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Bigglesworth
12-11-2011, 18:03
When going over the 18 known legions in your head or telling somone about them, which one do you usualy forget about or leave till last? If you are not sure try doing it now! (you can have the forgotten legions as an option)
I usualy leave the white scars till last.


I would have done a poll, but alas only ten options...

DuskRaider
12-11-2011, 18:11
White Scars, without a doubt. Their fluff and theme are cool (although I find motorcycles in the far future kind of dumb), and they actually were at the Siege of Terra... They're extremely forgettable.

Glabro
12-11-2011, 18:29
Iron Hands, for me, when I tried it. Surprisingly Salamanders too were the second to last (I had to really try).

Sami
12-11-2011, 18:42
Iron Hands, Salamanders and White Scars for me too. Partly due to not having their own books, partly due to not having massive of rabid fanboys (which is partly due to not having their own codex), and partly due to them doing nothing particularly awesome (which is partly due etc etc).


edit: didn't even remember the Raven Guard existed, so ignore the above. They are the least remembered for me...

Rogerio
12-11-2011, 18:43
White scars defo, i really love the way they are painted when done well but hardly anyone ever takes them.

I once back in about 2003 went to a 40k tourney and i actually played a guy who had a fully painted white scars army with bikes and rhinos and everything in a very fluffy manner. Was a really good game and i commented to him a few times about how good his army was.

I have never seen anyone with Raven guard or Iron hands before.

Mjod
12-11-2011, 18:47
Honestly for me out is a toss up between white scars and raven guard.

Sami
12-11-2011, 18:48
Oops.. the fact that I had forgotten the Raven Guard even existed wins it for me.

Private_SeeD
12-11-2011, 18:48
White scars, I honestly didn't know they were at Terra also Iron hands kept thinking they were a successor chapter


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Nargrond
12-11-2011, 18:54
Definately Iron Hands. no great battles they took part in, no armybook,no novels etc...actually...is there anythin detailed known about them except for :yes we r teh coglovers

blackcherry
12-11-2011, 18:58
I remember them all quite well really. I slip up on the Iron Hands the most as they really don't get mentioned much.

The only problem I have is when I get to the second founding chapters like all the ******* ones the Imperial Fists and Ultramarines had. Fist this, Hand that. Its like some dodgy porn flick.

Edit: Sodd ing is blocked by the filters? Wow.

Necrofencer
12-11-2011, 19:22
Word Bearers, for me. See, iron hands and white scars have some kind of fame by being so unknown and yet cool. Word bearers aren't even that.

prowla
12-11-2011, 19:30
Iron Hands. I think they'd be a fun chapter with all the cogloving going on, though. Too bad the chapter colors are a bit dull: black and silver.

Denny
12-11-2011, 19:45
Interesting that loyalists tend to be forgotten more than chaos legions . . .

I have a pretty good memory, but Raven Guard and Iron Hands tend to be the last guys I think of . . .

Xisor
12-11-2011, 19:46
Definately Iron Hands. no great battles they took part in, no armybook,no novels etc...actually...is there anythin detailed known about them except for :yes we r teh coglovers

Do your research. (http://www.blacklibrary.com/Warhammer-40000/iron-hands.html)

Myself, I tend to forget the Emperor's Children or, appropriately, the Alpha Legion. Listing the primarchs, it's invariably Guilliman.

Edit: For completeness, the Iron Hands feature prominently in Fulgrim, rather obviously they have a fairly prominent role in that great battle the Dropsite Massacre. Also the short story Little Horus, off the top of my head.

Chem-Dog
12-11-2011, 19:54
Alpha Legion are the ones I usually struggle to remember (isn't that the point of the Alpha Legion though?!), occasionally this switches to one of the other Chaos Legions that aren't pinned to a specific God.
The loyalists are easy
3 @ Istvaan = Iron Warriors, Salamanders and Ravenguard.
3 @ Terra = Blood Angels, Imperial Fists and Whitescars (my ideal triumvirate of Marine forces to collect)
3 Left over = Dark Angels, Space Wolves and Ultramarines.

