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eldargal
30-09-2011, 06:52
I know you aren't supposed to restart locked threads, but in this case I think it is warranted as someone BoLS has posted a write up of GD UK which includes a lot of information not mentioned before and elaboration on some of what we already knew:

I was expecting some people to pick up at least some of this, but as no-one has, I thought I'd throw it out there. I didn't post straight away due to having persuaded the wife into going to Games Day by taking her to the Hilton across the way, and meandering home pretty slowly over a course of days afterwards! First time posting, so if I've just missed an old thread that meant it was old news, apologies...

Where things are in quotes, some paraphrasing may be happening - its been a few days since this was all said and I wasn't transcribing everything!

Second Forgeworld Seminar:

- I got the impression that while they would be doing more work on bits of Heresy era stuff, they wouldn't necessarily do anything Heresy _specific_ (IE: Anything that dates from the Heresy that hasn't survived to the 41st Millennium). This is just an impression, as I don't recall the exact wording - there was a lot of banter around things.

- The vote on the Macharius Omega was held in the second seminar as well, and most people didn't like the name either.

- When asked why Forgeworld didn't do more Necron stuff, Tony said that given the age of the Codex, it was probably better for them to wait until after a new codex was released...

- They will be revisiting old scenery products, possibly including the Fortress Walls, with the new hollow resin technique they are using, and intend to do more battle board sections as well as smaller pieces. These pieces should be significantly cheaper as the new technique uses less resin.

- Mark 1 Thunder Armour. Its really weird looking, and Tony wasn't sure it would able to be compatible with the other marks of power armour. Possibly something for the future, but nothing definite.

- Would they do books of tanks and background without the supporting miniatures? Probably not - because everyone would then be upset they couldn't have the miniatures.

- Monstrous Arcana would have rules to use the monsters for both Storm of Magic and normal games of Warhammer.

The definite impression I got was that Tony was being pretty up front about how Forgeworld operates. They have a limited number of person hours available to make stuff, and there is a vast ton of stuff they would love to do - from Ad Mech to scenery to Titans... Almost everything he was asked about making got a pretty clear answer - not in terms of _when_ but of how they would make the decision about when to do it, based on resourcing, demand and time constraints.

There was also some interesting commentary on how Games Workshop / Forgeworld make liaise about what Forge World is working on. Tony was pretty adamant he wasn't dictated to by the Design Studio, and that his office was only a door or so away from the chap on the GW end he needed to liaise with, so they communicated pretty regularly about stuff.

Design Studio Seminar (4):

Wade Pryce, the Studio Communications Manager, did most of the talking. Jervis, the WD Editor, and one of the hobby chaps were the three people on the panel.

I was desperately disappointed with the quality of the questions. With Wade making it absolutely clear that the seminar was not about upcoming releases and questions about upcoming stuff would not be answered . . . about half the questions were about upcoming releases. Of the rest of the questions, most were confrontational "Is GW about to mess us about?" type questions, when there was a really good opportunity to try and understand _why_ GW is making the decisions they are.

So, what was said that hasn't been reported elsewhere?

- The "reason" why Stormraven Gunships are Blood Angels and Grey Knights only is because . . . that's what the background GW have written says. I suspect most people tuned out at this point, but what was said next was interesting. More or less: "That's not to say that other Chapters don't have other gunships. I can tell you now that they do. We just haven't written about them yet."
(So, in short: we didn't want to backdate Stormravens into other Chapters, but given everyone is screaming for gunships, we aren't averse to putting new types of gunships into other Chapters...)

- Wade Pryce got as close to an apology about Finecast as I've heard without saying "sorry". He said that he (and GW) accepted that the quality of the Finecast models at the start had not been great, but that he was pretty confident it was now sorted. He also was very clear that if you were not happy about something you should contact GW directly about it, as they do listen to feedback. This was repeated on quite a few controversial things throughout the seminar, so I'm willing to see if his money is where his mouth is on that one and will be dropping him a line in the near future.

