thunder Warriors in their eponymous armour - had all died out either through combat attrition or mental/psychological breakdown as a consequence of their (then untested) early proto-Astartes modifications. Consequently, the newly formed Astartes Legions only 'mopped up' at the end and saw little or no combat. Happy to be corrected on this. :)

Anyway, here's a few pics of what I've done with the Sternguard/Ironclad Rhino!

Made the cupola heavy flamer (decorative only) of a pre-Heresy pattern with the characteristic flared nozzle. Also added an IG gun shield in order to provide its user with better protection - pretty prudent in siege warfare conditions:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/cupdoor002.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/cupdoor003.jpg

Also changed the turret Stormbolter to closer resemble two Phobos pattern Bolters linked under a single cowling.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/cupdoor004.jpg

As with the Tactical Rhino top hatch, the Sternguard Rhino's also features the unit's iconography; an Aquila surrounded by three discs/studs. (This motif is also on the Astartes' right shoulder pads.)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/cupdoor006.jpg

Petay1985
13-01-2012, 20:30
looking sterling fella. beautiful attention to detail as always.

Red Skullz
13-01-2012, 21:56
Boy I`m glad I`ve discovered this plog! Very inspirational, and a good show that "less is more" (then regarding colour scheme especially, but also the subtle conversions) :)

R

BeatTheBeat
13-01-2012, 22:19
Thanks, but am I missing something? :confused:

Uhm... Forget everything I said. I thought the doors were segmented, but looking at them again they're clearly not. Doh :D

Cheers,
BTB

the damned artificer
14-01-2012, 12:43
Indeed so, it's a bit of a Gordian Knot at times especially when those creating the latest canon mess around with the timeline so that it contradicts all the previous fluff as well as common sense (I'm looking at you, Graham 'The Outcast Dead' McNeill...)

If I could, I'd shake your hand. I really respect that much commitment and attention to detail in Pre-Heresy projects, and I really like that as a consequence, your army tells a story, rather than just being a collection of units.

The Unification Wars are a funny one I'll have to check up on. My perception was that the military arm used to achieve victory - The Thunder Warriors in their eponymous armour - had all died out either through combat attrition or mental/psychological breakdown as a consequence of their (then untested) early proto-Astartes modifications. Consequently, the newly formed Astartes Legions only 'mopped up' at the end and saw little or no combat. Happy to be corrected on this. :)



I can only say the same to you, your level of commitment is awe inspiring as I find many pre-heresy armies lack that extra bit of attention it needs to go from awesome to legendary and yours truly have that legendary quality.

Regarding the unification wars you are right, according to new fluff all the thunder warriors died before reaching any memorable age. But seeing as there's a lot of things that wouldn't fit in with this newer fluff I have taken the liberty to change it a bit.

First off, the space marine chapters maintain a number of mkI suits in their armouries for ceremonial use in the 41st millenium (those fortunate enough to have some left at least) and it would contradict everything in the "nature" of space marines to have these if they were not in some way an actual part of their legacy as it is shown time and again in the 40k literature that they're not especially nostalgic or have especially high regards of factions who are not astartes... So this leads me to conclude that the first astartes where indeed indoctrinated thunder warriors who had their physiques altered with the modified science of the emperor.
It might have been the last of the thunder warriors created by the emperor in the later years of the unification wars, when the process of enhancing them undoubtedly had improved, that managed to survive and become part of the first wave of the astartes legions.
Secondly, why should the astartes use the iron halo which is from the early days of the imperium, and as I remember used to be described as a symbol dating back to the unification wars, if they felt no kinship with the early proto warriors of the emperor. And I'm sure there's loads of other loose ends on the matter, but I feel it is an unsatisfying ending to them and their glory to have simply died out.

This is one of the better parts of the rather messy constantly changing fluff, that you are able to take liberties regarding the more ambiguous fluff that haven't been fulle fleshed out yet :D

Your latest work is looking so cool, and I love how you make an extra effort to make the weaponry match as well, as it's a real shame to see a nice pre-heresy army with the right patterns of suits and vehicles but still using goodwyn pattern bolters and such.

GrandDukeJerot
17-01-2012, 07:52
I just want to say thank you for making this. The combination of the commitment to excellence, and the large number of resources provided has led me to make my next project pre-heresy Iron Warriors. I expect the journey to be long and hard, but after looking at the models you have made, I am sure all the effort will be worth it.

Edit: Actually, after some thought, I realized I just want to do a Pre-Heresy legion of some sort. But this was a huge contributor, and I hope that my work looks half as good as yours!

tcraigen
18-01-2012, 02:09
Beautiful force. Great converting is surely happening in this log. I love the look of your models, clean, filled with character and not an overly common legion choice. I love it all keep up the great work.

the damned artificer
31-01-2012, 14:28
I just found some further proof of the proto warriors actually being space marines, I just started reading the flight of the eisenstein and on page 24 it reads;

"Thus, although they held no actual seniority over one another, Grulgor could carry the rank of 'commander' if he so wished, just as Garro was known as'battle-captain'. It was Garro's understanding that his particular honorific dated back to the Wars of Unification, to a moment when the mark of destinction had been handed to a XIV officer by the Emperor himself. He was proud to bear it all these centuries later. "

So from this we must conclude that the actual space marine legions were used to win the Wars of Unification, seeing as an officer from the XIV (legion no 14- the death guard) was rewarded this honour by the Emperor during these conflicts, and that is why some of the old honours of the astartes date back to the Wars of Unification.

So I'll stick to my interpretation :)


Will we see an update from you soon ?? as that would be awesome :D

Morden279
31-01-2012, 19:40
Boy I`m glad I`ve discovered this plog! Very inspirational, and a good show that "less is more" (then regarding colour scheme especially, but also the subtle conversions) :)

R

Cheers! I've tried to make the colour scheme as 'functional' as possible, especially in terms hazard stripes which I try to employ sparingly and within context. (I simply don't get it when people paint them on shoulder pads and greaves.)


Uhm... Forget everything I said. I thought the doors were segmented, but looking at them again they're clearly not. Doh :D

Cheers,
BTB

You had me going there for a minute!


I just want to say thank you for making this. The combination of the commitment to excellence, and the large number of resources provided has led me to make my next project pre-heresy Iron Warriors. I expect the journey to be long and hard, but after looking at the models you have made, I am sure all the effort will be worth it.

Edit: Actually, after some thought, I realized I just want to do a Pre-Heresy legion of some sort. But this was a huge contributor, and I hope that my work looks half as good as yours!

Thanks very much! A huge chunk of my time has been spent gathering resources and components from aftermarket manufacturers all over Europe as well as in the US - I'll be listing these as and when they appear in updates. I want to do things properly in terms of the materials and bits used, and if it helps others then great. :)

PS: I've always wanted to see PH Alpha Legion or the Night Lords done well. Nobody does the Night Lords.


Beautiful force. Great converting is surely happening in this log. I love the look of your models, clean, filled with character and not an overly common legion choice. I love it all keep up the great work.

Ta! What I lack in technique (dynamic shading, source lighting, etc) I make up for in neatness and attention to detail.


I just found some further proof of the proto warriors actually being space marines, I just started reading the flight of the eisenstein and on page 24 it reads;

"Thus, although they held no actual seniority over one another, Grulgor could carry the rank of 'commander' if he so wished, just as Garro was known as'battle-captain'. It was Garro's understanding that his particular honorific dated back to the Wars of Unification, to a moment when the mark of destinction had been handed to a XIV officer by the Emperor himself. He was proud to bear it all these centuries later. "

So from this we must conclude that the actual space marine legions were used to win the Wars of Unification, seeing as an officer from the XIV (legion no 14- the death guard) was rewarded this honour by the Emperor during these conflicts, and that is why some of the old honours of the astartes date back to the Wars of Unification.

So I'll stick to my interpretation :)


Will we see an update from you soon ?? as that would be awesome :D

I hate to contradict you (partly because for years your interpretation would have been viable), but The Outcast Dead completely puts to rest any notion of proto-Astartes surviving the Wars of Unification.

++SPOILERS++

One of book's antagonists is the last surviving Thunder Warrior - Arik Taranis - a pretty hardcore individual who nonetheless was both psysically and psychologically ravaged by his genetic enhancements, the design of which was only intended to provide the Thunder Warriors with limited longevity; just enough to conquer the Earth. (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Thunder_Warrior) Consequently, this would override all previous fluff suggesting that Thunder Warriors were reconditioned as Astartes for the Great Crusade.

