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Wintermute
30-09-2011, 06:57
Its time for yet another White Dwarf Feedback thread, this time for the October 2011 issue (US 381, UK 382 etc).

If any of you wish to make more general comments about WD, please will you make them in the General White Dwarf Feedback Thread (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23972).

I would like to make a couple of other requests. If you post the score you have given to the current WD on the thread, would you please explain why especially if you have voted 1 or 10. I think this is useful (and interesting) for other WarSeer members reading the thread, it also provides useful feedback for others who read the thread which may include GW Staffers.

The other request is related to the previous one. Do not criticise people for posting their score and views about WD, I believe we are all entitled to voice our opinions without the the fear of them being criticised.

As always, all off-topic posts and spam will be deleted without notice.

Wintermute
The WarSeer Inquisition

DarkMark
30-09-2011, 13:34
I had a look through WhiteFleet today. Its basically just choc with Dreadfleet. I think they've used so much art work from the book, I doubt there be will be any you haven't seen when you open the box. I hate it when they do that.:(

Another one of those 'how to' assemble Finecast using the new hobby tools article, I guess that could be useful to someone. Also a couple of pages for painting fatties, and you guessed it, ships.

My missus was in magazine buying mode when I was in the shop, and I still didn't take it for free. Poor.

A generous 2 from me.

Tarax
30-09-2011, 15:39
Well, I was going to say: Spoiler Alert, but someone beat me to it. However, I didn't get mine in a store, it just appeared in the post. Yes! despite the letter I did recieve and all the other mentions, I got mine more or less when I expected it.

And, as the previous poster said, it is full of Dreadfleet. So, if you're into this new game, this magazine is something for you. If not, you'd better stay clear of it.

Haven't read anything from it, so I'll vote later.

Tay051173096
01-10-2011, 18:02
Over 50 pages of dreadfleet...

Dear gods has anyone seen the 40K battle report???

No lord of the rings...

Oh dear

JackBurton01
01-10-2011, 18:46
Might be the worst issue I can remember.

Tarax
02-10-2011, 07:09
So I have read it by now. Well, read it? It was more a quick browse. As I said earlier, if you're not interested in Dreadfleet, this issue isn't for you.

Standard Bearer was back to its usual dribble, this time about team activities, ie mega-battles, terrain sessions or other hobby-related stuff you can do with a group of like-minded individuals.

There were also some Battle Missions for Sisters of Battle and a slight painting guide for Ogres. This last bit, with the painting guides for Dreafleet, could be interesting, but only if you're relative new to painting.

Didn't read much. Gave it a 3, just for the Battle Missions and the painting guides. Could be higher if only I was interested in Dreadfleet.

SunTzu
02-10-2011, 11:35
It's sometimes hard to write truly objective reviews, because the things I am interested in might be different to what the rest of Warseer is interested in. For example, I thought I was going to want to buy Dreadfleet, went straight to the preorders page on the website, but then saw the models and was immediately turned off, so didn't buy it after all. I have no interest in Dreadfleet, but am I representative of anyone else? I can't make that claim! So I will try to offer several mini-reviews based on different subjective stances:

If you are interested in Dreadfleet, and have bought it already: there is probably nothing in this WD for you. It's all DF but you've got the game, so I expect WD doesn't add much of interest and probably repeats the info in the game itself. (To be fair, I might have my assumption wrong there, but I think it's a pretty safe bet).

If you are interested in DF, but have not bought it yet: good news! This WD is pretty much aimed at you. There is plenty of DF info in here to help you make the decision whether to buy or not. Only, I hope you're not waiting for your subscription copy to arrive (mine hasn't, I had to flick through a WD borrowed from a friend before I could write this review), because it might be sold out by the time your magazine gets to you.

If you are not interested in DF: be prepared to accept half the normal WD content or less, for the same price, and late "to accompany DF".

If you are interested in 40K: a tiresome battle report, and some battle missions, which are potentially quite interesting.