- Release schedules and advanced information: You've heard this spiel by now. But he did say up front "This is an experiment. If everyone hates it, we'll change back. Tell us if you don't like it." But effectively: "We want everyone to find out at the same time, either through White Dwarf, or through the Advanced Order section of our website."

- White Dwarf subscription deliveries. They said that it was not intended for people to get their White Dwarf a week after everyone else - but that no-one should be getting it early. The reason for this was to match the desire to control information about releases. This meant that as the vagaries of the postal service can't be relied on, it was likely that for the near future at least, people were not going to be getting their White Dwarf on the day...
However: He did say that he didn't like that, and wanted to change it, but while they were using outsourced distributors (can back this up, my letter about delayed release of White Dwarf this month had writing on it saying that it was by some big magazine distribution company), they weren't able to do that - but that was something they were looking at fixing.

- When discussing the hard backed Warhammer Armies books, he mentioned that he'd been asked when that would be done for 40K. His response? "Well, if I were you, I'd notice that we started doing full colour, hard backed army books after we'd done a full colour Warhammer core rulebook. So I'd be looking out for hardbacked codexes after we published a new, full colour 40K rulebook..."
(Seriously, why has no-one picked up on this comment before? Have I just missed someone posting on this?)

- Jervis, on why they developed Dreadfleet: "Because I don't _just_ want to be doing old stuff all the time. I want to do new, cool, and exciting things. I want to do stuff that means in five or ten years time, people are bugging me about 'Why don't you redo Dreadfleet?' in the same way that you do about Blood Bowl, Necromunda or Man o war."

- The Squats are a running joke at these seminars, it seems. They're dead, live with it.
;-)

- On specialist games: "Its not fair on our staff to expect them to be experts in every game they do. Particularly with the one man stores, we expect them to be experts in Warhammer, 40K and Lord of the Rings. That's a lot of stuff for them to know. These games have a strong following in gaming clubs and similar, and we support them by making most of the rules available as free downloads, and keeping the old models available."
(Honestly, if he'd just said "Shelf space", I'd have been OK with it.)

- When asked about whether or not any old models would no longer be available when GW moved over entirely to Finecast, they stated that they intended to keep on making the classic models they are doing, and they even sometimes brought old models back into production, such as with the Hall of Fame miniatures. In particular, if they were to have another old Hall of Fame miniature voted in that wasn't currently available, it would almost certainly be made available in Finecast. Things drop off the production map if no-one ever buys them, rather than because of a move over to Finecast.

That is now pretty much all I can recall on Games Day, but I recall anything else, I will post it up!

jspyd3rx
30-09-2011, 07:13
Very kool info. So should we call their customer hotline and complain about how they are releasing stuff? Would this help in making them go back to black boxes and preorders one month out?

Brotheroracle
30-09-2011, 07:19
Thanks for the summery. So apparently the 6th ed books will be hard back then? Any of the fantasy players who got one of those want to report on how durable they are?

bentley cat
30-09-2011, 08:01
cool nice info and nice to see someone paying attention to things other than forgeworlds display case

Polaria
30-09-2011, 08:10
Thanks for theresponsibleone for originally gathering this info and thanks for eldargal for daring to open a thread for it.

The only thing I wonder is was the original thread closed a wee bit too fast when we actually needed a new thread?

Binky
30-09-2011, 08:22
Would they do books of tanks and background without the supporting miniatures? Probably not - because everyone would then be upset they couldn't have the miniatures.

That was in response to a question about FW releasing books of concept art, he also commented that there was an element of the fact that if they didn't think a concept was worth making into a model then they wouldn't be sure that they wanted it shown off anyway and also the fact that elements of old concepts are some times taken on board for other models at a later date.

Maxis Lithium
30-09-2011, 08:31
Inviting Feed back? I have been meaning to write them a letter for along time now. There's alot of things I would like to pass on from my experience.

Guess I'll actually hammer it out and lick that stamp.

