View Full Version : Change your Chaos Stripes?

06-12-2011, 17:39
The wait almost over. 2012 draws closer and my promise to burn our current codex since I first read in 2007 will soon come to pass. The handful of new rumors out got me thinking. Will GW learn their lesson or will we come full circle again? Will the All Legions be fleshed out and playable or will we go back to seeing only a few legions because they are the most powerful?

If you play Chaos Space Marines or think you might play Chaos Space Marines with the new Codex What will you do?

de Selby
06-12-2011, 17:49
I never bought the current chaos codex; my army has been sitting on the shelf. So I'm looking forward to the new one. I think we can pretty much guarantee that only a few lists will be considered 'playable' unless the codex itself is so dramatically more powerful than other armies that you can take anything and be tournament-competitive. GW just doesn't balance their books that well.

For me personally I'll wait and see if there's a cool chaos theme that I can build around in any new book(s). I'll probably end up collecting an army from scratch though. I don't have much faith in rumours this far out (we just don't know very much about upcoming releases these days) so I will wait and see what my options are when the book arrives; I am deliberately trying not to develop any expectations.

06-12-2011, 17:50
I'm looking forward to the book and basically I'm going to stick with my Death Guard but I'll probably end up doing Word Bearers cause of ADB.

And then I'll do Thousand Sons, and then World Eaters.. Dammit, my wallet hopes this book sucks! :P

06-12-2011, 18:13
If Noise Marines/Slaanesh in general gets a fair crack of the whip (or should that be Lash?) I'll consider finally assembling my slaaneshi warband. Thing it, it's no the rules that concern me as much as it is the models. If there's provision for Slaaneshi shenanigans in plastic I'm in, if they're released in finecast, my fragile finances say jog-on.

06-12-2011, 18:20
I'm down with AL unless the rules for them are total pants.

But then I have WB, EC, IW and NL armies already. Such are the vagaries of having to change Legions every time there's a new book out.

06-12-2011, 18:40
I've only ever played Iron Warriors. Sort of. I have in recent years added a few other legions into my army. For a bit more flavour.

If the book is great I can see myself substantially increasing the IW main force. What's that more Daemon Engines you say. I think I'll pretty much turn the smaller allied factions into self sustained armies.

I've always liked Death Guard but I haven't got any yet. I have Black Legion, World Eaters, Emperors Children and Alpha Legion. I've also always wanted to add a decent sized Night Lords force. I don't like the heavy and unbalanced metal raptors but I like their design. Hopefully if we get new plastic Raptors they'll look the same.

To answer the question, will I change my colours? Probably not. I'll probably do an army for each legion.

06-12-2011, 18:43
Just ordered a forgeworld deathguard army, so that settles what I am going to do

Garanaul the Black
06-12-2011, 19:15
I have both a sizable Death Guard army and a vanilla CSM Chapter of my own creation (The Hangmen) so I'm pretty set. However, if GW does them justice, I'll probably start a Night Lords themed force when the book hits.

Damn you, Games Workshop, have you no concern for my student loans?!!?


colonel kane trine
06-12-2011, 19:19
Im staying with deathguard

Scribe of Khorne
06-12-2011, 19:19
The poll is missing an option - Play my Legion, unless the rules suck, in which case they go back to the shelf.

If the rules are solid, I'll bring back out the World Eaters, if they make them all rage monkey's, then I'll stick with DE.

06-12-2011, 19:26
Death Guard and Pre-Heresy Word bearers is what I currently have (as well as 7 World Eaters :p) I'm sticking and I'm praying that we can mix legions throughout the codexes :)

06-12-2011, 19:28
been playing Death Guard since 3rd. If I can cope with being I3 and having chosen less resilient than my basic troops I can cope with anything the new codex can throw at me.

06-12-2011, 19:47
Im open to the idea of experimenting with the shiny new toys when I actually see the codex and not just the rumours for it....but knowing me I'll probably still stick with my Death Guard and (to a lesser extent) World Eaters.

06-12-2011, 19:51
Not play a single legion army because I started in 2nd ed where the legions were broken over ten millennia in the eye of terror.

06-12-2011, 19:58
I intend to stay as Black Legion, regardless of what comes from the new book.

That being said, I foresee a lot of Iron Warrior converts if the rumors are even close to true.