If you are interested in Warhammer: an Ogres painting guide... not much to say about it, it's pretty basic.

If you are interested in Lord of the Rings: there is nothing for you here.

If you love the photos of painted models that adorn every page and want to learn how to paint like 'Eavy Metal, perhaps in the form of a Masterclass article: presumably such people don't exist (well... presumably I'm the only one) as no such articles have been seen for months.

If you are stranded in Bratislava in Slovakia, and have an urgent need to buy Games Workshop models at short notice, but do not have access to an internet connection to do a web search for a local GW stockist, but you do have a mobile phone and a copy of this month's White Dwarf: great news! WD has you covered. 12 pages or so of shop listings, because a one-page advert for the GW website and putting all the stockist information on there just would not fulfil your needs.

Overall score: 1, worst WD that I can remember. Probably a 5 if you are still undecided about DF and want to find out more.

Unfortunately this issue has done nothing but prove beyond doubt the uselessness of a magazine as a vehicle for news, if it is only released to the paying public after the news has happened and been discussed to death on the internet (even ignoring sites like this, I'm talking about the GW website itself). The things that magazines could be appropriate for (in-depth articles, painting masterclasses, tactical discussion, philosophising on the nature of wargames and ways to keep it fresh and exciting) are conspicious only by their absence.

mattjgilbert
02-10-2011, 12:05
Oh dear... mine hasn't even turned up yet (so much for a subscription) and based on the reviews it probably will not be worth it. I'll obviously wait to vote until I actually get hold of it.

ctsteel
04-10-2011, 01:14
My subscription copy showed up yesterday (Monday 3rd), flicking through I notice in the 'News' section a big map of the Australian Games Day stall layout, mention of Phil Kelly being there and to make sure we all turn up and speak to him etc....

Except that the GD Aus event already happened on the weekend (1st/2nd). Massive fail.

The Clairvoyant
04-10-2011, 07:28
I've ordered Dreadfleet but it hasn't turned up yet (hopefully today).

I like this issue for the most part.

Two battle reports to show you how the game works, a nice little tactics article, though I suspect most of it can be picked up from reading the rules and applying those rules in my head into tactics.

The painting article will be especially useful.

Stuff on Sisters of Battle - no interest
Stuff on painting ogres - no interest
Standard Bearer - yeah, i already do that, but interesting read regardless.
Lord of the Rings - absent. Not that that bothers me
Adverts for 40k and fantasy boxed sets - now available in Dutch. This is UK White Dwarf. I'm reading this in English. I don't need to know I can get it in Dutch.

Stuff at the back - same as usual. Don't need it

Notable by its absence - whats coming next month.

Osbad
04-10-2011, 14:58
Still hasn't arrived in my local newsagent so I can't really comment. However the idea that GW may use it to discuss Dreadfleet - the first new game the have produced in a decade - is fine by me. What isn't fine by me is the fact that they relesaed it AFTER the game, which is a limited release and may be sold out by the time the magazine hits the shops!

Bloomin' loopy if you ask me!

Wintermute
04-10-2011, 18:07
Still hasn't arrived in my local newsagent so I can't really comment. However the idea that GW may use it to discuss Dreadfleet - the first new game the have produced in a decade - is fine by me. What isn't fine by me is the fact that they relesaed it AFTER the game

I have to correct you there, Dreadfleet and WD were officially released on the same day, 1st October.

Wintermute

eldargal
05-10-2011, 08:01
Very heavy on Dreadfleet, but I enjoyed the articles and the painting tutorials. Particularly the sea bases, painting sea has always been a blind spot for me. Haing said that, if you weren't interested in Dreadfleet there wasn't a whole lot else. The SoB missions were good, I enjoyed Standard Bearer which is seldom as bad as people make out and the odd bits of WFB stuff was a welcome relief if not particularly scintillating.

6/10.

zoggin-eck
05-10-2011, 08:13
I'm a huge defender of WD, even in its current form, but I was pretty disappointed.