Note: It's been graggin obvious that the 6th ed book will be hard cover, and when it all hits, I am going to be one happy gamer. My pocket book, and my back pack will be much less pleased.

Sephiroth
30-09-2011, 09:07
Any of the fantasy players who got one of those want to report on how durable they are?

They're awesome, frankly. :D

misterboff
30-09-2011, 11:02
I was at the 4th WD seminar, and I recall Wade saying about other SM chapters not having Stormraven's in the 41st Millenium. My initial thought about this was will 6th edition advance the timeline (as rumoured), so other SM chapters will get them in the 42nd Millenium?

Also, he said that the current rumour lack/sudden release situation was to create excitement of seeing a new model and not having to wait long before you can buy it. I can see the logic, but I imagine most people prefer to know a few months in advance so that they can set aside some cash. I can't just find 70 to splash on Dreadfleet for example.

Ravenous
30-09-2011, 11:13
I like the stormrave comment "oh because its in their fluff" as if it was always there and wasnt shoe horned in, and that other chapters also have gunships.

Just put the stupid thing in white dwarf already.

de Selby
30-09-2011, 11:27
I don't much like the Storm raven so if there's any chance at all of a different gunship for the other chapters I'm all for it.

Although I'm not interested in Dreadfleet I'm pleased that Games Workshop is still actually inventing games. So more power to Jervis on that one.

Not so pleased about the spiralling costs of keeping up with the rules.

RevEv
30-09-2011, 11:41
Thanks for the information - some very interesting news indeed.

Looks like GW will now be getting a letter from me regarding the WD delivery date.

Last months arrived a week after release! Goodness knows when this months will arrive and yet they can get my Dreadfleet order to the store by Saturday and notify me of it's dispatch. Very disjointed delivery may be a result of outsourcing, but it is still not acceptable.

And as for Squats - let them RIP. They are not coming back any time soon, unless FW take them on as they have with Chaos Dwarves and make them cool again.

KarlPedder
30-09-2011, 11:50
Also, he said that the current rumour lack/sudden release situation was to create excitement of seeing a new model and not having to wait long before you can buy it. I can see the logic, but I imagine most people prefer to know a few months in advance so that they can set aside some cash. I can't just find 70 to splash on Dreadfleet for example.

I will even agree that showing pics of models months before they are released is probably not wise because you get a situation where the spangly "new" model doesn't seem new because you saw pics of it months ago. My argument is that telling us that there will be new models for X coming in the next few months, hell if its solid even telling us the specific release month is not going to reduce the excitement for the new stuff because we still wouldn't have seen it, but would still allow people to budget for a release they are interested in.

Maybe I'm just bitter because my mrs just dipped into the cash I've had stashed away to buy new Necrons, with the perfectly reasonable justification that hell I don't even know for certain they are coming let alone what or when. Oh and just on the rare chance that a GW person is paying attentions she didn't spend it on other GW stuff............

SunTzu
30-09-2011, 12:00
We let the SM player in our gaming group use the Stormraven even though he's not using BA or GK because, well, it's blatantly obvious that in the next SM Codex they'll have that option, so why make him wait? Nobody has a problem with it.

ehlijen
30-09-2011, 12:18
Argh, why make the codices more expensive by going for needless colour pages? There is nothing in the army list section that needs colour, nor in the armoury. Hardback? Sure, tougher. But I'd still prefer they stay as they are and don't jump up 50% or more in price.

EquinoxHobbies
30-09-2011, 12:57
Man, I hope they don't go to hard backed codices.

evilsponge
30-09-2011, 13:24
I can't wait to get hosed on full cor codexes like fantasy players. Also good to know fans aren't giving GW a free pass on the advance release issue.

Lars Porsenna
30-09-2011, 13:51
I hope they do go for hardback codicies. I like hardbacks, much more than softcovers. The fantasy ones so far have been very nice...

Damon.