However... I swear Prospero Burns and a couple of other novels describe units of the newly-formed Legios Astartes performing mopping-up operations on Terra after the Unification War had been won - basically dealing with a few remaining enclaves of resistance. In which case, some Legionnaires would have had pre-Crusade combat experience, and so soon after Unification would have inherited ranks, customs, and equipment from the Thunder Warriors via The Emperor and his representatives in the Custodes. Consequently, this angle is still open for your army. :)

In terms of an update, it's slow going now that I'm back in full-time work. I'll post a few pictures of the WIP Inclad Rhino on the weekend. :)

Morden279
31-01-2012, 21:13
Oh, go on then. But only because you started a new page on the thread... ;)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/prog.jpg

WIP Ironclad Rhino track sections - a kitbash of the great Machinator kits and plasticard work using DeSnifter's Templates (see first post for details). The glacis plate features twin thunderbolts cut from thin plasticard as part of the Pre-Heresy Legio motif. These are purely decorative and will probably later be accompanied by 'Legio IV' or an abbreviated version of this. :)

the damned artificer
31-01-2012, 22:00
I hate to contradict you (partly because for years your interpretation would have been viable), but The Outcast Dead completely puts to rest any notion of proto-Astartes surviving the Wars of Unification.

++SPOILERS++

One of book's antagonists is the last surviving Thunder Warrior - Arik Taranis - a pretty hardcore individual who nonetheless was both psysically and psychologically ravaged by his genetic enhancements, the design of which was only intended to provide the Thunder Warriors with limited longevity; just enough to conquer the Earth. (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Thunder_Warrior) Consequently, this would override all previous fluff suggesting that Thunder Warriors were reconditioned as Astartes for the Great Crusade.

However... I swear Prospero Burns and a couple of other novels describe units of the newly-formed Legios Astartes performing mopping-up operations on Terra after the Unification War had been won - basically dealing with a few remaining enclaves of resistance. In which case, some Legionnaires would have had pre-Crusade combat experience, and so soon after Unification would have inherited ranks, customs, and equipment from the Thunder Warriors via The Emperor and his representatives in the Custodes. Consequently, this angle is still open for your army. :)

In terms of an update, it's slow going now that I'm back in full-time work. I'll post a few pictures of the WIP Inclad Rhino on the weekend. :)

Ahh damnit :p Every time there seem to be coherence in the fluff it is washed away by new contradicting fluff :shifty: Well I guess I could make it work, as you say, if I go with the astartes legions being instated to help conclude the last stages of the wars. I think I'll twist it that way then :D

the damned artificer
31-01-2012, 22:45
The ironclad rhino looks awesome mate :D

I read through the link, an I think I can accept this version of the fluff, as it appears from this extract that the proto astartes were ,like the later (real) astartes, created from the genetic material of the primarchs, which would account for the kinship between the two types and would also explain why Garro refers to his legion as existing during the Wars of Unification because it actually did but at that time the legion consisted only of proto astartes which were later to be replaced with the astartes as the thunder warriors gradually died and wore out. See, now that makes sense to me and ties it all together :)

Here's the extract:
"It was during this dark time that the Emperor of Mankind developed the first genetically-engineered warriors to serve in his armies, the proto-Astartes, who were created like the later generations of true Space Marines from the genetic material of the twenty Primarchs, the Emperor's superhuman genetic progeny who had been created within his gene-laboratories beneath the Himalayan Mountains but had been stolen away still in their gestation capsules by the Ruinous Powers."

Ithor
01-02-2012, 09:42
The lightning bolts on the glacis are inspired. Brilliant work dude!

Interkino
02-02-2012, 19:55
I hope to see as soon as possible regarding your new project.
your work has gone really well :)
Will you do a project on Dantioch (ref: Age of Darkness) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Barabas_Dantioch#.TyrqIflnDXg
Cheers

Morden279
12-02-2012, 22:52
Ahh damnit :p Every time there seem to be coherence in the fluff it is washed away by new contradicting fluff :shifty: Well I guess I could make it work, as you say, if I go with the astartes legions being instated to help conclude the last stages of the wars. I think I'll twist it that way then :D

GW changes its fluff almost as often as its prices; both of which results in much consternation.


The ironclad rhino looks awesome mate :D

I read through the link, an I think I can accept this version of the fluff, as it appears from this extract that the proto astartes were ,like the later (real) astartes, created from the genetic material of the primarchs, which would account for the kinship between the two types and would also explain why Garro refers to his legion as existing during the Wars of Unification because it actually did but at that time the legion consisted only of proto astartes which were later to be replaced with the astartes as the thunder warriors gradually died and wore out. See, now that makes sense to me and ties it all together :)

Here's the extract:
"It was during this dark time that the Emperor of Mankind developed the first genetically-engineered warriors to serve in his armies, the proto-Astartes, who were created like the later generations of true Space Marines from the genetic material of the twenty Primarchs, the Emperor's superhuman genetic progeny who had been created within his gene-laboratories beneath the Himalayan Mountains but had been stolen away still in their gestation capsules by the Ruinous Powers."

I always thought that 'Proto-Astartes' was simply another name for the Thunder Warriors, as that's what in practical terms the Thunder Warriors were: a genetic testbed for the later Space Marines. What you're suggesting is that the 'Proto-Astartes' were an intermediate development between the Thunder Warriors and the Astartes themselves, which in retrospect makes sense, as these guys were developed using genetic material from the Primarchs. Chronologically, this makes sense.


The lightning bolts on the glacis are inspired. Brilliant work dude!

[Edge and Christian]Lightning bolts rule![/Edge and Christian]


I hope to see as soon as possible regarding your new project.
your work has gone really well :)
Will you do a project on Dantioch (ref: Age of Darkness) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Barabas_Dantioch#.TyrqIflnDXg
Cheers

Dantioch is one of the best characters to come out of The Horus Heresy series, IMO. If I hadn't started the army before reading The Iron Within, I would have converted Dantioch as my Warsmith and done the 14th Grand Company rather than the 10th. This attempt at Dantioch is pretty brutal (http://www4.osk.3web.ne.jp/~hasinaka/bd.jpg), and I'd have my work cut out to best it.

UPDATE

Semi-constructed Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors Ironclad Rhino:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icr002.jpg

Added the numerals 'IV' to the glacis to denote Legio number. As with positioning on Astartes shoulder pads, the Iron Warriors Skull Mask icon is on the front right; the squad designation will be on the front left.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icr003.jpg

The numeral 'X' denotes the Grand Company (the lightning bolt is merely thematic and decorative).

DPA
12-02-2012, 23:05
My jaw may have dropped.Maybe.I will of course deny it in public, but it may have happened.

Lextheimpaler
13-02-2012, 08:07
This is soooooooooooo much win

VenomBlood
13-02-2012, 09:27
This is soooooooooooo much win


I second that

shaw3029
13-02-2012, 13:54
Looks great! Superb! Are you using the Dozer blade that comes with that kit on the this Rhino?

kublai
13-02-2012, 13:58
WoW !!! Fantastic conversion !

Interkino
13-02-2012, 17:28
Dantioch is one of the best characters to come out of The Horus Heresy series, IMO. If I hadn't started the army before reading The Iron Within, I would have converted Dantioch as my Warsmith and done the 14th Grand Company rather than the 10th. This attempt at Dantioch is pretty brutal (http://www4.osk.3web.ne.jp/~hasinaka/bd.jpg), and I'd have my work cut out to best it.


Me too! Dantioch represent a man of honour and a proud Astartes.
I asked him because in my project I would to represent he as one of my "first eight" that is One of first GK grand master (I belive it then I read AoD).
In any case, your army is a great evidence that demonstrates your dedication to 40k (or better still on 30k), my congratulations ;)

Petay1985
13-02-2012, 17:36
very nice work fella, a really stunning amount of detail on that razorback conversion. keep it coming your log is a massive inspiration.

Stempe
15-02-2012, 19:27
Hi Morden,

Congratulations to these awesome models. You have some truly well done paintjobs, sculpts and conversions there, very enviable. Keep up the great work!


Kind regards,
a Mid-Heresy Iron Warriors player :D

Morden279
19-02-2012, 15:56
Thanks for all the support! :)

To answer particular points...


My jaw may have dropped.Maybe.I will of course deny it in public, but it may have happened.

My work here is done!