I already bought Dreadfleet, so clearly I'm interested in the game, but the WD content added nothing. Ogres monsters was interesting as I don't own the book and may get around to Storm of Magic some day, same for the Sisters scenarios.

With Standard Bearer, I think it would have been a great reason to show some collaborative efforts from around the studio, instead of the (admittedly cool) siege spread they've show 100 times, and many own in the rulebook.

Not much else sadly. As has been said, the Australian Games Day info and map are hillariously bad, being too late to advertise it and surely anyone there will already be given a map of the layout? Surely this would have been more useful the previous month.

Osbad
05-10-2011, 09:44
I have to correct you there, Dreadfleet and WD were officially released on the same day, 1st October.

Wintermute


Fair comment and of course absolutely correct.

However the reality on the ground is that whatever the "official" release date, it was only available in the shop on my high street where I work finally today (Wednesday). Dreadfleet has been available in the SAME shop (at a 10% discount) since last Friday.

Not exactly the end of the world, I agree, but their policy of releasing the magazine on the same day, rather than a week early means that they were always more likely to fall victim of some SNAFU or other.

As for my vote, I'm giving it a 4. I'm OK with them pimping their new game in the majority of the mag, but flicking through it I found the way they had actually done it didn't actually make me interested enough to buy the magazine. I think it was just seeing page after page after page of the same models. The ships are nice and they are well painted, but I don't need to see sixteen different pictures of the same model in the one magazine. The remaining articles weren't enough to lift the magazine into the realm of "purchasable". Sisters ... meh, Standard bearer .... meh (seriously it is such a load of pointless waffle!), Painting guides.... meh.

GW are probably fine with that though, as given there were two huge double-page spreads advertising the 40k and WFB boxed intro sets, I guess their focus is on the complete 1st-time novice, even more so than usual.

Spiney Norman
06-10-2011, 07:27
My White dwarf arrived on wednesday, 4 days after general release, I wasn't really that bothered because 63 out of the 120 pages (more than 50%) were dedicated to nothing more than selling dreadfleet. I actually went out and bought the ruddy thing, I don't need 63 pages of WD telling me what a great decision that was.

Of the remaining 57 pages that may actually have been useful to someone there was an interesting article on ogres, additional scrolls of binding for the new ogre monsters and some interesting looking battle missions for sisters of battle.

Overall not bad, but woefully short on actual content due to the morose "buy dreadfleet now" messages sprawled over the majority of the pages.

SunTzu
06-10-2011, 12:47
The number of double-page photos of all the ships in Dreadfleet just in slightly different positions is actively embarrassing. Two in the first six double-page spreads IIRC.

RevEv
06-10-2011, 12:51
My White dwarf arrived on wednesday, 4 days after general release, I wasn't really that bothered because 63 out of the 120 pages (more than 50%) were dedicated to nothing more than selling dreadfleet. I actually went out and bought the ruddy thing, I don't need 63 pages of WD telling me what a great decision that was.

Of the remaining 57 pages that may actually have been useful to someone there was an interesting article on ogres, additional scrolls of binding for the new ogre monsters and some interesting looking battle missions for sisters of battle.

Overall not bad, but woefully short on actual content due to the morose "buy dreadfleet now" messages sprawled over the majority of the pages.

I have nothing else to add - that man said it all!

6mmhero
06-10-2011, 17:46
Well my copy turned up on Wednesday which was frustrating to say the least.

I was expecting a dreadfleet issue, but this was something else.
It is saved only by the ship painting article.

Not much of a review but haven't read enough of the articles yet, mainly been skim reading.