Yabyahoo
30-09-2011, 13:56
Side Note: When I was at Warhammer World the saturday before the Gamesday UK, I took a peak throught the FW design studio windows. Noticed a concept drawing there with a kind of "Cyclone Missile Launcher" on top of the Stormraven. :)

-Yab

lastspartacus
30-09-2011, 14:06
Was anything mentioned of BFG? Its my favorite game and I heard from a semi reliable source that someone at GD said something about it being redone in '13-14'?

PierceC
30-09-2011, 15:26
[QUOTE=de Selby;5814203]Although I'm not interested in Dreadfleet I'm pleased that Games Workshop is still actually inventing games. So more power to Jervis on that one.
QUOTE]

To be honest, they didn't so much invent the game as rehash an old game (ala Space Hulk). I am not sure how similar they are rules wise, but concepts and look are very similar to Man o' War. Obviously the models have moved on but the idea of the Warhammer world on the high seas was already done in Man O' War. What I would like more is actual support of real game systems - Battlefleet Gothic and Necromunda spring to mind, rather then one off sale items which have very little replayability.

SunTzu
30-09-2011, 15:34
To be honest, they didn't so much invent the game as rehash an old game (ala Space Hulk). I am not sure how similar they are rules wise, but concepts and look are very similar to Man o' War. Obviously the models have moved on but the idea of the Warhammer world on the high seas was already done in Man O' War. What I would like more is actual support of real game systems - Battlefleet Gothic and Necromunda spring to mind, rather then one off sale items which have very little replayability.

Apart from the obvious "Warhammer with ships", Dreadfleet and MOW have almost nothing in common, whether in terms of rules, mechanics, theme, fluff or aesthetics.

Sadly.

Ravenous
30-09-2011, 15:39
I will even agree that showing pics of models months before they are released is probably not wise because you get a situation where the spangly "new" model doesn't seem new because you saw pics of it months ago. My argument is that telling us that there will be new models for X coming in the next few months, hell if its solid even telling us the specific release month is not going to reduce the excitement for the new stuff because we still wouldn't have seen it, but would still allow people to budget for a release they are interested in.

Maybe I'm just bitter because my mrs just dipped into the cash I've had stashed away to buy new Necrons, with the perfectly reasonable justification that hell I don't even know for certain they are coming let alone what or when. Oh and just on the rare chance that a GW person is paying attentions she didn't spend it on other GW stuff............

Take mandrakes as an example.

Rules got leaked, everyone saw that they suck, and no one takes them, despite being cool models.

If you saw the models before the rules you might buy them and hope for the best, if GW really wanted to screw with us they should release the codex a month after the models :angel:

SunTzu
30-09-2011, 15:46
Take mandrakes as an example.

Rules got leaked, everyone saw that they suck, and no one takes them, despite being cool models.

According to that theory, they should never release rules for any models. I mean, once you've bought the Codex, you have just as much of a chance to realise the rules suck as if the rules were leaked, right? So actually the leak makes no difference at all.

Ravenous
30-09-2011, 15:51
I think the difference is the time to make an informed opinion, another example: alot of people bought reavers but I rarely see them these days.

megatrons2nd
30-09-2011, 15:52
They're awesome, frankly. :D

Not when you compare the amount of pages, and price to 350 page core rulebook from Battletech which costs $39.99. Not to mention that I can expect that book to last me 20 more years as compared to the 5 or so for the GW one. For the price they want for that I should get 20 years plus of play out of it.

KarlPedder
30-09-2011, 15:56
I think the difference is the time to make an informed opinion, another example: alot of people bought reavers but I rarely see them these days.

Lol you mean people buy stuff they don't know the rules for? Heh guess I'm just not in as much of a rush. I'm hanging out to get my hands on new Necrons but I wont be buying a single new model until ive had my hands on the Codex for at least a week.

SamaNagol
30-09-2011, 16:23
If Mandrakes were a good choice people would scratch build them out of 3 different kits costing a vast sum of money. Or they'd buy them even if they looked like my 3 yo godson sculpted them out of play-doh.

