View Full Version : 2500 HE vs 2750 OK

01-12-2011, 00:03
The complete battle report is on ulthuan, with integrated pictures etc - http://www.ulthuan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=35318&p=738897#p738897

Ok, today was my last game in the Mighty Empires campaign we've had! Our success there has been mediocre - something which is mostly my fault as I've had to ditch a couple of games. Rusty's been playing well and won most of his games so I must apologize for not being a better teammates. Anyways, the last game was against Ogre Kingdoms. My opponent had 250 points more than me due to use of gold, greater empire etc. Now, I do believe that an Ogre Kingdoms army is the worst matchup for a High Elf dragon list: there are no excellent targets for the Dragon, the Ironblasters are the best cannons in Warhammer and the big monstrous infantry units don't care at all about our core, regardless of what we field (save for magic-shooting synergy lists). Was my initial assumption right or would the Lords of Caledor prevail yet again?

:: Mighty Beasts ::

His army list was roughly as follows:

Slaughtermaster, hellheart
Beasts mage

14 Ironguts (all characters went here; deployed like a horde)
10 Maneaters (poison, sniper)
4 Mournfang
2 Ironblasters

Total, 2750 points.

My dragonlist:

Prince Saerith on Star Dragon - Vambraces of Defense, Great Weapon, Armour of Caledor, Talisman of Loec :: 622
Noble Naenor BSB on Great Eagle - Heavy Armour, Shield, Great Weapon, Helm of Fortune, The Other Trickster's Shard :: 214
High Mage Curu Olannon - Level 2, Annulian Crystal, Dragonbane Gem :: 180

Characters Total ::1017

32 Spears, Full Command and Flamebanner :: 323
31 Spears, Full Command :: 304

Core Total :: 627

30 White Lions, Full Command and Banner of Swiftness, Amulet of Light :: 510
5 Dragon Princes, Drakemaster with Skeinsliver :: 195

Special Total: 705

3 Great Eagles :: 150

Rare Total :: 150

Army total: 2499

:: Getting ready and deploying ::

Magic was as follows: he got regen and most the other spells he wanted. Beasts got Wyssan and a spell he never cast. I got curse and courage (the worst 2 spells) and swapped curse for shield.

Scenario was Battle for the Pass. He deployed first.

The uselessness of my core against his list left me pondering what to do. I decided to use the flame-spears as an anchor on the western flank. The idea was to combine the Dragon Princes and Dragon to take out the Mournfang and the Ironblaster as soon as possible. The White Lions + Naenor would hunt the other one. Using Eagles and the Spears I intended to block the rest of his units until this was accomplished. At that point, I would evaluate whether to combo-engage him or just keep away: between 2 Ironblasters and the Mournfang I could afford to lose the Spears and Eagles and still be ahead by enough to win.


He went first after I rolled a 1 and he a 4.

:: Ogre Kingdoms Turn 1 ::

Everything moved up. Due to my proxy for the Dragon being 50x100 both his Ironblasters could draw a proper bead on the Dragon without having to land a direct hit. They both duly hit it, the result seeing Saerith die and the Dragon take 4 wounds.

Magic was 4v6 and I dispelled his attempt at a regen-bubble.


:: High Elves Turn 1 ::

I dual-charged Mournfang with Dragon + Dragon Princes. The Dragon was 18" away and I failed my roll, getting 1, 3 and 4. Since he was next to impassable terrain, he didn't move at all (couldn't wheel past it).

Magic saw Shield of Saphery go up on the Dragon.

Combat - princes were all wiped out and he reformed to face the blocking Eagle.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l200/Olannon/2500_OK_ME_Turn_1_Curu_Olannons_Dragonlords_v12.jp g

:: Ogre Kingdoms Turn 2 ::

Mournfang charged the Eagle. The rest are fairly static as he's rather boxed in.

Magic is 6v5 and he gets regen-bubble up, Olannon unable to dispel.

Shooting sees him fluff both cannonballs.

Combat - he kills the Eagle and reforms to face my Spears.