Fingers crossed all the interesting articles are saved for next month.

ted1138
06-10-2011, 17:59
Got my copy in the post today, two days after I received my Dreadfleet game. Not much in it other than Dreadfleet, so I have to ask, would it have made me want to buy Dreadfleet if I hadn't already? Answer? Probably yes. So why didn't they release this copy on time, and get more people to buy the game?

madden
06-10-2011, 19:33
My sub arrived today (Thursday) I only rated it 2 it's only saved by the storm of magic scrolls and painting(just),
Sisters of battle no intrest for me,
Dreadfleet love the ships but still not getting it( and yes the local stores could/have sold out before WD even turns up WTF)
And thats it for this issue the worst I've seen in a long time.

stahly
06-10-2011, 21:27
Wasn't too impressed, as already pointed out, most of the magazine is just Dreadfleet. As I don't own Dreadfleet, there was some good content to read about it, but there seems to be much repetiton of the fluff and artwork from the Dreadfleet rulebook. Also there were a lots of fillers such as devoting each ship a whole page, most of it only a big picture. The painting guides for the ships were good, the Ogre Army Workshop was too short and generic to be really helpful, the Scrolls of Bindings and scenarios for Sisters of Battle nice. Still no sign of an 'Eavy Metal Masterclass, meh. All in all I felt that they could have easily shortened the page count of the Dreadfleet articles by not using such huge and numerous pictures and make room for more articles.

ted1138
06-10-2011, 22:35
Far too many double(and quadruple) page ads, obviously they needed to pad this issue out a bit. Couldn't find anything about the next issue, so have no interest in getting it.
Going by this issue, new readers would have no idea that Forgeworld, Specialist games or Warhammer historical even exist, and they're the parts of the company that interest me the most (wouldn't hurt them to give more pages to LoTR, Black Library and Fantasy Flight Games too). C-

mweaver
07-10-2011, 05:03
Sadly, my copy has still not shown up. I think last month's wandered in around the 10th. From everyone's comments, doesn't sound like I am missing that much.

magath
07-10-2011, 09:52
Bought it for a train ride to work.

Wish I hadn't really. Waste of time and money. Nothing at all interesting in there, batle report is awful, I hated Man O War the first time round and I have no interest in ogres.

Having said that, it was useful for shooing away a pidgeon on Hull train station, so maybe its not all bad.

Tay051173096
07-10-2011, 17:23
Bought it for a train ride to work.

Wish I hadn't really. Waste of time and money. Nothing at all interesting in there, batle report is awful, I hated Man O War the first time round and I have no interest in ogres.

Having said that, it was useful for shooing away a pidgeon on Hull train station, so maybe its not all bad.

Is paragon station still cold and grim?

I went the Hull GW a while back and they were really friendly and avid readers.

Lord Damocles
07-10-2011, 18:37
My reaction upon having flipped through it was 'eugh'. Which just about sums it up.

shelfunit.
07-10-2011, 18:39
Please Lord D - don't leave it at that - your disections of a once great magazine reinforce my descision not to renew my sub every time I read them.

Lord Damocles
07-10-2011, 18:46
Please Lord D - don't leave it at that - your disections of a once great magazine reinforce my descision not to renew my sub every time I read them.
Erm, thanks. I guess :p


I'll get round to doing a usual 'complain about everything giganti-post' review in the near future then (I'll edit into this post, I suppose).

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EDITATION:



Man’o’War 2: Now with extra Grimdark!


Editiorial – ‘...we’ve gone overboard with coverage of Dreadfleet...’ Yeah. You have. That’s not a good thing.
Poor

News/New Releases – Dreadfleet. Also some stuff that isn’t Dreadfleet.
The extract from Dreadfleet (I sense a theme here) is pointlessly short.
My copy doesn’t have a map of Gamesday Australia :(. What if I fall into a rift in spacetime and find myself in last week on the other side of the world. What then GW? What then?
Poor