The issue is that they suck in game. Things which have no functional value do not sell well.

It would be no different to if they made a separate Blood Claws pack sprue or something. People would only buy them for parts.

Yet TL Autocannon dread arms and TWCav are excellent units and they offer no official models for them (aside from FW and Canis obviously)

eldargal
30-09-2011, 16:30
Let's try and steer this back on topic, shall we? I'm all for meandering conversations but we don't want anyone with some more recollections about the seminars to get buried in a load of off topic posts.


I don't suppose anyone had the common decency to film the seminars, did they? After the success of the GD Chicago semianr filmds I thought someone would for sure.

Voss
30-09-2011, 16:31
Thanks for the summery. So apparently the 6th ed books will be hard back then? Any of the fantasy players who got one of those want to report on how durable they are?

They're pretty much exactly the same, but with a poor quality hard cover instead of a soft cover. Extra 4 tone colour, but, whatever.



The OP on BOLS makes me laugh with his commentary (and not in a good way). Of course people are going to ask about upcoming releases and be confrontational about an absurdly bad flow of information. Which is answer enough in regards to people not liking the the current advanced release practices.

Not sure what he meant about the hardcovers, either. I was under the impression that most of us realized the 40k codex would become hardcover with 6th ed. It was pretty obvious, and didn't need to be asked.

eldargal
30-09-2011, 16:35
If someone says at the start 'We aren't going to answer questions about upcoming releases' and you keep asking those questions, then you are just being rude. Wanting to know something doesn't excuse acting like a prat at a seminar. Not that I agree with GWs tightlipped approach, I'm not not a fan of obnoxious twits ruining seminars by asking the same questions over and over when they know they won't get an answer.

(hurray, back on topic)

herbtarkel
30-09-2011, 16:37
Loving that the 6ed books will be hard back; that's somethig I mentioned I wanted previously - and knew everyone would hate me for saying it - butthe books are just fabulous. Something to enjoy to use, not flimsy and thin.

Great things ahead for GW!

Thank you to the OP for the great summary!

Edit- having just browsed the rest of the responses, looks like I'm one of the few who thought great things about the seminar report? Hey, it's Friday, can't we all just be happy?!?

SunTzu
30-09-2011, 16:38
I dunno, you've paid 30 for your GD ticket and now you're spending 45 minutes in a seminar where they refuse to tell you anything that you don't already know... I think people asking about it anyway is excusable, TBH. Understandable, anyway.

misterboff
30-09-2011, 16:49
Let's try and steer this back on topic, shall we? I'm all for meandering conversations but we don't want anyone with some more recollections about the seminars to get buried in a load of off topic posts.


I don't suppose anyone had the common decency to film the seminars, did they? After the success of the GD Chicago semianr filmds I thought someone would for sure.

Someone asked and was told it was ok to film, but I haven't looked for it online (because I was there).

megatrons2nd
30-09-2011, 17:12
Loving that the 6ed books will be hard back; that's somethig I mentioned I wanted previously - and knew everyone would hate me for saying it - butthe books are just fabulous. Something to enjoy to use, not flimsy and thin.

Great things ahead for GW!

Thank you to the OP for the great summary!

Edit- having just browsed the rest of the responses, looks like I'm one of the few who thought great things about the seminar report? Hey, it's Friday, can't we all just be happy?!?

Do you work for GW? The price and quality I've seen on the ones they have is ridiculous.

Brother Weasel
30-09-2011, 17:14
Not when you compare the amount of pages, and price to 350 page core rulebook from Battletech which costs $39.99. Not to mention that I can expect that book to last me 20 more years as compared to the 5 or so for the GW one. For the price they want for that I should get 20 years plus of play out of it.

You can play it all you want...

other people like that they change rules and keep the system fresh every few years... so there is give and take... but remember, no one forces you to buy or play...