Looks great! Superb! Are you using the Dozer blade that comes with that kit on the this Rhino?

Without a doubt. It's probably the best part of the Repressor kit and will really differentiate the vehicle from the other Rhinos I have planned. The dozer blade mount, however, is really badly designed; the frame looks far too weak to actually deal with the kinetic force/resistance inflicted by the blade ploughing through rubble and debris. In practical terms, the resin itself had warped, resulting in a skew-angled fit on the Rhino. Consequently, I solved both issues by adapting the Leman Russ dozer blade mount, which works much better in each respect (see picture below).


Me too! Dantioch represent a man of honour and a proud Astartes.
I asked him because in my project I would to represent he as one of my "first eight" that is One of first GK grand master (I belive it then I read AoD).
In any case, your army is a great evidence that demonstrates your dedication to 40k (or better still on 30k), my congratulations ;)

Dantioch was a bad **************** in Superman 3! But seriously, I agree completely - I'd love to see him crop up later in the HH series, not least during the Siege of Terra. Including Dantioch in a post-Heresy role is completely feasible (just look at 'Inquitor Garro') and a good idea at that. :)


very nice work fella, a really stunning amount of detail on that razorback conversion. keep it coming your log is a massive inspiration.

'Razorback'?!? How dare you, sir! In this thread we do not use the R-Word... This is a Rhino! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7X_xmhPbW4)

(Pre-Heresy gear here only, matey - thanks for the kind words!) ;)

UPDATE

More on the Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors Ironclad Rhino.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/backbox001.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/backbox002.jpg

In further homage to the RT-era (and older pattern) Rhino, I've added rear-track mounted ammo boxes, which are also fluffy owing to the Iron Warrior's emphasis on firepower. The boxes themselves are Forgeworld Closed Ammo Crates which the company has inexplicably stopped listing on the website. I'll give them a call to find out the score. If they've stopped producing them a friend has kindly offered to cast up a few more for personal, non-commercial use. Conceptually, the crates are held in place within braces made out of thin plasticard strips and are released by the turning of two latches at the bottom of the track section, enabling the crates to simply slide in/out.

As mentioned earlier I also improved the dozer blade mount. It now looks a lot sturdier and more detailed than the FW mount.

Petay1985
19-02-2012, 20:38
ha ha, please accept my apologies for the improper identification of your armoured vehicle. I have overlooked the time period in question. Really great work again fella, every update is a pleasure to indulge upon.

neovo
25-02-2012, 12:19
wow, that rhino is awesome

Monsterzonk
25-02-2012, 13:03
That's a really convincing conversion. The Rhino looks brilliant! Now paint it! ;)

Cheers,
Monsterzonk :skull:

Morden279
25-02-2012, 18:11
Cheers guys. I was going to do a bit more today, but after consuming 1.5 bottles of wine, a pint and a Jagerbomb at a party last night I've been laid up in bed all day watching American Horror Story. I have, however, completed a rear-hull mount for a Havoc Launcher - all my vehicles will be sporting these owing to the option to take them in the AotE Expansion. They'll merely be cosmetic in the vanilla game. :)

Morden279
19-03-2012, 20:21
UPDATE

Assembled prep pic - Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors Ironclad Rhino.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ir001.jpg

Currely undercoated in Chaos Black, going to do the tracks tomorrow after consulting a few good guides I've saved over the lasy year or so; this is a personal favourite:

The Painting Corps: Weathered Tank Tracks (http://thepaintingcorps.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/friday-quick-tip-tabletop-tank-tracks.html)

Gen.Steiner
22-03-2012, 18:33
Congratulations on a truly inspiring plog, which I am going to borrow heavily from (in terms of organisation of posts that is ;) ) when I do my Raven Guard Great Crusade mechanised force. I love what you've done in terms of background and in modelling, and your painting is excellent.

ArcticWolf
30-08-2012, 11:16
Wow. I'm a long time follower of your IG thread, and I can't believe I haven't seen this until now. Truly amazing work, I espescially like the Sergeant - I think he's my fav.


My local wargaming club is aiming to take all 18 Pre-heresey legions to the next doubles tournament at Warhammer World, and as such I selected (Rather fittingly) Luna Wolves. I havent made a start yet, owing to the fact that it is quite an expensive project, but I aim to be starting soon.

I'll point out this thread to the chap who is doing the same legion as you, and I may even 'Borrow' some of your ideas. I too really wanted to use the 'Iron' armour variant for my standard Astartes, but apparently the Luna Wolves were one of the Emperor's favourites and therefore received new equipment quite early on, so I'll have to use the MKIV Maximus armour. I will however be mixing in some of the Iron armour into the Assault squads when I upgrade the 750pts list up to a full 1750 pts list.

Again, thanks for the inspiration!

Morden279
30-08-2012, 19:56
The sergeant is an ace model - and the only reason I made the effort to go to Games Day last year (though meeting Dan Abnett was a plus). :)

I'd love to get involved with something like that (via The Tempus Fugitives - I know they've started doing Crusade era events), but I'd (personally) be concerned about some corporate apparatchik at WW showing me the door owing to my use of third-party conversion components. Indeed, the bloke on here who's done that superb Thousand Sons force received a very dispiriting response after enquiring whether he could use his Terminators which sported non-GW legs at a company organised event. (It didn't matter that these constituted about 2% of the parts in the entire army.) In any case, I digress. I hope your lot has a good time of it - and good luck with your Luna Wolves. What points value are you going for?

By all means - he's more than welcome to, just a link back here would be appreciated, natch. ;) In terms of armour, its issue would be determined by A: The timeframe 'snapshot' in which the army is based, and B: The Legion itself, for the reason you stated, and C: The tactical utility of the armour itself. Concerning point C, I'd warn against using Mk.III armour en masse. It was not a standard issue variant (it's just up-armoured MK.II) owing to its weight, bulk, and heavy power usage which limited its deployment time. Consequently, I use it on my Sternguard, which are a shock/line-breaker unit not intended for prolonged deployment. Assault squads could - I suppose - use it, but it would - I think - be a strain on jump packs. I'd honestly stick to Mk.IV if you're planning a Pre-Heresy LW army, as Mk.IV was introduced about 50-20 years before Horus was corrupted. If it was earlier - Crusade era - it'd be Mk.II all round, which is the time period I'm going for. :)

In terms of an update, I'll have the Ironclad Rhino finished with pics up by the end of next week. :chrome:

ArcticWolf
30-08-2012, 20:48
Morden, thanks for the reply! We are being strict and saying absolutely no non-GW components. Even bases. Unfortunately this means I have to sculpt plumes on all my squad sergeants as I aren't even allowed to buy third party plumes. The doubles event is 750 points but I hope to be upgrading it to a full 1750 point army.

A plot will probably follow once I get started and I would be grateful for your input

Looking forward to the update!

Morden279
08-09-2012, 16:12
UPDATE

There's been six months without a proper update. WHAT? There's been six months of no Iron Warriors. WHAT? No pictures. WHAT? No fluff. WHAT? I've finished the Ironclad Rhino. WHAT? I've finished the Ironclad Rhino. WHAT? I said I've finished the Ironclad Rhino. WHAT? Here's the result.


Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors Ironclad Rhino (Sternguard Rhino)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icf001.jpg

The Ironclad Rhino is a heavier command variant of the standard Rhino design employed by the 4th Legion. Introduced almost immediately following the commencement of the Great Crusade, the Ironclad Rhino forms the mobile lynchpin of the basic Iron Warriors tactical unit - the Centuria - and is the assigned transport for a single Ironclad squad, which in turn constitutes the command section for two further Tactical squads of Legionaries.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icf003.jpg

Owing to its command role, the Ironclad design differs notably from the standard Rhino STC and features a taller hull to incorporate enhanced communications equipment. From here, the Ironclad Squad's First Sergeant can co-ordinate the Centuria's actions alongside those of the rest of the Cohort and the wider Legion chain of command. Apropos of the Ironclads' role as heavy 'shock' unit, the Ironclad Rhino enables its occupants to engage external targets through firing ports mounted along its flanks without exposing them to return fire - a problem with the standard Rhino's dorsal hatch. The Ironclad Rhino also features a unique weapons configuration, housing its twin-linked Bolters into a single offset turret, which in turns allows for the mounting of a dorsal commander's cupola capable of carrying a variety of weapons. This variant features a Heavy Flamer, the utility of which evident after the 4th Legion's frequent assignment to siege duties following the Justice Rock Compliance. The gunshield, however, quickly proved inadequate protection for the Legionary using the cupola weapon in the close-range firefights involved in siege warfare, and was soon replaced with an enclosed Chimera pattern turret requisitioned from Imperial Army armoured divisions.

