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Kaiser1983
05-11-2011, 20:54
Hi all, my local Warhammer group is starting a season format. Rules are 2400 points and no special characters. The league is competitive yet friendly. I would appreciate any input, thanks.


Lords
Prince (Goes with Sea Guard or White Lions)
Drgn Amr (+5 S +2 Ward Fire Atk)
Enchanted Shield (+2 to Amr Save)
Ogre Blade (+2 Strength)
Vem of Def (Reroll Mis Amr+4 Ward)
259

Archmage (Life) (Goes with Phoenix Guard)
Lvl. 4
Silver Wand
270

Heros
Noble BSB (Goes with Sea Guard Horde)
Amr of Caledor (+2 Amr Save)
Dawnstone (Reroll Missed Amr Sav)
Great Weapon (+2 Strength)
Longbow
178

Mage (High, Fire or Beast) (Goes with Sea Guard or White Lions)
Lvl. 2
Ann Crystal(+1 Dis/-1Pwr)
175

Core
Sea Guard (44) 4x10+4
FC, Banner of Arcane Protection
(Magical Resistantce +2)
622

Special
White Lions (17) 6x3
FC
Banner of Sorcery(+D3 PW Dice)
335

Phoenix Guard (19) 5x4
FC
(Razor Standard Amr Piercing)
(Unit Causes Fear and +4 Ward)
360

Sword Masters (10) 7+3
150
or
Sword Masters (5)
75

Sword Masters (5)
75

Rare
Great Eagle
50

Total
2399

Fallen-prince
05-11-2011, 20:58
Drop white lions for more sword masters :D

calnen
06-11-2011, 18:12
What is the lord for?
You already have an Archmage to lead the army, and for his cost you could upgrade the white lions to a 10x3 horde. He only has the damage output of 4-5 of them.

mo-man
06-11-2011, 22:29
I wouldnt bother with seaguard, they are good on paper but they just seem to perform poorly IMHO. Why not go for 40 spears with full command for 385points. And then take 20 archers with a musician for 225points making your core allowance 610 which leaves you 12 points to spend elsewhere. That way you have more bodies on the field, longer range on your shooting and an extra unit.

Pointy Headed Elven Paladin
07-11-2011, 06:45
Hi all, my local Warhammer group is starting a season format. Rules are 2400 points and no special characters. The league is competitive yet friendly. I would appreciate any input, thanks.


Lords
Prince (Goes with Sea Guard or White Lions)
Drgn Amr (+5 S +2 Ward Fire Atk)
Enchanted Shield (+2 to Amr Save)
Ogre Blade (+2 Strength)
Vem of Def (Reroll Mis Amr+4 Ward)
259

Archmage (Life) (Goes with Phoenix Guard)
Lvl. 4
Silver Wand
270

Heros
Noble BSB (Goes with Sea Guard Horde)
Amr of Caledor (+2 Amr Save)
Dawnstone (Reroll Missed Amr Sav)
Great Weapon (+2 Strength)
Longbow
178

Mage (High, Fire or Beast) (Goes with Sea Guard or White Lions)
Lvl. 2
Ann Crystal(+1 Dis/-1Pwr)
175

Core
Sea Guard (44) 4x10+4
FC, Banner of Arcane Protection
(Magical Resistantce +2)
622

Special
White Lions (17) 6x3
FC
Banner of Sorcery(+D3 PW Dice)
335

Phoenix Guard (19) 5x4
FC
(Razor Standard Amr Piercing)
(Unit Causes Fear and +4 Ward)
360

Sword Masters (10) 7+3
150
or
Sword Masters (5)
75

Sword Masters (5)
75

Rare
Great Eagle
50

Total
2399

IMO MSU Swordmasters of 5 figures are free VP points for your opponent so I would keep them of at least 10 figures. Since you have a 4th lvl. mage I would break up the prince into 2 nobles or split his points up to buff up your rare and special choices. If you go with the prince and the mage then I'd suggest giving the prince a crown of command to make any unit he joins stubborn. If I may suggest the following:

