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Aeron
18-03-2012, 08:40
So does anybody have some information on what determines if or rather WHEN a model will recieve the Finecast treatment??

Is it the popularity of the model a factor - i.e. something sells well so that model in fincase will sell well = higher profit margin = more profit altogether!!

That would be my thinking but maybe it is the reverse... a model with a lackluster sales peformance is finecasted to help increase sales because of all the plus points of fincast...in GWs head.?

Is it the popularity of the army as a whole??

I got to thinking this when I saw some of the weird fantasy finecasts - finecast lizardmen lords (who look 95% identical to the core saurus:wtf:) but no finecast Kroxigor models, no dark elf specials in finecast (I thought blackguard were awsome - how come no finecast?)

Finecast tyranid Pyrovore thing - I mean according to most, tyranids are not the most popular choice of army and reading in the tyranid forums the pyrovore is one of the most unpopular choices in an unpopular army (i'm not dissin 'nids here - I collect them myself:))

On the opposite we have the Lizardmen Slann who MUST be an essential for most new lizardmen players as personally her epitomises the lizardmen for me and he is quite unique in his look....basically a lord who looks and acts nothing like his troops (you know how most lords are basically the basic unit x10, dwarf lord is a better dwarf, human lord is a better human, black orc is just a super orc etc.) Plus he is just an awsome model ;) Yet the thunderfire cannon is finecasted....:shifty:

Deep down I suspect someone throws darts at a wall full of metal units/model pictures at GW HQ and the unit it lands on is fincasted :p

...I mean why fincast the Tyranid Hivetyrant and release a plastic version months later...surely it was already decided/planned/even designed that there would be a plastic version on the horizon :confused:

...Help me out fellow Warseerites...

Many thanks.

Nate.

Hendarion
18-03-2012, 08:50
I guess it is pretty simple. GW has some remaining stock of ranges that sold rather medium and when these stocks start to deplete, the things go into Finecast. The regular selling ones changed right at the start.

winterdyne
18-03-2012, 10:57
The process between sculpts (for metal/resin 2 part mould casting) and getting them packaged for distribution is really pretty quick. A few months of sales of a core unit like an HT, where the sculpt had already been done and metal (ie harder rubber) moulds worked out would most likely recoup the cost of mould making and doing a production run fairly quickly, especially with the wider profit margin from a reduced cost material.

I doubt any model gets to the shelves without a profit / loss assessment being made on it.

Archibald_TK
18-03-2012, 11:54
Quite frankly you've asked a question that probably not a single poster on Warseer have a real answer to. This thread will very soon be full of people trying to pass their hypothesis as a fact.

shelfunit.
18-03-2012, 12:28
To guess I would say they have stopped buying metal at their bulk prices and so will only use it for already expensive low selling lines (ie specialist games) and have a gap in the supply that didn't get them through to the plastic release. They needed to switch to FC as there was demand for the product but no supply, and it would be fairly quick/cheap tomake a new mould for something like the Hive tyrant to tide them over until the plastic kit came out.

Spiney Norman
18-03-2012, 14:05
I guess they will be running down their stocks of metals until they are gone, then I suppose they will keep running any currently operating metal molds until the end of their life, then instead of commissioning a new metal mold they move production to the far more profitable finecast.

Putting a model into production as finecast when you have a metal mold with a life span of a year or more left to run seems like incurring unnecessary setup costs to me. Having said that I don't really know what the operational life of a metal mold is.

Autumn Leaves
18-03-2012, 14:19
I'm expecting Teutogen guard and Gryphon Knights to be on the list soon.
Resin is very cheap to cast compared to metal.
GW will be making a killing on the finecast as it is and thats why they don't care about the casting issues.
Just "Give them a new one and keep them happy"
They'll buy more and the profit margin is over a 1000%

deadly claris
18-03-2012, 14:20
I guess they will be running down their stocks of metals until they are gone, then I suppose they will keep running any currently operating metal molds until the end of their life, then instead of commissioning a new metal mold they move production to the far more profitable finecast.

Putting a model into production as finecast when you have a metal mold with a life span of a year or more left to run seems like incurring unnecessary setup costs to me. Having said that I don't really know what the operational life of a metal mold is.

Well in that case we will se a finecast sanguinor in 13 years :S

The bearded one
18-03-2012, 17:32
On the opposite we have the Lizardmen Slann who MUST be an essential for most new lizardmen players as personally her epitomises the lizardmen for me and he is quite unique in his look....basically a lord who looks and acts nothing like his troops (you know how most lords are basically the basic unit x10, dwarf lord is a better dwarf, human lord is a better human, black orc is just a super orc etc.) Plus he is just an awsome model ;) Yet the thunderfire cannon is finecasted....:shifty:

I want my damn finecast slann!!!! :cries:

selfconstrukt
19-03-2012, 01:38
Having said that I don't really know what the operational life of a metal mold is.

Could be as short as an hour or as long as 20+ years depending on the part and how the casters treat the molds.


Quite frankly you've asked a question that probably not a single poster on Warseer have a real answer to. This thread will very soon be full of people trying to pass their hypothesis as a fact.

True, but some of us know people currently at GW or who used to work for GW in manufacturing who can give us a pretty good idea. :D


GW will be making a killing on the finecast as it is and thats why they don't care about the casting issues.
Just "Give them a new one and keep them happy" They'll buy more and the profit margin is over a 1000%

Depends on who you talk to. Many at GW do care about the casting issues, it's a point of pride in their work. Others at GW don't care because their job is numbers, sales figures come first, then customer service issues.