The latest known variant of the twin-turreted Ironclad Rhino was intended to engage heavily armoured enemy units, and featured twin-linked Plasma guns in the forward turret, and a single Lascannon in the dorsal turret. (Additional power packs reducing the vehicle's transport capacity from ten to eight Legionaries.) Introduced shortly before the 4th Legion's campaign against the Hrud, the 'Vengeance Pattern' Ironclad's focused weapons proved poor at combating the mercurial Hrud. Perhaps unfairly, the design's utility was quickly dismissed by some in other Legions, including Rogal Dorn himself, who criticized Perturabo for 'not wielding the right weapons for the enemy at hand'.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icf005.jpg

As with many other 4th Legion vehicles, the Ironclad Rhino also mounts a Havoc Launcher in accordance with the Iron Warrior's unofficial maxim of 'Compliance through superior firepower'. The massed fragmentation rocket salvos from a Legio IV cohort not only have the ability to greatly reduce enemy formations, but also provide suppressive fire on enemy defenses and strongpoints, allowing Legion units to close quickly whist suffering reduced return fire in the process. The effectiveness of the 'hail of Iron' was evidenced during the final assault on Fortress Court of the Judges on Justice Rock, when the breech blown in the citadel's out wall was saturated with Havoc rocket fire whilst the Xth Grand Company led the Iron Warriors assault. Before the 4th Legion's deployment to Justice Rock, Perturabo declared his enthusiasm for the 'challenge of siege warfare', and bade the 51st Expedition's remembrancers to find precedents for the Iron Warriors' new purpose. A visible consequence was the naming scheme of many Legion vehicles after famous sieges in human history - this one bears the legend 'Jeruzalem'.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icf006.jpg

Like the standard Rhino Variant, the Ironclad Rhino features visible tactical recognition marks on its flank hatches, forged in brass, such as with this Xth Grand Company vehicle. The Imperial Thunderbolt device, whilst having no practical use in this respect, is a common and prominent symbol of the Iron Warriors' commitment to the Great Crusade.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icf009.jpg


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icf010.jpg

Bulldozer blades quickly became standard fixtures on 4th Legion vehicles during siege warfare deployment. The Ironclad Rhino mounts a super-reinforced variant, enabling the vehicle to create breaches in defenses or clear obstructions which standard 'dozer blades could not, thus allowing the Centurio's other vehicles to follow in its wake. These efforts can also be facilitated by the logis engine mounted above the driver. The magnocular and infra-red lenses visible on the outside are just part of an engine capable of allowing the Rhino's driver to analyze potential weaknesses in the structures of fortifications, which can then be exploited. Also prominent are the 4th Legion's Skull Mask icon, and the markings of the vehicle's Ironclad squad: a brass Aquila surrounded by three studs. The Ironclad squad's sigil is repeated on the vehicle's top hatch, enabling it to be easily identified by aerial units.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/icf012.jpg

An Ironclad squad disembarks from its transport accompanied by the Xth Grand Company's Warsmith. Warsmiths often deploy with a Centurio as their command section instead of specialist units such as Cataphractii.


Notes

Sorry it's been so long. My current job allows me to get home early and paint for at least 2 hours per day, which is great. My next task is one of the army's Goliath Siege Tanks (Vindicator). This will be an amalgam of the Leman Russ and Vindicator kits, the reasoning behind which is twofold. Firstly, this is primarily a Crusade Era army, and the Vindy was not introduced until the start of the Heresy. Secondly, and with cunning use of magnets, this vehicle's weapons will be modular, making it a compatible proxy for other canon/fanon vehicles, such as the Olympia Storm Tank, Thunderstrike Assault Gun, Sabre Tank Hunter, and possibly new vehicles which will be revealed after the released of Forgeworld's new Horus Heresy book.

More coming up. :-)

Corvussanctus
08-09-2012, 16:27
Love it! The fluff is as extended as the conversions! :yes: :yes: :yes:

muggs
08-09-2012, 16:55
Awesome stuff! I had to go back and read the tread again from the beginning!

Looking forward to what youre going to do with the (not) vindicator

unwanted
08-09-2012, 19:54
I feel almost dirty saying this, but those are some amazing Iron Warriors!

SacredBoltgun
08-09-2012, 22:22
NIIIIICE! Finaly an Uptdate. Whats next? A tactical cohort`?

ArcticWolf
09-09-2012, 11:55
Wow. That squad with transport is amazing!

synapse
09-09-2012, 12:50
has to be one of the few iron warriors armies i like (i rarely like metallic marines), though its really great! oner thing I love (if this makes any sense) is the texture that the infantry have, which is great. really lovely army, with good simple conversions. subscribed!

Petay1985
09-09-2012, 13:06
good to see you posting again fella, and what a treat for a return post. The squad and transport are looking excellent and as per you usual high stand the fluff is first class. looking forward to your next update with anticipation.

jønke
09-09-2012, 13:34
both moddeling and painting is pure awesomesauce. Might have to make my dark vengance chaos marines iron warriors after ive seen your work. Really stunning.

shaw3029
09-09-2012, 13:48
Very very nice! A really nice model.

kublai
09-09-2012, 14:18
Love it ! Glad to see some updates !

Jim
11-09-2012, 10:06
So pleased to see some updates!!!

Iron Warriors are not my fav Legion, but yours are excellent...I enjoy reading the fluff that accompanies your updates and the command rhino looks amazing.

Don't wait so long for the next post fella!!!

Jim

the damned artificer
11-09-2012, 11:49
Good to see you back mate :D And the command rhino turned out so great! :chrome:

More please ;)

sheep
11-09-2012, 14:37
Welcome back, awesome work as always mate.

AlexCrute
12-09-2012, 05:07
There are a lot of great pre-heresy logs out there, but there are not many better than this one.

Bra'tac
12-09-2012, 08:17
Can't find the words to describe how awesome I find the stuff in this blog!!!
subbed and desperately waiting for more:shifty:

Cheers,

Bra'tac

Morden279
16-09-2012, 14:34
NIIIIICE! Finaly an Uptdate. Whats next? A tactical cohort`?

I'm staggering the painting order of all the units in the army to avoid infantry/vehicle fatigue respectively. ;) Here's what I've been doing recently:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/pc.jpg

This Russ/Vindicator kitbash will be magnetised to enable the deployment of 3 variants: Goliath Siege Tank (Vindicator), Scorpion Tank Hunter (Sabre Tank Hunter), and Thunderstorm Support Tank (Thunderstrike Assault Gun (http://www.scribd.com/doc/72825068/9/LEGIO-IV-%E2%80%93-IRON-WARRIORS)). Until some great gun conversion parts from Machinator (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Blood-and-Skulls-Industry/Turrets-Cannons-Accessories-/_i.html?_fsub=2076654012&_sid=880453572&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322) arrive to facilitate this, I've been messing about with green stuff and plastcard. :)

Morden279
22-09-2012, 14:52
UPDATE

More WIP pictures of the Goliath Siege Tank.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/g2001_zps0fa403ec.jpg

Lightning bolts added to the crew hatch as well as the Grand Company numeral.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/g2002_zpsdf848ea5.jpg

Havoc launcher mounting completed.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/g2003_zpsf9ac1064.jpg

Magnetised weapon housing using Rare Earth Neodymium Magnets (1/8 x 1/16) (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190720852046?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649).

SacredBoltgun
22-09-2012, 14:53
Nice one, great use of both kits

DeathCat147
22-09-2012, 15:51
Excellent work on the Goliath, Morden279 :) My only concern is that those air intake fans look awefully exposed, especially to small arms fire. Surely any warsmith worth his salt would have constructed something to protect them?

G.Hawke
23-09-2012, 08:18
Hi mate, have you got any of the lore on the goliath? a quick search didn't turn up anything, and i couldn't decide if i wanted to use one in my pre-heresy IW force. Your conversion is awesome, you've got a great blend of parts to give that Pre-heresy feel. I look forwards to seeing what your doing with future units.

-hawke

Morden279
23-09-2012, 11:05
Cheers, SacredBoltgun. ;)


Excellent work on the Goliath, Morden279 :) My only concern is that those air intake fans look awefully exposed, especially to small arms fire. Surely any warsmith worth his salt would have constructed something to protect them?