:: High Elves Turn 2 ::

I eye an opportunity: the Dragon has a clear overrun-path to the Ironblaster. I combo-charge the Mournfang with the Dragon and Spears. The Lions decide to march up - the Ironblaster was 13" away and I didn't want to risk them not making it. In hindsight, I should've declared the charge: I put an Eagle behind it anyway and so it would've been unable to get away.

Magic sees me get Shield up on Lions (it was 4v2).

Combat - his Mournfang lose by 3 but hold. A mistake here was me not breathing fire on his Mournfang: I was too preoccupied with having to use it in a harder combat later on.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l200/Olannon/2500_OK_ME_Turn_2_Curu_Olannons_Dragonlords_v12.jp g

:: Ogre Kingdoms Turn 3 ::

Ironblaster charges the Dragon. The other pivots to face Naenor. I forgot I had placed the Eagle so close to it - with it being 1" away from him he couldn't pivot it (because he would've been within 1" of me as he pivoted around). His centre holds.

Magic is 9v7 and Wyssans gets through on his Mournfang.

Shooting sees him kill my blocking Eagle and Naenor with a grapeshot.

Combat - the Ironblaster kills the Star Dragon with its impact hits (it was down to 2W) after I fail 2 armour saves on 5+. The Spears lose badly, break and are not caught.


:: High Elves Turn 3 ::

White Lions charge the Ironblaster. It flees (thus refusing me a free reform) and is caught. The spear rally.

Magic 9v5 and I get both Shield and Drain through.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l200/Olannon/2500_OK_ME_Turn_3_Curu_Olannons_Dragonlords_v12.jp g

:: Ogre Kingdoms Turn 4 ::

His Mournfang charge my Spears. I should've fled to refuse him a free reform but held.

Magic was unimportant as nothing was engaged save for the Mournfang who would surely beat the Spears.

Combat sees the Spears wiped out to a man.


:: High Elves Turn 4 ::

I move the Eagle to prevent his Maneaters from charging my Lions. The idea is to combo-charge him with the Spears + Lions. If he charges the Eagle and overruns into the Lions, the combat will not be fought until my turn - at which point I can counter-charge him with the Spears.

I fail my free reform with the Spears (I wanted to cover his escape should he try and run back) so they're left there, looking rather dumb. The Lions manage theirs and advance up.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l200/Olannon/2500_OK_ME_Turn_4_Curu_Olannons_Dragonlords_v12.jp g

The rest of the game was as follows: he moved his Maneaters 4" behind, shot the Eagle to death and fled my charge. He lost his Ironblaster to a misfire. The result was that nothing more eventful took place.

Oh and in my Turn 5 Olannon died to a miscast, me rolling a 4 and a 3 for the result. Just thought I'd tell you since my experience with magic is pretty much always like this: you don't pick Life, you're bound to die at some point and it happens way more often than you'd think.

:: Victory Points ::

Counting up, my opponent won by 1470 victory points. Sadly, a loss for the High Elves.

:: Evaluation ::

I made a few mistakes, which, on top of the bad start, made it way harder for me. The biggest one was not breathing fire with the Star Dragon: winning that combat was crucial and an overrun into the Ironblaster could've had things looking way different - I most likely would've survived the game with it (and the Spears!). By dodging him like my initial plan was, I could've achieved a draw (the Dragon Princes were already lost).

This would've been a longshot and would've required a lot of things to go my way. However, not breathing fire certainly didn't help me. Also, failing to charge the Eastern Ironblaster with the Lions (it would've been blocked anyway and 13" is a distance I'm more likely to make than not with the +1M banner) was a poor decision.

With that being said - I do believe this is the worst matchup for me. I'm not sure if I believe this is a decent all-comers Ogre Kingdoms army, but the lack of proper 'dragon-units' (save for the Ironblasters) like Empire Knights, Dark Elf Crossbowmen, small elite infantry units etc combined with the laser-guided cannonballs makes this a really hard match for a Dragonlist. His +250 points hardly had any impact upon the game, indeed his Deathstar never saw action.

So, C&C very welcome :) I believe we learn the most from our losses and I need your help to figure out what I could've done better in this game.