Death on the Ocean Waves (Dreadfleet) – Don’t mention [the] Man’o’War! The third double-page spread of Dreadfleet in twelve pages. At this point half the magazine has been double-page spreads of Dreadfleet (not counting the other two pages which feature Dreadfleet, or the extract from Dreadfleet)!
Now, I’ve already seen Dreadfleet and looked through the rulebook. I was able to do this because my copy of White Dwarf was delayed so that I couldn’t see Dreadfleet early. Or something...
The designers’ note thingies aren’t very illuminating, and verge on the incredibly sycophantic at times (’I pick up the Heldenhammer and marvel at the intricate detail...’ Oh, I was just sick a little in my mouth :eyebrows:).
The page after page of big pictures of the ships with a little fluff on them are pointless. If you’ve bought Dreadfleet you have the information anyway. If you’re going to buy Dreadfleet you’ll get the information. If you don’t already own, or aren’t intending to buy Dreadfleet, you probably don’t care all that much.
Poor

[B]Corpse Reef (Dreadfleet Battle Report) – Actually rather decent. It provides a reasonable run-through of the rules and is explained clearly enough that what’s going on can be easily followed by someone who has little idea of the mechanics of the game.
Good

- Oh look; a double page spread of Dreadfleet –

Tactica Dreadfleet – I’m guessing that most of the tactics could be reasonably deduced by just reading through the rulebook, but it’s OK. I don’t know if a one-off boxed game really deserves a tactica in white Dwarf though?
OK

Warpstone Hunt (Dreadfleet Battle Report) – Suffers for having too much going on at once. Not as easy to follow as the previous report. The maps are pretty crazy.
OK

- Two double-page spreads of Dreadfleet on dry land -

Standard Bearer – What? You can do stuff with other people? Loving the Dreadfleet reference (by which I mean, I’m really not).
Why not show some cool group projects or something? Anything? Please..?
Poor

Hobby Essentials: Citadel Tools – Oh. My. God. A six page guide (followed by a handy double-page spread just in case you missed all the pictures on the first page) on putting together a single model. There’s a step-by-step guide to gluing two pieces of resin together.
I’d love to know who in their right mind would bother using the special new brush to get dust off of a plastic horse.
Poor

Army Workshop: Ogre Kingdoms – Lets take some Ogre models, build them just like the studio army, and then paint them just like the studio army (minus the blue trousers): Looks just like the studio army. And then the studio army is shown on a double-page spread immediately after the article!
Poor

Scrolls of Binding (Thundertusk, Mournfang, Stonehorn) – Why weren’t these in last month’s issue? We’ve had basicly the same content (the rules for the thingama-tusk and whatchama-horn) two issues in a row.
Points for new rules I suppose.
OK

Battle Missions: Sisters of Battle – Showing once again why spaces should have been left in the ‘how to roll a Battle Mission’ chart.
The first two pages are a pointless re-hash of the background from the last two issues.
Defend the Shrine looks suspiciously like Defend the Shrine from Codex: Witch Hunters.
Note how if the Arch Heretic in Purge The Arch-Heretic is wounded by the Ardent Blade’s shooting attack (you know, that thing that works just like a Flamer and has background to match), the Sisters player doesn’t get bonus victory points.
Good since it’s new missions (which seem to work at least as well as the rest of the Battle Missions).
Then there’s the obviously fake ‘Battle Scenes’ picture (Ooh, double-page spread). The text claims that the battle involves Sisters from the Order of the Argent Shroud. They’re clearly [post-998.M41] Order of Our Martyred Lady!

- Double-page spread of 40K –

Followed by...

Painting Workshop: Dreadfleet – Double-page spread of Dreadfleet!
The actual painting guides are OK. We’ve seen them all before, really (exception how to paint water), but they’re decent enough.
Good

Stuff at the Back – Lord Damocles’ store of the month: Colores y Miniaturas. In Peru. Goddamn Peru! Why would I possibly care about that? (that’s not a rhetorical question. I demand answers!)
Poor

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Dreadfleet. Dreadfleet Dreadfleet. Dreadfleet Dreadfleet Dreadfleet. Dreadfleet.
Did I mention that this issue has Dreadfleet in it? There are some double-page spreads of Dreadfleet.
Dreadfleet.