DarkMark
30-09-2011, 17:17
It would be nice if when the person asked about hardback they'd enquired about the chance of ebook versions too. I hope it doesn't take GW too long to cotton on its something gamers would like nowadays.

Anyways good catch.

DuskRaider
30-09-2011, 17:19
I'd have to agree that Mk. I Thunder Armor wouldn't fit in with the rest of FW's model line, both aesthetically & fluff wise. Thunder Armor has no life support, offers little protection, and fell out of favor (with the exception of ceremonial use) after the Emperor conquered Terra.

megatrons2nd
30-09-2011, 17:33
You can play it all you want...

other people like that they change rules and keep the system fresh every few years... so there is give and take... but remember, no one forces you to buy or play...

I play because I like the game. I buy what I want, when I can afford it. I don't like having the game rearranged every 5-7 years for no good reason. It is not fresh. It is the same background over and over. The only thing that changes is the strength of one unit type or another. The method of moving is the same. The way dice rolls are figured is the same. Turn sequence, yep, the same. Marines ignoring rules, same. Cover, different. Run, new. Vehicle damage method is resolved differently. You want to charge me you can do it faster now. My experience from 4 different states and 1 other country has been a charge biased game(and I prefer a ranged combat play style). Yay, the game is so different.


Making us buy $80 rule books every 5-7 years and now $40 army books every 5-10 years is aggravating. I must buy these if I want to continue playing the local tournament scene. Not to mention models to keep up.

herbtarkel
30-09-2011, 17:36
Do you work for GW? The price and quality I've seen on the ones they have is ridiculous.

Uh, no, no, and uh, no.

Love the hardbacks. Guess you don't like them, to each their own I guess.

Brother Weasel
30-09-2011, 17:38
again, you don't have to buy it, i know people who still play second edition...

if you want to play tournies then you suffer the price... In any event, not everyone feels like you do and enjoy having new things (and they are new if they play different) while we may not all enjoy the price, it's just a hobby.

2nd edition plays a lot diffrents then 3rd, 4th has some big diffrences over 3rd and 5th has diffrences over 4th.. are they all huge game changing, lets make assult happen before movement... no, and i'm glad as i dont' want to play a completly diffrent game, but i do like the rules tweeks...

so 6th edition is for me, and not you...:)

Lars Porsenna
30-09-2011, 17:39
Not when you compare the amount of pages, and price to 350 page core rulebook from Battletech which costs $39.99.

The core battletech book is currently $49.99 (source: the War Store; I already have my copy). Not to say that isn't a good value, but not as good as you're trying to suggest.

Damon.

Sgt John Keel
30-09-2011, 17:50
Making us buy $80 rule books every 5-7 years and now $40 army books every 5-10 years is aggravating. I must buy these if I want to continue playing the local tournament scene. Not to mention models to keep up.

Well, that's a problem with your tournament scene, isn't it? Magic: the Gathering tournaments don't seem to be limited to playing the latest "official" sets (although GW really doesn't have anything like the DCI).


- On specialist games: "Its not fair on our staff to expect them to be experts in every game they do. Particularly with the one man stores, we expect them to be experts in Warhammer, 40K and Lord of the Rings. That's a lot of stuff for them to know. These games have a strong following in gaming clubs and similar, and we support them by making most of the rules available as free downloads, and keeping the old models available."
(Honestly, if he'd just said "Shelf space", I'd have been OK with it.)

Grr. Still no excuse for not letting indies carry them.

t-tauri
30-09-2011, 19:46
Discussion is off topic. Off to 40k general.

megatrons2nd
01-10-2011, 03:07
The core battletech book is currently $49.99 (source: the War Store; I already have my copy). Not to say that isn't a good value, but not as good as you're trying to suggest.

Damon.


It was 39.99 when I bought it. So $49.99 as compared to $41.25 for about 3 times the pages. Not as good as before but you are still paying 3 times more than another book. At the rate of price hikes I will simply be priced out of the game. I expect the codecies to be $49.99 each by the time I get my armies done. Which of course I will not pay. Hell $33 each is at my limit for a single army book the $57.75 for the main rulebook has always been out of my range was never purchased. I got the mini book for $8 on ebay and have been using that.