Pointing out design flaws on a Warhammer 40,000 vehicle? That's like shooting fish in a barrel! For shame!!! :D But seriously, I think it's not too outlandish when put in context - after all, the Mk.I Rhino has four air intakes on its hull. ;)


Hi mate, have you got any of the lore on the goliath? a quick search didn't turn up anything, and i couldn't decide if i wanted to use one in my pre-heresy IW force.

Probably because there isn't! I created the Goliath after discovering that the Vindicator was created at the start of the Heresy, and thus would be anachronistic and inappropriate in a Pre-Heresy Legion such as mine, which represents an early Crusade force. (I'm being really strict with the fluff on this.)

The Goliath - a nutshell - represents the Iron Warriors' attempt to create a self-propelled gun platform at a time when many vehicle designs had not yet become available or simply had not yet been rediscovered by Crusade forces. Consequently, it was far easier to adapt the existing Army Medium Battle Tank chassis than taking the time to refinine the smaller and more complex Rhino to house a large-calibre support weapon, such as the Demolisher cannon. Subsequently in the course of the Great Crusade, the Iron Warriors were able to mount multiple weapons befitting various tactical situations on the Support Tank, with its moniker altering to deliniate each weapon system mounted:

Goliath Siege Tank (Thunderer - later Demolisher - Cannon)
Scorpion Tank Hunter (Neutron Laser, Laser Destroyer, or Vanquisher Cannon)
Thunderstorm Support Tank (Thunderfire Cannon or Thunderstrike Quad Cannon)

**Fluff Mode Turn Off**

I vanilla game terms, it's a Vindicator. However, by magnetising the main gun, I've made it a compatible proxy for a plethora of other vehicles over several rules sets, such as those produced by GW in Apocalypse (Sabre Tank Hunter), and fanon expansions such as the Tempus Fuguitives The Age of the Emperor (http://www.tempusfugitives.co.uk/pdf/40k/AotE%20Expansion.pdf), set during the Great Crusade. Inevitably, Forgeworld will also produce vehicles rules for a single weapon mounted on a tank chassis in their upcoming Horus Heresy expansions. In short, all I have to do is knock-up an approrpriate gun, and voila! :)

G.Hawke
23-09-2012, 15:06
Probably because there isn't! I created the Goliath after discovering that the Vindicator was created at the start of the Heresy, and thus would be anachronistic and inappropriate in a Pre-Heresy Legion such as mine, which represents an early Crusade force. (I'm being really strict with the fluff on this.)

The Goliath - a nutshell - represents the Iron Warriors' attempt to create a self-propelled gun platform at a time when many vehicle designs had not yet become available or simply had not yet been rediscovered by Crusade forces. Consequently, it was far easier to adapt the existing Army Medium Battle Tank chassis than taking the time to refinine the smaller and more complex Rhino to house a large-calibre support weapon, such as the Demolisher cannon.

You sir, have recieved a tip of the hat to you. I am going to steal this idea, without a single piece of remorse, since it is shocklingly appropriate as a design.

-hawke

semper_fi
23-09-2012, 17:10
simply briliant.. .... ive been browsing this blog all day looking at the pics love the simplicity of the paintjob but it looks just so .... cool

Mega Nutz
23-09-2012, 21:05
I've also been playing catch up, and concur with the above comment..... simply brilliant. Absolutely love the tight scheme and subtle conversion work.

Here's hoping for your take on the Warpsmith!

droken
24-09-2012, 00:14
Impressive! Big fan, I'll follow this. :-)

shaw3029
24-09-2012, 00:22
I really like it! It looks very very nice and so suited to the Iron Warriors.

New Cult King
24-09-2012, 00:39
I quite like the fans on the left side. Goes with the whole aesthetic. I love this thread :D

LokkoRex
25-09-2012, 15:41
nice!

you know there is a leman russ variant already that has no turret and instead has a hull-integrated demolisher cannon called the thunderer?

Morden279
26-09-2012, 20:10
You sir, have recieved a tip of the hat to you. I am going to steal this idea, without a single piece of remorse, since it is shocklingly appropriate as a design.

-hawke

Coolio! Just don't be like this cheeky blighter (http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=3059518&postcount=2589) who interestingly omits to mention my blog after posting his efforts... (Noboday can hide from Google Image Search!) ;)


simply briliant.. .... ive been browsing this blog all day looking at the pics love the simplicity of the paintjob but it looks just so .... cool

Ta!


I've also been playing catch up, and concur with the above comment..... simply brilliant. Absolutely love the tight scheme and subtle conversion work.

Here's hoping for your take on the Warpsmith!

He's a bit too Chaos-y for my army, but I will do a Master of the Forge (using the C:SM rules) at some point after the 1500 point core of the army is complete. Hell, who knows - maybe the 3rd Horus Heresy books's probable Iron Warriors list will contain rules for a similar unit? :)


Impressive! Big fan, I'll follow this. :-)

Cheers!


I really like it! It looks very very nice and so suited to the Iron Warriors.

Great stuff - my aim exactly.


I quite like the fans on the left side. Goes with the whole aesthetic. I love this thread :D

Always good to see fans of big fans on tanks. :D


nice!

you know there is a leman russ variant already that has no turret and instead has a hull-integrated demolisher cannon called the thunderer?

They actually nicked the design off the Iron Warriors and refused to give Perturabo any credit.
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/216/7nTnr.png

Will post an update on the weekend - the siege blade took a lot of time to align correctly with the tank hull owing to my need to adapt the existing Guard dozer blade mount. Lots of trial and error with white-tac; I'll make sure to include lots of advice for this part.

von Knoedelmann
27-09-2012, 10:29
Hello Sir,
I have to say that I love the work you`re doing here. Same goes to your Imperial Guard.
And with the new Heresybook from FW and the new minis I think I have to start a Legion myself. Looking forward to see more of your work. Big Respect!
Cheers
Phil

Morden279
30-09-2012, 15:50
To get the siege blade mounted correctly - both in alignment with the gun mount and distance from/angle to the ground, I had to modify the existing IG dozer blade as a mounting. This was done through a process of trial and error, and I used a bit of sprue and plasticard (2 or 3mm, IIRC) to facilitate this. Positioning the mounting in the exact right spot was done using white tac, with periodic comparisons and adjustments. Finally, the best position with marked out with pencil.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc004.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc005.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc006.jpg

After the mounting was glued into place, I packed the gaps with a couple more bits of sprue, and filled in the remaining crevices using MMD Fast Drying Green Putty, which after leaving overnight to dry, was then sanded smooth with fine emery/sandpaper and painted with Liquid Green Stuff for a final, smooth finish.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc007.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc008.jpg

Rivets were added using my homemade punch and die - other methods of making rivets are of course widely available on google:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc010.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc011.jpg

Owing to the lack of above-track headlamps like on the Rhino, I had to make my own using the current Leman Russ searchlight and strut mount using brass rod and a bit of styrene rod:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc013.jpg

Morden279
30-09-2012, 16:01
Recoil shock-absorbers using the legs from spare Sentinel kits. Because each pair of legs is not symmetrical, I had to use two pairs, then modify every second second leg to get two matching pairs. The inner joint caps are just hole-punched thin plasticard:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc009.jpg

The shock-absorbers are then mounted on the tank using the siege blade mounts from the Vindicator - pinning helps here:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc017.jpg

Added the targeter/rangefinder optics; if you look closely, I've put a deco bead into the hollow recess. This simply gives the device an extra lens and a bit of extra detail:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc014.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc019.jpg

Final profile shot. I'll be simultaniously creating two more weapon options for the tank as well as painting the vehicle itself. :)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/gc020.jpg

ArcticWolf
30-09-2012, 16:03
Wow, Fantastic conversion! Loving the overall profile of the tank, and all the little details make it. I especially like your attention to detail.

mr.silly
30-09-2012, 16:18
Looks awesome dude, and as to the comment about the vents being too exposed, why not try putting some sort of grate over them? With spaces big enough to see the fan still but looks like it could stop a missile.

baphomael
30-09-2012, 16:25
I've been watching this conversion in progress and liking what I'm seeing. It looks awesome, and the addition of shock absorbers is a lovely touch that adds great character. Really gives the impression of just how big a boom than gun makes if it needs additional stabilisers.

