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Dreadknight1994
05-07-2012, 10:59
So who do you guys want to get their new codex first. I want csm to as 1 im sick of imperial codexs getting a update first and i also want the chaos marine dex to make GK poop themselves. So what are you peoples opinions

Athlan na Dyr
05-07-2012, 11:05
I think your reasoning is appalling and hope that 6th ed 40k follows 8th ed fantasy trend in terms of balance.

Bit of a moot point really, this (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?329951-Codex-Chaos-Legions-rumours&p=6030381&viewfull=1#post6030381) should give you a bit more information on whats coming out next

Dreadknight1994
05-07-2012, 11:17
Yeah and i also play fantasy. i had a vc army which got ruined when the new book came out.

Hulkster
05-07-2012, 11:18
To be fair it does not matter what we think. GW will release what they think is best.

It looks like CSM are getting the first book in August, but we will not know for certain until the pre-orders are up.

As for your reasoning, it is pretty poor at best.

The reason most editions start with Codex: Space Marines is that they are by far the best seller in GW as a whole. I think at one point, though it may still be the case now, the Space marine line sold more than the entire WHFB line.

Hulkster
05-07-2012, 11:20
Yeah and i also play fantasy. i had a vc army which got ruined when the new book came out.

Why was your VC army ruined? Was it designed to play in a certain way that got changed with the new book? if so that's what happens when a new books comes out.

Don't be surprised to see it happen with CSM as well.

RandomThoughts
05-07-2012, 11:24
I think Eldar should come first... :shifty:

Wesser
05-07-2012, 11:26
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Black Templars and Space Wolves....the whole she-bang of them belongs in the appendix of Codex: Space Marines.

Delaying proper armies to churn various space marines is by no means justified. 2 space marine codexes is more than enough. Burn the the rest

Dreadknight1994
05-07-2012, 11:34
the reason my vc army got ruined is many. For example my vamp lord and his buddy mr vampire used to take the lore master power and that was backed up by 2 necros with van hels and invo. Also as long as i can either give my units either a icon or mark of tzeench, then my army wont be ruined.

Hulkster
05-07-2012, 11:35
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Black Templars and Space Wolves....the whole she-bang of them belongs in the appendix of Codex: Space Marines.

Delaying proper armies to churn various space marines is by no means justified. 2 space marine codexes is more than enough. Burn the the rest

I dont disagree, and I am a multi codex Space Marine player. I am just explaining GW reasons. I personally think there just be one book, but GW make more money the other way so they will do it that way.


the reason my vc army got ruined is many. For example my vamp lord and his buddy mr vampire used to take the lore master power and that was backed up by 2 necros with van hels and invo. Also as long as i can either give my units either a icon or mark of tzeench, then my army wont be ruined.

thats not really a reason, you just cannot play it the same way you did before. Now you have to plan and think about it. Changes like this happen all the time.

As I said before this may well happen with the new CSM codex as well

Dreadknight1994
05-07-2012, 11:41
i cant play it the same way anymore as the vampire lords the general he has to use the crap Vampire lore.

Athlan na Dyr
05-07-2012, 11:59
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Black Templars and Space Wolves....the whole she-bang of them belongs in the appendix of Codex: Space Marines.

Delaying proper armies to churn various space marines is by no means justified. 2 space marine codexes is more than enough. Burn the the rest
Well, as a Xenos player I'm not going to be opposed to the idea, but GW has been doing some differentiation between them since codex: SM what with stormraven's being BA only, unique units and so on.
Of course if they folded Sisters and GK into one combined Codex: Inquisition with the inquisitors being the main focus, added a good Chapter traits system to Codex Space Marines and folded BT into there, then released Codex: Mechanicum I'd be jumping over the moon.
Somehow I doubt that would be all that popular however.


i cant play it the same way anymore as the vampire lords the general he has to use the crap Vampire lore.
Whilst Fantasy discussion should stay in the Fantasy section, if you find the Vampire Lore crap I have some bad news for you.
It has murderously effective combat buffs, one of which also happens to be the best movement spell in the entire god-damn game. Said spell even has a bubble version that can be cast on a measly 12+.
Furthermore it has good AOE raising and two good ranged damage spells. That said, the 6th spell is pants and I've never found a way to make raise dead work myself.
The sole thing that the Lore of Vampires can't do is delete half a unit from the board. Yet another point in its favour to me.

And finally, it is literally changing Lore selection. The F does that 'ruin' the army :wtf:
To me Phil Kelly did a fantastic job in making Vampires characterful, Internally Balanced and Externally balanced.

titilititi
05-07-2012, 12:27
CSM should have their codex first... Because Dark Angels shouldn't have a separated codex !
If sometimes you can explain the costs differences by the chapters specialisations, after ten years or more, some of the SpaM codices are totally outdateted (ok ok, it's true that it's the Dark Angels' case).
And GW is gonna make the same mistake (ok, it's not a mistake for GW as they're selling those useless books from my point) again and again.
What is sad is that, because of that, some entire races of the game are at the same point or worse than Dark Angels.
So, to me the two first codices should be Vanilla SpaM, including DA, & then CSM.

radical ed
05-07-2012, 12:57
Chaos Marines. simply due to the new starter set. If it has cultists in it, then there are no codex rules for them, untill the new CSM codex hits. DA dont/wont have any models without rules.