@ Brother Weasel : How is it "fresh" if it is tweaks and not changes? The game doesn't play very different from one edition to the next. It just makes a change to make a change. I still do well with armies I designed for third(aside from my Tau which I was only ever average with anyway). Those armies are so used the paper is yellowing. Sure I had to adjust minor things do to point cost differences but the ups and downs in each codex really tended to balance itself out and the army didn't change but buy 1-2 models. The Tau, even with the organization slot changes, pretty much staid the same.

Voss
01-10-2011, 03:18
If someone says at the start 'We aren't going to answer questions about upcoming releases' and you keep asking those questions, then you are just being rude. Wanting to know something doesn't excuse acting like a prat at a seminar. Not that I agree with GWs tightlipped approach, I'm not not a fan of obnoxious twits ruining seminars by asking the same questions over and over when they know they won't get an answer.

It is a bit rude, but I sort of see it as a form of protest against the lack of information. The people attending the design seminars know what they want to see in them, and the GW folks know full well what the attendees want to see in the design seminar. If they aren't going to give the attendees what they want, the only real option is to ask for it, or simply accept that they aren't going to get it. Doing nothing in this case is a tacit acceptance of the lack of information.

Brother Weasel
01-10-2011, 03:44
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@ Brother Weasel : How is it "fresh" if it is tweaks and not changes? The game doesn't play very different from one edition to the next. It just makes a change to make a change. I still do well with armies I designed for third(aside from my Tau which I was only ever average with anyway). Those armies are so used the paper is yellowing. Sure I had to adjust minor things do to point cost differences but the ups and downs in each codex really tended to balance itself out and the army didn't change but buy 1-2 models. The Tau, even with the organization slot changes, pretty much staid the same.

depends on the army. My BA play alot diffrently from they did in 3rd, my orks play much the same, but there are diffrent options, sure i culd just keep throwing mobs of boys, and generaly do, but i could effectivly do other things as well.

quite simply, i dont' care if i pay a few hundred bux over several years on books (i acutaly have every codex from 3rd on) they last longer then all the video games i play...

I'm also rather uncaring as to how much another system costs, i dont' play that system. i like the GW minis and rules... and pretty much think the cost of a codex or rulebook every 4-6 years is pretty minimal to what i actualy spend on this hobby... happily i might add...

i've said it a few times, but the blunt answer is, if you don't like it, don't pay for it... GW isn't going to hear you over the sound of your money being deposited into thier coffers... or just stick tot he edition your are playing and don't buy all the new stuff.. or limit how many armies you play and then you only have to buy one codex... or.. or... :) this is an expencive hobby, we all know that, and they have been making bnew editions since second:) here we are comming to 6th of 40k... it's not a surprise, it should be an expected expence... (and agian, some of us like it... i sure think my DE army is better off for a new codex...

Brother Weasel
01-10-2011, 03:48
It is a bit rude, but I sort of see it as a form of protest against the lack of information. The people attending the design seminars know what they want to see in them, and the GW folks know full well what the attendees want to see in the design seminar. If they aren't going to give the attendees what they want, the only real option is to ask for it, or simply accept that they aren't going to get it. Doing nothing in this case is a tacit acceptance of the lack of information.

when they directly say they won't tell, you are wasting your time and disrupting the seminar, weather you like what they are saying or not. It would anny me in the audiance more then anything, even more so if you know you are doing it to be an ass.

megatrons2nd
01-10-2011, 03:55
I use to buy every codex. I had to stop because they got to expensive. I play Tau, Eldar, and Dark Eldar. I will agree the Dark Eldar are better than before. However the play style didn't change much. They actually reinforced the way I previously to played them. I did buy more because I liked the new models.