The Red Pilgrim
06-12-2011, 20:00
I own decent sized Black Legion, Thousand Sons and Word Bearer forces. I should be covered, no matter what comes of the new codex.

06-12-2011, 20:03
I play a Cursed Chapter that has never seen Legion connections.

Though the build may change depending how Rubric Marines are handled...

06-12-2011, 20:54
I just sold off a huge world eaters army a few months ago, if half the khorne stuff is true I may have to rebuild it!

06-12-2011, 23:39
My Thousand sons shall still be used, even if the rules for them get worse, as shall their alpha legion and fallen allies/mercenaries, though rules for rubric havoks, termis, bikers ect would be appreciated, as would some kind of psychic defense and cheap hordes of beastmen cannon fodder with lasguns and/or cultists would be nice.
Who knows, I could expand the alpha legion or do an Emperor's children army as well is the fluff is nice and I can get the bits cheap.

06-12-2011, 23:44
World Eaters, must have World Eaters.......

Personally, I just think that the World Eaters (and other cult legions) should be fleshed out with more than just the current cult troop choices.

The non-marked legions should be spelled out with their own unique personalities in mind. Just an opinion though, not intending to wishlist here.

Colonel Kolm
07-12-2011, 00:17
Ill stick with my death guard, i didnt buy pretty forgeworld models for my favorite god/army to say meh crappy codex time for a new army

07-12-2011, 00:30
Ya know, you could always come to the loyalist side. I'm sure if you repent the Emperor would forgive you...*hides bolt-pistol behind back*

07-12-2011, 01:01
I've played Chaos using the following editions of codices: 2nd, 3rd, 3.5 and 4th and guess what... I'm going to use the next one too.

07-12-2011, 01:32
I'll still play Black Legion mostly but I will be blowing the dust off the leftovers of my glorious Alpha Legion army and begin a rapid expansion

Comrade Penguin
07-12-2011, 02:09
I have a relatively small nurgle and khorne force that are incredibly boring to play under the current rules. I am going to wait to see which of these two factions I find more fun to play and invest in it heavily (though I am already leaning towards khorne).

Mit Gas
07-12-2011, 03:01
Thousand Sons FOREVER! ;)

07-12-2011, 03:12
Death guards. My bank account cursed me when I bought the FW parts and models so I wont change anything.

07-12-2011, 22:55
My army's a bit of everything with the relevant legion being attached to the miniature. All beserkers are world eaters. thousand sons are themselves. Interestingly I dont have any plague or slaanesh marines. My favourite legion has and always will be iron warriors as all my vanilla chaos marines are these. I guess im too much of a fan of Kharn to change my specialised troops to plague from beserkers :evilgrin:

soul destroyer
07-12-2011, 23:23
I've got a fairly generic 2000 pt black legion/renegade army sat gathering dust in the shed so I'll stick to that.

That said if the new codex sucks a much as the current one in the shed is where they'll stay.

07-12-2011, 23:52
As the owner of 5 Chaos armies and the proud father of a growing Word Bearers army, I'm just hoping that Chaos doesn't get the Royal Shaft again. A few new toys would be nice though.

With regards,

Eddie Chaos
08-12-2011, 00:25
I currently have a 3000point warband who will remain true to their colours come the new book. I will however probably grow a small warband of something new and shiny, based on what gets the best new minis not their rules.

08-12-2011, 01:50
Ya know, you could always come to the loyalist side. I'm sure if you repent the Emperor would forgive you...*hides bolt-pistol behind back*

Trust a 2-faced Unforgivable to show up and ruin a perfectly good party.

Somebody get Ahriman to cast his Rubric on this guy and show him the light.

Lord Inquisitor
08-12-2011, 01:57
Having played emperor's children exclusively with chaos space marines, I can safely say no matter what, that's staying the same with the new book.

Not holding out much hope of it not being an over complicated and poorly proofread mess though. I was pretty excited about grey knights and that evaporated pretty much entirely with the book.

Lars Porsenna
08-12-2011, 04:03
I have two Chaos legions: World Eaters (probably my first love) and Iron Warriors. My choice in factions is very heavily fluff based (FREX playing WE under the current book is a struggle IMHO), so I would at least try no matter what. That being said, I could easily do a Night Lords or Alpha Legion force, for no other reason than paint scheme...