I have no great interest in Dreadfleet. Then again, I have no great interest in Fantasy or the various spinoff games either: but good articles can *make* me interested in them ('... No one liked Pietr'. (Now there's an obscure reference :p)). The Dreadfleet artciles didn't make me interested in Dreadfleet. Possibly the sheer amount of Dreadfleet works against it. Dreadfleet.

The huge number of double-page spreads is also extremely noticeable in this issue.

Also no Lord of the Rings.

I think this is probably the worst issue of White Dwarf for me in a long time. The only article which really interested me was the Battle Missions, and that wasn't really great. I'm tempted to give it a 1; but that might be a little harsh (I think I gave the infamous giant issue a 1?) I'll be generous for once and give it a 2 this month.

Mirbeau
08-10-2011, 01:08
It's sometimes hard to write truly objective reviews, because the things I am interested in might be different to what the rest of Warseer is interested in. For example, I thought I was going to want to buy Dreadfleet, went straight to the preorders page on the website, but then saw the models and was immediately turned off, so didn't buy it after all. I have no interest in Dreadfleet, but am I representative of anyone else? I can't make that claim! So I will try to offer several mini-reviews based on different subjective stances:

If you are interested in Dreadfleet, and have bought it already: there is probably nothing in this WD for you. It's all DF but you've got the game, so I expect WD doesn't add much of interest and probably repeats the info in the game itself. (To be fair, I might have my assumption wrong there, but I think it's a pretty safe bet).

If you are interested in DF, but have not bought it yet: good news! This WD is pretty much aimed at you. There is plenty of DF info in here to help you make the decision whether to buy or not. Only, I hope you're not waiting for your subscription copy to arrive (mine hasn't, I had to flick through a WD borrowed from a friend before I could write this review), because it might be sold out by the time your magazine gets to you.

If you are not interested in DF: be prepared to accept half the normal WD content or less, for the same price, and late "to accompany DF".

If you are interested in 40K: a tiresome battle report, and some battle missions, which are potentially quite interesting.

If you are interested in Warhammer: an Ogres painting guide... not much to say about it, it's pretty basic.

If you are interested in Lord of the Rings: there is nothing for you here.

If you love the photos of painted models that adorn every page and want to learn how to paint like 'Eavy Metal, perhaps in the form of a Masterclass article: presumably such people don't exist (well... presumably I'm the only one) as no such articles have been seen for months.

If you are stranded in Bratislava in Slovakia, and have an urgent need to buy Games Workshop models at short notice, but do not have access to an internet connection to do a web search for a local GW stockist, but you do have a mobile phone and a copy of this month's White Dwarf: great news! WD has you covered. 12 pages or so of shop listings, because a one-page advert for the GW website and putting all the stockist information on there just would not fulfil your needs.

Overall score: 1, worst WD that I can remember. Probably a 5 if you are still undecided about DF and want to find out more.

Unfortunately this issue has done nothing but prove beyond doubt the uselessness of a magazine as a vehicle for news, if it is only released to the paying public after the news has happened and been discussed to death on the internet (even ignoring sites like this, I'm talking about the GW website itself). The things that magazines could be appropriate for (in-depth articles, painting masterclasses, tactical discussion, philosophising on the nature of wargames and ways to keep it fresh and exciting) are conspicious only by their absence.

+1 I hate to say. A good review there, fair-play for presenting multiple points of view.

This (for me) was the worst white dwarf of late (and I didn't have/was intrested in Dreadfleet when I got it\). Read from page to page under fourty or so mins. The only real things of use were the scrolls of binding, battle missions and the (suprisingly shallow) painting guide, which was really rather basic. A generous five from me.

Malagate
11-10-2011, 07:19
...but good articles can *make* me interested in them ('... No one liked Pietr'. (Now there's an obscure reference :p)). The Dreadfleet artciles didn't make me interested in Dreadfleet. Possibly the sheer amount of Dreadfleet works against it. Dreadfleet.

