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Tayrod
08-03-2012, 09:29
Ok, so let assume a thief (let’s call him George Walker) breaks into your house and steal every single piece of Games Workshop – produced thing you own. After you’ve called the police, you phone the insurance company and they say “sure, we’ll replace your models with , no problem, how much were they worth?”

After receiving said cashdump, your wife walks in, frowns, and asks you “what are you going to do with that big pile of cash?”

Let me hear those answers!

3rd edit question: Would you buy what you had, or something new?


Edit: Dear mods, I know this is not strictly a Warhammer-only discussion, but it seems somewhat appropriate to post it here

Poncho160
08-03-2012, 09:36
I think the more pertinent question is how much my GW stuff is actually worth? Would it be worth just what I paid for it, or does all the time and effort I have put into painting them have a monetary value as well. Also I would love to see hoe much some of my old stuff is worth (WQ for example).

And to answer your question, Chaos Dwarfs and Traitor Guard would be what I would purchase.

DarthSte
08-03-2012, 09:41
How do you know the thief's name? I'd buy a cheap cricket bat and get my stuff back. Then probably a good legal team.

Tayrod
08-03-2012, 09:53
How do you know the thief's name? I'd buy a cheap cricket bat and get my stuff back. Then probably a good legal team.

You dont, I do, it's one of the perks of being the storyteller. (Also, it's a play on words, George Walker - GW)

Jind_Singh
08-03-2012, 09:55
I thought about this before - assume:

Retail price replacement - they don't take painting/hobby time into account
Ebay price for stuff that can't be replaced (But doubt they do that)
Some kind of proof we have such ludicrous collections


Well first off I'll be gutted as I have a few models that can't be replaced (easily!) like Space Hulk and limited edition magic cards for armies - so there will be no constellation.

Secondly I could go towards proving the collection thanks to pics/online posts

Thirdly I would still be gutted!

I would end up getting two 3000 point armies and with the extra money get them painted - as I wouldn't have the heart to start over! I would get my:

Goblins again
Empire again

But sadly they wouldn't get to 14,000pts and 6,000pts again.

I would also get:

All 8th ed books
All four fulcrums
Garden of Morr
Mansion kit (Never had that, always wanted it)
Bunch of monsters
Some Forgeworld monsters

I would save the rest of the cash for future projects!

DarthSte
08-03-2012, 09:59
You dont, I do, it's one of the perks of being the storyteller. (Also, it's a play on words, George Walker - GW)

Ah... fair enough! :)

In that case, I'd probably quit entirely and spend the 8K or so on a new (2nd hand) car and a new bathroom.

Far2Casual
08-03-2012, 10:42
First, I would be angry and sad. Because I would never get back the time and effort put into the models. The financial part isn't the hardest I'd say.

If it should happen, I would not stand to remake everything I've done. I would probably start a new army or even another game.

boli
08-03-2012, 11:05
The only numbers the insurrance company would understand is the retail cost that is *if* you insurred it anyways... at best it'll come under household insurance so you may be spending all that "free money" on other things... like a new TV or dishwasher rather than models. Since this is unique however chances are you'll get it back in the end; start browsing the ebay and you'll start to see your conversions/paintjobs appearing online; with luck you might even manage to get everything back if it wasn't split up.... they'll will be a nightmare to fence.

But lets say you managed to get retail money back from your entire army and it was the only thing stolen; well you've already answered your own question


After receiving said cashdump, your wife walks in, frowns, and asks you “what are you going to do with that big pile of cash?”

You're not gonna see a penny of it... its going towards a new holiday/something for the house or that "darling" dress she's had her eye on for months; if you reinvested all that money back into the hobby without treating her you're going to look forward to a few weeks/months on the couch.

But that is not the answer you're looking for; if I received all the money I got back in one lump sum after loosing all my previous armies I would prob start collecting again; but at a much slower pace.and correcting all the mistakes I made the first time... either with the same armies or another set.

yabbadabba
08-03-2012, 11:18
Would you buy what you had, or something new? With my collection there is a good chance I could cancel some country's national debt.

I couldn't replace it all, so it would be a major change in hobby philosophy for me.

DeathlessDraich
08-03-2012, 11:23
3rd edit question: Would you buy what you had, or something new?



A mixture of both - a good chance to get rid of unwanted models at the same time some old favs are irreplaceable.


I think the more pertinent question is how much my GW stuff is actually worth? Would it be worth just what I paid for it, or does all the time and effort I have put into painting them have a monetary value as well. Also I would love to see hoe much some of my old stuff is worth (WQ for example).




