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Malorian
19-10-2011, 16:37
So this saturday is the Onslaught tournament in Edmonton. In fact this is the second Onslaught tournament this year (woohoo!).

Last time I went with my All Orcs All The Time list (using the old book) and did... okay...

This time I've decided to go with greenskins, and again I'm going with a list that is tough but a step away from the top builds.


My List:

Lvl 4 orc great shaman w/ dispel scroll

Night goblin big boss BSB w/ ld banner

40 savage orc big uns w/ extra choppa, banner
90 night goblins w/ spears, banner, nets
20 arrer boyz
20 night goblin archers w/ banner
5 spider riders
5 wolf riders w/ bows, spears

40 black orcs w/ banner, flaming banner
40 squigs and 15 herders
Boar chariot
Wolf chariot
Troll

Mangler squig

Total: 2500


It's a four game tournament and as always I'm hoping to win more than I lose, but as always lets see what you guys think ;)

I'll be posting up the youtube reports this weekend.

WAAAGH!!!


Edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSUzh_fXvgw (Army review)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOsf4BaDFq4 (Orcs ve High Elves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHowqxmjGYo (Orcs vs Wood Elves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6paWfC0uaA (Orcs vs Ogres)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssWO2NYHV38 (Orcs vs Dwarfs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1iGOnC57kk (Orcs vs Ogres)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UueQs5MEW8M (Results and summary)

russellmoo
19-10-2011, 16:40
:cries: No troll horde.

I'm going with 3 out of 4, animosity or magic shenanigans will possibly rob you of a win-

TMATK
19-10-2011, 16:45
No shrunken head?

Malorian
19-10-2011, 16:51
Yeah my first list had the troll horde but I decided too many people would see me as a jerk, so I downgraded them and added some nicer stuff.

Shrunken head was also taken out for the same reason.

sssk
19-10-2011, 17:50
I'm going to have to agree with Russellmoo. It seems like a good list, but I reckon something will go awry in one game.

Still no artillery in there. I'm sure you've explained in the past, but what's your take on artillery?

Personally I find it hard to justify not using at least a doom diver...

I'm loving the inclusion of some arrer boys, go out there and show the world what they're capable of

Malorian
19-10-2011, 18:01
Still no artillery in there. I'm sure you've explained in the past, but what's your take on artillery?

I have 2 major problems with artillery:

1) With the board full of hordes I have a hard time finding a place that gives them line of sight that doesn't grant cover.

2) With combat happening so quickly now I find they don't have enough time to even be effective.

castlesmadeofsand
19-10-2011, 18:02
can't wait to hear about that bacon :D


interesting list. that's not much protection you've got on your savage shaman without at least the s.head, bit of a big risk no?


"Shrunken head was also taken out for the same reason. "

surely the head isn't op?!

Malorian
19-10-2011, 18:10
interesting list. that's not much protection you've got on your savage shaman without at least the s.head, bit of a big risk no?

"Shrunken head was also taken out for the same reason. "

surely the head isn't op?!

Hell, he isn't even a savage shaman, he's just the regular kind ;)


I wouldn't save that the shrunken head is OP, but it certainly makes one of our best units even better.

It's even meaner when you are dealing with buildings so the opponent doesn't even have the option of attacking the shaman.


It should also be noted that I was *this* close to running an orc warboss with wizard hat as my general :D

TsukeFox
19-10-2011, 19:56
No themes this time around-?

Malorian
19-10-2011, 20:23
No, not this time. They removed the theme point anyway.

amysrevenge
19-10-2011, 20:49
Just so you know - I scrolled straight to the bottom and didn't read your list. I'm a good boy.

See you in a few days.

Malorian
19-10-2011, 21:40
Just so you know - I scrolled straight to the bottom and didn't read your list. I'm a good boy.

See you in a few days.

Wouldn't have bothered me if you had :)

amysrevenge
19-10-2011, 22:03
Can't type - reading.

Errr, I mean, nothing to see here, move along.

castlesmadeofsand
19-10-2011, 22:37
Hell, he isn't even a savage shaman, he's just the regular kind ;)


haha, i'm so used to seeing savage orc shaman lords in peoples lists (quite often yours) that i totally missed that! :p

Borgnine
19-10-2011, 22:42
Cheeeeeze!!!11!

misterdance
19-10-2011, 22:55
I love it Malorian! Can't wait to face it with my own greenskins:

Black Orc Warboss with Battleaxe of the Last Waaagh!
Level 4 Orc Shaman with Sigil Sword, Talisman (4+), Ironcurse Icon

NG Big Boss BSB with Trickster's Helm
Level 2 NG Shaman with Opal Amulet & Ruby Ring

5x Wolfs
50x NGs with Spears, nets
20x NGs with Bows
49x Orc Big 'Uns with 2x Choppas

19x Black Orcs with Flaming Banner
2x Spear Chukkas
Orc Boar Chariot

Rock Lobba with Bully
Doom Diver
2x Pump Wagons with Spores

2500 points. Pretty much a similar list that I usually take.

Algovil
20-10-2011, 01:14
Nice lists both of you greenskins!

Skarsnik, the Lord
20-10-2011, 08:23
Cheeeeeze!!!11!

Nope, it's "baaaacoooooonnn!!!!" :cheese:

Good luck in the tournament. I've been listening your podcasts and watching battle reports and they're all great, good job! It's always great to see Orcs & Goblins beating enemies.

- Cheers, Skarsnik.

Malorian
20-10-2011, 14:23
I love it Malorian! Can't wait to face it with my own greenskins:

Black Orc Warboss with Battleaxe of the Last Waaagh!

Oh please don't be a mission where our generals have to fight... :cries:

Lowmans
20-10-2011, 14:38
I went 50/50 but you might well do better!
Are you finding fanatics aren't worth it in Horde dominated 8th?