What do you do that you can afford to spend so much every year on gaming, if I may ask? I work for a nursing home, and have a wife on disability so have a rather limited income as most gets used to pay bills and in general live(eat, buy gas, pay rent/utilities).

Brother Weasel
01-10-2011, 04:26
stay at home dad with 3 kids actually (wife has a low paying job)... just don't have debt, and low bills... my extra money goes to my hobby... I also supplement my gamin income with a commission now and then, but that hardly pays it all... (like i got a storm raven and a furioros so far this year from comission)

as i said, codex don't cost that much over all, figure what 2-3 a year? a rulebook every 5ish? that's if you get every dex... (i do for several reasons) but it's not like i'm buying a new army every week...

i understand the play stile didn't change from the DE, but there is just so much more to them... if you want to break it down, yea, you have a warrior, you move him in a transport, you roll diece to shoot, and wound, they roll to save, next... but if that's all you are seeing in it... :) i find new units refreshing so that i can play a diffrent way.. i don't have to no, but i can... i could take my 3rd eddition ba list and do fine, but i want to bring the sang guard, or the SR or astorath...

in any event, we got so of topic we got moved...

Grimtuff
01-10-2011, 16:51
It is a bit rude, but I sort of see it as a form of protest against the lack of information. The people attending the design seminars know what they want to see in them, and the GW folks know full well what the attendees want to see in the design seminar. If they aren't going to give the attendees what they want, the only real option is to ask for it, or simply accept that they aren't going to get it. Doing nothing in this case is a tacit acceptance of the lack of information.

This.

GW's head in the sand over lack of info is obnoxious and pig headed. Wake up GW, you are not North Korea. You cannot control the flow of information in the age of the Internet. GW, this is not 1992. The Internet is accessible to practically everyone. Embrace it.

eldargal
01-10-2011, 16:56
I sympathise, but the problem is it stops people asking questions that may have been answered. That is what annoys me, accept you won't get answers about new releases and grill them on some other subject instead of asking futile questions. If people hadn't kept going on about future releases they might have been able to get some proper details on Finecast, or design studio decisions or who knows what.


It is a bit rude, but I sort of see it as a form of protest against the lack of information. The people attending the design seminars know what they want to see in them, and the GW folks know full well what the attendees want to see in the design seminar. If they aren't going to give the attendees what they want, the only real option is to ask for it, or simply accept that they aren't going to get it. Doing nothing in this case is a tacit acceptance of the lack of information.

lastspartacus
04-10-2011, 21:06
I heard someone in GW said BFG was due for a relaunch in two or three years. Anybody hear anything about BFG?

PANZERBUNNY
04-10-2011, 23:31
again, you don't have to buy it, i know people who still play second edition...

if you want to play tournies then you suffer the price... In any event, not everyone feels like you do and enjoy having new things (and they are new if they play different) while we may not all enjoy the price, it's just a hobby.

2nd edition plays a lot diffrents then 3rd, 4th has some big diffrences over 3rd and 5th has diffrences over 4th.. are they all huge game changing, lets make assult happen before movement... no, and i'm glad as i dont' want to play a completly diffrent game, but i do like the rules tweeks...

so 6th edition is for me, and not you...:)

People brainwashed into defending a constant price scheme that forces people to "update" rules that don't necessarily need updating.

There are games out there with more complicated rules systems than the warhammer series and they've stood the test of time without constantly re-inventing itself.

They've lost touch with the gaming side of their company over the years and are simply a massive monstrous assembly line of profit, but saying "don't buy it if you don't like it"? Come on. You just wait for the food prices to sky rocket 200% over the next few years.

Don't like it. Don't eat.

Unless there is a MASSIVE overhaul of the rules system, they shouldn't be releasing new editions. Period.

They change things for the sake of changing them now. May be they learned some valuable lessons from Microsoft. Pad the new product with "changes" and get it on the market every year.

I mean, who on earth play tests their rules that they need to be constantly revamped due to "un-forseen" playability issues.

Rant over.