There's easy answer to this. A model's value is determined by market forces i.e. supply and demand. Some old models are highly prized while some are worthless.
Check ebay - that gives a good market valuation

Leogun_91
08-03-2012, 11:26
I guess I'd start a new army with exactly the stuff I want, probably for all three systems.

Tayrod
08-03-2012, 11:32
I think the more pertinent question is how much my GW stuff is actually worth? Would it be worth just what I paid for it, or does all the time and effort I have put into painting them have a monetary value as well. Also I would love to see hoe much some of my old stuff is worth (WQ for example).


There's easy answer to this. A model's value is determined by market forces i.e. supply and demand. Some old models are highly prized while some are worthless.
Check ebay - that gives a good market valuation

The funny thing about this however is that the amount of effort put into the model can actually diminish the value of the model (say for someone who would want to paint it themselves)

Corvus Corone
08-03-2012, 12:20
I ahve literally had nightmares about people stealing my tyranids. Dear god. That would really, really suck.

As for what I'd buy? I'd just keep going with my Vampire counts, and have to get around to getting back into 40k when they were done (not sure I could go through painting tyranids again with the loss of my old army... it'd just be painful. And painting that many termagants is already painful).

Korraz
08-03-2012, 13:07
Shrug. Move on.
The little connection I still have to GW is basically because of the stuff I have.
No, wait, scratch that. Be happy as a beaver in the forest, because god dammit, that's a loada cash I just earned (assuming I get it at GW's current prices.)
Then maybe buy another Malifaux crew.

Andy p
08-03-2012, 13:30
Id be boring and put it in the bank...or my matress, whichever is currently offering a better rate of interest.

Malorian
08-03-2012, 13:31
I would start something new.

In the end I would most likely return to my favorites, but in the beginnnig I would go with a new army.

IcedCrow
08-03-2012, 13:48
I would be done with the hobby at that point.

Denny
08-03-2012, 14:00
I would be done with the hobby at that point.

Ditto; the thought of starting from scratch is too horrible; it would take me about 15 years just to catch up with where I am now.
(I paint everything I own; no amount of money can replace the time I've put in)

Saying that, I might consider Necromunda again . . . and like a gateway drug that would probably eventually drag me back into 40K at least . . .

Mr. Smuckles
08-03-2012, 14:09
This actually happened to me (for the most part). I bought a boatload of board games and Malifaux stuff instead of replacing the GW stuff. The wife appreciates it because there's not an ungodly amount of plastic minis everywhere.

Brotheroracle
08-03-2012, 14:12
I would take the cash and consolidate it into two forge world armies, it would be like I distilled my armies into fine whiskey. Oh and I would buy a bunch of fine whiskey, because whiskey is a commodity who's price always goes up and thus is always a wise investment.

(Seriously whiskey is the safest thing you can invest in.)

T10
08-03-2012, 14:31
If somebody stole all my GW stuff I could finally get out of the hobby!

-T10

Malorian
08-03-2012, 14:38
If somebody stole all my GW stuff I could finally get out of the hobby!

-T10

Shhhh!

Don't let your wife hear you!

Disposable Hero
08-03-2012, 14:52
I would moand and ****** for a while.

Then get on the horn to FW pronto to replace my Krieg, and order more.

And traitor renegades.

loveless
08-03-2012, 14:57
I'd probably end up buying a bunch of Privateer stuff and skim the GW down to just a couple of projects...of course, there are about 7 GW armies I enjoy...er, I'd have to sit down and make sure I focused before spending all that cash *nod*

Eh, what am I saying, I'd probably end up using it to pay off a debt and call it good.

Tayrod
08-03-2012, 15:13
I would start something new.

In the end I would most likely return to my favorites, but in the beginnnig I would go with a new army.

Your youtube video (orc tactical team) about someone stealing your camera was actually the inspiration for this thread

Gorbad Ironclaw
08-03-2012, 16:04
I'm pretty much already done with the GW side of things so if I could just transform all my GW stuff into money with little hassle it wouldn't be a bad idea really. GW armies are too much time, too much effort and too much money to build these days. I might get a couple of BB teams that that would be it. Aside from that there are minor issues like a house, a wedding, etc. that all needs money so I'd rather spend it on those things than buy myself months of work.

BigbyWolf
08-03-2012, 16:29
There's nothing theorectical about this, it happened to me around the dawn of 7th edition. Me and a few friends kept our armies locked up in another friends garage (it doubled as a gaming area at the time), until someone broke in one day, took his car, his tools, and pretty much all the models too.

Left me with nothing but some very old (late 80's- early 90's models, and my Chaos Dwarfs) armies...barely 2K points of Greenskins and Chaos.