My only comment would be that they are still recognizable as sentinel legs... its no biggy, and it still works, but I'm not sure what could be done to make them less sentinal. Then again, the STC component could be derived from the same source anyways. A hydraulic leg is a hydraulic leg afterall, and could be a subtle nod to the ubiquity of early Imperial technology.

Either way, it looks pretty damn cool, and has a more brutal looking profile to the forgeworld equivalent. Siege shields make everything look more brutal :p

SacredBoltgun
30-09-2012, 16:36
Truly awesome, but i think it`s time for some more power armoured fellas, don´t you think?=)

the damned artificer
30-09-2012, 17:01
It's awesome mate, truly awesome! But you do know that the new sentinel kit have segmented legs right?? so you would have been able to pose them as you wanted if you've bought a new one ;p

I agree that more troops would be awesome :D But it's your army, and I'm sure whatever you add next will be great :D

Mega Nutz
30-09-2012, 18:02
Your efforts have culminated in another brilliant build... Awesome stuff!

rickie8437
30-09-2012, 18:07
Love the army dude, you have throwen me into a pickel now as i cant pick a legion to do my self and now ive seen this awesome Iron Warriors army ive added them to the list...

Do you plan to do only mark 3 armour or will you add other marks?

whats you take on unit leaders and the head crests?

great painting by the way

DeathCat147
30-09-2012, 22:20
Really top notch work on the tank. The recoil shock-absorbers really help to reinforce the image of the potential fire power of the vehicle.

Morden279
04-10-2012, 16:51
Thanks all! To address specific points:


Looks awesome dude, and as to the comment about the vents being too exposed, why not try putting some sort of grate over them? With spaces big enough to see the fan still but looks like it could stop a missile.

I honestly like the vents the way they are, and - to be honest - it enables me to improve on the background for the vehicle. All will be revealed once it's finished! :)


My only comment would be that they are still recognizable as sentinel legs... its no biggy, and it still works, but I'm not sure what could be done to make them less sentinal. Then again, the STC component could be derived from the same source anyways. A hydraulic leg is a hydraulic leg afterall, and could be a subtle nod to the ubiquity of early Imperial technology.

I think them being painted in the same scheme as the rest of the tank will mitigate this effect, as you'll then see the complete picture rather than a conglomeration of parts. Watch this space!


Truly awesome, but i think it`s time for some more power armoured fellas, don´t you think?=)

The first Tactical Squad is next! (Followed by their Rhino) I have the painting plan for my army so that I'm staggering unit types to avoid boredom. ;)


It's awesome mate, truly awesome! But you do know that the new sentinel kit have segmented legs right?? so you would have been able to pose them as you wanted if you've bought a new one ;p

The kits I have are the third edition Sentinels where the whole leg is fixed! Fortunately, the newer ones make the job easier for anyone attempting the shock absorber conversion. ;)


Do you plan to do only mark 3 armour or will you add other marks?

whats you take on unit leaders and the head crests?

great painting by the way

As stated a bit earlier in the thread, the majority of troops will be in contemporary Mk.II Crusade armour; Mk.III was only issued in small amounts to specialist troops owing to its increased weight and power consumption. Consequently, Mk.III is only going on my Sternguard as in real terms they're a 'shock' unit intended for short-deployments, and possibly a command squad if I expand the army from 1500 points vanilla C:SM to 2500 points for the new Forgeworld Legion/HH list.

Horizontal/Centurion style crests for Sergeants.
Vertical/Legatus style crest for a Senior Sergeants.

The above may change depending on the Legio rank structure naming schemes in the new FW HH book.


Really top notch work on the tank. The recoil shock-absorbers really help to reinforce the image of the potential fire power of the vehicle.

BOOM!

Morden279
04-10-2012, 16:55
UPDATE

Thunderstrike Quad Cannon:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/qc001.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/qc002.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/qc003.jpg

This weapon is to enable the tank to proxy as a prototype Thunderstrike Assault Gun, the rules for which are in the Tempus Fugitives' The Age of the Emperor rules set for Crusade-era Legions.

shaw3029
05-10-2012, 09:07
Love it! It looks brilliant!

Time for some paint? ;)

the damned artificer
05-10-2012, 12:59
Love it! It looks brilliant!

Time for some paint? ;)

What he said ;)

Vimes
05-10-2012, 13:21
Absolutely stunning conversion!:eek:
You really bring it to life! Looking forward to see some colour on it.

DeathCat147
05-10-2012, 13:22
Thats got enough dakka to make an ork jealous :D

CMDante
07-10-2012, 12:06
Haven't been active on Warseer in a while but thought I'd check in and stumbled across this log (the pre-heresy nature caught my interest).

Having read through it all to date so far I have to congratulate you on the great job you are doing. Love all the little additions and the shoulder pad casts have come out really nicely.

Keep up the great work!

Cheers,

Dante

andyg2006
08-10-2012, 08:01
Awesome attention to detail + brilliant idea of the legs as recoil-dampener-things + nice siege shield +...
An excellence of execution.

Morden279
04-11-2012, 11:45
Thanks all. :)

UPDATE

Neutron Laser Projectors:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/nl.jpg

Kitbashed using Blood and Skulls Industry Breaker and Laser cannons, plus syrene tubes, rod, and struts. I wanted to make them resemble the Forgeworld Neutron Laser (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Super_Heavy_Tanks/VALDOR-TANK-HUNTER.html) as much as possible in terms of profile; but the weapon itself can easily proxy as a Laser Destroyer to enable further use of the Sabre Tank Hunter's rules for Apocalypse, or use the rules for the Laser Destroyer Array, which is an alternate armament option for the Vindicator in The Horus Heresy: Betrayal.

DPA
04-11-2012, 12:01
I just finished Angel Exterminatus and I want to see more Iron Warriors from you mate. GET PAINTING! :)

Morden279
04-11-2012, 13:04
Not to worry, I've almost finished the second wash on the Goliath - next it'll be the highlighting stage, then the last wash, then all the other gubbinz (decorations, brass trim, hazard stripes, etc.). :)

Then I'll move onto the first Tactical squad to silence those badgering me for more infantry. ;)

SacredBoltgun
04-11-2012, 13:09
yehaaaa, great news!

WarbossTae
04-11-2012, 20:47
Your work is amazing! Iron Warriors are one of the most requested Legions on my youtube channel and I've gotten so much inspiration from this project. I especially appreciate how you've listed your sources as well as your color recipes on your first post, it really makes a difference for those looking to get a quick overview of your project. When I eventually start one of these project logs, I hope to use most of your format, because its easy to follow, very informative, and extremely inspirational. Keep up the great work!

Tae

PS - the conversion work you're doing with your vehicles is top-notch! Amazing greenstuff skills!

Steeefan
14-11-2012, 22:30
I can not wait to see it painted!

Mattyhavok
16-11-2012, 23:11
When is the next update? This stuff is amazing. I love the conversions.

Spjuth
17-11-2012, 13:48
That siege tank is pure awesome!

Morden279
25-11-2012, 12:26
Your work is amazing! Iron Warriors are one of the most requested Legions on my youtube channel and I've gotten so much inspiration from this project. I especially appreciate how you've listed your sources as well as your color recipes on your first post, it really makes a difference for those looking to get a quick overview of your project. When I eventually start one of these project logs, I hope to use most of your format, because its easy to follow, very informative, and extremely inspirational. Keep up the great work!

PS - the conversion work you're doing with your vehicles is top-notch! Amazing greenstuff skills!

Cheers! Logs should really be for the mutual benefit of hobbyists, not just forums for people to show off (although that is a fringe benefit). ;)

UPDATE

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ghd001.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ghd002.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/ghd003.jpg

Just about to start the second layer of the brasswork. :)

neovo
01-12-2012, 21:05
Really loving this tank, can't wait to see it finished

polomarko888
02-12-2012, 18:12
I really like the tank, how do you get such a smooth wash finish? I have just slapped on badbab black ink on my silver rhino and it is all blotchy, I would love to know how you get it so smooth.

Great work as always :D x

Morden279
02-12-2012, 18:49
I really like the tank, how do you get such a smooth wash finish? I have just slapped on badbab black ink on my silver rhino and it is all blotchy, I would love to know how you get it so smooth.

I use a medium/large-ish brush (Citadel Tank Brush size) and dip the tip of the brush in water after applying a good amount of wash to the bristles. This slight dilution I find helps prevent blotches. :)

polomarko888
09-12-2012, 19:23
Cheers Morden. Keep up the good work mate! :)

Siph
10-12-2012, 00:34
Dipping in Larium Fluid or 'Eavy Metal Medium does the same, breaks down the surface tension of the wash to prevent pooling and gives a smooth finish.