Dreadfl-I mean, Damocles hits the nail there, that is exactly my problem with modern White Drea-Dwarf! I have only been interested in 40K (oh and a bit of a soft spot for specialist games) but way back in the sands of time I could still read a whole issue of WD and enjoy it even when it was about murderous rat-men with sticks. Heck it's the only reason I know anything at all about Warhammer, flicking through 382 if I had never heard of GW before would disinterest me from...probably everything GW related?


Stuff at the Back – Lord Damocles’ store of the month: Colores y Miniaturas. In Peru. Goddamn Peru! Why would I possibly care about that? (that’s not a rhetorical question. I demand answers!)
Of course, you already answered that yourself...

What if I fall into a rift in spacetime and find myself in last week on the other side of the world. What then GW? What then?
With this white dwarf, should you end up in deepest darkest Peru after falling through a cosmic tear in reality, at least you would know where to buy miniatures (presumably through barter, unless you carry Peruvian Sols at all times for just such an eventuality, which I know I do). Shame about the lack of a map however.

lbecks
11-10-2011, 23:39
I bought dreadfleet, so i was excited to get the magazine and it was pretty much what i expected. The one thing i was very disappointed in was still no eavy metal masterclass. I like the hobby team just fine for alt paint jobs, army painting, or scenery, but when they're showing the EM color schemes, why doesn't GW just let the EM team explain it with the EM models instead of letting the hobby team do not as well painted copies of the exact color scheme. Makes no sense.

Angelwing
11-10-2011, 23:48
Borrowed a copy
Dreadfleet was an interesting read for someone who hasn't bought the game, and the painting tutorials are useful for those that have. the sea painting tutorial is a useful titbit.
Something for fantasy players with new scrolls of binding and something for my personal interest with the battle sister missions.
Despite there seemingly being nothing in this months issue, I actually spent time reading it rather than flicking through and handing it back. However it has not persuaded me to buy anything this month.
So, 5 / 10

amijp
12-10-2011, 18:44
Bought this on release day, and was immediately dissapointed.

Dreadfleet does not interest me.
Ogres do not interest me.
Neither do the Sister's of Battle.
And am I the only one who's noticed a slight decline in the quality of Standard Bearer of late?

So, all in all, not a great issue :rolleyes:

dijital_llama
13-10-2011, 00:07
I too wasn't overly impressed with this issue.
Fair enough they're always going to dedicate space to the new big thing(s) but I wish that they wouldn't do this at the cost of everything else. I'm interested in reading about dreadfleet because I'm still undecided about it but I would still like to hear about the other areas of the hobby. 3/10 from me

Foolish Mortal
13-10-2011, 07:28
I had a quick flick through this WD in the supermarket.

Zip, zero, nada, nothing of interest to me at all. Sure, dreadfleet looked nice, but I 'm not buying it, so....yeah.

Put it back on the shelf & walked away :eyebrows:

mattjgilbert
13-10-2011, 13:33
Mine arrived very late. Flicked through it and skim-read some bits. Not worth the wait to be honest as I feared. 1 star from me.

The bearded one
17-10-2011, 08:21
I bought dreadfleet, but even I am not really interested in most of the content. The only thing I appreciate is the guide how to paint water. In my local GW they painted it like they did in the WD and it looked very nice.

rodmillard
18-10-2011, 19:47
Flicked through it in Tesco. Not interested in Dreadfleet. Not interested in Ogres. I play Sisters, but given the choice between paying £4.50 for two Battle Missions, or £5 for a copy of Snuff in hardback, the Pratchett won.

Is it possible to vote "zero"?

Npf6
21-10-2011, 20:52
dreadfleet dreadfleet and mroe dreadfleet. hey maybe next issue they will show me how to convert my space marines for dreadfleet.

Two thumbs down, dreadfleets like space hulk. Its great but if i want to play with ships ill play dystopian wars

Shamutanti
25-10-2011, 10:39
I don't get why people are suprised Dreadfleet has been in all the What's New entries over the last few weeks, nor why it's been in White Dwarf. It's the main big release and it's being pushed so it'll sell. Makes perfect sense in my eyes.