I lost Empire, High Elves, OnG, DoW and Chaos, as well as a bit of 40K.

It was all covered in the insurance, and I chose to invest the money elsewhere, then rebuild slowly...there's no point rushing straight out and investing in billions of points of models in one go...take your time, rebuild, perhaps even try something new...

Urgat
08-03-2012, 17:01
If that happened, I guess it'd be game over for me. I couldn't repaint all that from scratch.

Tayrod
08-03-2012, 18:05
It was all covered in the insurance, and I chose to invest the money elsewhere, then rebuild slowly...there's no point rushing straight out and investing in billions of points of models in one go...take your time, rebuild, perhaps even try something new...

Can I ask how much they gave you?

RanaldLoec
08-03-2012, 18:18
Ah... fair enough! :)

In that case, I'd probably quit entirely and spend the 8K or so on a new (2nd hand) car and a new bathroom.

Well assuming the burglar took just my models that would be 12,000 of empire 15,000 warriors of chaos and 8000 points of woodelves........

I would be buying 20,000 points of empire and 15,000 points of Warriors of chaos.

I certainly wouldn't buy a car. At least home insurance pays the original value of my models a car just has horrible depreciation.

I'm 30 but I could never just pack in the hobby.

thesheriff
08-03-2012, 18:26
This is interesting. What id probably do is buy the following;

*A 3k fanatsy army
*A 2k 40k army
*A Small Lotr SBGforce (400pts ish)
*A 50pt Warmachine force
*A Malifaux crew (35pts ish)
*A Gothic fleet
*A Blood bowl team (complete with extras and cheerleaders)
*A Necromunda gang

Basicallly, id buy one of every gamesystem i could applicably ever play (ommiting non-gw ones like Malifaux and warmachine, im kind of including them under the sam bracket, unless someone walked into my house, went into all the plastic boxes of stuff i have, and picked out all the Malifaux and Warmachine!)

And spend the rest on whatever I want thats NOT hobby related.

thesheriff

Petey
08-03-2012, 18:30
Id be boring and put it in the bank...or my matress, whichever is currently offering a better rate of interest.

You're better off with neither. As neither will actually keep up with inflation you should either invest it (please send PM if you need a finanicial guy) or buy more GW figs, many of which will appreciate in value (unlike you mattress moneys)

Sexiest_hero
08-03-2012, 18:44
I would get a hit man/detective.

redfury
08-03-2012, 18:53
I'd pick one army. Buy the battalion,book,heroes and a few other things to complete the list I normally use. Then I'd use the rest of the money for other stuff not related to the hobby

thesheriff
08-03-2012, 19:28
You're better off with neither. As neither will actually keep up with inflation you should either invest it (please send PM if you need a finanicial guy) or buy more GW figs, many of which will appreciate in value (unlike you mattress moneys)
What if he buys an inflatable matress? Surley that woudl keep up with inflation quite well?

Petey
08-03-2012, 19:54
What if he buys an inflatable matress? Surley that woudl keep up with inflation quite well?

lmao. nah it has a limit to how much you can inflate it... unlike our economy

Balerion
08-03-2012, 19:55
It'd be a clean break for me. I already play most of the armies I'm interested in, so I wouldn't have an easy fall-back "dream" army that I'd be excited to start up. And I can't think of anything more depressing and futile than trying to recreate the same army you lost (trying to mimic paintjobs from memory, trying to recreate inspired conversions, etc.) so I'd just throw in the towel and cease my affiliation with the GW games.


or buy more GW figs, many of which will appreciate in value (unlike you mattress moneys)
I'm afraid that's probably not true anymore (if it ever was), with the prevalence of plastic kits and now Finecast.

Duke Ramulots
08-03-2012, 19:59
First: Why would my cousin steal from you...lol Yeah, his name is George Walker.

Second: I lost all my stuff in a fire in 2005 and had to start over, it took some time as every model I painted felt like a chore and it took some years to get even a small force completed. So I would imagine if my stuff were stolen it would feel simmilar.

abdulaapocolyps
08-03-2012, 21:09
I'm surprised at how many people would just pack it in.its interesting.
Id be heartbroken to lose my chaos lord as he's a conversion made out of a very rare mini.
I'd also be upset to lose my 100% maraurder dwarf army too.I'd hate to imagine how much that would cost on eBay,mini for mini.
I would also start again though.I'm planning an empire army so would go that way and get a lot more terrain.eventually I'd go back to dwarfs,they are my first love,but oddly don't know if id bother with warriors of chaos so much...

sholcomb
09-03-2012, 08:45
Considering I have 7 armies, all of which are at least 7-10k points and well painted/converted, I would probably put it towards a down payment on a rental house and start slowly building up my Chaos Dwarfs again. My insurance would cover it for the estimated value including the paint job (I asked). I also have pictures in a fire box (and online) to verify my belongings.