Malorian
20-10-2011, 14:43
I went 50/50 but you might well do better!
Are you finding fanatics aren't worth it in Horde dominated 8th?

Assuming I don't know I'm playing ogres, I only take fanatics (and by fanatics I mean one) in my bunker. At least there it can take care of the smallish fast cav units that might get around my lines.

No point at all in having it in the forward units against hordes (other than the fun of course ;)).

oldWitheredCorpse
20-10-2011, 14:50
Level 4 Orc Shaman with Sigil Sword, Talisman (4+), Ironcurse Icon

Why does it matter when the shama makes his 1 attack? The sword does not raise his initiative. Sword of swift slaying is the one that protects against re-rolls from ASF + higher initiative.

Malorian
20-10-2011, 15:08
Why does it matter when the shama makes his 1 attack?

Fists of gork.

Nuff said ;)

Shimmergloom
20-10-2011, 20:01
I have 2 major problems with artillery:

1) With the board full of hordes I have a hard time finding a place that gives them line of sight that doesn't grant cover.

2) With combat happening so quickly now I find they don't have enough time to even be effective.

I agree with this mostly. But I think artillery may be useful again because of all the fashionable ogre armies you are going to see now. They make more juicy targets and you can really do a hurting to them, that you won't do by trying to blast skaven or goblin hordes with artillery.

Malorian
20-10-2011, 20:02
The mangler is for the ogre armies ;)


I know ogres will be a big part of this year's metagame and I actually wouldn't be surprised to face two ogre players out of my four games.

I'm really not worried. I have enough units that can pump out the damage to keep up with them.

MOMUS
21-10-2011, 06:19
Dispell scroll on the level 4?

Could you not squeeze a LVL1 gobbo shaman in to hold it? -So you dont get caught out with that tricksy rule, fail dispell=no dispell scroll.

Anyway looking forward to the batrep, ive pointed a couple of orc generals in the direction of your brilliant pod-casts.

Malorian
23-10-2011, 14:34
Here are the battle reports:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOsf4BaDFq4 (Orcs ve High Elves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHowqxmjGYo (Orcs vs Wood Elves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6paWfC0uaA (Orcs vs Ogres)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssWO2NYHV38 (Orcs vs Dwarfs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1iGOnC57kk (Orcs vs Ogres)

Summary still to come.

Gork or Possibly Mork
23-10-2011, 15:21
Watching them now.

One question

0 game vs HE. Turn 3 savages fail animosity. How did you get off the massive foot of gork? Was your shaman in another unit?

EDIT: Ahh nevermind i see he wasn't in the savage unit.

amysrevenge
24-10-2011, 03:10
Having to set up first was a huge blow for me - letting you get your squigs up against my Slayers was too bad. I considered conga-line reform + Anvil shenanigans to try to get around, but decided that the trick getting the Hammerers into the Black Orcs was more important.

In hind sight I probably should have lined up the Slayers behind the Hammerers rather than beside.

amysrevenge
24-10-2011, 03:15
Also, I only had 4 spells go off against me all weekend. Your Foot (double 6), a stubborn Ogre augment (double 6), a +1T augment on Ogres that my Slayers were fighting (LOLOLOL), and a Pandemonium (that has exactly zero effect against Dwarfs led by a Ld9 general).

TsukeFox
24-10-2011, 05:53
So reconsidering artillery after the big bad scary Wood elf monsters got the better of you-?

Fajita!
24-10-2011, 07:34
Wow, I kinda feel bad for that last Ogre player.

Malorian
24-10-2011, 15:06
So reconsidering artillery after the big bad scary Wood elf monsters got the better of you-?

Nope. Having them would have just made that dragon be played aggressively (which I didn't want) and the amount I would need to invest to have a serious impact would mean I would be down a combat block which was more useful overall.


Here are the results and summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UueQs5MEW8M

Lowmans
24-10-2011, 16:57
Some great reports, thank you.

I was a little thrown by some of these results. I must admit your game zero didn't go remotely how I expected!

I'm often surprised by Wood Elves too. I have terrible trouble with them, when you come up against a General who realises WE can't play 8th the way everyone else does they can be really nasty.

What advice would you give your opponents do you think?

P.S. I hope you stick with O&G, maybe try switching out the SO biguns for Boyz, Boarboyz units and that sort of thing?

Malorian
24-10-2011, 17:51
What advice would you give your opponents do you think?

Focused aggression.

Amysrevenge was bang on when he picked on a single unit and just took it out. Don't try and take on a horde as a whole, break it down.

Once you punch through in one area I'm forced to sacrifice units left in right as I scramble to save my bunker and key characters.

Tupinamba
25-10-2011, 00:37
Great BRs!

And these orcs do look scary... tons of t4 brutal green hordes would make me apprehensive.

MOMUS
25-10-2011, 07:28
Great reps! Hope you stay with the O&G, maybe the siren call of an all gobbo force will keep you? ;-)

Game0, the night goblins got decimated by flames of the phoenix and passed their panic, but then failed one when the mangler squig dies from fury of khaine?
Dont units only have to pass a panic once per turn? As '...their resolve has already been tested this turn...' i think it says something like that in the rulebook.

amysrevenge
25-10-2011, 15:15
One per phase, not one per turn.

Malorian
25-10-2011, 15:51
Yeah so they should have tested since both were in the magic phase. Oh well...

Djekar
25-10-2011, 15:58
Thanks for the reports sir. I certainly enjoyed them... except for the game with armysrevenge, but only because it made me want to start that dwarf army I've been eyeing.

I look forward to the more reports that we were promised.

amysrevenge
25-10-2011, 21:58
Get it done soon, because I don't forsee Shooting Phase charges once a new book comes out...