I liked the Battle Missions, the Scrolls got me and my friends excited cause we were dissapointed we couldn't use Ogre monsters at first, and although there was no lord of the rings content, which I found a shame, I enjoyed the DF stuff. Heck, I even found a use for the 'how to build' finecast stuff in the shape of something perfect for my niece to use when I'm not there. But then, the whole point of the mag is it's aimed at the youngsters, not us oldies.

Lord Damocles
25-10-2011, 17:08
I don't get why people are suprised Dreadfleet has been in all the What's New entries over the last few weeks, nor why it's been in White Dwarf. It's the main big release and it's being pushed so it'll sell. Makes perfect sense in my eyes.

There's featuring a product in White Dwarf so that it will sell; and there's featuring a product in White Dwarf almost to the exclusion of all other content.


Dreadfleet is perhaps more understandable than some/most other new releases because it's only going to be around for a month and then GW's ability to sell it is (should be) gone.

Then again, compare to issue 357 (UK):
Space Hulk related content - 42 pages (35%)
Dreadfleet related content - 63 pages (53%)

ryansface
25-10-2011, 17:46
Voted 1 as there is nothing in it for me.
I´ve read 6/7 pages of it if I´m honest. Dreadfleet doesn´t intrest me, that leaves Standard bearer and the bit about the new ogres, which were in last months WD. Maybe i´ll get round to the 40k bit but Sisters of Mercy aren´t my thing.
Between Dreadfleet and the several two page ads, there is very little substance in it.

Skaven13
25-10-2011, 20:09
The following is a brief paraphrase of a discussion between a friend of mine and I about this.

Friend: Man, I think this is the first time I have really not wanted to purchase a WD
Me: Why?
Me: Oh nevermind, I just read some of the reviews. White Fleet, right?
Friend: Yeah. They just labeled the Table of Contents "Pimp My Ships"
Me: Haha
Me: Wait, did they really?
Friend: No, but they might as well have

Pretty sad that I nearly believed him about the "Pimp My Ships" part...

Evil Hypnotist
27-10-2011, 15:16
Well, finally finished reading mine. The reasons for why it's taken me so long have been pretty much covered by everyone else and I agree with most of them.

Let's be honest, every month WD spends far too much paper focusing on the brand new thing they have released, promoting it with "wow, look how cool this is" and "everyone should definitely buy one!". I expect this now, the days where a new army book had one article and a battle report are gone, marketing new products in this way seems to be making them more successful so fair enough.

*Brace yourselves*

I think what bothers me about this issue is the extra level they have gone to with Dreadfleet, where over half the magazine is dedicated to a limited edition game that not many will actually be able to own! I actually was open-minded before I started reading this issue, I was interested to see what Dreadfleet was about, but to have it forced down my throat in this way has left a bitter taste. I found the gaming articles on it confusing, the introductory and tactics articles didn't explain anywhere near enough to follow what was going on in the main battle report, and the ship descriptions were pretty pointless.

I can quite easily say this is the least enjoyable issue of White Dwarf I have ever read, and in 15 years I haven't missed that many! Weirdly, though I'm actually glad I'm a subscriber through direct debit, because I can count this as one of my 3 free copies during the year and not feel like I have wasted my money. The saving grace is the scrolls of binding, which I will be cutting out and putting in my Storm of Chaos book so I can chuck the rest of this issue in the bin...

Oh, by the way, I voted: 1

Magot
13-11-2011, 06:12
I don't get why people are suprised Dreadfleet has been in all the What's New entries over the last few weeks, nor why it's been in White Dwarf. It's the main big release and it's being pushed so it'll sell. Makes perfect sense in my eyes.



It is a damn expensive advertise folder for some little boats I´m not asking for.
I took a subscription for the WD additionally to my Fantasy and 40K hobby and because the WD supported this.
LotR was added, but that´s absolute in balance.
The little boat stuff, took one complete WD for € 7,50 (3 pots of paint or half a blister)


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