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Dreadlordpaul
22-03-2012, 08:13
hey guys, i want to do a leadership bomb army but i wanted to know if they are seen as cheesy first. The list looks like this
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Sorceror Lord level 4 death with spell familiar talisman of presevation enchanted shield 345 points

Sorcorer level 2 death puppet third eye

Exalted Shield bsb doom totem

18x chaos warriors shields full command standard of discipline (level 4 and bsb here)

20x chaos marauders LA shields FC

10x marauders (level 2 here)

5x horse men

5x horse men

5x horse men

5x chaos knights

hell cannon

hell cannon

Morax
22-03-2012, 12:11
Well Paul, first I don't find leadership bomb armies cheesy. Its just one way to play. Some armies can do it and some can't. Even then there are some armies that will see you leadership bomb tactic comming and shrug as you panic one of their 14-18 units and then shoot the crap out of you. Its nice, just not always game winning. On to the list...

You are going to need clean-up crews. In your current list you have one, the knights, and I'm assuming the horsemen are there to chase fleeing enemy units. The problem with that is dogs do that just as well at a much lower price and niether of them can take on a unit's remnants if it rallies and comes charging across the table. A second unit of warriors, this one armed with halberds, would do you a world of good here. The knights can redress to face fast moving targets while the halberd warriors can take something on the other flank. The anvil warriors then handle centerline and so everyone, on your side of the table at least, is happy.

Dreadlordpaul
22-03-2012, 15:52
i have like 6 more chaos warriors w is why i only took 1 unit of CW. the horsemen go warmachine hunting fast cav hunting mage hunting etc they can also serve well as bait and redirectors

bluemage
23-03-2012, 00:38
Some people will find it unpleasant to play against mostly because if it works as intended you sort of know who the winner of the game will be, before it even starts. VC, TK, and Demons will just steamroll this list as you can't panic them off the board. Other armies dependent on leadership will just run of the board. I don't see this making for an interesting game.

SouthlandLizardman
23-03-2012, 02:12
I've never had my Temple Guard ever fail a leadership test, and even LD bomb lists have yet to make them fail. I have faced many HARD WoC lists and to me this one looks a little soft.

Dreadlordpaul
23-03-2012, 08:15
The purpose behind this list is that someone i regulary play against fields the chosen star and so the idea behind this list is that i keep forcing him to take panic tests at the very minimum of -3 to his leadership. I am also considering taking my teclis list against him and just killing him through the magic phase

Sexiest_hero
23-03-2012, 18:06
It was in 7th Not in 8th.

tmarichards
23-03-2012, 18:12
They're a little bit too all-in for my liking, you end up investing a lot of points into it and hoping it works. Given how reliable ld test are in the current meta-game (Disicpline buffed Generals and the prevalence of BSBs), it could still work but it certainly wouldn't be cheesy in my opinion.

SanDiegoSurrealist
23-03-2012, 20:17
I did a (mostly) Slannesh DoC list like this but it all has to go just right for it to work.

-2 LD Banner
-1d3 LD The Masque
Doom and Darkness
Phantasmagoria – Reverse Cold Blooded (roll 3d6 discard lowest)

When it does work it goes great but if you lose any part and it all starts to go to hell.
And it is just not that fun to play.

Dreadlordpaul
23-03-2012, 20:19
I do like the look of a LD bomb daemon army

SanDiegoSurrealist
23-03-2012, 20:43
I did too LD Bomb was why I built this army in the first place, but like I said it really is a 1 trick pony, no fun for pick-up games or league play.
I will probably break it out at the next RT just to see how it does in a more competitive atmosphere.

Dreadlordpaul
23-03-2012, 20:51
I did too LD Bomb was why I built this army in the first place, but like I said it really is a 1 trick pony, no fun for pick-up games or league play.
I will probably break it out at the next RT just to see how it does in a more competitive atmosphere.

tbf i either use my teclis list or my WoC LD bomb army against the guy i regulary play against as he takes the chosen star

Lord Inquisitor
23-03-2012, 20:57
They can be cheesy depending on how good the rest of the list is made but they run more of a risk of being just annoying. A lot of fun to play, another matter to take whole units off because they panic off the board. There's a big feeling of helplessness playing against a good Ld bomb.

BigbyWolf
24-03-2012, 18:11
hey guys, i want to do a leadership bomb army but i wanted to know if they are seen as cheesy first. The list looks like this
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Sorceror Lord level 4 death with spell familiar talisman of presevation enchanted shield 345 points

Sorcorer level 2 death puppet third eye

Exalted Shield bsb doom totem

18x chaos warriors shields full command standard of discipline (level 4 and bsb here)

20x chaos marauders LA shields FC

10x marauders (level 2 here)

5x horse men

5x horse men

5x horse men

5x chaos knights

hell cannon

hell cannon

Have you not found that the Marauders die pretty quickly in this list (both units)?

I'd honestly think you would need more "punch" in the army, one unit of Warriors and a unit of Knights will only go so far.

On average, how often do you win with this list?

Dreadlordpaul
24-03-2012, 18:25
Have you not found that the Marauders die pretty quickly in this list (both units)?

I'd honestly think you would need more "punch" in the army, one unit of Warriors and a unit of Knights will only go so far.

On average, how often do you win with this list?

I have not used it yet its something im considering.

Thalenchar
24-03-2012, 18:33
nah, not cheesy at all, especially when you use it vs a regular opponent. Havenīt done the points, but might you change the horsemen to more units of hounds instead? They can still escort units off the table and you'll have more units to block with, etc.

Dreadlordpaul
24-03-2012, 18:54
I sadly dont own enough hounds to replace all the horsemen :(

Thalenchar
24-03-2012, 19:18
I sadly dont own enough hounds to replace all the horsemen :(

Ah, well, that settles that then :p

Dreadlordpaul
24-03-2012, 19:34
Ah, well, that settles that then :p

yep it does :p

SlaaneshSlave
24-03-2012, 23:57
Ld bomb is fine. Masque is what really takes fun away from your opponent. So, short of her, I think you are fine.

In my experience it wasn't about making units panic. It was winning by just 1-2. This with -5 Ld meant bad things even for demons.