It would be bitter-sweet. On one hand, it would suck to lose fifteen years of hard work. But on the other hand, it would be a lot of money to take advantage of the housing market, and I would have fun rebuilding all my armies again.

wizbix
09-03-2012, 09:35
I think I might cheer myself up with a bunch of prostitutes to be honest.

mindrazor
09-03-2012, 09:40
Since i got all my warhammer 50% off, i would actually make money, so I would probably just focus all my money, in one HUGE chaos army!

Spider-pope
09-03-2012, 09:48
This has sort of happened to me for real. I had my gaming case stolen a decade or so ago, which contained all but a handful of my miniatures - i was a teenager and poor, i only had my Chaos Dwarf army. The Police response when i reported it was less than stellar, pretty much taking the attitude that it was just a "box of toys".

So without an insurance payout, i started again from scratch. So in the proposed scenario i'd likely do the same, albeit a lot easier with the whole massive insurance payout.

Hicks
09-03-2012, 16:47
Buying it all again would be really hard. I have two armies, Death Guard and Lizardmen that I built using all OOP miniatures, after they went OOP. So tracking down a similar force again would be a lot of trouble. I ain't even finished yet on the lizardmen (someone help me getting metal skinks, Gaaaaawdhhgrgg!!).

With the money I would definitely buy stuff again, but I would cut down on the size of my collection. I would probably just get one 40K army, one WHFB army and one necromunda gang... to start with.

Petey
09-03-2012, 20:01
I'm afraid that's probably not true anymore (if it ever was), with the prevalence of plastic kits and now Finecast.

I should have added the caveat Painted, Limited edition, etc

Fubar
09-03-2012, 20:39
Easy, Id pay off my mortgage, and all my debts and go on holiday for a few weeks.

Blackwolf
09-03-2012, 22:15
1. Buy House (pay cash)
2. Buy Rental House (pay cash)
3. Live off the income from rental house and slowly build up the obscene collection.

WarmbloodedLizard
09-03-2012, 22:23
At the moment I'd probably spend 10-20% on Warmachine and the rest on living expenses.

Leogun_91
10-03-2012, 00:21
1. Buy House (pay cash)
2. Buy Rental House (pay cash)
3. Live off the income from rental house and slowly build up the obscene collection.Even if you could afford two houses that wouldn't be enough to both live on and slowly build up your collection. Look at what you pay in rent. That should now be enough for food, taxes, standard bills (electricity, water etc) and all other essentials like dental care. Then it's supposed to be enough to pay for reparations on two houses.

brother_maynard
10-03-2012, 02:40
(Seriously whiskey is the safest thing you can invest in.)
hmmm, whiskey is safe but i think 6th ed daemonettes might literally be the best thing ever to invest in. i look at the 50 that i own and see my retirement.

DarkMark
10-03-2012, 08:46
Quite an interesting topic this. Firstly you'll need to check your hobby collection is actually covered, if its not you should consider changing or buying a specialist policy. Check the small print, small print, small print! Now you know you're covered get a buying new valution for the collection. Its very likely that you won't be able to rebuy those OPP treasures, so just put a best guess value on them. With the evalution done you need to prove you have the actual models. Reciepts are great, but photos would probably be ok too, again check that small print!

Insurance companies hate paying up, and with the tuff economic conditions 'insurance jobs' are common. Honestly if you've got a lot to loose get yourself covered.

If I had a windfall it'll go straight back on models I reckon:D

zak
10-03-2012, 11:32
I certainly wouldn't quit. That would mean the thief robbing me not only of my models, but my hobby. Hell no. I'd start slowly at first and then like now buy stuff and hide it cupboards hoping the wife doesn't find it and realise it's new.

Lord_Byron
11-03-2012, 08:46
I'm with Jind_Singh on this one. I'd pick one reasonably sized army per system and pay someone to paint them for me. Probably Sigur. There's no way I could talk myself into painting another whole army or two again.

Georgebob
12-03-2012, 12:06
Id probably rebuy models from ebay and send them off to someone to paint with the rest of the money. I hate assembling/painting but I love to play so this would work out for me.

snyggejygge
12-03-2012, 14:54
I would buy & paint just a few models to be able to play some warhammer skirmish & get to paint a few very cool models, the rest would be spent on something I would need more.
I have played this game since 93, so now I never buy anything new unless it's a really cool model & the armybooks for armies I play ofc, I have over 30 000 points of unpainted models as it is (collector's syndrome)