Kenzaburo
12-11-2011, 21:03
3 @ Istvaan = Iron Warriors, Salamanders and Ravenguard.

dude, iron hands. please tell me, this was intentional. :)

Sir_Turalyon
12-11-2011, 21:23
White Scars, Salamanders, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion.

But I can recall them quickly using variant of Chem-dogs method:

Loyalist: 3 on istvaan, 3 on Terra, 2 relieving Terra and Ultramarines
Traitors: 4 dedicated to gods, 4 undedicated to gods and Sons of Horus.

ForgottenLore
12-11-2011, 21:28
I can never remember any of the chaos ones except Thousand Sons. I know there was an Iron something one of them too.

I can almost always get all 9 loyalists, but it is the Iron Hands that I always have to struggle to remember.

Kiro
12-11-2011, 21:46
White Scars. Unfortunately they just haven't been fleshed out enough.

FashaTheDog
12-11-2011, 21:49
It's that one Legion. You know the one. Oh, it's right on the tip of my tongue. Give me a moment, it'll come to me...

RandomThoughts
12-11-2011, 21:56
Let's find out:

Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dank Angels, Space Wolves, the big four everyone knew back in 2nd edition

Imperial fists, the THIRD Space Crusade chapter, which I knew long before any of the other ones.

Raven Guard, as I recently thought about building a Combat Patrol for them.

White Scars - I just love those white biker squads

Thousend Sons, World Eaters, Death Guard, emperors Children - we're getting to chaos now, starting with the big four from 2nd edition.

Black Legion, Word Bearers, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors - the remaining Chaos legions I know off the top of my mind.

Salamanders, I guess, weren't those the dark skinned guys from the vulcano planet? Am I done, yet? No, one's actually missing. Now this is funny, I can't even say which one, without looking it up, so I guess there you have your answer - except you don't have it, I guess... ;)

...

Wait, something with hands, right? Grimson Fists? Iron Hands? Silver Hands? Weren't they the guys with the bionic body parts, or with the tanks, or something? :confused:

Anyway, the reason Salamanders are that far down my personal list (second to last) is probably because I last played space marine long before the 5th codex came out, so I never got to know Hestat or what's-his-name as an uber-character, not that I would have used him, either. When I choose a Chapter, I usually stick with the models for that chapter, and SCs are a big no-go in our games either way.

Eddie Chaos
12-11-2011, 21:58
Hopefully by the time the Black Library is done with the Horus Heresy series all the Legions will be important and memorable.

I remember there are some Ultradudes or something, I always forget them.

Sgt John Keel
12-11-2011, 22:09
Well, I tried it right now, and the one that took the longest to remember was… the Night Lords.

Woodsman
12-11-2011, 22:38
I totally blanked out at 15 missing the Ultra's EC and Iron Hands.

Weird I can't believe I forgot the Smurfs.

I think it changes for Primarchs as well - the Imperial Fists came some-way down my list but Dorn would be quite high up there.

Sarevok
12-11-2011, 23:43
Raven Guard
people forget about them even in this thread

I find Chaos ones easy to remember because they dont have many other memorable forces

Azazyll
13-11-2011, 00:20
Word Bearers. They actually forgot to include them in the rundown of renegades in the most recent codex.

For the loyalists, I was actually thinking of them today with the same three three and three method mentioned earlier, and I forgot Dark Angels, oddly enough. It's been that long, and they've basically been replaced by Black Templars. Which makes me sad, since BT are lame. They overshadow their progenitor chapter far too much.

Inevitably, if I just think about it for a minute, I remember, since I still have all my index astartes articles and have read them all a dozen times. I miss White Dwarf.

Minsc
13-11-2011, 00:24
Gonna do it in my head now.

Black Legion, WorldEaters, Thousand Sons, Emperors Children, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Wordbearers, Alpha Legion, Deathguard, Ultramarines, Salamanders, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Spacewolves, Ravenguard, Whitescars, Ironwarriors...