Prince: 250 pts. (Place with the phoenix guard)
Equipment: Great weapon & shield
Magic Items: Crown of Command & Armor of Destiny

4th Archmage: 350 pts. (Lore of Life) (place with the White Lions)
Magic Items: Folariath’s Robe, Silver Wand, Talisman of Saphery

Noble BSB: 168 pts. (place with the White Lions)
Equipment: Great weapon
Magic Items: Armor of Caledor & Guardian Phoenix

1st Mage: 140 pts. (High Magic or Lore of Beasts) (place with the Phoenix Guard)
Magic Items: Annulian Crystal

12 Archers with muisican & standard upgrade: 162 pts.
31 LSG with full commmand & kit w/ banner of eternal flame: 438 pts.
19 White Lions with full command with Banner of Ellryion: 330 pts.
18 Phoenix Guard with full command & banner of Sorcery: 350 pts.
10 Swordmasters with Bladelord upgrade: 162 pts.
Great Eagle: 50 pts.

Total: 2400 pts.

I hope that helps.

Morax
07-11-2011, 19:13
Competitve but friendly huh, lets see...
Lords
Prince (Goes with Sea Guard or White Lions)
Drgn Amr (+5 S +2 Ward Fire Atk)
Enchanted Shield (+2 to Amr Save)
Ogre Blade (+2 Strength)
Vem of Def (Reroll Mis Amr+4 Ward)
259

Swap the Ogre Blade for a great weapon as it has the same effect for strength bonus. Take the Vem of Def and Armor of Silvered steel. Gives him a 2+ rerollable 4++ and str 6. Hard lord if you want one with decent damage output.

Archmage (Life) (Goes with Phoenix Guard)
Lvl. 4
Silver Wand
270

Needs some defensive kit to stay alive. Take the Forlaith's Robe and he is good to go. The Annulian Crystal wouldn't be a bad addition but you can skip it if you want.

Heros
Noble BSB (Goes with Sea Guard Horde)
Amr of Caledor (+2 Amr Save)
Dawnstone (Reroll Missed Amr Sav)
Great Weapon (+2 Strength)
Longbow
178

The Longbow is a bit of a waste of points but ehh if it is on the model run with it. The rest of him is built right.

Mage (High, Fire or Beast) (Goes with Sea Guard or White Lions)
Lvl. 2
Ann Crystal(+1 Dis/-1Pwr)
175

The seer staff would be a better addition to your magic phase then the crystal. Picking your spells is HUGE on a level 2. High, beasts and fire are fine choices but with the staff I would suggest looking at shadow too. Shadow/Life combos can be game breaking.

Core
Sea Guard (44) 4x10+4
FC, Banner of Arcane Protection
(Magical Resistantce +2)
622

I'd swap the banner for the banner of eternal flame. MR is kinda worthless in 8th and flaming attacks are needed as some monsters can wreck your day without it. I'd change the formation a bit but would keep them the same size. 7x7 would be more effective I think against enemy tarpit units.

Special
White Lions (17) 6x3
FC
Banner of Sorcery(+D3 PW Dice)
335

The banner of sorcery makes them an even bigger target then they already are. I would look at some other banner for them to carry that is less essential to a phase.

Phoenix Guard (19) 5x4
FC
(Razor Standard Amr Piercing)
(Unit Causes Fear and +4 Ward)
360

Not too shabby, make a good bunker for a BSB or a noble. With them in the unit you don't "need" the razor standard but it never hurts.

Sword Masters (10) 7+3
150
or
Sword Masters (5)
75

Sword Masters (5)
75

Either go all MSU for swordmasters or make a decent sized unit. Don't half do both. I would make one unit of them instead of 3 as it is easier for you to buff them that way.

Rare
Great Eagle
50

Eagles need to run in pairs or they will get shot down by warmachines before they can have an effect. Shift some points arround for this very nessasary change.

Total
2399

Solid list to start from, just needs a bit of a tweek. By and large combat characters don't get the job done like they used to with step up and fight in two ranks. More boots on the ground are usually more effective. I would look at dropping the combat lord for the points you would need to make a few of the changes most people suggest.