Morden279
17-01-2013, 18:50
UPDATE:


Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors Goliath Siege Tank [Vindicator]

A heavy support vehicle unique to the Iron Warriors, the Goliath Siege Tank and its later variants represents the IVth Legion's prowess at technological improvisation and adaptation. Early in the Great Crusade, The Adepts of Mars who supplied the Legions' armoury requirements were not yet in possession of the vast amount of STC data which would later allow them to construct a much wider array of vehicles. This was especially problematic for Legions whose combat doctrines advocated or required heavy mobile firepower, and vehicles resilient enough for attritional warfare - rather than those existing vehicles more suited to wars of manoeuvre and rapid strikes. Until lost construction templates were subsequently uncovered by conquest or compliance, some Legios had to covert existing designs to their needs, even if they were not a standard part of the Legio Astartes' armoury.

Based on the standard Imperial Army Medium Tank chassis, the Goliath was the result of the Legio's requirement for a siege tank with both strong armour protection and the capability to mount the large-calibre Thunderer siege cannon for the Justice Rock Campaign. Early trials which attempted to mount the Thunderer Cannon on a Rhino chassis had proved a dismal failure. Repeated test-firing of the cannon progressively damaged the vehicle's suspension, an issue which was exacerbated by the mounting of additional armour plates for protection - even before a full ammunition load was placed on board. The solution to use the Army Medium Tank was suggested by Warsmith Vallum of the Xth. Vallum, an Olympian, later claimed to not have not been 'unduly influenced' by a 'chauvinistic' Terran doctrine of only deploying vehicles specifically ascribed to the Legiones Astartes, following their consolidation after the Unification Wars. Whilst offering a smaller ammunition capacity than the prototype Rhino with its converted troop bay, the newly-created 'Goliath' provided greater armour protection without the need for modification, and - after removal of its original turret and sponsons - had suspension and running gear that could adequately cope with the weight of the Thunderer Cannon and its ammunition. The previous issue of vehicle damage through repeated firing in simulated siege conditions was in large part solved by the addition of recoil buffers mounted on the outside rear of each track unit.

Despite misgivings from other Legios concerning the use of vehicles deemed 'technologically inferior' to those more common to the Astartes Armoury, the Goliath had a devastating impact during the Justice Rock Campaign. In a matter of weeks, the rule of the Black Judges - ruling with egregious tyranny from within their fortified Court-Keeps and donjons - were brought low by the heavy guns of the IVth Legion. The Goliath was later refitted with the newer and more compact smaller-calibre Demolisher cannon, which, in addition to providing a greater ammunition capacity, utilizes rocket-propelled ammunition which provides greater range with a no less a degree of destructive force.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done005.jpg

The Sebastopol (continuing the Iron Warrior's current theme of naming vehicles after notable sieges in Terran history) is a later-period Goliath, and consequently mounts the Demolisher rather than the older Thunderer Cannon.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done006.jpg

A right profile of the Goliath, showing the single large crew hatch - which is also used for loading ammunition - emblazoned with the combined Legion Crest; the Iron Skull Mask, Legion numerals, and the Imperial Aquila with Lightning Bolts. The Legion Crest is rarely found on vehicles other than those of signal importance such as command land Raiders, and can be inferred as an emphatic mark of pride that the Iron Warriors have in this vehicle unique to their Legio. Also note the Xth Grand Company numeral in brass bolted to the smaller maintenance hatch. Mounted above the track unit is a war horn, a miniaturized version of the device mounted on Titans, but one intended to have the same psychological effect on enemy morale, and is traditionally sounded both before and after the destruction of a designated target.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done011.jpg

Rear profile of the Goliath showing the engine compartment. Whilst capable of a much lower top speed than the Rhino, Predator, or even the Land Raider, the Goliath is of course a support tank responsible for opening up breaches in enemy defences, and is not an weapon of rapid exploitation - a role fulfilled by the other aforementioned Legion fighting vehicles. Mounted on the rear of the vehicle is a supply chest - designated in the standard green - used to carry additional ammunition and medical equipment for emergency use by supporting Legio infantry. We are also allowed a rear view of the two recoil buffer units, which utilize a hybrid pneumatic/hydraulic system to mitigate wear on the vehicle's chassis and suspension which can be sustained even after repeated firing of the smaller calibre Demolisher Cannon.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done013.jpg

Left profile of the Goliath, showing the large ventilation unit in place of the original sponson, which has a dual role of both extracting propellant gasses and fumes from the main weapon's breach before reloading, and allowing the crew compartment to maintain a low, stable temperature through intake, filtration, cooling of the external atmosphere. Though crucial to the combat operation of the vehicle, the open fans on ventilation unit are vulnerable to (in rare cases) heavy weapons fire at range, and small arms and grenades at close quarters. Attempts to shield them with spaced armoured panels have not been met with success, owing to the inevitable result of reduced airflow through their obstruction. This is a problem which can only be solved by prudent use of cover and close infantry support, which is - one emphasizes - standard Legio Doctrine. Above the ventilation unit, the siege tank - like most IVth Legion vehicles - mounts the Havoc Launcher, which in the Goliath's case is used to suppress infantry and fortified emplacements at longer range whilst the vehicle closes to optimum firing range with its main weapon.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done015.jpg

Front profile of the Goliath and its siege shield, painted with the (worn but no less intimidating) Legio standard hazard stripes, and emblazoned with Imperial Thunderbolts around the embrasure - both a heraldic device and a signifier of the main weapon's destructive capability. The siege shield itself is one of the most capable pieces of wargear in the Legion's armoury for clearing away rubble and debris in the wake of a target's destruction, thus allowing for the free passage of infantry and lighter vehicles in its wake.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done017.jpg

Upper front hull profile. Note the improvised vehicle headlights using Imperial Army pattern searchlights, just visible mounted behind the top portion of the siege shield. They are protected by hinged armoured plates which can be lowered when the Goliath is in transit during low-light conditions. Prominently mounted above the main weapon mantlet are the optics of the Goliath's logis targeting engine, which includes magnocular and infra-red lenses which allows the crew to analyze potential weaknesses in the structures of fortifications that can then be exploited.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done018.jpg

Dorsal view of the Goliath, showing the commander's cupola, and two triple projectile launchers loaded with smoke grenades as denoted by the standard yellow scheme. Smoke is the most common projectile load for the Goliath's launchers, although many tank commanders carry a 4/2 ratio load of frag grenades (denoted in red) to smoke, which they feel offers the vehicle increased anti-infantry protection during finale assaults on strongly held enemy positions.


Thunderstorm Assault Tank [Thunderstrike Assault Gun]

After the success of the Goliath at Justice Rock, the design format was immediately put under increased scrutiny for the possibility of alternative weapon mounts. One such variant is the 'Thunderstorm Assault Tank', which, like the Goliath, undertakes a supporting role, but mounts a quad-barreled automatic cannon capable of a prodigious rate of fire, intended for use against troop formations rather than armoured fortifications.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done022.jpg

Similar in calibre to the standard Imperial autocannon, the Thunderstorm Quad Cannon differs in being a smoothbore weapon, which as a result reduces its accuracy but allows it to maintain a far higher rate of fire than its rifled counterparts. Firing medium-calibre solid projectiles, the Thunderstorm is potentially devastating against light vehicle formations and heavy infantry caught in the open. When deployed against an entrenched or fortified enemy, the Thunderstorm is employed as an 'area-denial weapon', and is used to suppress defenses with fire in order to allow assault units to approach with less opposition, or saturate enemy rear areas with a hail of shells to prevent the free movement of supporting troops and supplies.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done023.jpg

The Thunderstorm reached its greatest notoriety with the Iron Warriors contingent deployed to Ullanor. In his absence, and steadfastly complying to the Emperor's order to personally undertake the extermination of the verminous Hrud, Lord Perturabo ensured that a number of unique vehicles of Iron Warriors design were sent in support of the decisive war against the greenskin; both through tactical expediency and a symbol of the IVth Legion's ingenuity and commitment to the Great Crusade. The true test of the Thunderstorm's capabilities were tested when the five Iron Warriors grand companies anchoring the Imperial left flank were assaulted by a land-fleet of ramshackle Greenskin vehicles of myriad corrupt shapes and sizes. Supplied with five-dozen squadrons of Thunderstorms with pre-designated fire-lanes, the slaughter inflicted by Legio IV Astartes was immediate and horrific. Barely half of the ork force reached the Iron Warriors' front lines before the Legio's short-range weapons dealt their execution. 'We fired until our barrels melted' was the laconic comment of one Legio Thunderstorm commander.