And the DA codex isnt too bad. MAybe the green side of it is a little underpowered, but DW and RW are still very competitive.

Zabousta
05-07-2012, 13:25
Tau..........

Sir_Turalyon
05-07-2012, 17:00
Both, being elegant codices from times of more civilised design philosophy, are in equal need of replacement. I'd say CSM should go first, because the numerous buffs that DA have recieved in 6th (in terms of rules and allies) will make them interesting to play for few more months.

Tamwulf
05-07-2012, 17:48
I hope CSM comes out first. GW destroys all armies that are released first in a new edition.

This way, the overwhelming cries of despair will reach even the Ivory Tower of GW and they may actually change/buff the Dark Angels before they are released.

loveless
05-07-2012, 17:53
Release them at the same time, says this guy.

I know that won't happen though, so CSM first (not even looking from a rules perspective - they could just use more plastic kits than DA). DA are sure to follow soon due to the starter box contents.

Eldar and Tau could both use some Flyers/decent Skyfire, so at the least I'd like to see some additional models/units slotted in for them.

derfolicious
05-07-2012, 18:10
Dark Angels, their codex is older than Chaos Space Marine.

Askari
05-07-2012, 20:31
CSM.

Not just because I play them, but there's far more CSM players than Dark Angels players. I don't think that's even close, therefore make more people happy, earlier, by releasing CSM.

Assumption in the above: That the next Codex: CSM is indeed better.

Dangersaurus
05-07-2012, 20:42
My crazy theory: CSM in August. DA in September exclusively in a limited edition starter set. Digital-only version of the codex to follow around Christmas.

Dangersaurus
05-07-2012, 20:43
My crazy theory: CSM hardcover codex in August. DA floppy codex in September exclusively in a limited edition version of the starter set. Digital-only version of the codex to follow around Christmas.

Charistoph
05-07-2012, 20:59
Between 6th Starter Set(s), Warriors of Chaos, and the Hobbit to squeeze in by American Thanksgiving, there's only going to be one codex this year, at best.

And as much as I would love new toys for my Cursed Marines, Black Templar, Sisters, and Tau should beat the spikey and the angsty boys out the gate due to their age and incompatibility with the current systems in place.

After that, Chaos Marines have gotten nothing but the shaft with this codex. At least Dark Angels had their gear Errata'd to act like the rest of the SpaM's gear, and have some great bonuses from it. Only thing we got is that Nurgle Bikers are tougher than many Monstrous Creatures now.

TrangleC
05-07-2012, 21:27
Since the question is about "should", I'd say CSM should get it first. First of all from all I know there will be no DA units in the starter set that don't have rules in the current DA codex, unlike the Chaos Cultists and secondly I never met anybody who exclusively played DA or any other Marine chapter for that matter. All I met were people who had a DA codex and sometimes played their generic Space Marine models as DA, like they sometimes played them as Blood Angels or Black Templars.
That is why I have less pity for the DA players for not getting a new codex sooner than for the CSM players, because there actually are exclusive CSM players in my experience.

It is strange. You always read so many forum comments from all those seemingly very fluff enthusiastic and gung-ho Space Marine Special Chapter players, but where are all those guys on the battlefields when their beloved chapter has a old, crappy codex? Where were all those Space Wolves and Grey Knight players who of course only play those factions for their fluff before they got their new codices? For people who love their armies as much as they often profess online, they seem to be rather quick to shelf them till they are at the top of the power level chart again.
That makes all the special attention and love they get from GW even more annoying to people who stick to their nerfed, old Xeno factions in hard times too.

Vaktathi
05-07-2012, 21:32
DA got sort of a mini-update with the changes to stormshields, PotMS, etc, and that really did revitalize them quite a bit. Personally I'd have them redo CSM's first because of that, had that not happened I'd say redo DA first (though truth be told I'd really rather they just throw 3 or 4 DA characters into C:SM given that all the army really has to offer is FoC swaps), but having a rather significant update to one of their signature lists makes them much more viable for a while than CSM's I think. The age difference between the two I feel is largely irrelevant, it was 5 or 6 months I think.

owen matthew
05-07-2012, 21:34
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Black Templars and Space Wolves....the whole she-bang of them belongs in the appendix of Codex: Space Marines.

Delaying proper armies to churn various space marines is by no means justified. 2 space marine codexes is more than enough. Burn the the rest

WORD.

@OP, CSM, please.

Private_SeeD
05-07-2012, 21:52
Take this with a truck load of salt but I had heard rumours that there were plans afoot to release both Codex's at the same time.


Sent from my Omni tool via the Sol System Mass Relay

Charistoph
05-07-2012, 22:43
That would be a first for codecies since 3rd, but not for GW who released Warriors of Chaos and Fantasy Daemons at the same time, if I remember right. It could be a smart move, as most of their cutomers would fall into one camp or the other (or whine that ANOTHER set PA/Marine/Imperial codecies has been released).

Vaktathi
05-07-2012, 22:45
Fantasy Daemons came out IIRC the same time as 40k daemons, may-ish 2008, Warriors of Chaos came in November that year.