08-12-2011, 04:12
Don't have any Chaos models at the moment but I've always loved the Thousand Sons and Iron Warriors so if they look good then I might pick some up.

08-12-2011, 06:24
Well, after getting rid of almost all my chaos space marine stuff last year (space reasons and I just wasn't using them) and building up my traitor guard and demons force for apocalypse, I may have to slowly start adding back in some death guard and/or world eaters.

If GW manage to get the Emperors Children right, I may get some of those as well.

08-12-2011, 06:45
If there are reasonable deamon rules I'll probably form a small word bearers army out of my deamon force

Grand Master Raziel
08-12-2011, 07:09
I didn't vote in the poll, because I'm not in the least bit interested in Legion rules. The current dex does what I want it to do. I don't want to be shoehorned into someone else's idea of what a CSM army should be.

08-12-2011, 07:12
* Use the rules for Counts as Insert Loyalist Chapter.. Claim they are working 'undercover' with a maverick Inquisitor who is trying to track down the legendary Rouge Psyker. Then when the next Marine codex arrives hop back onto the loyalist bandwagon.

Myself, I will be using my army as a hodgepodge force as it has always been. If there are specific legion rules I will shamelessly use them for my Legion du Noir.

08-12-2011, 07:46
I've been playing Death Guard for over 10 years now. That's not going to stop, even if they get "nerfed"; doubtful that will happen. I've also begun a Night Lords force, mainly out of boredom and to field units I can't with my Death Guard. And I'll probably rebuild my World Eaters army. Forge World owns my bank account, lol.

08-12-2011, 08:04
I've had Black Legion since 2nd Ed, and still use the (much better imo) 2nd ed Black legion colour scheme. So that's not gonna change. However I've also got a decent collection of (embarrassingly half painted) plastic bezerkers, and can "summon" plenty of Khorne daemons from my Fantasy army, so I could also be tempted to run a small Worldeaters force. Oooh! And Thousand sons have always had a great backstory, so I wouldn't rule out a force of those either.

08-12-2011, 08:24
I have a feeling it's gonna be Alpha Legion for me next codex too...

08-12-2011, 14:06
I didn't vote in the poll, because I'm not in the least bit interested in Legion rules. The current dex does what I want it to do. I don't want to be shoehorned into someone else's idea of what a CSM army should be.

Ironic statement is ironic.

Just by using a codex, you are being "shoehorned into someone else's idea of what a CSM army should be." They've changed every edition (twice in one case) but this one, so there are always going to be some "shoehorn[ing]" happening of one type or another.

If you're satisfied with the current dex, then you are satisfied. I'm sure that there will be a way to do an army that mostly fits your current build anyway.

08-12-2011, 14:25
Thousand sons as I always have done.

Honestly I can't stand those people that drop their Legion allegiance for the easiest path to power. I'm looking at YOU iron Warriors players that bought plague marines and painted your daemon prince hot pink the moment the new Codex hit.

You're not just traitors. You're traitor traitors.
and that's terrible.

08-12-2011, 14:55
Is it traitorous to paint your alpha legion as black legion? Because you know....Alpha Legion was affectively non existent in the current book.......also because I realized how silly some thing my army didn't "make sense", gosh how my opinion changed after reading "Legion"

Cause I really don't see the prob with our iron warrior brothers taking plague marines...or taking slannesh daemon princes....at least they didn't play their iron warriors as space puppies.....

08-12-2011, 15:19
Remarkably Alpha Legion painting their armour differently and pretending to be someone else is entirely in theme.

08-12-2011, 15:47
Remarkably Alpha Legion painting their armour differently and pretending to be someone else is entirely in theme.
Indeed, it's one of their MO:s :)

08-12-2011, 19:46
With 8000pts of World Eaters, 2500pts of Khorne daemons and an Angroth the Unbound, Ill give you three guesses as to whom I shall be playing. I'll also play my second army the Night Lords as I played them in 3.5, that's right I lost two heavies for a fourth Raptor squad. I admit, Thousand Suns for the Egyptian theme and different play style is alluring at the moment, or play the Word Bearers if I can make my Word Bearers Sub-Cult, the Infernal Brotherhood. I'll have a use for 45 possessed.

08-12-2011, 21:51
I'll still have my plague marines, but if I get sufficiently enthusiastic and stumbles over a pot of gold I might buy another warband as well.