Morden279
17-01-2013, 18:52
Scorpion Tank Hunter [Sabre Tank Hunter]

A divergent yet complimentary variant designed alongside the Thunderstorm, the Scorpion Tank Hunter has become one of the most potent anti-armour weapons in the IVth Legion’s arsenal.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done025.jpg

The Scorpion has been a capable test-bed for a multitude of anti-tank weaponry, ranging from the common Laser Destroyer, to the Imperial Army’s recently introduced Vanquisher Battle Cannon, which fires high-velocity high-density shells, to the experimental, potent (yet sometimes unstable), Neutron Laser Projector. (These are referred to as the Scorpion Mk.I, II, and III respectively.) What weapon a Scorpion mounts is often dictated by tactical necessity; for example, the Destroyer Laser is less effective in wet/humid atmospheres, and the accuracy of the Vanquisher is adversely affected on worlds vulnerable to gale-storms and powerful winds. The IVth Legion, however, is noted for their technological independence, and it is sometimes left to individual Warsmiths - and even Scorpion squadron commanders in some cases – to decide on weapons fits before deployment.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done028.jpg

This Scorpion mounts an experimental Neutron Laser Projector, a weapon that has proven to be particularly effective in encounters with the elusive elder, whose vehicles – relying as they do on the dark arts of gravitational propulsion – are especially vulnerable to systems damage, which the Neutron Laser is renowned for inflicting.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done029.jpg

Left side profile view of a Scorpion Mk.III. The presence of the ventilation unit is particularly important on this vehicle, owing to the large amount of heat generated by the laser’s power packs. The issue of the fans’ vulnerability, though, remains an issue, and it is best not to dwell on what affect an unfortuitous hit would have on the weapon situated directly behind the unit itself…

vendrid
17-01-2013, 20:35
Outstanding work mate truly so clean :)

zxyogi
17-01-2013, 20:53
Errr....just plain old awesome!

Blissful Brushes
18-01-2013, 21:55
Lovely, some fantastic work!!! Subbed!
Cheeky nod to the Crimea, Alesia next for the daddy of all sieges?

sheep
19-01-2013, 07:29
Stunning work mate, and i really like the work you put into the fluff descriptions and history of the weapons system, makes it more "believable".

Colonel Jacka
19-01-2013, 09:15
I with Sheep sunning mate and I love the use of the Sentinel legs as brakes. Brilliant Mate!

Jim
19-01-2013, 10:18
I really, REALLY love that tank!

Great fluff which helps describe the tanks in an 'in-game' charachter too.

Superb!

Jim

LokkoRex
20-01-2013, 14:58
that tank is a piece of art.

Morden279
22-01-2013, 15:58
Thanks all! To address particulars:


Lovely, some fantastic work!!! Subbed!
Cheeky nod to the Crimea, Alesia next for the daddy of all sieges?

Indeed on both counts! In particular this:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/seb.png

Name that film. ;)


Stunning work mate, and i really like the work you put into the fluff descriptions and history of the weapons system, makes it more "believable".


I really, REALLY love that tank!

Great fluff which helps describe the tanks in an 'in-game' charachter too.

Superb!

Jim

Cheers, lads. I really enjoy writing the stuff, and besides - having a context for what I do in my head not only helps gives the army character, but results in further inspiration for conversions and ensures contemporary accuracy. :)


UPDATE:

WIP Decurion (first Tactical Squad Sergeant)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/TacA001.jpg

...and the rest of the squad...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/TacA002.jpg

...and finally a shot of one of the Goliath's headlamps, which I spent quite a lot of time on but ironically is largely hidden from view...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/G1Done002-1.jpg

DeathCat147
22-01-2013, 16:44
The Sebastopol looks superb sir, just a pity that all your hard work on the searchlight is obscured from view by the siege shield :). All the background on the Goliath Siege Tank and its variants was great too :). I look forward to seeing more of your first tactical squad :)

I assume that the little doo-hickey/gubbinz to the rear right of your sergeant, in the first WIP pic is your pressmold for the legion icon?

Morden279
24-01-2013, 16:24
I assume that the little doo-hickey/gubbinz to the rear right of your sergeant, in the first WIP pic is your pressmold for the legion icon?

Indeed! It's not an exact science, and the kicker is preventing the GS coming away from the pad instead of the mould itself. The best way to prevent this is to drill holes on the surface of the pad onto which the blob of GS goes to increase the grip, and to only apply release agent (vegetable oil) to the inside of the mould and not the GS.

UPDATE:

Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/missilelaunchersuspensor003.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/missilelaunchersuspensor006.jpg

Components:

- Space Marine vehicle Hunter Killer Missile targeter box.
- Imperial Guard vox unit antenna bases.
- (Old version) Imperial Guard smoke grenade launcher.

Envisioning the Suspensor Web as being based on gravitic fields rather than a complex load-bearing assembly of struts and cables was a lot easier to convert. The missile launcher is thus rendered lighter and more portable through front and rear-mounted gravitic repulsors, which are more powerful equivalents of those employed in servo skulls.

Chaos_lord_100
27-01-2013, 19:57
Really cool work! Loving the army. I might have to 'borrow' that Goliath tank idea for my Just-post-heresy Thousand Sons :)

kublai
27-01-2013, 22:11
It is really fantastic how much detail you put into these. Headlamp is awesome.

The weathering on the the dozer blade is very subtle, I like it a lot.

This will an epic Army !

Keep up your fantastic work !

Shadowmancer
28-01-2013, 10:11
Hey look a Charge of the Light Brigade screen shot.

The army is looking amazing. As well thought out and executed as your BEF army

The Hairy Painter
28-01-2013, 14:37
stunning log love it

Hairy

Morden279
29-01-2013, 12:56
Thanks, all!


Hey look a Charge of the Light Brigade screen shot.

Boom. :)

UPDATE:

Three of the first four Tactical Marines from Ist Squad. Combat Qualification sigils, left to right: Missile Launcher, Flamer and Melta Weapon, Nuncio-Vox/Cognis Signum Operator.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/f4006.jpg

Morden279
08-03-2013, 12:57
UPDATE

First four of the Tactical Marines from the first squad; Special Weapon Operator, Sergeant, Singum Operator, Heavy Weapon Operator:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IWTS01001_zps74384b90.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IWTS01002_zps811522d1.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IWTS01003_zps8f3c24dc.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IWTS01004_zps8d8f480e.jpg

Closeups of the Special Weapon Operator. The left arm has been magnetised with 2mm diameter magnets so that the model is WYSIWYG with C:SM (Flamer), and HH: Betrayal (Melta Gun), whichever list I use:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IWTS01005_zps693a01c2.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IWTS01006_zps828cb408.jpg

Closeup of the Sergeant, in reality an Optio. (In the Legion List the Optio also commands the other Tactical and Support Squads in the Centuria. Collectively, the Centuria is under the overall command of a Decurion. There are three Centuria in a Maniple, which is under the command of a Centurion. I understand the butchering of the pre/post Marian rank structure, here!):

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/Morden279/Iron%20Warriors/IWTS01007_zps6aae0cc9.jpg

No fluff for now, as I've got a lot on my plate at home. Please refer to the first post in the thread for additional painting/converting info for the work evidenced on the models, which I'll add shortly. :)

shaw3029
08-03-2013, 13:27
Fantastic work as usual.

Liking the siege tank and all its variants. But surely you need a pair ;) love the name as well.

Hellbrandt Grimm
08-03-2013, 13:55
Ouch !!! Realy nice job !!

Love the idea to paint an Iron worrior Pre heresy army and verry impressive work on it !!

Keep it up !

HG

Hellbrandt Grimm
08-03-2013, 13:56
Ouch !!! Realy nice job !!

Love the idea to paint an Iron worrior Pre heresy army and verry impressive work on it !!

Keep it up !

HG

DeathCat147
08-03-2013, 17:29
Really impressive work on the latest marines Morden279. The sergeant looks suitably grim faced and stoic :)

VenomBlood
08-03-2013, 20:43
Sergeant is equal to jaw smashing effect for me. Amazing stuff.