Grey Knight's and Black Templars as well I guess, even...holy crap, forgot Imperial Fists! :P

Azazyll
13-11-2011, 00:42
holy crap, forgot Imperial Fists! :P

As they stand, they're eminently forgettable; just UM wannabes. They should beat up the BT and take their stuff.

Daemonia
13-11-2011, 01:08
For loyalists I'd have to say the Salamanders sadly. I haven't read their fairly recent Firedrake series so haven't read all that much about them...and they rarely figure prominently in armies I face over the years unlike the others.

Most forgettable Chaos Legion? Well, as a follower of Chaos since Slaves to Darkness in Fantasy I can't forget any of them. Have to say the least encountered Legion would definitely be Night Lords...don't know why though, they always seemed the ultimate villains in a crew of ultimate villains. An entire Legion that dedicates itself to being scary? That's just plain awesome.

Kiro
13-11-2011, 03:16
Surprised peeps find the Salamanders so forgettable as they fill the 'nice'(er) Space Marines niche with their love of civvies and all.

burning crome
13-11-2011, 04:02
I think all the chaos legions have done pretty well out the HH book with them all getting some sort of fluff hook that get people wanting to play them (you only have to look at all those per heresy thousand sons army out their now). The black legion seem to be the weakest contender now purely being so generic, but being the poster boy I’m sure they get some cool in the next edition.
Salamanders before the last codex where pretty much a name and colour scheme, with just a bit of fluff about what equipment they couldn’t use!!. Then they got the best IC in the dex along with a cool hook about tracking down lost tec icons. The white scares fared ok in this dex since them and eldar are the only bikers in space army’s. The raven guard sort of lost out IMO so they kept there IC but lost his special squad (ok you can still sort of build it with the command squad) with his ability favouring none fluff builds. They did get a bit of help for FW but nothing really cool. Iron hand really need fleshing out but I always get the impression that they’ve been kept back for if/when an admec force dex was in the works. FW will do something with them, not forgetting they’ve already start hinting with the son of medusa split.
All told I’d go for white scares needing the most love.

burning crome
13-11-2011, 04:13
As they stand, they're eminently forgettable; just UM wannabes. They should beat up the BT and take their stuff.

Imperial fists are probably more recollectible to those that have been in the game longer. Pretty much all the old fluff had them playing the classic SM role. Plus their on-going feud with the IW.

Born Again
13-11-2011, 04:25
Word Bearers. They actually forgot to include them in the rundown of renegades in the most recent codex.


Page 20, third paragraph, and painted models on pages 69-70.

Chem-Dog
13-11-2011, 04:54
dude, iron hands. please tell me, this was intentional. :)

Oh fu.....Erm I mean Yes, totally intentional, I wanted to see if you were paying attention. Well done.


(think I got away with that) :shifty:



But I can recall them quickly using variant of Chem-dogs method:

Loyalist: 3 on istvaan, 3 on Terra, 2 relieving Terra and Ultramarines
Traitors: 4 dedicated to gods, 4 undedicated to gods and Sons of Horus.

Yeah the four undedicated ones are usually where I stumble. Are we sad for having memory tricks for remembering the names of 18 fictional military forces?

Anyway. I've had the dream of having the "Defenders of Terra" each represented by a force. I had to go pick the set that feature Yellow and White marines though, didn't I?! :cries:
When 3rd Ed made Blood Angels impossible to play and keep friends I jumped to the sons of Dorn, where I've kinda stalled.

EmeraldLionsCommander
13-11-2011, 05:06
Iron Hands and Imperial Fists I always forget.

Hrw-Amen
13-11-2011, 10:01
Um, the pink ones, which are they is it Emperors children or Alpha Legion I cannot recall? I mean bright pink marines, really?

As for loyalist ones I probably would have said White Scars were it not for the bikes and as I like bikes I remember them well. Iron Hands I forget a lot and get them confused with the Iron Warriors as they are afterall kind of irony after all, very similar.

Rick Blaine
13-11-2011, 11:55
Iron Hands and Raven Guard. Eminently forgettable.