08-12-2011, 22:52
I haven't changed in three editions, I'm not likely to change now. World eaters all the way, and damn the power level. Best case scenario, we get drop pods and I'm able to charge without sitting under two to three turns of massed fire. Worst case scenario, the blood of my forces goes to Khorne while my allies sneak in behind the enemy and slaughter them wholesale. Either way, my army and tactics are likely to remain unchanged.

08-12-2011, 23:34
I have Night Lords that I use the Chaos Book for when I want a standard list of guys in metal boxes. Then I have a whole bunch with jump packs that I use when I get bored of the first style and want to do all jumpers.

So I am sure I will pick up the Chaos book. I don't use any of the special units in the current one, so it is pretty unlikely it will get any worse than the current one.

New Cult King
09-12-2011, 00:05
I'll stick with IW/NL, regardless. I just like them. Though WE come a very close third on that list, I need to get better at painting red :shifty:

09-12-2011, 01:43
I am going to play Deathguard, unfortunately I am at about 3K points and I don't know if I will want to expand it much further. If some good looking DG models come out I could be convinced to add a squad.

ADB's Nightlord series has made me want to expand into that realm.

09-12-2011, 02:24
Remarkably Alpha Legion painting their armour differently and pretending to be someone else is entirely in theme.

muhahaha the beauty of playing a alpha legion army....:chrome:

But I'm certainly gonna go for a more no nonsense Alpha Legion this time around.....none of that "arrghhh I'm angry, METAL BOXES!":D I had my old guys as

Thats what my Black legion are for:cool: and it lets me have a little of everything, I recently got a fetish for painting pink and black marines.....

Deus Mechanicus
09-12-2011, 02:34
Im hoping to give Night Lords a shot.
Fluff, tactic and general appeal? Fantastic!
Visually? If i can get around the goofy looking bat helmets for something really dark, terror inspiring and gritty its a done date.

09-12-2011, 03:38
They don't need them...the novels didn't...

09-12-2011, 03:58
With any luck my World Eaters Legion can take to the field again.

Sister Sin

09-12-2011, 05:04
If the World Eaters get some interesting units other then just berserkers but angrier, then I will make me and army of them otherwise I will go Iron Warriors.

09-12-2011, 09:42
When it comes to Chaos I either play Word Bearers or I don't play at all. If the rules for a Word Bearer army are subpar (like they are now), I just play my other armies until a viable Word Bearer codex comes along.

Mit Gas
09-12-2011, 12:45
It warms my heart to read all the love each of us has for their legion. Ironically we got more loyalty than most loyalists for their armies. ;)

And to add to my Thousand sons forever - remark: I fell in love with the old rubric marine and before I even saw that with their fluff - especially back then, the Thousand Sons (at least Magnus) wasn't half as guilty as he was now and they were just real victims. That added so much to their appeal IMO. They're not cartoon-villains, they're tragic.

However, I also like a few other legions very much (Alpha Legion, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Night Lords,...) and will probably have a vanilla force next to my pure TS force. Possibly not for using but just to paint a squad of each of them.

Chaos Undecided
09-12-2011, 13:43
I have a Black legion warband but they've been inactive for quite a while partly due to the uninspiring last codex and also because I became quite disenchanted with painting Black Power Armour.

I've been playing Chaos armies of various sorts since their earliest incarnations so I'm waiting to see what they do with the new book and accompanying new models as to whether I field a 40k Chaos army again but I doubt it would be with my existing force. Not bothered about the power level of the ruleset but I'd rather they avoided abusable powers like siren/lash etc this time around.

09-12-2011, 13:51
Will always want to play my Emperor's Children army. Then again, I'm working on Death Guard and I intend to have Thousand Sons and World Eaters done by the end of 2012 so I should have all the bases covered. :)

09-12-2011, 14:45
When it comes to Chaos I either play Word Bearers or I don't play at all. If the rules for a Word Bearer army are subpar (like they are now), I just play my other armies until a viable Word Bearer codex comes along.

The really sad part is, aside from Black Legion, Word Bearers are probably the easiest to make with the current codex. Just the lack of defined Daemons are probably the biggest mark against it.

09-12-2011, 16:43
I will stay loyal to the teaching of the great Perturabo, I will never betray the 4th legion.