AlphariusOmegon20
13-11-2011, 15:33
Believe it or not, I always forget the damn Blood Angels when I try to name all 18 Legions.

From Chaos, I struggle with remembering the Night Lords.

Funny enough, Sallies and AL are always the FIRST TWO out my mouth, even before Ultramarines and Black Legion/Sons of Horus.

Nightshade1994
13-11-2011, 15:38
When going over the 18 known legions in your head or telling somone about them, which one do you usualy forget about or leave till last?

I'm sure I'll catch some grief for this, but I always seem to forget the Blood Angels when doing a count. The one's that end up being last are Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, Salamanders, and White Scars (in that order usually).

Usual round up is as follows:

Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Death Guard, Word Bearers, Dark Angels, Ultra Marines, Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, Salamanders, White Scars, and then Blood Angels.

Traitors are mostly the one's I think of first. But I'm a World Eater at heart so that might have something to do with it.

Shamana
13-11-2011, 16:34
I often get the Iron Warriors/Hands confused, so it would be either of those for me. Of those, I'd personally go with Iron Hands: I don't remember their basic paint scheme, and at least I know the Chaos ones have hazard stripes.

stainawarjar
13-11-2011, 16:45
I often get the Iron Warriors/Hands confused, so it would be either of those for me. Of those, I'd personally go with Iron Hands: I don't remember their basic paint scheme, and at least I know the Chaos ones have hazard stripes.

Yeah, well, they are pretty much the same so easy to get them confused.

Fear Ghoul
13-11-2011, 17:23
Least remembered Legion? The Alpha Legion. And that's the way they want it to be...

Hicks
13-11-2011, 18:29
For me it's the Raven Guard, they don't seem to ever do anything.

a1elbow
13-11-2011, 19:08
I remember Hands because of Warriors (when I get to the Iron Warriors I think "and the chapter exactly like them*...). I assume people having trouble with NL haven't read Dembski-Bowden's books about them.

The one I struggle with is Alpha Legion. I remember the others pretty easily, but the Alpha Legion is by far the least interesting chapter. Even their HH book wasn't really bad, just sleep-inducing and the Marines never did anything in it.

*I think the same about Salamanders and Hands ("oh, and the other chapter obsessed with craftsmanship...). IH just don't have a distinct personality.

Shamana
13-11-2011, 19:12
Alpha Legion had a fair amount of time in the Dawn of War 1 game, though, and I think quite a few people must have at least heard of them from there. Unfortunately, the Black Legion yoinked Eliphas.

Fen
13-11-2011, 19:33
TBH,till recently,it wass easier to say which ones of the original legions were not forgettable

Ultrasmurfs,Red&Green angels,Space Puppies were used and expanded quite a bit

All the others,almost too easy to forget for non-players (as an IF player,the first hints of wth Dorn did back on Inwit came with The lightning tower/FotE.......IH,i think not all the tribes of Medusa are named yet if i'm not wrong....Etc etc)


Chaos side it's mostly the same,maybe worst (Lorgar who?Alpharius what?...)


No background infos make for easy to forget things...

Chem-Dog
13-11-2011, 19:53
I often get the Iron Warriors/Hands confused

What kind of nincompoop gets those two mixed up?! :shifty:

Jericho
13-11-2011, 20:13
I would always get the Imperial ones right... they're not hard to remember as they all have current builds in the game (or their own books!).

If I forget one, it's usually one of the traitor legions. The 4 marked ones are easy but I often forget one of the unmarked legions. Even though I like the Alpha Legion quite a bit, it's usually them or the Night Lords that I end up struggling to remember. Probably because I don't know anyone who has ever collected these armies.

totgeboren
13-11-2011, 20:20
White Scars, they hardly have any info on them, and are often portrayed in a quite one-dimensional way.

Kinda interesting that many people think the Word Bearers are forgettable, considering they are in many ways the most important legion for the 40k setting, being the first to turn to chaos and setting up the Horus Heresy and all. They have lots of good BL books, but maybe it's just the fanboys that buy the books.
I haven't bought any Dark Angel books for example, because I don't find them all that interesting, so I guess the same goes for the WB and all those who don't find them interesting.

Brothergrimm
13-11-2011, 20:46
Death Guard and word bearers for chaos Iron Hands and Raven Guard for the loyal side.

Israfael
13-11-2011, 20:52
To be fair, Raven Guard have kind of blown up recently, between Forgeworld and Black Library support.

I'd say Iron Hands and White Scars compete for least memorable Legions. They have little to no support from the game - and few players using them.

Azazyll
13-11-2011, 20:54
Page 20, third paragraph, and painted models on pages 69-70.

Yes, but in the illustrations of a marine from each group, they were left out. It was indicative of a codex which tried too hard to break from the old.

Simo429
13-11-2011, 20:55
Iron Warriors probably, they never seem to do anything

Never really think of the Night Lords to much to ADB's books on them

Luke666
13-11-2011, 22:42
iron hands

Born Again
14-11-2011, 00:17
Yes, but in the illustrations of a marine from each group, they were left out. It was indicative of a codex which tried too hard to break from the old.

True, they are missing from there, though the real insult came two editions prior in the 3rd edition codex, which reprinted the basic background on each legion originally from the 2nd edition book... except for the Word Bearers, who were inexplicably left out completely. In a book that was severely lacking on fluff in the first place, that one must have hurt!

Azulthar
14-11-2011, 10:36
Iron Warriors came in last, when I tested myself. Had to think hard about Dark Angels and World Eaters as well.


Kinda interesting that many people think the Word Bearers are forgettable, considering they are in many ways the most important legion for the 40k setting, being the first to turn to chaos and setting up the Horus Heresy and all. They have lots of good BL books, but maybe it's just the fanboys that buy the books.
Indeed. They're an essential part of the setting and have enough Black Library books to prove it. On the other hand they're never featured much in the codices, so...I remember not thinking much of them when I first started Chaos (many, many lifetimes ago!).

laudarkul
14-11-2011, 13:04
Dark Angels - almost every time a forget about them or I put them on the other side.
Thousand Sons - just miss them (again; after doing the check on lexicanum)

Chem-Dog
14-11-2011, 13:12
Kinda interesting that many people think the Word Bearers are forgettable

Until the Horus Heresy books started coming out the WB's were the default driven enemy, they have the religeous fanatacism that allows you to slot them into the implacable foe role of a story without having to examine their motives, they wage a war of faith.
Plus if you remember Legions by their Primarchs, Lorgar's always been a bit of a no-mark (until HH books, obviously) with no real impact on the actions of his legion or on the universe in general. For well over a decade the only information I ever found about Lorgar was that he once got told off by the Emperor for building temples and shrines. IA changed that a little but even then he still had little in the way of impact.

Of course, I remember becaue a good buddy and long time tabletop nemesis adopted WB's when he went over to Chaos.

And your own good work ;)

Thanatos_elNyx
14-11-2011, 13:14
Raven Guard were the last I remembered when I tried to list them.

Jonny_N
14-11-2011, 14:43
White Scars
Alpha Legion
Salamanders

Mostly because they all hold no interest whatsoever for me, but I am captivated by the others.

mrtn
14-11-2011, 19:11
Iron Hands and Salamanders for me. But then I'm much more interested in the slightly more evil armies. :)

ThunderLamb
14-11-2011, 19:20
Iron Hands, definatley Iron Hands.

Inquisitor_Tolheim
14-11-2011, 19:27
White Scars, they've been absent in all the black library books I've read, and they seem even less fleshed out then their already shallow marine contemporaries. I'd imagine salamanders became much more memorable with the new codex and the surge in Vulkan armies.

Rogerio
23-11-2011, 19:56
White Scars, they've been absent in all the black library books I've read, and they seem even less fleshed out then their already shallow marine contemporaries. I'd imagine salamanders became much more memorable with the new codex and the surge in Vulkan armies.

I dunno really, ive seen a couple of white scars armies in my time but ive never once seen a Raven Guard or Iron Hands army!